Superhero question

[Pirate Captain]

Can anyone think of a superhero more powerful than Dr. Manhattan from Watchmen?

[LEVEL ONE]

His only weakness are tachyons, which block his ability to see into the future. But even without that, he is unbeatable. We also never really get to see the limit of his power, like at what range and in what quantities he can manipulate matter on sub-atomic levels, and it seems the answer to both is that there is no limit.

It is also worth mentioning that such powerful superheroes usually hold their powers back for the sake of their loved ones, or because of their moral standards which Dr. Manhattan, at the end of the comics/film, does not seem to have anymore.

I am sure there are other über-beings that are invincible, but as far as my superhero fanboy-ism goes, Dr. Manhattan is invincible as well.

Edit: Actually, anyone with the ability of time travel could go back in time before Osterman became the "American God" and simply eliminate him?

Edit 2: Another problem is that apparently anyone in the Watchmen universe could potentially become as powerful as he is, if he has a high enough IQ, knows how to "assemble stuff" and throws himself into one of those "intrinsic field experiment test chambers". Since Dr. Manhattan is not an omnipresent being he would not know about the existance of the other guy who is now as poweful as he is, and the other guy could hunt him down?

Maybe Elsa could stun him by singing "Let it go" and then freeze him to zero Kelvin.

[Enduvial]

He didn't ask for a book report xD

[LEVEL ONE]

He didn't ask for a book report xD

Whoops... I just get really passionate about things that don't matter when I should be focusing on things that do.

[Pirate Captain]

They could hunt him down but idk if he can even take damage, never thought about the time travel option before that's probably the only way.

[Suentous PO]

I'm not into men in tights kind of superheroes unless it's Alan Moore 's but i'm a big fan of "preacher".
The Saintof Killers first kill was the devil. His last kill was God.

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[CrimsonTider]

Superman. Considering Krypton was obliterated, and he has the only known specimens of Kryptonite, he is also "technically" invincible. He is also my childhood favorite, so tread lightly. :)

Since the subject is brought up, is the Incredible Hulk invincible? I don't recall any true weaknesses or situations which could kill him. Then there is the whole Wolverine discussion. I mean, he self regenerates and has a skeletal system made of Admentium, or Vibranium... I always get confused and too lazy to look it up.

[CrimsonTider]

Wait... Forgot about the likes of Quicksilver and The Flash. They are faster than anything and could dodge any attacks. I mean, couldn't Quicksilver run so fast he could travel in time?

[Suentous PO]

I do remember wolverine dying (& being resurrected) in one storyline so he wasn't invincible.
Hulk, I seem to remember him loosing the ability to remain the hulk and then Bruce was all squishy but then again I never read any, only watched that cheesy Lue Farigno 70's live action series.

And sorry holmes, Dr. Manhattan has subatomic control, even if there was no ktyptonite, he could assemble it atom by atom.

Not sure about flash, physics state that speed could make time slow, but reverse entropy?!? Idk bout that.

[CruelBlaster]

Superman. Considering Krypton was obliterated, and he has the only known specimens of Kryptonite, he is also "technically" invincible. He is also my childhood favorite, so tread lightly. :)

Since the subject is brought up, is the Incredible Hulk invincible? I don't recall any true weaknesses or situations which could kill him. Then there is the whole Wolverine discussion. I mean, he self regenerates and has a skeletal system made of Admentium, or Vibranium... I always get confused and too lazy to look it up.
Adamantium :D

But the thing about Wolverine is that he is definitely not invincible, there are many things that can kill him. Magnetized bullets, magnets in general mainly. Magneto could completely control him. Make him stab himself, rip his body apart, etc.

Also beheading works :D

[Pirate Captain]

Dr. Manhattan could do the same thing to flash as he did to Rorschach (rip). I'll read up on the preacher tomorrow I've never heard of him.
Can the hulk drown?

[Suentous PO]

If omnipotence and time travel are the only things you might bring effectively to counter dr M
Franklin Richards tho a child is omnipotent.
Wolverine was briefly omnipotent but relinquished it.
Parallax (green lantern) absolute power, and also once had the ability to time travel.

Dark Phoenix (Jean gray)

Deathlok- time travel
Guardians of the galaxy's original line up time travel.
Ooh, research reveals flash did time travel.
Cable- oh hmm ty wiki didn't know that.

Superboy- lol says time traveled, so I guess superman might stand a chance against dr M. after all!

[Suentous PO]

Dr. Manhattan could do the same thing to flash as he did to Rorschach (rip). I'll read up on the preacher tomorrow I've never heard of him.
Can the hulk drown?

Preacher is the name of the series, Saint of killers is the guy who can't die and can literally kill anything.
Also ppl who are easily offended should stay away, "mature" subject mater lol

Oh I forgot my anime Akira- omnipotent god child (&the little girl from Domu)

[KingFu]

Superman. Considering Krypton was obliterated, and he has the only known specimens of Kryptonite, he is also "technically" invincible. He is also my childhood favorite, so tread lightly. :)

Which he entrusts Batman with (assuming we're speaking of the same instance), who secretly has an entire vault of the stuff. Not to mention, many characters can reconstruct Kryptonite, Green Lantern even has before, and Firestorm. Also, his powers are reliant on a yellow sun. Deprive him of that radiation, and he's powerless.


Wait... Forgot about the likes of Quicksilver and The Flash. They are faster than anything and could dodge any attacks. I mean, couldn't Quicksilver run so fast he could travel in time?

Flash has access to the speed force and can alter past, present, and future (see Flashpoint). Theoretically he wields the most power, since he can, uh, deplete your existence. Not too knowledgable on Quicksilver, but Flash has displayed far more power than Quicksilver, and most agree he's the stronger, and faster of the two.

Hypothetical superhero battles, although fun, are entirely debatable subjects. You really can't arrive to a definitive answer, since there have been so many variations/interpretations of so many characters, especially with one like Superman. Over the course of over 75 years, there has been a ton of story arcs you could easily reference to both fortify, and entirely disprove any argument.

[Boramiir]

Hulk vs Superman.

Nuff said.

[CrimsonTider]

I said to tread lightly on the Superman topic.... I refuse to listen to any logic as he is the greatest. Heck, he made the Earth revolve backwards to save Lois. (I never got into comics so not sure if this accurate or movie based. Doesn't matter, he boss!) :)

I just had a coworker introduce me to Marvel Unlimited on the iPad so I plan on spending Christmas break doing some reading. Any suggested storyline to begin with?

[CrimsonTider]

Oops...

[KingFu]

I said to tread lightly on the Superman topic.... I refuse to listen to any logic as he is the greatest. Heck, he made the Earth revolve backwards to save Lois. (I never got into comics so not sure if this accurate or movie based. Doesn't matter, he boss!) :)

I just had a coworker introduce me to Marvel Unlimited on the iPad so I plan on spending Christmas break doing some reading. Any suggested storyline to begin with?

I'd recommend Infinity Gauntlet, and Civil War. Both are considered to be some of the greatest Marvel arcs out there, but I especially recommend them as they're going to be installments into the Marvel Cinematic Universe in the near future. (Infinity Gauntlet in Avengers 3, Civil War in Captain America 3).

Also, I haven't read it myself, but I've heard amazing things about the current Amazing Spiderman run, as well as the Hawkeye run, not sure if either interest you.

I'm more versed in the DC side of things, so if you're looking for more information, ComicVine is a pretty good place to start, as it's one of the better comic book forums.

[CrimsonTider]

I'd recommend Infinity Gauntlet, and Civil War. Both are considered to be some of the greatest Marvel arcs out there, but I especially recommend them as they're going to be installments into the Marvel Cinematic Universe in the near future. (Infinity Gauntlet in Avengers 3, Civil War in Captain America 3).

Also, I haven't read it myself, but I've heard amazing things about the current Amazing Spiderman run, as well as the Hawkeye run, not sure if either interest you.

I'm more versed in the DC side of things, so if you're looking for more information, ComicVine is a pretty good place to start, as it's one of the better comic book forums.

I need to go through the App Store to see if DC has a comic-based app like Marvel does. I started reading the first Captain America's after Winter Soldier came out as I got confused on the storyline. I will finish his then move to the Civil War stuff since it will all make more sense.

Back on topic... Since Thor, Loki, Odin, Thundra, and others are considered "Gods" wouldn't they technically be the "strongest"? Tawk amoungst youwselves. :)

[Suentous PO]

Odin is killed by the fenrir wolf, Thor dies due to Jormigundr, and Loki even though he's half giant half god dies along the rest during ragnaroc.
None sound all that impressive, even disregarding my godkiller. Admittedly Preacher isn't a superhero type comic, nor Akira.

[KingFu]

I need to go through the App Store to see if DC has a comic-based app like Marvel does. I started reading the first Captain America's after Winter Soldier came out as I got confused on the storyline. I will finish his then move to the Civil War stuff since it will all make more sense.

Back on topic... Since Thor, Loki, Odin, Thundra, and others are considered "Gods" wouldn't they technically be the "strongest"? Tawk amoungst youwselves. :)

They have an app, but they don't have a subscription service. At least, last I checked.

Yeah, some people consider Thor to be the one to beat. Marvel literally brought him in as a character so he could overpower whatever they needed him to. Think deus ex machina. It's hard to say with Thor though, since there's both his comic book interpretation, and his Norse mythos to go off of.

Also worth mentioning that Wonder Woman is a greek god as well now, so that would definitely put her into the mix.

[Suentous PO]

Oddly reading the comics for Thor got me into Norse culture, the original writers mostly stayed true to the Poetic Edda.
However in the comics Thor is defeated twice by Beta Ray Bill.

But then again I just did this...

Hypothetical superhero battles, although fun, are entirely debatable subjects. You really can't arrive to a definitive answer, since there have been so many variations/interpretations of so many characters, especially with one like Superman. Over the course of over 75 years, there has been a ton of story arcs you could easily reference to both fortify, and entirely disprove any argument.

[Slant]

Santa Claus from xmen is pretty powerful, officially the most powerful mutant in fact.
Wolverine and Superman... cant make multiple copies of themselves, and travel anywhere in time, or manipulate reality. And if only Wolverine had a better memory lol.

in Terry Gilliam's version of watchmen, the ending was Ozymandias convinces Manhattan to go back in time and prevent the accident from happening which results in an alternate time-line where Nite Owl, Silk Spectre and Rorschach end up cosplaying themselves instead of being the superheroes

Silver Surfer is powerful too, perhaps more powerful than Manhattan

[LEVEL ONE]

Back on topic... Since Thor, Loki, Odin, Thundra, and others are considered "Gods" wouldn't they technically be the "strongest"? Tawk amoungst youwselves. :)

Even Ironman fought Thor and gave him a hard time.

Another thing,
I just watched Watchmen yesterday (ultimate cut edition: 3:30 runtime) and it is stated that Dr. Manhattan had several encounters (battles, conflicts) with Moloch, who is just a regular human. Now, I didnt read the prequel comics yet and I dont know if they are considered canon, but if Moloch was a match for Dr. Manhattan, maybe he is not that powerful afterall? Or maybe he was a real pacifist back then and tried to resolve those conflicts in a peaceful way? I don't know...

Also, about the limits of his powers. It is not directly stated, but rather implied that Dr. Manhattan is always in a learning process. Like when he was assembling himself the first time it took him weeks, probably months to get it right and the second time it took him just a minute. He is also less and less interested in Earth and life on it because he literally can not understand it. It is yet too complicated for him, that is why he leaves Earth to create life from the start, on its own, in order to understand it. So even with his "limitless" powers he always grows stronger, which is something to consider.

[CrimsonTider]

They have an app, but they don't have a subscription service. At least, last I checked.

Yeah, some people consider Thor to be the one to beat. Marvel literally brought him in as a character so he could overpower whatever they needed him to. Think deus ex machina. It's hard to say with Thor though, since there's both his comic book interpretation, and his Norse mythos to go off of.

Also worth mentioning that Wonder Woman is a greek god as well now, so that would definitely put her into the mix.

I downloaded the DC app last night and it is not nearly as impressive as Marvel United. I haven't decided if I will get into it enough for it to be worth the $9.99 subscription. (Convincing the wife to keep my Rivals.com subscription is hard enough. :/)

I forgot about Wonder Woman. I am old enough to have watched the original series when I was younger, but that is about all I know about her.

@Sue.... Stop killing my childhood dreams! :upset: I guess the next thing you are going to tell me is Bat-man is only a human with supercool toys.

[kjed]

The infamous SILVER SURFER!
#nuffsaid

[KingFu]

I downloaded the DC app last night and it is not nearly as impressive as Marvel United. I haven't decided if I will get into it enough for it to be worth the $9.99 subscription. (Convincing the wife to keep my Rivals.com subscription is hard enough. :/)

I forgot about Wonder Woman. I am old enough to have watched the original series when I was younger, but that is about all I know about her.

Yeah, hopefully they'll improve upon it in the near future. I wouldn't be surprised if they do, since they'll probably want new readers to have more accessible methods with DC's cinematic universe taking full launch. I'm more physical than digital though, so I just get trades off Amazon for about $10 a pop.

Oh yeah, Lynda Carter is tops. I've seen quite a few, never the one with Deacon Jones guest starring though. I'll need to keep an eye out for it. Oh, and 66' Batman just recently released as box seasons. I know you're not that old, but might interest you.

[CrimsonTider]

I watched the old Batman's after school everyday when I was in elementary school (always followed by The Monkees). However, they were reruns. The Greatest American Hero is my all-time favorite, though.