DISCOVERY! Nightmare and weakness skills

[noobmigo]

Bit of a late observation, but has anyone else realized that nightmare and weakness also do damage?

[Zeus]

Yup, I forget what patch did this? I think the patch when skills became dodgeable?

[Zerious]

weakness: lowers hit rate and damage by 5 per skill level
nightmare: 5 armor per skill level and 2 dodge per skill level

[noobmigo]

and they both do dmg.

[Royce]

A ton of debuffs do damage though they don't list it. Hellscream, crushing blow, shattering scream, and maybe others do it too. I'm wondering if it's a result of stat driven skills, or possibly just base damage carrying over to skills that don't actually do damage themselves.

[Zerious]

actually they don't do damage... but break armor does. Hell scream doesn't either.

[Royce]

actually they don't do damage... but break armor does. Hell scream doesn't either.

Yes they do ;)

[Tsarra]

or possibly just base damage carrying over to skills that don't actually do damage themselves.

This is probably the safest bet.

[Militaryman]

Beckon does......

[SeVeNSiNs]

Heal does damage also, and revive kills bosses

[Otukura]

Heal does damage also, and revive kills bosses

Can't tell if this is sarcasm....

[Luchta]

Heal does damage also, and revive kills bosses

Also saw a bird stuck halfway inside an mage's mana shield.

[DontNerfMeBro]

Bit of a late observation, but has anyone else realized that nightmare and weakness also do damage?

I hadn't noticed, but I KNEW I liked Nightmare for more than it's face value! Any idea how much? Can you compare it to something?

[Royce]

I hadn't noticed, but I KNEW I liked Nightmare for more than it's face value! Any idea how much? Can you compare it to something?

The damage all these skills do is fairly minimal, and only really penetrates armor (goes over min damage) when you try it on low level mobs. That's one reason I wonder if it might simply be base damage contributing to all mob-targeting skills, even debuffs which themselves don't have a damage component.

[Ricey]

Good to see this confirmed, I wondered whether they were doing damage but wasn't sure!

[MoonYeol]

The damage all these skills do is fairly minimal, and only really penetrates armor (goes over min damage) when you try it on low level mobs. That's one reason I wonder if it might simply be base damage contributing to all mob-targeting skills, even debuffs which themselves don't have a damage component.

The damage is actually worth mentioning. whether it is stat driven or weapon damage dependent will have to be tested. thorn wall and beckon both do unmentioned damage. as do the debuffs. so someone go and test with and without weapon. thorn wall penetrates ao2 mobs' armor thats for sure.

[noobmigo]

I got 200 dmg crit on a alien in ao3. Without buff in FH it's usualy about 100 dmg for me.

[Norbert]

Beckon is actually pretty good when raged. I think the others could be tested pretty easily by going to somewhere like the desert in ao3 and just using nightmare and seeing what damage occurs.