Letter to Spacetime Games

[Zylx]

Hello Spacetime,

First off, i'd like to praise you on some of your most brilliant decisions you have made in the past. Arcane Legends was your official flagship success in the gaming industry, acheiving many awards and world-recognition for your developing company. Pocket Legends was your baby, as it developed a loyal fanbase for your company to branch off into your other mmorpgs, making them even more successful.

Your Legends titles have earned you a fantastic community of loyal gamers, mmo enthusiasts, and socialites alike. Many players have gained life-long relationships thanks to you. You had created euphoric escapes from the real world with exciting gameplay, stunning playability, and virtual playgrounds full of fun interactions with incredible hospitality from your friendly staff.

Arcane Legends, as i stated before, is your most exemplary game to date. When this title was released, your graphics amazed a lot of your loyal fans as well as attracted a larger player-base. Everything was new and exciting for several months after its release. After a while, the game grew a little dull, and what did you do? You created the Tarlok winter event to drive things back up again. Your players had so much fun. Players were free to participate as much as they wished, gaining great, top-notch gear. Best of all, it was completely FREE.

Now, for the serious stuff...

Pocket Legends was your original money-maker, your first-born child, and your oldest wine in the cabinet. Players were so enthusiastic about the game, spending hundreds if not thousands supporting your company for the growth of the game for years to come. After three years however, you shrugged them off. You created two other titles as well, attracting other fanbases from sci-fi geeks to blood-loving freaks. All for one game. Yes, Arcane Legends.

I myself am a strong supporter for your company and desire nothing more for your company as well as the community to thrive and become a populous of happy players. You need to wake up! Listen to your players! They know what they want, and most of them want to see something new! Halt the expansions and content for awhile and listen to us!

The purpose behind this message was not to bash your company, but to provide constructive criticism on what seems obvious to your players. If you keep going down this same, straight road, i'm not sure if AL will last another year or two. Please take this into consideration and have your planning department stop and think "let's see what YOU GUYS (the players) want".

Other threads depicting players' thoughts about your current company standing:

http://www.spacetimestudios.com/showthread.php?t=177698

http://www.spacetimestudios.com/showthread.php?t=177682

http://www.spacetimestudios.com/showthread.php?t=174625

[Anarchist]

What can rly draw people back? And also new players?
Al is just like a old guild with a huge quantity of members and nearly noone online, it needs first a cool event to draw back the old guys then a revision that can draw in new players and keep the old ones active. IMHO.

There are hundreds of suggestions the options are limitless.

[Limsi]

Thankfully somebody has to say this. I'm already prepared for their next title and the ones that come after that. It's hard to commit knowing how the cycle seems to make sense.

[Zylx]

What can rly draw people back? And also new players?
Al is just like a old guild with a huge quantity of members and nearly noone online, it needs first a cool event to draw back the old guys then a revision that can draw in new players and keep the old ones active. IMHO.

There are hundreds of suggestions the options are limitless.
Yes, it needs something new and exciting like Tarlok was at its time. Like how some of the older players returned to PL for a bit when their mini-cap was released.

Thankfully somebody has to say this. I'm already prepared for their next title and the ones that come after that. It's hard to commit knowing how the cycle seems to make sense.
That's the sad truth. History tends to repeat itself and with STS frequently throwing around new games like this, it's hard to predict how far one of them will go and whether or not it's worth it to spend the time and money on the game.

[Kakashis]

I'm still on board in AL, but at the same time am waiting for events / updates. The arena was by far the worst update yet!

Tarlok was the most fun community wise when portals weren't nerf'd.

Ursoth's event was awesome in that it gave you dova bears and locked crate crafting even when you don't try for leaderboard.

Overall the game I think is still doing fine for the poorer to middle class. The elite rich will always find it hard to stay interested as they already have everything!

[Chrisaetoshawker]

Still wondering what sts is planning to do...
Another new game? Lol

[Chrisaetoshawker]

I like PL more due to the farm system there but AL has better graphic and it's not old...
AL + PL = PERFECT

[Helicopter]

I want to see toons climb stairs. That's what I want. :)

[drawfflerz]

Maybe, There were too much gap between plat user and non plat user, rich people and poor people.

[Titanium]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=937hvZsr6s0

4:40

[Anarchist]

Game is gonna get better i am sure! They working, they working behind the curtains.

[Zylx]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=937hvZsr6s0

4:40

This thread isn't meant to insult Spacetime. Just to provide my views on how well they currently run the game. I love STS. But seeing so many good players leave in the last few months, there is definitely something missing.

[Zylx]

Game is gonna get better i am sure! They working, they working behind the curtains.

Offtopic:
Darm....Remiem.....is hawt.

Lol xD

[supersyan]

Great content requires time. Let them do their job

[Samhayne]

Hey gang,

We have a ton of stuff in work for you. Soon I will be posting the October Producer's Letter that will detail what's happening. If you haven't read previous updates, check out September at: http://www.spacetimestudios.com/showthread.php?173469-September-Producer-Letter-Planar-Update-amp-Next-Client

The fact of the matter is that everything goes through cycles. Right now the Planar Arena is missing its other half and some great end game farming and action with the Planar Tombs. Also, back to school is typically a slower time for online gaming as many players find the have less disposable free time than they did over the summer. It's ok. That's just part of life. The honest reality is that there are 10's of thousands of new people that come into Arcane Legends daily and thousands and thousands more who come back to play every day. While things may be changing for you, I can say that Arcane Legends has a very healthy following.

I hope that helps.

-Samhayne

[Dex Scene]

I will play Al till the end. Dont worry stg we got your back :3 we might be super demanding but we love the game and appreciate your works

[notfaded1]

Hearing from Justg and Sam helps some for sure!

[Evicted]

Hello Sam,

I understand AL is your More Profits = Main game

But that Means Star legends Wont get anything new? We have not seen any Miracle called "New Stuff" from a April 2013.
Sorry if i sounds Rude or something... But its just like i get very emotional and sensitive with SL :(

Dont you think you should have not left giving attention to other games?

SL, PL, DL are Gold!
AL is Diamond!
If you get a Diamond, dont forget the gold!
Because to hold a Diamond you always need a Base of Gold :)

And someone has really said it well :

The most precious gift you can give to anyone is your time and Attention.

And Yeah!
One more thing,

Love you!

[epicrrr]

Hello Sam,

I understand AL is your More Profits = Main game

But that Means Star legends Wont get anything new? We have not seen any Miracle called "New Stuff" from a April 2013.
Sorry if i sounds Rude or something... But its just like i get very emotional and sensitive with SL :(

Dont you think you should have not left giving attention to other games?

SL, PL, DL are Gold!
AL is Diamond!
If you get a Diamond, dont forget the gold!
Because to hold a Diamond you always need a Base of Gold :)

And someone has really said it well :

The most precious gift you can give to anyone is your time and Attention.

And Yeah!
One more thing,

Love you!

That qoutation is actually good!

Fact of the matter is, STS divide their manpower/resources/talents/efforts/time to games that is money generating and games that gives "unique" players per day or something like that, just as sam mentions "part of life" to his response they have a clear view of reality and practicality. I believe response to "content development for other game" was posted somewhere here.

[Evicted]

What i mean is.. Just Like you all Love AL, I love SL, Some are lovers of PLand some love DL. So everyone feels sad when they are not given attention.. And many less of them ( Like me :3 ) Speak to Mods and Devs about that. Which is kind of annoying but is from Heart.

[fumolamota]

I get a kick out of hearing players complain about the lack of new gear. I started playing about mid-way through nordr (31) cap. Just before Shuyal released, a ton of players were freaking out about their mythics becoming obsolete. They didn't want all their hard work to obtain mythics be trumped by pinks. So, the upgraded mythic quest line was introduced. I took about a year off after few months of playing 36 cap. I returned to hear the exact opposite argument - The same mythics are the only viable end-game gear for the past however many seasons... Makes me chuckle.

[Evicted]

Was just Curious.. Is it going to be Legend game or Battle or something completely different? :)

[notfaded1]

My guess is new game won't be like any other and is some kind of battle arena game aka MOBA

[notfaded1]

I get a kick out of hearing players complain about the lack of new gear. I started playing about mid-way through nordr (31) cap. Just before Shuyal released, a ton of players were freaking out about their mythics becoming obsolete. They didn't want all their hard work to obtain mythics be trumped by pinks. So, the upgraded mythic quest line was introduced. I took about a year off after few months of playing 36 cap. I returned to hear the exact opposite argument - The same mythics are the only viable end-game gear for the past however many seasons... Makes me chuckle.

It's not that it's that the brand new armor in Arena is weaker than both Magma from Tindirin and also the past event crate gear... It doesn't have to unseat mythics.

[Appeltjes]

Was just Curious.. Is it going to be Legend game or Battle or something completely different? :)

For what I heard a new Legends title:)

[falmear]

Try adding some interesting PvE content instead of just making chase items through events/boss fights. Grinding one map to kill just a boss gets boring fast. Maybe others like fighting just the boss but what is the point of mage, rogue and tank when you just fight a boss? A tank can't even stop most damage effects done by a boss and AOE and crowd control is useless for just fighting bosses. Stop boosting limited release items. By now you should know what players want so there is no need to be boosting stuff after the fact. This is not season 1. Also invest some time in fixing PvP by balancing classes, since I started in season 2 the same complaints still exist. And make some new maps for PvP, having just 2 PvP maps gets boring.

Everything since goblin event has been going down hill and nothing that I have read or seen since then has interested me in playing again. If you are thinking adding chase items in arena and grinding new tombs will bring people back, I think you are mistaken.

[Hercules]

Why no learn to enjoy of Planar Arena?, There is so much to do in the game, always happens after of a 1 day of new update everyone are bored, i´m 100% sure when come hallowen event in 2 or 5 days they want something new. Do not panic STS never stop worrying about AL they know to do. Every day they can not be thrown great content, it take time.

[Candylicks]

Why no learn to enjoy of Planar Arena?, There is so much to do in the game, always happens after of a 1 day of new update everyone are bored, i´m 100% sure when come hallowen event in 2 or 5 days they want something new. Do not panic STS never stop worrying about AL they know to do. Every day they can not be thrown great content, it take time.

Planar Arena is fun, but we lose gold running it. They made hard content with lesser gear, really doesn't add up. The fossil is LOL, the first three bosses drop nothing, and the arena master chest is filled with noble and architect. So yeah. I'm all about Arena but they need to fix the loot. It's waste of time right now once you earn the AP.

[Hercules]

Planar Arena is fun, but we lose gold running it. They made hard content with lesser gear, really doesn't add up. The fossil is LOL, the first three bosses drop nothing, and the arena master chest is filled with noble and architect. So yeah. I'm all about Arena but they need to fix the loot. It's waste of time right now once you earn the AP.

well in my case I do not worry about getting nekro egg , farm things elite rather sell them , make money and start to buy things :P

[Candylicks]

well in my case I do not worry about getting nekro egg , farm things elite rather sell them , make money and start to buy things :P

GL then.

[Hercules]

GL then.

yap thanks you, I will start for buy singe or elondrian gun :)

[Jexetta]

As far as I'm concerned the new Arena is just the old arena with a coat of paint thrown over the previously bugged arena. I look at the new bugs listed for Arena and seems like they almost replicate the old bugs.

Will there be additional information about the tombs that will somehow separate them from the old tombs? It's almost like adding a new Brackenridge village with Jarl at the end just with a new layout path to get to him.

I suggested something really simple at the beginning of the season - just rotate new gear throughout the elite maps at cap every month. This way, old gear will keep it's value because it would be somewhat exclusive. It could be as simple as going :


Tindirin Wilds
Magma rogue blades (1st month) > Magma bow (2nd month) > Dragon blades (3rd month) > Dragon bow (4th month)

Tindirin Path
Magma staff > Magma gun > Dragon staff > Dragon gun

Tindirin Caves
Magma sword > Magma shield > Dragon sword > Dragon shield



You release mythic weapons / gear 1-2 months after initial release of new content and the gear rotated out from elites gets progressively closer in stats to the mythic weapons / gear that was released months earlier. This would keep the market happy, it would keep elite farmers happy, and the gear gap would be healthy and not so vast. You could even throw in weekends where :

'This weekend only! Dark magma items will be dropping'

Where the items just have a different coloration but for 1 weekend only. People love variation and exclusive items with a little pop. Or even something like :

'This weekend only! Elite Tribal Aberration is now twice as strong but when defeated the gear dropped will have an additional 100 hp'

Just throwing suggestions out there. Love you guys and wish the best for the AL community. In general, just rotating dropped loot like this generates the desire to do something new and keeps the economy healthy.

[GoodSyntax]

Hey gang,

We have a ton of stuff in work for you. Soon I will be posting the October Producer's Letter that will detail what's happening. If you haven't read previous updates, check out September at: http://www.spacetimestudios.com/showthread.php?173469-September-Producer-Letter-Planar-Update-amp-Next-Client

The fact of the matter is that everything goes through cycles. Right now the Planar Arena is missing its other half and some great end game farming and action with the Planar Tombs. Also, back to school is typically a slower time for online gaming as many players find the have less disposable free time than they did over the summer. It's ok. That's just part of life. The honest reality is that there are 10's of thousands of new people that come into Arcane Legends daily and thousands and thousands more who come back to play every day. While things may be changing for you, I can say that Arcane Legends has a very healthy following.

I hope that helps.

-Samhayne

Sam,

http://www.spacetimestudios.com/showthread.php?167830-what-would-you-do-if-you-owned-AL&p=1839542#post1839542

It would be nice if STS responded to suggestion threads more often. Players here have a lot of good ideas, and regardless of what your stats may be telling you, I can tell you what I see in my guild. Activity level is at an all-time low. Interest in elite maps is also at an all time low and is limited to Jagged Trail, Caves and the occasional Wilds run (assuming players even want to bother running due to poor loot rate, stagnant market, etc.) . Loot rate is as bad as I've ever remembered, all the way around, elite, supergems, crates, arena, you name it.

Arena, while beautiful is not profitable, and to be honest, the non-stop K.O.'s get a bit tedious, which causes all but the most hardcore to give up on it (therefore, not many are farming there).

The market overall has come to a standstill, everyone is just hoarding their gold at the moment, because no one knows what is going on, when the Halloween event will come, etc. The loot coming from the arena and elite Tindirin is generally inferior to the Druid/Spirit gear, so for the most part, farming is a fruitless endeavor, since Druid/Spirit is plentiful and relatively cheap.

Just take a look at the Elite (Pure) LB. There are a surprising number of solo/duo recordholders. This is an obvious indication of end-game apathy.

Honestly, there is nothing to farm for. Vials are basically non-existent. Magma is worthless (except for one version of the Claymore and Totem). Locked Crates are so undervalued, that the worst case of 2k x 3 actually is worth more than the crate itself, so crate farmers are hurting. All the way around, veterans of this game are hurting and losing interest. Tindirin has been around for over six months now, which is a really, really long time. Granted, there were two events since the introduction of the Dragon Enclave, but still, these maps have been overfarmed and something new needs to be introduced. An OHKO Arena isn't really the solution we were all looking for.

Sam, what we need to see is something exciting, something that reinvigorates the market, something that gets folks running once again, something new to talk about. It just seems that there has been a lot of errors in the game lately, a lot of rebalancing, a lot of second guessing and all that does is cause hesitation in your veteran gamer pool. In down times like these, I would have hoped that there would have been more consideration for your veteran population, more transparency, more responsiveness to good suggestions, and less "there are 10's of thousands of new people....". I'd be willing to bet that a considerable portion of those 10's of thousands are people like me, that set up a new account to play a different class, try out some different builds, then eventually discard the toon. Transient players don't really add anything to the community, so using those statistics is akin to saying that your veterans, those that started at the lv16 cap, that grew along with the game, rallied to the defense of the community, contributed a lot to what we have here, are of equal value to those that will likely be here for a just few days.

[Jexetta]

Wow Kali... I didn't even read your suggestion post and the very first line is exactly what I had always been thinking!

[cindersx]

I really have to agree with you. I've been playing AL since it came out. I've seen it change over the seasons, but ever since that Ursoth's crap happened, the game just just gone down. It even made me quit, and I thought I would stick to the game for much longer.. :/

[Raregem]

Sam,

http://www.spacetimestudios.com/showthread.php?167830-what-would-you-do-if-you-owned-AL&p=1839542#post1839542

It would be nice if STS responded to suggestion threads more often. Players here have a lot of good ideas, and regardless of what your stats may be telling you, I can tell you what I see in my guild. Activity level is at an all-time low. Interest in elite maps is also at an all time low and is limited to Jagged Trail, Caves and the occasional Wilds run (assuming players even want to bother running due to poor loot rate, stagnant market, etc.) . Loot rate is as bad as I've ever remembered, all the way around, elite, supergems, crates, arena, you name it.

Arena, while beautiful is not profitable, and to be honest, the non-stop K.O.'s get a bit tedious, which causes all but the most hardcore to give up on it (therefore, not many are farming there).

The market overall has come to a standstill, everyone is just hoarding their gold at the moment, because no one knows what is going on, when the Halloween event will come, etc. The loot coming from the arena and elite Tindirin is generally inferior to the Druid/Spirit gear, so for the most part, farming is a fruitless endeavor, since Druid/Spirit is plentiful and relatively cheap.

Just take a look at the Elite (Pure) LB. There are a surprising number of solo/duo recordholders. This is an obvious indication of end-game apathy.

Honestly, there is nothing to farm for. Vials are basically non-existent. Magma is worthless (except for one version of the Claymore and Totem). Locked Crates are so undervalued, that the worst case of 2k x 3 actually is worth more than the crate itself, so crate farmers are hurting. All the way around, veterans of this game are hurting and losing interest. Tindirin has been around for over six months now, which is a really, really long time. Granted, there were two events since the introduction of the Dragon Enclave, but still, these maps have been overfarmed and something new needs to be introduced. An OHKO Arena isn't really the solution we were all looking for.

Sam, what we need to see is something exciting, something that reinvigorates the market, something that gets folks running once again, something new to talk about. It just seems that there has been a lot of errors in the game lately, a lot of rebalancing, a lot of second guessing and all that does is cause hesitation in your veteran gamer pool. In down times like these, I would have hoped that there would have been more consideration for your veteran population, more transparency, more responsiveness to good suggestions, and less "there are 10's of thousands of new people....". I'd be willing to bet that a considerable portion of those 10's of thousands are people like me, that set up a new account to play a different class, try out some different builds, then eventually discard the toon. Transient players don't really add anything to the community, so using those statistics is akin to saying that your veterans, those that started at the lv16 cap, that grew along with the game, rallied to the defense of the community, contributed a lot to what we have here, are of equal value to those that will likely be here for a just few days.

Well said! I had to lol at the "healthy following" statement they really have no clue what's going on. Things are changing for everyone.. I can't imagine entering this game now as a brand new player and staying. What keeps most of us here now is the bond with our friends/guildmates and the hope that things will CHANGE for the positive.

[Serancha]

The solution is new gear that is better than level 36 mythics, better than mythic ring, that is only obtainable by farming. Putting all the best gear in crates does not encourage people to play the game.

The more time people spend actually engaged and playing - doing runs and participating, the more plat they will spend overall, and the longer they will stay as customers. By making all the top items only obtainable by sitting in town popping locks, you're undermining the entire game aspect of the enterprise. If people wanted to sit and shell out hundreds of dollars on a chance to get rich, they would go to a casino. This is a Game which means people want to actually play and have a decent chance to get the best items by actually using skills, running maps and getting their loot.

This does NOT mean you do 1000 elite runs and never see a sign of anything worth over 500k. This means if you put in the effort you have a viable chance of getting properly rewarded. Shards have a chance to drop from elite gold dragon chests - but nobody has ever obtained one this way because the odds are so minuscule that there is no hope of this happening. The odds of getting arcanes from elite runs should be substantially higher that getting one from a crate where you can pop 500 of them in a row. Nobody's going to open 500 elite golds at a sitting, so why are the odds the same or lower for this method?

Where is the reward for getting skilled and working hard? This whole loot model is backwards. Sure, it's fine that people are able to get things by being lazy and paying, but those who want to earn their gear by taking risks, making an effort and having skill should have a much greater chance of profiting than those who do nothing. When you can't profit or get any reward for making an effort, why would anyone bother to continue playing?

[spasmatic]

Yay, Nekro released! (oh darn, its a crate drop)
Yay, Arena released (limps away beaten and bruised alot poorer than before. I wont try that again)
Yay, plat farmers banned (huh? crates below 5k, luck 12k, anks 70k, guess i wont farm Jarl or k3 anymore)
Yay, people complained and everything gets buffed (uhh hello, anybody? us mages are here...anyone?)
Oh well, back to the grind. (/g need warr and 2 dps for caves)
Lol I still love you STS. Ill be playing this game till im the last person standing in Kraag!

[octavos]

well insted of a "concise and specific" explanation, like other members "Good comments btw GoodSyntax, and Serancha :)" ill keep mine simple down to the point.

1. we need better stuff to farm.
2. arenas are just for killing time..and if your lucky you get a nice drop.
3. Time is money, so please the longer something is developed, the more time passes that someone else will just leave and spend else where. "like I did" Dead Trigger is great
4. something that doesn't involve elite to farm...to much time is waisted..but if it does require tons of time..make the payout worth it and guaranteed.
5. something that anyone can get..even with legendary gear....not just mythic and arcane...some adults like me don't have the time to devote long play sessions.




Everything since goblin event has been going down hill and nothing that I have read or seen since then has interested me in playing again. If you are thinking adding chase items in arena and grinding new tombs will bring people back, I think you are mistaken.
agreed.

[Sdbigdaddy]

A couple of great posts up there. I think we can all agree that we would all like to see AL continue to enjoy the kind of success we believe it deserves. Sam said many new players are coming into the game and that's awesome. I guess from sts' perspective, if more new players are coming in than old players leaving, it is a success. I had no idea this was happening. So, the game is healthier than its ever been.

Thanks for listening to some of our gripes.

[Zylx]

Sam,

http://www.spacetimestudios.com/showthread.php?167830-what-would-you-do-if-you-owned-AL&p=1839542#post1839542

It would be nice if STS responded to suggestion threads more often. Players here have a lot of good ideas, and regardless of what your stats may be telling you, I can tell you what I see in my guild. Activity level is at an all-time low. Interest in elite maps is also at an all time low and is limited to Jagged Trail, Caves and the occasional Wilds run (assuming players even want to bother running due to poor loot rate, stagnant market, etc.) . Loot rate is as bad as I've ever remembered, all the way around, elite, supergems, crates, arena, you name it.

Arena, while beautiful is not profitable, and to be honest, the non-stop K.O.'s get a bit tedious, which causes all but the most hardcore to give up on it (therefore, not many are farming there).

The market overall has come to a standstill, everyone is just hoarding their gold at the moment, because no one knows what is going on, when the Halloween event will come, etc. The loot coming from the arena and elite Tindirin is generally inferior to the Druid/Spirit gear, so for the most part, farming is a fruitless endeavor, since Druid/Spirit is plentiful and relatively cheap.

Just take a look at the Elite (Pure) LB. There are a surprising number of solo/duo recordholders. This is an obvious indication of end-game apathy.

Honestly, there is nothing to farm for. Vials are basically non-existent. Magma is worthless (except for one version of the Claymore and Totem). Locked Crates are so undervalued, that the worst case of 2k x 3 actually is worth more than the crate itself, so crate farmers are hurting. All the way around, veterans of this game are hurting and losing interest. Tindirin has been around for over six months now, which is a really, really long time. Granted, there were two events since the introduction of the Dragon Enclave, but still, these maps have been overfarmed and something new needs to be introduced. An OHKO Arena isn't really the solution we were all looking for.

Sam, what we need to see is something exciting, something that reinvigorates the market, something that gets folks running once again, something new to talk about. It just seems that there has been a lot of errors in the game lately, a lot of rebalancing, a lot of second guessing and all that does is cause hesitation in your veteran gamer pool. In down times like these, I would have hoped that there would have been more consideration for your veteran population, more transparency, more responsiveness to good suggestions, and less "there are 10's of thousands of new people....". I'd be willing to bet that a considerable portion of those 10's of thousands are people like me, that set up a new account to play a different class, try out some different builds, then eventually discard the toon. Transient players don't really add anything to the community, so using those statistics is akin to saying that your veterans, those that started at the lv16 cap, that grew along with the game, rallied to the defense of the community, contributed a lot to what we have here, are of equal value to those that will likely be here for a just few days.

I am loving this post because every bit of it holds true. I believe a majority of the "10's of thousands" of new players everyday come from MMO-lovers who are excited to see a mobile MMO. So they try it out, love it at first, then leave when they get a taste of how inactive a lot of the other players are. Most of these new players probably never make it to cap.

In addition to creating new content for end-game, i'd suggest adding things to give a morale boost to those who aren't quite there yet. Adding new places to level, adding a scaling arena to those under level 30, creating more than one path to get to cap. There needs to be something to encourage players to get to cap, while still making the journey fun! Level 41 is a long way down the road, let players take breaks from the repititive "enter map, kill enemies, boss, repeat".

Undervaluing your veterans is a big mistake. If the game gets dull for us, it'll surely get dull for the new players eventually as well. Pleasing us will extend the longevity of your players, and will provide your company with a stronger sense of community. The truth is, your veterans can provide the best feedback and suggestions to where your company is headed, as they can compare it to your past decisions and will work with you to ensure that you are going down the right path.

If your veterans all die off, you will lose the foundation that built your company up off of the ground. We've all been by your side through thick and thin, and now is the time to thank us.

I only hope you guys take everything said in this thread seriously. There are things in the game that only your players can see, and when they see problems with inactivity, you'd best get to the bottom of it and hear us out! If needed, i can scour the suggestions section on popular, positive desires that have yet to be announced and create a list. I'd be happy to see this company bounce up from this business recession.

[FluidShot]

I'm not going to quote Syntax's post, as it's long. But every word if it is true.

I'd be interested to see the average length that said "10,000s" of new players stay (i.e., the time before they don't log in again for over a month). I'd then like to see the average account age of players who purchase platinum. Just out of curiosity.

Even if a significant portion of new players purchase platinum, I'd still like to believe you're developing the game for the end-game player. Quite frankly, I'm saddened to see the number of new players be a judge of a game's health. Personally, when the veterans, who inherently have more patience for a game than the transient players, begin to leave because they aren't being stimulated by it anymore, that defines a game's health. And in this case, poor health.

[Newcomx]

There's a lot of new MMO today, so the competition is hard. I suggest STS can maintain their player by at least implement some of the forumer suggestions, especially the end-game player, so their not play another MMO game.

[( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) lol]

Sam,

http://www.spacetimestudios.com/showthread.php?167830-what-would-you-do-if-you-owned-AL&p=1839542#post1839542

It would be nice if STS responded to suggestion threads more often. Players here have a lot of good ideas, and regardless of what your stats may be telling you, I can tell you what I see in my guild. Activity level is at an all-time low. Interest in elite maps is also at an all time low and is limited to Jagged Trail, Caves and the occasional Wilds run (assuming players even want to bother running due to poor loot rate, stagnant market, etc.) . Loot rate is as bad as I've ever remembered, all the way around, elite, supergems, crates, arena, you name it.

Arena, while beautiful is not profitable, and to be honest, the non-stop K.O.'s get a bit tedious, which causes all but the most hardcore to give up on it (therefore, not many are farming there).

The market overall has come to a standstill, everyone is just hoarding their gold at the moment, because no one knows what is going on, when the Halloween event will come, etc. The loot coming from the arena and elite Tindirin is generally inferior to the Druid/Spirit gear, so for the most part, farming is a fruitless endeavor, since Druid/Spirit is plentiful and relatively cheap.

Just take a look at the Elite (Pure) LB. There are a surprising number of solo/duo recordholders. This is an obvious indication of end-game apathy.

Honestly, there is nothing to farm for. Vials are basically non-existent. Magma is worthless (except for one version of the Claymore and Totem). Locked Crates are so undervalued, that the worst case of 2k x 3 actually is worth more than the crate itself, so crate farmers are hurting. All the way around, veterans of this game are hurting and losing interest. Tindirin has been around for over six months now, which is a really, really long time. Granted, there were two events since the introduction of the Dragon Enclave, but still, these maps have been overfarmed and something new needs to be introduced. An OHKO Arena isn't really the solution we were all looking for.

Sam, what we need to see is something exciting, something that reinvigorates the market, something that gets folks running once again, something new to talk about. It just seems that there has been a lot of errors in the game lately, a lot of rebalancing, a lot of second guessing and all that does is cause hesitation in your veteran gamer pool. In down times like these, I would have hoped that there would have been more consideration for your veteran population, more transparency, more responsiveness to good suggestions, and less "there are 10's of thousands of new people....". I'd be willing to bet that a considerable portion of those 10's of thousands are people like me, that set up a new account to play a different class, try out some different builds, then eventually discard the toon. Transient players don't really add anything to the community, so using those statistics is akin to saying that your veterans, those that started at the lv16 cap, that grew along with the game, rallied to the defense of the community, contributed a lot to what we have here, are of equal value to those that will likely be here for a just few days.

This is a excellent idea!

[( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) lol]

Sam,

http://www.spacetimestudios.com/showthread.php?167830-what-would-you-do-if-you-owned-AL&p=1839542#post1839542

It would be nice if STS responded to suggestion threads more often. Players here have a lot of good ideas, and regardless of what your stats may be telling you, I can tell you what I see in my guild. Activity level is at an all-time low. Interest in elite maps is also at an all time low and is limited to Jagged Trail, Caves and the occasional Wilds run (assuming players even want to bother running due to poor loot rate, stagnant market, etc.) . Loot rate is as bad as I've ever remembered, all the way around, elite, supergems, crates, arena, you name it.

Arena, while beautiful is not profitable, and to be honest, the non-stop K.O.'s get a bit tedious, which causes all but the most hardcore to give up on it (therefore, not many are farming there).

The market overall has come to a standstill, everyone is just hoarding their gold at the moment, because no one knows what is going on, when the Halloween event will come, etc. The loot coming from the arena and elite Tindirin is generally inferior to the Druid/Spirit gear, so for the most part, farming is a fruitless endeavor, since Druid/Spirit is plentiful and relatively cheap.

Just take a look at the Elite (Pure) LB. There are a surprising number of solo/duo recordholders. This is an obvious indication of end-game apathy.

Honestly, there is nothing to farm for. Vials are basically non-existent. Magma is worthless (except for one version of the Claymore and Totem). Locked Crates are so undervalued, that the worst case of 2k x 3 actually is worth more than the crate itself, so crate farmers are hurting. All the way around, veterans of this game are hurting and losing interest. Tindirin has been around for over six months now, which is a really, really long time. Granted, there were two events since the introduction of the Dragon Enclave, but still, these maps have been overfarmed and something new needs to be introduced. An OHKO Arena isn't really the solution we were all looking for.

Sam, what we need to see is something exciting, something that reinvigorates the market, something that gets folks running once again, something new to talk about. It just seems that there has been a lot of errors in the game lately, a lot of rebalancing, a lot of second guessing and all that does is cause hesitation in your veteran gamer pool. In down times like these, I would have hoped that there would have been more consideration for your veteran population, more transparency, more responsiveness to good suggestions, and less "there are 10's of thousands of new people....". I'd be willing to bet that a considerable portion of those 10's of thousands are people like me, that set up a new account to play a different class, try out some different builds, then eventually discard the toon. Transient players don't really add anything to the community, so using those statistics is akin to saying that your veterans, those that started at the lv16 cap, that grew along with the game, rallied to the defense of the community, contributed a lot to what we have here, are of equal value to those that will likely be here for a just few days.

It is a excellent idea :)

[Serancha]

well insted of a winded and long read of an explanation, like other members "Good comments btw GoodSyntax, and Serancha :)" .

We're concise and specific - it sounds so much better than long winded ;)

[Pie]

Arcane Legends is like a best friend that moves away. From time to time you will still communicate but as time goes on, you will talk less and less. AL was my best friend and I will always have deep connections to this game but it has grown off me. The hype I once felt playing has disappeared and this is because the content became boring to me but this may not occur to new players. The reason AL was a booming success is because everyone was new and like most things, if it is new it will entertain you. It just depends on how long it will. Everyone was happy in the early seasons which is why SS gained so much praise and excitement. They were encouraged to bring new ideas and it didn't feel forced. Now, as I see all of these posts of becoming angry and blaming SS on doing a poor job of maintaining this game, I have a different image of this gaming community. They have lives too and after all, there are tons of games out there. Most people cannot withstand the lull of AL and will be back. Everyone needs a break to everything. I myself came back after a year off and came to enjoy the game greatly again. However, like Sam said life is getting busy with school and recreational time is minimized. If everyone were to take a break and not hate on AL, new players will come and not be discouraged by seeing so many negative posts on the forumns. The developers can only do so much and it is not their fault for the lack of enjoyment in AL. It is ours.

[octavos]

We're concise and specific - it sounds so much better than long winded ;)

oh but of course. :)

[basketholic209]

My indicator of AL slowly becoming dead is when I can't sell/buy any single item for hours standing in Pier xD

But seriously, Sam, you need to listen to all Kali and Sera have said. This is the first MMORPG I have ever played and I love it very much. What makes it even more special is this great community, which tirelessly gives valuable input for this game. I can't imagine investing this much time in any other game like I do for AL.

Let's save AL together! :)

[Samhayne]

Let's save AL together! :)

Amen to that. I've always been a customer advocate and will continue to be one. Without players, we wouldn't have a game.

If you are hoping that I can wave my magic wand and change things in a patch this Thursday to address your issues, sadly, such a wand doesn't exist.

We are working on a pile of new content and initiatives. I will be talking further about them in the October installment of the Producer's Letter. We really appreciate the feedback you guys proved as it does help us to better understand our roadmap and rationalize player feedback with player metrics.

I'll just close this post by saying lots of <3 back at ya.

[Evicted]

Samhayne I heard Seoratrek told in SL that we are getting new vanities and not recycled one this Halloween.. Is that True? <3

[ClumsyCactus]

Good luck on fixing the problems ;)

[Akatsuuki]

Yeah been standing all day at pier no one's buying my stuffs or even selling my needs .. Oh we'll just like the last few days *sigh* oh we'll all we can do is wait

[Zylx]

Amen to that. I've always been a customer advocate and will continue to be one. Without players, we wouldn't have a game.

If you are hoping that I can wave my magic wand and change things in a patch this Thursday to address your issues, sadly, such a wand doesn't exist.

We are working on a pile of new content and initiatives. I will be talking further about them in the October installment of the Producer's Letter. We really appreciate the feedback you guys proved as it does help us to better understand our roadmap and rationalize player feedback with player metrics.

I'll just close this post by saying lots of <3 back at ya.

Thank you sam! :D May STS live long and prosper!

[Xorrior]

Amen to that. I've always been a customer advocate and will continue to be one. Without players, we wouldn't have a game.

If you are hoping that I can wave my magic wand and change things in a patch this Thursday to address your issues, sadly, such a wand doesn't exist.

We are working on a pile of new content and initiatives. I will be talking further about them in the October installment of the Producer's Letter. We really appreciate the feedback you guys proved as it does help us to better understand our roadmap and rationalize player feedback with player metrics.

I'll just close this post by saying lots of <3 back at ya.

I liked your reply, nice one. Magic wand does exist, it's the many awesome suggestions made by the community within this forum, you don't have to look far. Just implement them, they're not overboard suggestions, and can raise this game to another level of excitement, heck I might even pop my cork!

I love this game, I play it for fun, it chills me out after a hard days work. I enjoy spending plat and I'm not ashamed to even say that, but there has to be a bit of give and take and not all take, take, take. I'm a wise old fox and I know when I'm being spun dry, that's when I shut up shop and halt my plat spending. You give us a good reason to spend plat and we spend it. Fresh new pets, vanities, weapons and gears that are better than previous stuff and def better than level zzzz mythics.

I also think when your devs have made new content, armour, pets or weapons that they actually test it out ingame too and run with us, based on the current level cap. Not with their level 100 stats. Look at how many threads of rage it took for you guys to improve the Arena, Bulwark and Singe.

[phillyr]

Unfortunately gamers have a very short attention span, we get bored long enough...we move on. Ive personally gotten more into console games. They seem to be much more rewarding without having to dump thousands of dollars or countless hours

just another upbeat positive comment from your friendly neighborhood forumer 😆

[Jay Gatsby]

now what will be interesting is that all of space time studios games collide, this sounds impossible but if they are all combined it becomes more manageable and it will be a whole new experience. However, i dont know how that can be done, but when theres a will, there will be a way, believe in the green light old sports

[Chrisaetoshawker]

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