Near to Quitting

[Jaded459]

I have had an account with spacetime for nearly 2 years. Played for a few months..saved up about 75 locked..bought the platinum..opened and voila..nothing!! Leave game for oh nearly a year..come back and once again have opened nearly 75 more locked half of which were opened on the 2x weekend that ends today and you can guess the results...NOTHING!! Spacetime im tired of grinding your game and spending money when i cant get even a mythic or arcane...you oughta quit treating ppl like this! Im not rich ingame and dont really wanna be but would like a reason to stay and play. I have a few friends there that keep me playing but get your crap together and treat the ppl who support you a lil better!

So yeah many of you will read this and say oh quit griping..but im sure you have felt this way at some point..all the way up to when u finally got your mythic or arcane so dont be a hypocrite!!

Back to the game..

[CAK Vader]

You don't seem to understand that Arcanes cost up to 20m for a reason, because they're rare. Not because some guy decides to open a mere 75 locks, that would make them cheaper, a LOT cheaper...

[Pirate Captain]

Did you just blame sts for not guaranteeing good loot from your locked crates?

[Akatsuuki]

Just quit no more drama please lol it's like you bought a lotto ticket and you expect to win instantly:tranquillity:

[GoodSyntax]

So, you've played for a few months over two years, opened 150 locked crates, and you're wondering why you aren't decked out in all the top gear?

You do realize that people have opened thousands of crates and received very little in return? I, myself, have opened hundreds and hundreds of crates and never once received a single arcane item. It's gambling.....and when you gamble, the house ALWAYS wins.

If you would have sold all 150 locked crates that you opened (@10k each), you would have 1.5m and 2,250 plat right now. 1.5m is nearly enough for a mythic helm and armor. 2.2k plat is enough for 64 hours of Combo Elixirs. In that time, if you would have farmed aggressively, you probably would have made tens of millions off of the loot.

If you are raging over the <1% drop rate of mythics and the <0.5% drop rate of arcane items, I doubt you would receive much support here.

[Anarchist]

Spend that plat on ankhs.

[Titanfall]

I could go buy a 150 lotto tickets, and if I don't win I'm gonna go to the lotto company and curse at them because I won nothing. ^^

[Jaded459]

Ok..every time i turn around I'm meeting the luckiest people in the game? No less than 5 people have told me that they opened an amount of crates equalling less than the amount i have opened and magically got a mythic or arcane. I understand the numbers and youre prolly right about it..no i dont expect to be decked out with all the top gear or best pets..what im sayin is give a guy a lil friggin hope in actually finding something decent for himself. Guess my conundrum is bein around those who have gotten something..

Yes i have sold many locked too..did about 500k in a few days guess i should just be happy with that no?

[regizakirs.rs]

Jaded
I hate the locks also but, I know that it's a gamble. And it does seems like that everyone you run into seems to be a maxed a out player and the players have been where you are at one point or another. There's going to be hypocrites and you can't change it cause they've spent the money and got the item. It's human nature man. Just sell the locks, farm, save, eventually you'll get whatever your trying to get. It's tedious but not impossible[emoji12]

[GoodSyntax]

Ok..every time i turn around I'm meeting the luckiest people in the game? No less than 5 people have told me that they opened an amount of crates equalling less than the amount i have opened and magically got a mythic or arcane. I understand the numbers and youre prolly right about it..no i dont expect to be decked out with all the top gear or best pets..what im sayin is give a guy a lil friggin hope in actually finding something decent for himself. Guess my conundrum is bein around those who have gotten something..

Yes i have sold many locked too..did about 500k in a few days guess i should just be happy with that no?

500k in a few days is a very solid rate of income! Even if you can only sustain 200k a week, in a few months you WILL be able to buy some of the best gear in game.

Personally, given my experience, it is easier to farm and make money to buy, than it is to play the roulette odds on locked crates. Sure, some people do get lucky, in fact, many do. But at least farming is reliable and can be counted on.

If you are a savvy player, farm and merch. These two in combination is what gets many, many players into that top tier.

Frankly, it is better to be someone that earned it, than someone who got lucky. At least for me, it is more satisfying to earn it. I have run with countless "top geared" players that I think would be better off farming Jarl and KM3, because they simply are incapable of running elites. Earn it, and you will be one of those players that I say, "Damn, he's really good! Especially for an undergeared player!"

I have thrown more than one mythic set at players of this caliber...

[Appeltjes]

Lol I opened 500+ locks for one useless mythic...

[Ssneakykills]

How can you call that a grind opening locks

[Pillowhead]

Arcane Legends is not just about lockeds, so if you are leaving because you lost you plats, think about that it was your decision to open them

[Candylicks]

I got arcane in my first 30 locked I ever opened. Hope this helps.

[Reconstruction]

It does candy it gives me hope!

[Serancha]

They just deleted one of these childish threads and now another pops up. It's like a recurring nightmare about the entitlement generation.....

[regizakirs.rs]

They just deleted one of these childish threads and now another pops up. It's like a recurring nightmare about the entitlement generation.....
I wouldn't call it entitlement Serancha. It's the player wants to get something good in return which is totally understandable. A person spends real money and gets nothing in return us quite infuriating let's be honest. You must be one of those who have looted something rare lol. (No offense and not trying to pick at you)[emoji4]

[mlb2005]

They just deleted one of these childish threads and now another pops up. It's like a recurring nightmare about the entitlement generation.....

I have to disagree about this being an entitlement generation issue. I think people want some kind of return on their money spent. If you spend 90 bucks on a game you should get something even if its not what you wanted. This game is dying for a reason.

Let people get items and keep updating your game with new items to keep things moving. Ridiculous drop rates and people using 31/36 gear when the level cap is 41 is a weak system. There are ways for them to make money without straight robbing people.

[Energizeric]

There are plenty of things you can buy with plat, but some players choose to gamble. That is their decision. There is a reason why arcane items cost millions of gold. Take a loot at the plat to gold exchange rate and then figure out how much plat it would take to be able to buy an arcane item. Well that is probably how many crates worth of plat it would take to open to get one. That is the economics of the game. If the items were more common, then the price would be lower.

[GoodSyntax]

Gambling is gambling, whether it is in a game, on the lottery or in a Casino. To expect a return while gambling is silly.

I do agree that the current system leaves a lot to be desired. I posted my thoughts on how it can be improved here: http://www.spacetimestudios.com/showthread.php?189732-Locked-Crates-Always-10-Plat-Each!&p=1937194#post1937194

[mlb2005]

Gambling is gambling, whether it is in a game, on the lottery or in a Casino. To expect a return while gambling is silly.

I do agree that the current system leaves a lot to be desired. I posted my thoughts on how it can be improved here: http://www.spacetimestudios.com/showthread.php?189732-Locked-Crates-Always-10-Plat-Each!&p=1937194#post1937194

Does sts have a license for gambling and is there an age limit to play this game? I don't think so and you should get a return on your money. Raising the lowest gold amount to 15k would be a good start.

I read your post and agree that would improve things drastically. If the game was set up properly you should be able to pug all day in elite maps. Currently they are dead and its an obvious indication that the game is broken. Question is does sts really care about it?

[obee]

Got a Hammerjaw on 4 locks. It's luck man. In the next 70, I looted 5 mythic armors. Last year. How about farming for gear, and working for it? Since you quit, you couldn't do that. Money doesn't come easily.

[obee]

Does sts have a license for gambling and is there an age limit to play this game? I don't think so and you should get a return on your money. Raising the lowest gold amount to 15k would be a good start.

I read your post and agree that would improve things drastically. If the game was set up properly you should be able to pug all day in elite maps. Currently they are dead and its an obvious indication that the game is broken. Question is does sts really care about it?
Raising it to 15k would be a nightmare. So much gold would be circulating through the market, it'd be like plat farmers again. Also, if I get gold every time for 3 locks, which cost normally 18k (not right now). 15k*3*3=135k since you get 3 2k golds normally when you open locks. People wouldn't care about arcanes.

[mlb2005]

Raising it to 15k would be a nightmare. So much gold would be circulating through the market, it'd be like plat farmers again. Also, if I get gold every time for 3 locks, which cost normally 18k (not right now). 15k*3*3=135k since you get 3 2k golds normally when you open locks. People wouldn't care about arcanes.

You can trade 1 plat for 1000 gold and it costs 15 plat to open a locked. If you open 10 you would at least get 150k. That's not unreasonable in my opinion. You still have to give sts money to open those locked and cash in on the gold.

Now with plat farmers it could get out of hand but they supposedly took care of that.

[Jaded459]

Well, i appreciate all the input both good and bad. I have resigned myself to take some of the advice seen here and be happy with it. Ill not buy anymore platinum and just farm lockeds and sell them.

Thanks folks!

[Allocate]

Your first mistake: Spending money on this game!

Your second mistake: Spending money on this game!

Your third mistake: Spending money on this game!

This game looks good but the monetary elements are completely trash! Its an MMO with a casino slots machine feature and unfortunately its the way to get ahead in this game and have all the goodies.

You should always ask "Is this tiny pixel worth it?", in my opinion, it is absolutely not worth it especially how limited this game is, how redone/reused a lot of items are and how everything is always being changed (buffs/nerfs) this company does not deserve any money. They can't do things right the first time and are always, always screwing up everyone's fun.

Yes they have to make money but not like this. I don't support this kind of business, I'll play it cause its free and it is a good game to mess around in/ meet new friends but no way an I even dumping a single cent. My wallet is closed.

[obee]

You can trade 1 plat for 1000 gold and it costs 15 plat to open a locked. If you open 10 you would at least get 150k. That's not unreasonable in my opinion. You still have to give sts money to open those locked and cash in on the gold.

Now with plat farmers it could get out of hand but they supposedly took care of that.
People open 100+ usually. Too much gold circulating. I'd like maybe 5k as the lowest.

[Sdbigdaddy]

Well, i appreciate all the input both good and bad. I have resigned myself to take some of the advice seen here and be happy with it. Ill not buy anymore platinum and just farm lockeds and sell them.

Thanks folks!

Smart choices. Unfortunately, this is how the game is set up. It's kinda sad people have to go through the feeling of "emptiness" (like when you lose your money in a casino) to cure yourself of ever gambling on a lock again.

[Serancha]

I wouldn't call it entitlement Serancha. It's the player wants to get something good in return which is totally understandable. A person spends real money and gets nothing in return us quite infuriating let's be honest. You must be one of those who have looted something rare lol. (No offense and not trying to pick at you)[emoji4]

I went a year and a half before finding anything "good" in a crate. That means well over 1000 crates (several times that, in fact). So yes, someone announcing "I'm going to quit because I got nothing in 75 crates after not playing for 2 years" sounds a lot like entitlement.

[obee]

And the most annoying thing in crates (other than 2k gold), are these crappy legendary items. Worth practically nothing, but they always seem to come in my locks.

[regizakirs.rs]

I went a year and a half before finding anything "good" in a crate. That means well over 1000 crates (several times that, in fact). So yes, someone announcing "I'm going to quit because I got nothing in 75 crates after not playing for 2 years" sounds a lot like entitlement.
Touche [emoji106]

[Arrowz]

Why did they have to make this game so much different from pocket legends? I played PL pvp at the lvl 66 cap and it was a very enjoyable experience. In PL all the best endgame gear comes from boss drops so the only way to earn them is FARMING. Now where this game went wrong is that the way to "earn" endgame gear is by GAMBLING. Sure you can get the best gear in arcane legends by farming but the difference is that in Pocket legends i was able to get a full set of the best endgame gear through 2 months of farming whenever i could. And that was only to buy 4 items. Playing as often as i did back then, i could maybe get an elon bow in 2 months of farming in this game. And to even be able to farm it is a huge gold drain and you need some of the good gear already to be able to even run elites where as in pocket legends i was using items that were for lvl 60s. And wtf are these ankhs? In pocket legends mages could just revive you. Simple. Perfect example of how sts has drifted far far away from free to play. The one reason pocket legends endgame was so fun for me and endgame in arcane legends just isn't, pocket legends was TRULY FREE TO PLAY. This game however, completely different. Sts has become a company of money-hungry hogs trying to suck every cent they can out of their community. This is why i have resorted myself to twink lvls because i can still have that enjoyable pvp experience without spending hundreds of dollars. Like allocate said, my wallet is closed.

[obee]

Why did they have to make this game so much different from pocket legends? I played PL pvp at the lvl 66 cap and it was a very enjoyable experience. In PL all the best endgame gear comes from boss drops so the only way to earn them is FARMING. Now where this game went wrong is that the way to "earn" endgame gear is by GAMBLING. Sure you can get the best gear in arcane legends by farming but the difference is that in Pocket legends i was able to get a full set of the best endgame gear through 2 months of farming whenever i could. And that was only to buy 4 items. Playing as often as i did back then, i could maybe get an elon bow in 2 months of farming in this game. And to even be able to farm it is a huge gold drain and you need some of the good gear already to be able to even run elites where as in pocket legends i was using items that were for lvl 60s. And wtf are these ankhs? In pocket legends mages could just revive you. Simple. Perfect example of how sts has drifted far far away from free to play. The one reason pocket legends endgame was so fun for me and endgame in arcane legends just isn't, pocket legends was TRULY FREE TO PLAY. This game however, completely different. Sts has become a company of money-hungry hogs trying to suck every cent they can out of their community. This is why i have resorted myself to twink lvls because i can still have that enjoyable pvp experience without spending hundreds of dollars. Like allocate said, my wallet is closed.
It's because pocket legends wasn't profitable for STS.

[Xeusx]

OMG. How many times I have to tell you it's just a luck? So you expect an arcane item to come out easily? Sound like you don't understand the meaning of arcane rarity.

[ArcaneCreed]

I have had an account with spacetime for nearly 2 years. Played for a few months..saved up about 75 locked..bought the platinum..opened and voila..nothing!! Leave game for oh nearly a year..come back and once again have opened nearly 75 more locked half of which were opened on the 2x weekend that ends today and you can guess the results...NOTHING!! Spacetime im tired of grinding your game and spending money when i cant get even a mythic or arcane...you oughta quit treating ppl like this! Im not rich ingame and dont really wanna be but would like a reason to stay and play. I have a few friends there that keep me playing but get your crap together and treat the ppl who support you a lil better!

So yeah many of you will read this and say oh quit griping..but im sure you have felt this way at some point..all the way up to when u finally got your mythic or arcane so dont be a hypocrite!!

Back to the game..

I'm going to have to agree with him. "2x chance to win" still has the same odds as previously. A fellow poster on here mentioned he wasted 800 plats. That's a lot. Who knows when double platinum offers will roll around again on trial pay. All I know is I myself ended up with one mythic useful for my rogue after 150 crates open during this promotion. Every choice has a consequence and every choice has a reward. I stopped buying crates altogether but investing in egg purchases to stock them up on the auction after the limited time only fades away, they will be sky rocketed.

There is nothing wrong with constructive criticism. Welcome to gaming industry of gamer rant, expect players to speak up. Hype advertisement seems to be ... indulging a lot of players lately in the marketing industry.

[chinita_doll]

it's just a matter of perseverance. i may not have the best gear in this game but i think i have a decent one to survive. i'm full mythic (with lvl 41 weapon..got my helm, armor, blood and fang during the level 31 cap and they were more expensive back then, and yes i also got a mythic bow during that time), has 3 mythic pets, and i have a steel commando set as a vanity. i got all of these without spending a single penny on this game. i just farm and it always gives me pride to say "i worked hard for all of these". right now i'm working to get the new mythic amulet and hopefully an arcane pet. based on stories, observations and personal experience, there are only 2 ways to get ahead of this game...be a big spender, or be a hard worker. hope this will inspire and help you somehow :)

[Xorrior]

Opening locks cannot be classed as gambling. STS allowing 12 year olds to gamble is illegal. Games of chance using real money is classed as gambling.*

I know a bit about this because, I used to be involved in an open sim game (second life) and casino type games and sploders where prevalent. Then a U.S law was passed regarding games of chance. All of a sudden anything to do with winning stuff via real money based upon chance was taken out a.s.a.p. The law may have changed since then, but I know for sure 12 year olds are not allowed to gamble and thus people calling opening locks a gambling game could be putting STS in jeopardy. Under 18's play this game, I know this as I received an infraction due to my adult humour and an excerpt was quoted saying something about 12 year olds plus playing the game.

And yes these kids do open locked crates at 15 plat a pop, with either pocket money, iTunes vouchers or daddy's credit card. Hence opening lockeds cannot be classified as gambling.

http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Linden_Lab_Official:Policy_Regarding_Wagering_in_S econd_Life

*There is a grey area regarding winning items of no real value but I'm not sure, and maybe STS falls into this category.

[GoodSyntax]

Opening locks cannot be classed as gambling. STS allowing 12 year olds to gamble is illegal. Games of chance using real money is classed as gambling.*

I know a bit about this because, I used to be involved in an open sim game (second life) and casino type games and sploders where prevalent. Then a U.S law was passed regarding games of chance. All of a sudden anything to do with winning stuff via real money based upon chance was taken out a.s.a.p. The law may have changed since then, but I know for sure 12 year olds are not allowed to gamble and thus people calling opening locks a gambling game could be putting STS in jeopardy. Under 18's play this game, I know this as I received an infraction due to my adult humour and an excerpt was quoted saying something about 12 year olds plus playing the game.

And yes these kids do open locked crates at 15 plat a pop, with either pocket money, iTunes vouchers or daddy's credit card. Hence opening lockeds cannot be classified as gambling.

http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Linden_Lab_Official:Policy_Regarding_Wagering_in_S econd_Life

*There is a grey area regarding winning items of no real value but I'm not sure, and maybe STS falls into this category.


You are correct, in that online gambling is age restricted (and in most cases prohibited) in the US.

However, with Platinum as a layer of abstraction between real currency and virtual, and with the return being completely virtual (non-convertible), this doesn't qualify as Gambling per the law.

However, I call a spade a spade. You don't open a Locked Crate to get 6k, you open to get an Arcane or Mythic, thereby gambling on the contents. Legally, I know this practice is common and legit; however, in practice, I am not a fan. I would much prefer a subscription based game instead of indirect gambling.

[Devaux]

Is it seriously that low of a percentage?

[Brownback]

Your first mistake: Spending money on this game!

Your second mistake: Spending money on this game!

Your third mistake: Spending money on this game!

This game looks good but the monetary elements are completely trash! Its an MMO with a casino slots machine feature and unfortunately its the way to get ahead in this game and have all the goodies.

You should always ask "Is this tiny pixel worth it?", in my opinion, it is absolutely not worth it especially how limited this game is, how redone/reused a lot of items are and how everything is always being changed (buffs/nerfs) this company does not deserve any money. They can't do things right the first time and are always, always screwing up everyone's fun.

Yes they have to make money but not like this. I don't support this kind of business, I'll play it cause its free and it is a good game to mess around in/ meet new friends but no way an I even dumping a single cent. My wallet is closed.

His fourth mistake?
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[ArcaneCreed]

It's because pocket legends wasn't profitable for STS.

I'm really not surprised you could be a dev yourself replying to defend a corporation. Kinda like with reddit members who had their own Destiny employee doing the same thing and was caught red handed leaking valuable and open minded information. STS profits are good and information on profit margin is available on government human resources.

Luck or not, those crates are advertised to hype players hoping to get something good. Odd/chance = gambling. Spend certain amount of x plats to have a % chance of getting something value. Gambling, is still gambling involving odds & variables.

[Ellysius]

I like reading your whining about subjects like this.
Well,if i'm able to have 2 full mythic toons and few milions besides that and the fact that i never opened locks gives you a pretty clear picture that you can acomplish the same thing i did.
You just gotta farm and take adventage of the events (i make few milions per event) and that's it.
Also the mythics have a funny price now,so it's much easier to do what i did...
Kalizzaa is inspirational and motivating,read to his stuff like i did lol

[Ellysius]

P.s.
Try to play for fun,cause no one does it anymore

[Allocate]

Exactly play it for fun because it is and can be. However, is it worth spending money on? Nope.

[Arpluvial]

Hey guys!

I have cleaned up the thread. Let's remember to keep things constructive and friendly. :)