How do we know that it's a "x2" weekend etc!

[CptAwsome]

There's been A LOT of talk lately about whether sts has been honest with us about doubling the odds of certain events (x2 grand gem, x2 mythic/arcane in locks etc.) Some say take their word for it but how can we trust them if they have secretly nerfed looted items before eg. Planar pendant recipe.
Others say it's gambling and you its your own fault by taking risks to get lucky, but it's not gambling at all. At a casino if your gambling you know your odds. With sts (especially when it comes to mythic & arcane loot) we have no idea what the odds are. (If there is please let me know)
I just want sts to be completely honest with us and let us know the odds of the items we pay real money for.
All the people who disagree with me don't post anything I don't have time for it. Thanks.


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[Titanfall]

Whenever theres a double odds weekend, theres more arcanes and mythics in auction.

[Jazzi]

Whenever theres a double odds weekend, theres more arcanes and mythics in auction.

Not saying that the chances are not x2, just for the sake of making this fun: How do you know that the higher number of mythics/arcanes is not a result of the much higher number of crates opened in a short time? :-P

As for the super gem double odds: those turned out pretty bad for me. 35 tries and only 2 supers so far. But my luck is not the best when it comes to relying on RNG in games :-)

[Titanfall]

Not saying that the chances are not x2, just for the sake of making this fun: How do you know that the higher number of mythics/arcanes is not a result of the much higher number of crates opened in a short time? :-P

As for the super gem double odds: those turned out pretty bad for me. 35 tries and only 2 supers so far. But my luck is not the best when it comes to relying on RNG in games :-)
More crates are opened fair enough, But i doubt STS would do that.

[Madnex]

Whenever theres a double odds weekend, theres more arcanes and mythics in auction.
That doesn't prove anything actually, it mostly is like that because people choose to open, trusting the 2x odds announcement.

Releasing the drop rates would probably create more complaints than do good (eg. threads like "sts u sure arcane drop rate is 0.2% i open 2000 locks n didn't get"). And also discourage people from opening locked chests so.. won't be happening.

[CptAwsome]

Releasing the drop rates would probably create more complaints than do good (eg. threads like "sts u sure arcane drop rate is 0.2% i open 2000 locks n didn't get").

Totally agree with what you said here madnab.
There has to be another solution then. Maybe something like there's 1 arcane item in every 1000 locks looted. Not saying that if you open 1000 your guaranteed one. And also some sort of clarification that they do actually activate the x2 button if one exists.


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[Universalpro]

Well i certainly got a few grands in 2 times only so i can confiem its x2 grand gem event..
What felt wierd was myths and arcanes get cheaper during the x2 myth weekend but it didnt happen so this time and at the same time all i saw was ppl complaining that they didnt get anything during x2 myth weekend.. I know its a game of luck but.. Just saying lol

[CptAwsome]

Well i certainly got a few grands in 2 times only so i can confiem its x2 grand gem event..
What felt wierd was myths and arcanes get cheaper during the x2 myth weekend but it didnt happen so this time and at the same time all i saw was ppl complaining that they didnt get anything during x2 myth weekend.. I know its a game of luck but.. Just saying lol

Yeah you say that you have got more grands then expected I personally have only got 1/24 grand gems.
Maybe you getting more is just a coincidence! Maybe event if it wasn't a x2 grand gem weekend you would have got the grand gems on your gear anyway.
I'm not accusing STS of lying to us but just a lil confirmation that they have actually doubled the chances.


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[Kriticality]

Yeah, i don't know about 2x mythic, i usually get frustrated but I have 6 Grand gems in around 25 attempts.

[CptAwsome]

Yeah, i don't know about 2x mythic, i usually get frustrated but I have 6 Grand gems in around 25 attempts.

Half ya luck lol. Gratz


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[Kriticality]

Couldn't believe it. After the 5 grand I took a break bc I was plat finishing. Fortunately that's all I needed bc I have eyes in build

[Kriticality]

Went back next day and got sixth with plat with 19 plat left over. Tried opening crate for 15 2k/2k/2k

[Universalpro]

It wasnt mere luck.. I usually get 0/20 or 1/20 but getting 6/20 can not be luck lol.
And i really feel like x2 myth weekend was a fail

[Novyaj Zeanreh]

Arcanes from locked might be limited per day:/

[CptAwsome]

Arcanes from locked might be limited per day:/
Possibly. That would be a good way for them to keep so many arcane/mythic items out of the market. And it would be hard to prove if that was the case.


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[Zylx]

Lol what would STS have to gain from falsifying these weekends?

That's The Man, man!

[CptAwsome]

Lol what would STS have to gain from falsifying these weekends?

That's The Man, man!

Plat sales go through the roof on x2 weekends. That's what they have to gain. $$$


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[Zylx]

Plat sales go through the roof on x2 weekends. That's what they have to gain. $$$

Certainly, but why would they lie about a x2 weekend?

[CptAwsome]

Certainly, but why would they lie about a x2 weekend?

When did I use the work lie? I never said they lied to us. I just asked for proof of it being a higher chance on these weekends.
And yes they did lie and cheat us once before so what's stopping them from doing it again?


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[Dex Scene]

When did I use the work lie? I never said they lied to us. I just asked for proof of it being a higher chance on these weekends.
And yes they did lie and cheat us once before so what's stopping them from doing it again?


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You said Just now!

[Rx8]

When did I use the work lie? I never said they lied to us. I just asked for proof of it being a higher chance on these weekends.
And yes they did lie and cheat us once before so what's stopping them from doing it again?


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Ahem

[CptAwsome]

You said Just now!

He implied I said they lied about x2 weekend.


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[Dex Scene]

He implied I said they lied about x2 weekend.


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So you are saying you did not say stg are lying about 2x weekend?

[CptAwsome]

So you are saying you did not say stg are lying about 2x weekend?

No I just asked for evidence to prove the odds have doubled.


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[Dex Scene]

No I just asked for evidence to prove the odds have doubled.


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If you believe they don't lie why do you need evidence?

[emkochiu]

No I just asked for evidence to prove the odds have doubled.


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If sts said "normal chance is 5% and it is 10% this weekend", someone still complain about it. What kind of evidence do you want?

[Candylicks]

This could be bad luck but I will tell you my experience with the event 2x crates. I have felt that when you open them after the event concludes they are no longer 2x but have the same odds as the regular old crates. I have opened hundreds after events and have not a single time gotten mythic, but during the events will loot several.

[notfaded1]

Has anyone looted a mythic weapon post event in urs crates? I looted a ton during the event but after 100's post event... nothing but 5 ammy and that is suspect.

Also madnex is right about why there are more during the event...

[CptAwsome]

If you believe they don't lie why do you need evidence?

They have lied before. So that's why I want evidence. Lol


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[Raregem]

When they made the mistake last time they righted the wrong. Refunding lockers and platinum. They didn't have to come on and do that, they could have slipped it under the rug but they didn't.

Yes, it'd be nice to know the actual odds but it's pretty harsh to call them "liers" when they do right the wrongs.

[CptAwsome]

I didn't call them liars. Not once did I say "sts are lying to us". I did say that they have lied to us but I have never directed the words liar at them.
Look you guys are getting off topic. All I want is sts to help us understand how the x2 odds change. Maybe they can't and we will never know. But surely there will be a way they can explain it to us without revealing what the odd actually are.


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[Serancha]

Conspiracy theories. Waste of a topic.

[Astride]

I didn't call them liars. Not once did I say "sts are lying to us". I did say that they have lied to us but I have never directed the words liar at them.
Look you guys are getting off topic. All I want is sts to help us understand how the x2 odds change. Maybe they can't and we will never know. But surely there will be a way they can explain it to us without revealing what the odd actually are.


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Welcome to forums. A place where especially those who don't know what the hell you are talking about always feel entitled to bring out their blackboard and proceed to feed you useless lessons and moral crap.

[Ravager]

We don't know the numbers. I did get a few more grand gems this weekend. In many cases, I have had failures of using 1000 plat average per slot to get a grand gem. This 2x weekend I was able to rush plat a few. Slots were anywhere between 100-200 plat. Maybe I just got lucky. Who knows. Just posting my results and experience.

[Remiem]

I'm not sure people are referencing when they talk about STS "lying once before." I do recall one weekend where an error in the data push (when we push out the file that has the new, doubled odds) resulted in 2x Odds not actually going in to the game. We caught the error as early as possible and did refund all crates and platinum spent, plus left everything that had been looted so far in everyone's inventory. It was a grave mistake, yes, but one we were completely transparent about from the moment we identified the issue.

I'm sad to hear that this has bred such distrust in the community. Spacetime does their absolute best to be as transparent as possible with our players, and have made clear communication an even bigger focus this year. After reading your suggestions and thinking on it a little myself I'm not quite sure what, if anything, we could do to prove double odds are in effect. Even if we were to release the numbers in the loot table, you would have to trust that the doubled odds data went into the game. If there is anything that is in my power to restore your faith and confidence please let me know.

[Appeltjes]

I'm not sure people are referencing when they talk about STS "lying once before." I do recall one weekend where an error in the data push (when we push out the file that has the new, doubled odds) resulted in 2x Odds not actually going in to the game. We caught the error as early as possible and did refund all crates and platinum spent, plus left everything that had been looted so far in everyone's inventory. It was a grave mistake, yes, but one we were completely transparent about from the moment we identified the issue.

I'm sad to hear that this has bred such distrust in the community. Spacetime does their absolute best to be as transparent as possible with our players, and have made clear communication an even bigger focus this year. After reading your suggestions and thinking on it a little myself I'm not quite sure what, if anything, we could do to prove double odds are in effect. Even if we were to release the numbers in the loot table, you would have to trust that the doubled odds data went into the game. If there is anything that is in my power to restore your faith and confidence please let me know.

Double grand gem odds are fine :) no evidence needed.

[Fyrce]

Looked like double grand gems to me. Good weekend.

[octavos]

I'm not sure people are referencing when they talk about STS "lying once before." I do recall one weekend where an error in the data push (when we push out the file that has the new, doubled odds) resulted in 2x Odds not actually going in to the game. We caught the error as early as possible and did refund all crates and platinum spent, plus left everything that had been looted so far in everyone's inventory. It was a grave mistake, yes, but one we were completely transparent about from the moment we identified the issue.

I'm sad to hear that this has bred such distrust in the community. Spacetime does their absolute best to be as transparent as possible with our players, and have made clear communication an even bigger focus this year. After reading your suggestions and thinking on it a little myself I'm not quite sure what, if anything, we could do to prove double odds are in effect. Even if we were to release the numbers in the loot table, you would have to trust that the doubled odds data went into the game. If there is anything that is in my power to restore your faith and confidence please let me know.

I have an idea :) ill post an errr...image so i can show you what I mean
play..or play Darkness Reborn they have a wheel that you could spin for items..please check that out.

in some games.having a roller...or like a popup screen like a wheel of fortune kinda deal that as you open a chest an animation plays to see all items in the box you are opening..and when it stops err....spinning..it would land on the item, and boom thats what you receive. Since sts does control all the aspects of there games aside from internet connection issues, I dont see how this could be hacked..but adding a spin/instant stop button like in an arcade game to help people test there luck..giving more chances to both sts and the player opening the chests. or even an option to reroll your items 1 time if you didn't like the 1st prize.

We need to see to believe as a player base, taking a word of a developer is like trusting your tax audit to a public accountant that you believe is certified for your state, but isn't certified at all. we need visual proof that there is 2x odds as you say there is..becuse its not helping me open more chests on a single word that it is working.

[CptAwsome]

I'm not sure people are referencing when they talk about STS "lying once before." I do recall one weekend where an error in the data push (when we push out the file that has the new, doubled odds) resulted in 2x Odds not actually going in to the game. We caught the error as early as possible and did refund all crates and platinum spent, plus left everything that had been looted so far in everyone's inventory. It was a grave mistake, yes, but one we were completely transparent about from the moment we identified the issue.

I'm sad to hear that this has bred such distrust in the community. Spacetime does their absolute best to be as transparent as possible with our players, and have made clear communication an even bigger focus this year. After reading your suggestions and thinking on it a little myself I'm not quite sure what, if anything, we could do to prove double odds are in effect. Even if we were to release the numbers in the loot table, you would have to trust that the doubled odds data went into the game. If there is anything that is in my power to restore your faith and confidence please let me know.

I do trust sts and you as a dev/mod to giving us the correct information about the fact that's the odds have actually doubled. I'm not accusing sts of cheating us, I just wanted to know if there was a way you could prove to us as a community that the odds have doubled but like you said there isn't a way to prove it.
But in the loot table with in locks for example is there a certain amount of locks that has to be looted (not by 1 person but by the whole community) that when a lock is dropped there is going to be an arcane/mythic item in that lock? Like when you loot the lock the loot Is already coded in that lock? Or is it just a random loot that pops up when you open the lock? If that makes sense lol. And even with the planar recipe, is there a certain amount of runs (again by the community not 1 person) before the recipe drops? because I've heard of Afew people that have looted 3+ and others none in 500+ runs.
Or can't you disclose that information if it is the case?


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[Yumisa]

The only way to check the double odds is to create another arcane legends app where you have unlimited locked chests and do not need plat to open chests. If the odds are 0.2% for arcane(2/1000 or 1/500 ) and usualy if you open 5000 Chests you should get approximately 5 Arcane items ofc there has to be a shortcut to open 5000 Chests...Other then that i have no idea how it would be possible to demonstrate odds...You can't ask them to prove it to you when no one can even think of a rational solution :/

OR MORE SIMPLE: Someone like Remiem gets 50000 Locked Chests to open herself ( with a shortcut obviously) Live in Arcane Legends and show us a video of how many she looted having opened 50000 Lockeds..Should be around 50 Arcane items. I have no idea if this was helpful....Maybe its possible to do this? Sorry i tried :S

[Dex Scene]

I didn't call them liars. Not once did I say "sts are lying to us". I did say that they have lied to us but I have never directed the words liar at them.
Look you guys are getting off topic. All I want is sts to help us understand how the x2 odds change. Maybe they can't and we will never know. But surely there will be a way they can explain it to us without revealing what the odd actually are.


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They didn't lie. It was a mistake.
you didn't call them lier but you are keep saying they lied they lied.

[Dex Scene]

There is no way to prove a luck.
50 out of 100 people can get lucky when the luck is increased it is not necessary now 70 people Have to be lucky!!
Luck don't work that way!
And why are people comparing event lockeds with normal lockeds?
Yes both event locked and a normal locked in 2x weekend has 2x chance to loot myth but we also have to consider normal locked's loot table has more other stuffs than the event lockeds have.

Either way, lockeds are great way to destroy plats.

[lethaljade]

What id like is an explanation of how to odds work, not the rate but how it actually works, for example do we all actually have our own individual luck, by this I mean when we reroll for items whilst farming thats our own individual luck, nothing that anyone else loots can effect what we get,( excluding items such as the planar pendant). Or is this whole game/ system, for example every certain amount of crates opened on a whole a arcane drops or mythic drops or every time the system decides to drop a arcane the next person to open a crate gets it, in my opinion I think it must work in a way simular to this, which sort of gives everyone an equal chance to get "lucky", but I don't think we have our own individual luck, where no matter how many crates are opened or how many arcanes are looted that it wont effect the way out luck turns out, because it will.

In a sense there is actually no such thing as luck when it comes to crates loot or anything, its about timing... happening to open that chest at a specific moment, or happening to be at the end of arena run at a specific moment, but I suppose by most its what would be interpreted as getting " lucky", however getting lucky is based on many other factors its not really random.

[CptAwsome]

They didn't lie. It was a mistake.
you didn't call them lier but you are keep saying they lied they lied.

Nerfing the pendant recipe was a mistake? That's what I meant when I said they lied to us. Never did I mention anything about the time they forgot to put the locks to x2


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[CptAwsome]

They didn't lie. It was a mistake.
you didn't call them lier but you are keep saying they lied they lied.

Nerfing the pendant recipe was a mistake? That's what I meant when I said they lied to us. Never did I mention anything about the time they forgot to put the locks to x2.


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[Dex Scene]

Nerfing the pendant recipe was a mistake? That's what I meant when I said they lied to us. Never did I mention anything about the time they forgot to put the locks to x2.


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Now you are saying they lied then again you say you never ever ever called them lier. Then again you accuse them of lieing.
Anyway,
" Never did I mention anything about the time they forgot to put the locks to x2. "
Then why do you need evidence on the double myth chance weekend if it's not a trust issue.
Forget it, Take care man. Iam off to bed. Iam done with arguing. It will take us nowhere.

[null_void]

What id like is an explanation of how to odds work, not the rate but how it actually works, for example do we all actually have our own individual luck, by this I mean when we reroll for items whilst farming thats our own individual luck, nothing that anyone else loots can effect what we get,( excluding items such as the planar pendant). Or is this whole game/ system, for example every certain amount of crates opened on a whole a arcane drops or mythic drops or every time the system decides to drop a arcane the next person to open a crate gets it, in my opinion I think it must work in a way simular to this, which sort of gives everyone an equal chance to get "lucky", but I don't think we have our own individual luck, where no matter how many crates are opened or how many arcanes are looted that it wont effect the way out luck turns out, because it will.

In a sense there is actually no such thing as luck when it comes to crates loot or anything, its about timing... happening to open that chest at a specific moment, or happening to be at the end of arena run at a specific moment, but I suppose by most its what would be interpreted as getting " lucky", however getting lucky is based on many other factors its not really random.

In the case of a gem turning into a super gem, what happens is that when you start the upgrade process, the server stores off in the database which item and which gem item you've used to initiate the upgrade and at what time it started. After the necessary elapsed time, the player can initiate the retrieval of their newly upgraded item, and it's at this point that the server looks up which gem they were using to upgrade their item. The server then picks a pseudo-random number from a global random number generator (so it's not player-specific), and then compares it to the threshold for supergem generation (defined in server-side data). If the threshold is met, a supergem is created in the indicated slot. Otherwise it results in a normal gem.

Does that answer your question, or did I misunderstand?

[famousfame]

On avg I got 1/2 out of 25 crafts , this has probably been worst double odds I've seen to date as previously avg was 3/4 out of 25 crafts. Gg

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