Bears: Should They Be Nerfed?

[iRandom]

C'mon it's not like no one saw this coming.

[Kixxler]

nah just make a bear

[iRandom]

nah just make a bear
Your right!
So when I fight other bears the outcome will be based purely or almost on luck!

[anahadaz]

If you really want an answer to that question, go pvp for a few minutes:)

[iRandom]

If you really want an answer to that question, go pvp for a few minutes:)
Statistics
Bird Vs. Bear:L,L,W,L,L,W
Mage vs. Bear:W,W,W,W,W
Bear vs. Bear:W,L,W,L,W,L,L,W,W

[Booked]

Your right!
So when I fight other bears the outcome will be based purely or almost on luck!
I dont know how you play bear but it takes a while bear vs. Bear and you also need to know how to get going when hs hits you, if you keep losing vs. Other bears, well isnt luck based you maybe need a better build, gear or practice.

[Ssneakykills]

nah just make a bear

Yeah because that's a great solution

[bearuang]

Y no one see pally, their base stat its int but they can live with str and dex and rek everything. What classes that get advantages from vs pally?

[Booked]

Y no one see pally, their base stat its int but they can live with str and dex and rek everything. What classes that get advantages from vs pally?
Especific class set?

[Armourslash]

C'mon it's not like no one saw this coming.

They already have been and it was a failure.

[Caiahar]

This is still going?

[iRandom]

I dont know how you play bear but it takes a while bear vs. Bear and you also need to know how to get going when hs hits you, if you keep losing vs. Other bears, well isnt luck based you maybe need a better build, gear or practice.
I dodge hs.
they dodge hs.
i dodge stomp and sms.
they dodge stomp and sms.
5 minutes later!
i dodge.
they dodge
10 hours later!
Flip a coin. GF!

[iRandom]

They already have been and it was a failure.
Again unnerf birds
Birds are too squishy now

[iRandom]

Y no one see pally, their base stat its int but they can live with str and dex and rek everything. What classes that get advantages from vs pally?
Int Mages! Kite + Crit + Heal + MS = Win
yet pallies outlast int mages much longer soo....

[Booked]

I dodge hs.
they dodge hs.
i dodge stomp and sms.
they dodge stomp and sms.
5 minutes later!
i dodge.
they dodge
10 hours later!
Flip a coin. GF!
Then you need a combo and learn pvp

[iRandom]

Then you need a combo and learn pvp

My combo is: Dodge,Dodge,Flip a coin, GF!

[Booked]

My combo is: Dodge,Dodge,Flip a coin, GF!
Then why ask bears to be nerfed if you dont have any idea of what are you doing?

[iRandom]

Then why ask bears to be nerfed if you dont have any idea of what are you doing?
Your asking the wrong question.
The right question: Why not?

[Booked]

Your asking the wrong question.
The right question: Why not?
Okay, nerf bear's dodge, with the lack of hit and everytime hs, blind or mage debuffs hits they'll get over 45% of hit which any str bear wont hit a think, then they'll go dex, that means even more op and they'll hit all, int mages and birds wont be able to kite and that will create more trouble.

[iRandom]

Okay, nerf bear's dodge, with the lack of hit and everytime hs, blind or mage debuffs hits they'll get over 45% of hit which any str bear wont hit a think, then they'll go dex, that means even more op and they'll hit all, int mages and birds wont be able to kite and that will create more trouble.
Str bears tank lel
and practically every good bear has decent dex
IF ur trying to say that bears even after the your "nerf" will still be OP, then that gives EVEN more reason to nerf them, no?

[Booked]

Str bears tank lel
and practically every good bear has decent dex
IF ur trying to say that bears even after the your "nerd" will still be OP, then that gives EVEN more reason to nerd them, no?
Even my bear that has Mecha head and 3pc has about 110% with savage, 108% with lustrous, if blind hits i dont hit, same with 2pc and dragon ring bears, then bears go dex, people will ask to nerf dex, that'll also make birds even more weak and so on people will cry that mages to op and so on.

Besides are you trying to get a thanks?

[iRandom]

Besides are you trying to get a thanks?
If i was then i wouldn't make a thread called this lol
instead i'd make a suggestion for halloween or christmas for pl

[iRandom]

Even my bear that has Mecha head and 3pc has about 110% with savage, 108% with lustrous, if blind hits i dont hit, same with 2pc and dragon ring bears, then bears go dex, people will ask to nerf dex, that'll also make birds even more weak and so on people will cry that mages to op and so on.


If Blind hits, bears already have a lot dodge
Besides birds barely hit anything after hs

[iamthesurvivor]

If Blind hits, bears already have a lot dodge
Besides birds barely hit anything after hs

You are rite lel. I believe u more than booked, sorry booked. its all abouut hs bear vs bear.

[iRandom]

Everyone will have the same argument that will balance the classes.(from a skill vantage point)
Mages have heal and ms
Birdies have blast(which gets rid of ms) and powerful arrows
Bears have 4(correct me if I'm wrong) stun attacks along with a beckon and devastating rebuffs.

Bears deal out so much damage that heal nor drain cannot recover health fast enuff all the while tanking
once birdies are hsed the arrows will barely hit, even if they do the rumor and health pool of the bear will help it survive

[iRandom]

Sadly i can't speak much for endgame rhinos and foxes as i have not made one or seen one...

[Booked]

Well if try to make a thread at least take time like Imxoriginal took to write this: http://www.spacetimestudios.com/showthread.php?132705-Time-For-A-New-Era-Help-in-the-quest-to-restore-PVP&highlight=imxoriginal and also knowledge.

Also did you consider the bonus that 75's sets give? Also the high dodge of the swift talon set?

[Impact]

Okay, nerf bear's dodge, with the lack of hit and everytime hs, blind or mage debuffs hits they'll get over 45% of hit which any str bear wont hit a think, then they'll go dex, that means even more op and they'll hit all, int mages and birds wont be able to kite and that will create more trouble.

Yea replace taunt dodge with armour, thr most tanky and nukey class shouldn't almost have most dodge...


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[Booked]

Yea replace taunt dodge with armour, thr most tanky and nukey class shouldn't almost have most dodge...


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Iron is armor, and thats why is a tanky class because bears have to tank in ffa/ctf

[MightyMicah]

I just can't believe people are so biased towards this class. Do people want the game to be balanced? I mean seriously is that what you guys want? Do we want balance? I'm asking the question so many times because I'm convinced that most of us don't. Most of us would rather play our op class and watch others crumble.

To be honest one thing I've wondered is if people even understand what balance is. To understand what balance is, experience the state of this game at all levels, and still conclude that bears are fine is to be willfully ignorant, not thorough, or straight up blinded by bias.

I'm convinced there are no other options. If you believe otherwise, I'd love to watch you try and make a case for bears. Seriously, though. Just try it.../Endrant

[Burstnuke]

nah just make a bear

Typical bear :stupid:

[AppleNoob]

I dodge hs.
they dodge hs.
i dodge stomp and sms.
they dodge stomp and sms.
5 minutes later!
i dodge.
they dodge
10 hours later!
Flip a coin. GF!
Wut about bird? Dodges hs dodges dodges beck dodges all slasg and auto dodges stomp

[iRandom]

Also the high dodge of the swift talon set?
High dodge??
Angelic gives more dodge than swift

[iRandom]

Wut about bird? Dodges hs dodges dodges beck dodges all slasg and auto dodges stomp
Bears dodge more than birds in most cases and this is endgame..

[iRandom]

Yea replace taunt dodge with armour, thr most tanky and nukey class shouldn't almost have most dodge...


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They aren't the most nukey class but they are not far from it.

[iRandom]

Well if try to make a thread at least take time like Imxoriginal took to write this: http://www.spacetimestudios.com/showthread.php?132705-Time-For-A-New-Era-Help-in-the-quest-to-restore-PVP&highlight=imxoriginal and also knowledge.

Ty!
I will base my writing technique off of his from now and on

[iRandom]

Also the high dodge of the swift talon set?
Yah! More dodge for bears!!!

[iRandom]

But a true thx to finding a thread that agrees with mine
nerf bears and increase mages and birds!!!

[Impact]

But a true thx to finding a thread that agrees with mine
nerf bears and increase mages and birds!!!

Lol rhino and fox?


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[Booked]

But a true thx to finding a thread that agrees with mine
nerf bears and increase mages and birds!!!
Dont even take the thread from someone who really knows what is talking about, make your own thread and stats.

Also agrees with yours? I bet that thread is older than you playing endgame pvp

[Electrophiles]

Dont even take the thread from someone who really knows what is talking about, make your own thread and stats.

Also agrees with yours? I bet that thread is older than you playing endgame pvp
dude, calm down. one thing we must all agree on is that bears are op and pure int mages are underpowered, no?
sure, bird's blind is op, but bear has hs and cb, which therefore is two times op. no point in arguing from a lost side. bear is op. no denial of that, no matter what you say. try playing from an int mages perspective someday, instead of a 3pc fully decked out lustrous bear; it really changes you perspective a lot...you should try it too!

anyways, no need to bash on this guy's thread. any contribution is a helpful contribution, and this thread is much better than the christmas/halloween ones that we get on daily basis.

[Booked]

dude, calm down. one thing we must all agree on is that bears are op and pure int mages are underpowered, no?
sure, bird's blind is op, but bear has hs and cb, which therefore is two times op. no point in arguing from a lost side. bear is op. no denial of that, no matter what you say. try playing from an int mages perspective someday, instead of a 3pc fully decked out lustrous bear; it really changes you perspective a lot...you should try it too!

anyways, no need to bash on this guy's thread. any contribution is a helpful contribution, and this thread is much better than the christmas/halloween ones that we get on daily basis.
You could be mad if a nub takes your friend's thread and start using it as its own. And yes i will use pure int mage when i cap it.

I also know fiery is underpowered but quite good pure int mages have found how to keep going, most of them didnt use savage at all even without elite ring.

[iRandom]

Lol rhino and fox?


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Just improve rhinos, foxes are ok just that no one knows the secret combo!!

[iRandom]

Proposal:
Increase int mages, dex birds, and rhinos overall, but fox can stay the same as well as bears but a little nerf on the bear's dodge, armor, damage, or skills would be perfectly fine.