What is your Opinion on Power leveling

[King Richie]

This is a new forum for pocket legends news

Ok so guys give me your opinions on power leveling ?

Give me your pros and cons and if you disagree or agree with it what should be done to hinder or make it better ?


*begin rants*

[Conradin]

I've lvled up two characters to 50 and one to lvl 30 el natural. I don't feel bad abot power lvlig my new twink up to lvl 20.

[Lesrider]

It's gotten out of hand.
People, at the very least, should only ask their friends for this favor -- not an entire forum.

[Conradin]

I agree with lesrider, its not the experienced players lvling up new chars that are doing harm, it's the other people (noobs) who see us powerlvling and want to do it to. Irritant help with forum people make threads that say "free power leveling!" *cough* Ice *cough*

[Royce]

Powerleveling is just cheating yourself out of enjoying the majority of the available content for the purpose of reaching the cap. The destination however pales in comparison to the journey. It doesn't take long at any cap for most capped players to get bored and start making twinks or new characters. I have a ton of characters and I may have done 20 levels combined on all of them powerleveling. I just have way more fun actually playing the game (that's why we're all here right, playing the game?). That said I have no problem with players who want to powerlevel their alts when they already have capped characters. I still think you are depriving yourself, but the main negative impact of powerleveling on the community is capped players who don't know how to play, which degrades the PL experience for everyone. The Mynas Gen was bad, but that was fixed by simply fixing a map, the situation is more complicated now. With the Mynas Gen, most capped players were opposed to the practice, now thanks to PL economy/CS/greed the Powerleveling problem is basically run and facilitated by high level players looking to make some easy gold at the expense of the community.

[Phoenixking]

I say it's good but bad
Pros
-you get to level up faster
-should be used for alts
-only ask friends
Cons
-shouldn't be used for first mains
-creates the mynas gens(people who didn't level properly for there first char and become boneheads)
-it creates spam threads for leveling
-more beggars

[Baked-Potato]

It's gotten out of hand.
People, at the very least, should only ask their friends for this favor -- not an entire forum.

+1

Everyday there are more and more threads about people asking to be power leveled or about power leveling services.

[Phoenixking]

I'm going to nuke them with my LOGIC NUKE OF RESPONSIBLITYTUDE!!!!!!!

[Dizzy]

I don't have a problem with it so long as the person being powerleveled knows how to play their class when they've reached lvl cap. Of course the pitfall is if it's your first character, it's going to be hard to learn the game if you go from lvl 1 to lvl 50 in two or three days. It's just impossible, really, because not only are you missing out on hours of playing, but you're missing out on working on a team. If all you do is follow someone around while they do all the work, you can't learn skills or teamwork, and you won't have a friends list of people to play with by the end.

And I know people make exceptions for alts, but I'm finding that playing a different class requires time to learn. I know the game, so my learning curve isn't as steep with my bear and bird, but I still find each class different enough that I don't want to powerlevel them until I know how to use them well. And I've got to say, I'm enjoying the heck out of leveling my bear and bird.

I do have issues with so many powerleveling threads. At a glance, so many threads give the impression that powerleveling is no big deal and just part of the game culture. The more people create threads, the more any advice from older players is diluted, the more powerleveling is misunderstood... and so on. If I could make one change here on the forums, I would sticky one powerleveling thead and lock any new threads, just to keep it all in one place. I realize I'm looking at this as a player and not a forum mod and this will never happen, but I think it would help contain the powerleveling fever, at least here.

I've come to the conclusion that the real issue with demanding, entitled, horrible players isn't powerleveling per se, it's a system that rewards lazy players just as much as good players. I don't know how it can be fixed, but it just boggles me that someone can leap level after level without doing a thing. If the game allows lazy people to reach their goal without working for it, they're going to remain lazy and demanding. Fix the system so that there's no way to progress without learning how to play, and we'll see a lot of bad behaviour die off.

[hollen]

No problems with it as long as the people learn the game.

[chrononh]

I really don't care one way or the other. I like joining pick up groups and I see good and bad players all the time. My silver lining take is that it adds a little variety to the experience. I've worked with really good groups where bears tank, mages heal and birds debuff and deal damage. In one group of mostly 40s (I think I was the only 50), we took down the Keeper with the shield going up just once.

I've also worked with really bad groups where the mage's idea of revving is to cast lightning and, when the dead toon remained dead, said, "Well, I tried." (One instance I was really happy I had health pots.) Then there was the bear who kept hiding behind a rock in ao3:1 while the birds and the Mage killed the boss.

You can avoid bad players by sticking with your friends or not joining pick up groups altogether.

You can also choose to just ignore power leveling threads. But I would argue those threads have a utility in that we know who are powerleveled and can avoid them. Or offer to mentor them, if you are feeling particularly altruistic.

[powerandintent]

http://www.motifake.com/image/demotivational-poster/1003/beating-a-dead-horse-horse-demotivational-poster-1267844749.png

1.7 comes out what? tomorrow?
I thought for sure I read that there's going to be minimum level requirements for dungeons when it's released...

[Royce]

1.7 comes out what? tomorrow?
I thought for sure I read that there's going to be minimum level requirements for dungeons when it's released...

Not exactly. There will be a way to restrict games you create to players with at least the minimum level of the campaign. This will help avoid the parades of underlevel players that always try to join less than full higher level games if the host wants, but will really not change powerleveling since it is a host option.

[Pandamoni]

I have a few friends whose alts I've helped PLVL. These are people I play with regularly and who are good on their mains, who understand how to play the game, have read the guides for other classes and who will be awesome when they reach fifty with their new plvl'd alt. I see it as a benefit if I've helped PLVL a mage friend's bird so if we are doing runs and no good birds are on they can go bring their bird. If I'm PLVL'ing someone and a really low person comes in and starts leeching I'll usually boot because I don't know if they know how to play and don't want to help a crap player level. If there are 40's in there who are contributing and playing as part of the team I let them stay so they can help us lvl faster.

All in all it's something I can see some benefit to if it's my friend but with my alts I like to level naturally (well, I did have a friend jump me from 13 to 15 with my mage one night because I wanted to try out a new wand before I fell asleep and I was fading fastly. BUT my main is a mage and I believe I play her pretty well so I didn't feel bad about this).

[Doubletime]

Well first let me say this is my first post after lurking for a while. I have one of each character at 50. I did it the old fashion way of playing through the PvE game and have to say that nothing quite prepares you to know the role and abilities of your character like leveling the way the game was designed.

I get frustrated sometimes when I play through a map in AO3 and have level 50 players that simply don't understand the dynamics of a party or the way the characters play off of one another. The only explanation seems to be that these players powerleveled to the cap without learning to really play the game.

I mean the game is suppose to be fun and challenging. It is only challenging if you play through the boards at the right level. I can run through the Dark Forest farming (don't ask me why in the world these low level items are worth so much) without even thinking about what I am doing. What is the fun in that? If your goal is to simply max out your character, why are you playing the game? Where is the challenge?

Now if you are leveling an alt, no big deal. That happens all the time and I don't have a problem with it. But if it is your first time through with a character, bear, bird, or elf, why cheat yourself of the fun and challenge of playing through the levels.

Just my two cents. Maybe I am just tired of the people that have no idea how to play as a party. It is cooperative play for a reason. It isn't suppose to be 5 players randomly hacking their way through a board. It is suppose to be a party playing as a group, each doing their roll, so that the boards can be fun and rewarding for everyone.

So personally, I think powerleveling your main characters hurts player development and cheats the person out of the experience and fun of the game.

[FluffNStuff]

Power leveling you main is ridiculous. I have a number of characters I have leveled the normal way, including a pair of 50's. But I do power level my twinks. There are times I want a specific level character for a certain task or for PVP. In that case, I see no issue power leveling them, but some may disagree. What I usually do with them is power level them to the minimum of the area I want them for and then get the rest in the level. So for my swamp guy, I PL'd him to 30, and got from 30-35 in the swamps, and then froze him.

[KingFu]

I think it wrecks the game, and only leads to clueless noobs. Ill type more when in not on droid >.<

Also can I get a shout out for pitching the idea? XD

[Physiologic]

The issue with power-leveling is not power-leveling itself, but the extent in which power-leveling has spread that created a generation of lazy, uneducated players who can't control their character at all and beg for leech.

[noobmigo]

That is exactly the problem. The other problem is what i have also been preaching :p
Lots good 50s that boot inexperienced players b4 they explain what the inexperienced player is doing wrong.

[Palyna]

I am abit tired of seeing alot of level 10+ and 20+ coming into the keeper map saying "please dont boot me". And I saw alot of level 50 having much lesser kills than my level 35 bird. Alot of unexperienced level 50 around due to power leveling.

[Fyrce]

I have no problems with powerleveling per se.

I have a problem with lowbies who come into high level maps. They can powerlevel in more appropriate level maps. There's no advantage PL'ing in Fathom vs Ao3, but of course, these people don't know that and would prefer to stand behind some level 50s rather than more appropriate level people. Hell, they won't even get their friends to powerlevel them in level appropriate maps...

I have a problem with high levels who do not know anything about their character: they don't know skills, strategy, have no gold because they never spent the time to farm anything, don't know what farming is, don't know how to group, have no friends because they never played, have no equips because they never played.

I have a problem with high levels who do not know anything about the game: they do not know where the store is, what farming is, what the swamps is, what Ao2 is, what plasma is, what portals are, how to walk between towns, what towns are, how to join games, how to host games, how to group, how to run groups, how to BE in a group, and on and on.

I would really love to see a -3/+3 level restriction on areas.

In the meantime, I starting a very long ignore list of level 40s+ who beg. I thought just leaving their games, etc would work, but all their whining is really annoying. I might add in those high levels who die in Balefort or Fathom dungeons. Umm....the level 21 and level 19 did not understand that AT ALL! And no, he was not AFK. He came in, ran after us through a populated corridor and died! Then he left. Maybe he was seeing how low he could go to die :P Just a recent example of an epidemic.

Oh yeah, he asked for rev first. My friend the mage made him wait and told him to not die. LOL.

[Ursanblessing]

well i played this game with my bird, and reached AO at lvl 30 (at that point 4500 kills/1 death). And after this its hard to get a group in a random AO map.
Found some guys in Pyramid and i really thank them by letting me in their party (ok there was only 1 or 2 lvl 50 in it). Im now 43. I did all quest, except the 2 with collect 1000X this and that and got 5 more deaths (awfull ping yesterday in 2 or 3 games)

If you already killed each boss with another char, why not powerlevel.

[Thelonearcher]

I see no problem. Powerleveling requires xp pots or else its not powerleveling but wait wered you get the gold for pots? O right you EARNED it. I see no problem in this other then knowing how hard you've worked getting from lvl 1 to 50 espicially if you were here in april or early may how much time you put into this game seeing people fly through levels in days. Its aggrovating, but most of you have done it ^^ hypocrites.

[kallima]

well i played this game with my bird, and reached AO at lvl 30 (at that point 4500 kills/1 death). And after this its hard to get a group in a random AO map.
Found some guys in Pyramid and i really thank them by letting me in their party (ok there was only 1 or 2 lvl 50 in it). Im now 43. I did all quest, except the 2 with collect 1000X this and that and got 5 more deaths (awfull ping yesterday in 2 or 3 games)

If you already killed each boss with another char, why not powerlevel.

I am ambivalent bout p leveling. One should at least play enough to know the advantages/disadvantages of their class as well as individual and group combos before p leveling. If everyone did this we would be so much more harmonious as a community.

I p leveled my alts after doing all quests except for pelt/snowball. Still working on my cyber for one alt and will move on to those after.

[recklessfa]

Why would it be ok to power level alts?
Leveling being the game, Different skills and strategy: not the same game for me sorry.
You already get a clear advantage by knowing the game mechanics...

Should you wish to have a full int Mage AND a pally, I agree it's a bit tedious to start all over again. But if that's what you want, here s the price.

Such mmo should have rules...

Now what is done is done... And fairness for those who invested time, plat and efforts is gone.
Ok idc.

Question remains : does STS want to consider this as an issue for their game and enforce it like they do with account reselling (pretty much the same to me, btw)?


Low lvl Quests shouldn't be available for high lvls
higher level Maps shouldn't be accessible, or already unlocked for your alts especially since it's been nerfed.
There shouldn't be such things as mummies farming grounds with mini bosses you can just skip (how interesting is that anyway).
should there be xp pots to begin with? or only to be bought with plat.


Some will object PL being a so-called casual mmo?*
Plenty of other casual games for that on the app store.
I though this one was standing out for a reason.
I'd call it casual if you could buy decent amount of gold by plat though.

Why not ask to be able to buy lvl50s Alts in plat once you caped your main while we're at it?

Seems to me STS are fine with it since the topic isnt really new, and nothing has been done so I guess such discussion is pointless, we just need to wonder if we can adapt to the change.

Only STS have the cards anyway, and I'll play long as like what they release.
So far so good. still there, waiting to see what's next.

That's just my opinion, not a crusade. You may certainly have a different one and I say 'cool'.*

Ps: yes I'll try to respec and add some points in conciseness.
Ps2 : Just to bring in some context. I'm not an 'old player. Just arrived with ao2 release.

[Volantin]

I dont care how a char reached 50 and how many kills/deaths he have, the only thing that matters is how he plays, ive seen players with 3k kills who know how to play... Lol

[Riccits]

when sts want to stop powerlevel they would have done already... its very simple... a little fix with little update..
what i dont understand is why sts did stop it in "tombs of mynas" and didnt it at "crush keeper"..??

@recklessfa: i had all my 3 50s before swamp quests came out, it wouldnt be right to lock it thought... but i like ur idea of remove the XP-pots.

[Acyer]

I disagree with powerleveling if its your first toon. You miss out on the mechanics of the game and the time it takes to learn you're charscter. And its not hard to tell if its your first 50 cause when you ask what the name of my void gear is or when you don't know how to trade or even when you have 600 kills those just give it away.

[Kujen]

It's bad, people aren't learning to play their character. If you already have one and are just making a twink or something, I don't have a problem with it. But many people are doing it for their first character.

It's bad for the developers too. I found this site that says, when you first get the game, only buy alien oasis because all the others are "a waste of platinums". It also encourages people to tag along with high levels. When new people download the game, and they see guides like this..they realize they don't need to spend much plat to get to the max level. All the other maps are just a waste, why bother buying them.

I realize that people should be allowed to buy as little or as much as they want, and they should be allowed to play what they pay for. Thats why i suggest that low levels earn only a small fraction of xp in maps that are too high for them. This would encourage them to play in the recommended maps, because that is the fastest way they'd lvl up.

[Fyrce]

For people who do not know this game, playing at high levels and NOT knowing how to play is also frustrating for them. They have to resort to standing back and never really playing and begging a lot. I can't see how they can enjoy that.

As for leveling in 30s, I leveled in Lost Expedition (LE) and Swamps. What's wrong with those? I think LE teaches a lot and when I was doing those, I'd see higher levels have trouble with the area. Why? I'm guessing because they've never figured it out. They never figured out how to NOT get mobbed, how to draw out a few at a time, how to deal with being frozen, maybe even how to kite. It's sad really to see level 40s constantly dying in Balefort or 50s not able to run Swamps. How is that fun game play?

I see some peoples' response is that they have every right to reach the end game as fast as possible because new content is coming. But the new content will be there whether you level in LE or Ao2. Actually, leveling in LE will not take you that much longer than begging to join Ao2 groups and is begging really that much more fun than playing the game? You might even get good friends (the #1 act you can do in game to make your online time much more enjoyable) and learn to run games, which by the way, you also need.

And yep, seen those level 50s that die a lot in Ao3 and leave. Sad really, when they could be having a good time playing and joining friends that they've made along their journey.

[JBah]

Honestly...is this really a big deal? Ignore and boot are incorporated into this game for a reason.