What am I doing wrong? Rogue question

[ArcaneCreed]

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So, why am I not one shot'ing these players when they probably have tap HP (or possible armor upgrade max) at 2-5k stacking with high damage moves? There's a player by the name a nekat & "Iamnumbertwo" who were one shot'ing me with DPS 430 & crit only at 34%, hp 2000<less, and armor 1200> +. Why am I not taking these people down?

[Appeltjes]

Aimed shot it's dmg output is based on dmg not dps, I suggest grabbing a bow for that and not daggers:).

I guess you do have the 250% dmg on crit upgrade?

[Arrowz]

Maybe u are just unlucky and you never crit. With gear like that it should be easy

[Soundlesskill]

Get 5/5 DEX, INT, STR and crit to the rest. Aimed shot, nox, piercer and packs.

[- Samdegreat]

Try using a bow instead of hooks at level 38 lol

[Kingofninjas]

Lol arcane hooks don't cut it at lvl 38. Use a better weapon.

[Arrowz]

Try using twin razors

[ArcaneCreed]

Lol arcane hooks don't cut it at lvl 38. Use a better weapon.


Try using a bow instead of hooks at level 38 lol

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So, you'd use a weapon with much worse stats than a better stats weapon?

[UndeadJudge]

Lol. Look at that enormous damage increase, there's no way that it's worse at all.

Just buy yourself some 36 mythic daggers. They're better in every way.

[ArcaneCreed]

Lol. Look at that enormous damage increase, there's no way that it's worse at all.

Just buy yourself some 36 mythic daggers. They're better in every way.

You know, it'd be better to actually educate readers than sarcastically telling me why it's "better in every way". I would not part my hooks for just one stat area increase out of everything else.

[Arrowz]

You know, it'd be better to actually educate readers than sarcastically telling me why it's "better in every way". I would not part my hooks for just one stat area increase out of everything else.

1. He wasnt sarcastic at all
2. Twin razorbacks are better than hooks
3. Why arent u using combat medic? Thats why you are losing, you have no healing
4. Dps doesnt matter at all, dmg does. A 40 dmg increase for 30 less mana and 200 less health is worth it

[Arrowz]

Also try a better pet like slag, hj, or glacian

[ArcaneCreed]

Also try a better pet like slag, hj, or glacian


1. He wasnt sarcastic at all
2. Twin razorbacks are better than hooks
3. Why arent u using combat medic? Thats why you are losing, you have no healing
4. Dps doesnt matter at all, dmg does. A 40 dmg increase for 30 less mana and 200 less health is worth it

Your terrible idea will be tried and will fail. Also, I do own Glacian, Slag is a terrible pet choice stats pet for Rogue.

[Bless]

I feel sorry for every single person that replied to this thread. They wasted 2 minutes of their life trying to help a rude and ignorant guy.

If you ask for help, at least try the suggested build out. Combat medic is your heal, it is not optional.

[Aziiii]

im not sure i understand what do u want....if you want pve then veil is a good choise, as for pvp you need packs.Bows have more dmg....and u need dmg, a dead rogue is a no dmg rogue. I personaly dont kile daggers because of there close range. Glacian is an awesome pet if you learn to use him right, same as for slag.....

i think u need to explore what u like more and decide whats best for you :) have fun

[ArcaneCreed]

im not sure i understand what do u want....if you want pve then veil is a good choise, as for pvp you need packs.Bows have more dmg....and u need dmg, a dead rogue is a no dmg rogue. I personaly dont kile daggers because of there close range. Glacian is an awesome pet if you learn to use him right, same as for slag.....

i think u need to explore what u like more and decide whats best for you :) have fun

You can be a great damage dealer with/without the glacian. It's not required but it'd be nice to have, granted.


I feel sorry for every single person that replied to this thread. They wasted 2 minutes of their life trying to help a rude and ignorant guy.

If you ask for help, at least try the suggested build out. Combat medic is your heal, it is not optional.

I wasted my time replying to you, whadda ya know, yet here I am. I'm quite sorry for myself hearing awful answers. You see the stats, you see the build, so then you should see what's going on how my stats are landing 2-4k worth of hits in the order of aimed shot, noxious bolt, shadow piercer, & razor should be walking around with buttery kills, not getting killed but a lesser weaker stats player like what nekat had. I love how writers like yourself sees a disagreement and you like to claim "rude" & "ignorant" card on me. Welcome to the internet buddy, this is called a discussion. My opinion will differ from yours, and if you can't rationalize an explanation, insulting is the first sign of a lost argument or discussion.

We're not doing this, so I'm going to go ahead and continue the discussion with other people. However, you and I are done.

[Arrowz]

Your terrible idea will be tried and will fail. Also, I do own Glacian, Slag is a terrible pet choice stats pet for Rogue.

Is this why every time im against a glacian user i beat them with slag? Lmao. And ur the one using shadow veil instead of combat medic. How do u expect to pvp without heals? This is why you lose, and your using a lvl 26 item at lvl 38. One of my friends pvps at lvl 38 and he farms the lvl 40s all day. Hes using mythic ring, fang of fenrir, mythic armor and helm. Atleast you got thst right, and hes using twin razorbacks and samael. His stats are far better because hes using twin razorbacks. Also he knows how to build rogue and actually uses combat medic. So dont say other peoples ideas are terrible when YOU are the one complaining about losing and YOU are the one who doesnt know how to build a rogue and YOU are the one asking other people for help. So who is the real one with terrible ideas?

[Azageeber]

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So, why am I not one shot'ing these players when they probably have tap HP (or possible armor upgrade max) at 2-5k stacking with high damage moves? There's a player by the name a nekat & "Iamnumbertwo" who were one shot'ing me with DPS 430 & crit only at 34%, hp 2000<less, and armor 1200> +. Why am I not taking these people down?

1. It's not a good idea to use daggers on PvP (the only daggers useful on PvP are new mythics)
2. It's not a good idea to use a 26lvl weapon on 38lvl (I know it's arcane etc. but I think You'd better buy a legendary bow)
3. Bad skills&passives configuration

[CouchPass]

You can be a great damage dealer with/without the glacian. It's not required but it'd be nice to have, granted.



I wasted my time replying to you, whadda ya know, yet here I am. I'm quite sorry for myself hearing awful answers. You see the stats, you see the build, so then you should see what's going on how my stats are landing 2-4k worth of hits in the order of aimed shot, noxious bolt, shadow piercer, & razor should be walking around with buttery kills, not getting killed but a lesser weaker stats player like what nekat had. I love how writers like yourself sees a disagreement and you like to claim "rude" & "ignorant" card on me. Welcome to the internet buddy, this is called a discussion. My opinion will differ from yours, and if you can't rationalize an explanation, insulting is the first sign of a lost argument or discussion.

We're not doing this, so I'm going to go ahead and continue the discussion with other people. However, you and I are done.

Maybe you should thank them for TRYING to help you.

[UndeadJudge]

Since when was this a discussion? You asked for help, a couple of forum members and I gave you basically the exact same advice, and now you decide to disagree. This makes no sense, since you clearly realize that you are doing something wrong, as stated in your original post, and yet you sit here and argue (or as you like to call it, "discuss") that you are correct.

Maybe you can argue with yourself, that will be more productive than us trying to give solutions. And yes, now I'm being sarcastic.

[Arrowz]

Heres a life lesson, dont ask for advice if your going to disagree with everything people say

[ArcaneCreed]

Heres a life lesson, dont ask for advice if your going to disagree with everything people say

Can't be helped if it's bad advice. Aside from that, Zeus already provided me critical hard core information with pure clarity and crystal clear to improving PvP gear set, stats, and skills, so ty.

[Aziiii]

well yw then :))

[Anarchial]

Ya Zeus is awesome. Next time you want advice do us a favor and pm him directly in forums or game. That way others dont have to go through an ordeal of "discussing" with you. :)

[Freuzidicu]

Lmfao at this thread. It's obvious he didn't want help from those who know pvp. I'd suggest using Deary, totally op

[Madnex]

Is this a joke? No one's noticed he hasn't upgraded his mythics yet? First of all, get at least L40 if not L41. Then:

1. Upgrade mythic set to L36. Gem it too.
2. Sell the hooks and L31 bow and get L36 mythic daggers.
3. If you want to go PvP, move the four points from veil to combat medic.

Not that hard.

[Arrowz]

Is this a joke? No one's noticed he hasn't upgraded his mythics yet? First of all, get at least L40 if not L41. Then:

1. Upgrade mythic set to L36. Gem it too.
2. Sell the hooks and L31 bow and get L36 mythic daggers.
3. If you want to go PvP, move the four points from veil to combat medic.

Not that hard.

We already told him to use combat medic and apparently that constitutes as "bad advice". So like i said, dont ask for advice if your going to disagree with everything people say even when they are right and you are wrong

[Kingofninjas]

Up to you dude. Obviously if you think hooks are better than entangled bow you deserve to be farmed. I feel bad for people who farm you as they will probably be known as dummy farmers after the incident.
And try buying a level 38 expedition bow of potency or a lvl 36 nightmarish daggers.

[debitmandiri]

A rogue entering pvp without medic combat and prefering pick shadow veil ?

Man... this is made my day full of LOL

[Alhuntrazeck]

Is this a joke? No one's noticed he hasn't upgraded his mythics yet? First of all, get at least L40 if not L41. Then:

1. Upgrade mythic set to L36. Gem it too.
2. Sell the hooks and L31 bow and get L36 mythic daggers.
3. If you want to go PvP, move the four points from veil to combat medic.

Not that hard.

All I can say is...ain't nobody got yo eye.

They'd love you in Vegas...

[Imcarla]

Ugh, these kinds of forumers is what ruins the community. As your title was stated "What am i doing wrong?", you were asking us, the other forumers, to help you. Many answered and helped you build up your stats and enhance your gear setup. You reject them by saying their posts are useless? What a disgrace.

Maybe this thread wasn't to ask for help, maybe it was just to show off your stats. But people suggested to change some stuff. Then you started insulting everyone who disagreed with you.

I saw your other thread about what stuff you should buy for endgame. People helped you and i noticed you were being rude in your answers, but this, this was too much.

[Seonaskeh]

Sell hooks 4-4.5m, buy mythic helm, upgrade mythic to new mythic it does take time but it is well worth it, get twin razors, scorch isn't bad since it gives 12% crit. Respec to aim4/5, nox2/5, pierce 2/5, and combat medic5/5, 5/5 in passive that's ice str, int, and dex, then max crit passive with leftover use on armor, then when pvp always charge aim and use aim nox pierce combo. Sometimes you'll get lucky. Been in pvp since S1. Trust me it works.

[UndeadJudge]

5/5 aim...


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[Kingofninjas]

and 1/5 nox....

[arethrow]

Switch out veil for packs and hooks for razorbacks u will find hp wont decrease that much if not at all, my rogue has a good positive KDR packs is a huge life saver

[Doobiez]

I don't understand why people haven't realized this guy is a troll please stop giving him food 😒

[GoodSyntax]

As others have pointed out, there are numerous flaws with your build and gear.

Medic is a must in PvP. There really isn't a viable alternative. You need a heal and can't be purely reliant on others to heal you.

As a Scorch owner myself, I will tell you that he is a terrible pet. Good only for speed and crit, there are many other pets that will help more that this lame excuse of a mythic pet. The shield is useless, and secondary stat boosts are not present. Samael, Gyrm, heck, even Maliason are better alternatives.

DMG passive is completely useless in PvP. The way buff/debuff mechanics work, along with the fact that there is a global DMG Nerf means any %DMG increase is cancelled out by this global Nerf. This means %DMG from pets and passives are off the table.

Do not fall in love with DPS, it is a misleading statistic, since skill damage is based on DMG. +40 DMG from a bow means hundreds more damage on aimed shot. DMG is the stat you should be padding, not DPS. -100 HP for +40 DMG is a very good trade off.

Daggers, by their nature are melee weapons, which means you have to fight in the front lines for them to be effective, which means you can be targeted, which means you die. Bows mean kiting, which means you hide behind tanks, which mean you can't be targeted, which means you live and kill from a distance in relative safety.

Use level appropriate gear. This means at a minimum upgraded mythic helm and armor. You will want the added DMG, Crit and armor that they offer.

At your level, you should have a DMG stat in the low to mid 400s to be able to compete. Remember, you can potentially face off against lv40s in some cases. Level 41 players with high end gear will be packing 4k HP, mid-600 DMG, 1.5k armor, you can't compete against that as a lv38 player - it's just too much of a defecit to overcome. Level 40s will be slightly lower on armor and HP and probably packing DMG in the mid 500s.

[Litheus]

if u thinks u are stronger than players ur level n still can't defeat them then u dont have lack something called skills
u came here for advice...if u dont like it dont apply it...but u can atleast say thanks
u are an askhole...u ask seek advice but no use it

[Sabiee]

So who is the real one with terrible ideas?

Rofl

[Cata]

to the internet buddy, this is called a discussion. My opinion will differ from yours, and if you can't rationalize an explanation, insulting is the first sign of a lost argument or discussion.



People can't have opinions and you can, that's obviously fair. So if you ask for someone's opinion and they actually give constructive feedback and you just brush them of as imbecilic opinions, what's the point of asking anyway?
Back to the OP
The main things you are doing wrong are:
1) Arcane hooks don't work very well at lvl 38, if you can afford hooks I'm sure you would probably be able to afford Twin Razorbacks of Force which provide much higher stats than arcane hooks. If you're going low budget, an Entangled Bow Of Tactics would work fine too. Dps is near to useless for rogues as you'll rarely get a chance to use autoattack so dmg is the most important factor. The dmg bonus from the mythic bow provides you with much higher crit(I believe it's what you're concerned about). Also, you seem concerned about losing out on 200 hp and I'll say that at that lvl almost any attack will deal more than 200 dmg so it wouldn't matter too much.
2) Secondly, damage passives do not work in pvp for rogues if I'm not mistaken so removing the dmg passives and putting them in might, crit and armour passives will work wonders for you :) (rogues don't get any dmg bonuses in PvP from pet happiness and passives etc). Even if you do run the damage passives, im not sure if pet happiness bonuses will override them.mThe higher armour could also help you survive an additional attack with a tinge of hp for you to quickly heal yourself. Which brings me to the next point.
3) Combat Medic is a necessity for rogues as it is the only form of reliable recovery a rogue has. This is pretty much self explanatory as if your reflexes and positioning are right you can get to your packs (takes some playing with xD) after getting hit with a huge crit.
4) My last point is your gear. They seem fine but probably a better set such as full upgraded mythic would work much better.

Please do respect people on this forum, everyone is here to help each other out and even when we might sound overbearing, the main purpose of us here is to serve :)

Note: The Entangled Bow does not have "much worse" stats than arcane hooks. Would you rather kill a rogue in one combo or survive an autoattack? The answer is pretty clear for me :)

Have fun! The responses of everyone are extremely precise and spot on too so please do respect other :)

[Dex Scene]

I have seen your threads and replies lately. I must say I agree with bless. Why do people try to help someone and then get insulted or replied very badly.
This post of mine gonna get some hateful replies too I bet.

[nevercan]

I have seen your threads and replies lately. I must say I agree with bless. Why do people try to help someone and then get insulted or replied very badly.
This post of mine gonna get some hateful replies too I bet.
Nah, he wil just gonna hate you and ignore

[kinzmet]

Guys, he already got the answer his looking for. --->http://www.spacetimestudios.com/showthread.php?198547-Lv-38-41-professional-advice-needed-for-Rogue-Reward-Yowie-Egg-free

We are all good and respectfull community. Lets just let it go, forgive and not bash him further :)
Thank you!



@mods Please close the thread, the guy had found what his looking for and whats only left is the hate posts. Thank you!

[Ihateppl]

awww, I got too this thread too late...

Well, all of my snappy comebacks have been taken... (stares at bless...)

But I would strongly suggest that you show some respect to your fellow game mates, because now they know your ign, your close to there lv, and they have a helluva better stats then you.

[kinzmet]

awww, I got too this thread too late...

Well, all of my snappy comebacks have been taken... (stares at bless...)

But I would strongly suggest that you show some respect to your fellow game mates, because now they know your ign, your close to there lv, and they have a helluva better stats then you.

This will send chills to the bone.