L15-17 bear

[Cowy]

decided Im gonna make a twink, but i need opinions. For example should i be a offensive bear or a defensive bear.

[Cowy]

One more question, is it better to use the l15 hallo dex helm or the l10 plat pack helm?

[MysticLegend97]

15 Bear:

Gear:
L15 Dex Hallo Helm
L15 Talon
L15 Expert
L15 Gruesome Evidence

Build:
6 Rage
5 Stomp
1 CB
1 CS
1 SMS

Stats:
Pure Dex

[Rescind]

One more question, is it better to use the l15 hallo dex helm or the l10 plat pack helm?

Dex hallow helm. Also if you can't afford a l15 pink gruesome, you can use the l10 sniper plat wing as a substitute

[Cowy]

I can afford the evi, but thanks guys! :)

[Hurikaz]

15 Bear:

Gear:
L15 Dex Hallo Helm
L15 Talon
L15 Expert
L15 Gruesome Evidence

Build:
6 Rage
5 Stomp
1 CB
1 CS
1 SMS

Stats:
Pure Dex

crappy Hit with Evi & Exp

Expert + Sniper Wing
Artisan + Evidence Bracer

[MysticLegend97]

crappy Hit with Evi & Exp

Expert + Sniper Wing
Artisan + Evidence Bracer
I use hit ring with evi and expert. Works just fine. If you want to use expert and sniper Id use crit ring

[Hurikaz]

I use hit ring with evi and expert. Works just fine. If you want to use expert and sniper Id use crit ring

using sniper,exp,crit ring at 18

21Crit 99%Hit

[Oldtwink]

At level 15 I can get up to 22 crit without the evi bracer. Personally I think evi bracer is waste of money

[AppleNoob]

At level 15 I can get up to 22 crit without the evi bracer. Personally I think evi bracer is waste of money


22 crit and 89 or below hit is not viable.

[Rescind]

22 crit and 89 or below hit is not viable.

I think you can do 22crit 94hit using sniper wing, hallow dex helm, 15pink talon, expert and krazy face

[AppleNoob]

I think you can do 22crit 94hit using sniper wing, hallow dex helm, 15pink talon, expert and krazy face

But why 22 crit when one can get 2 extra hit. This would in turn guarantee that the stomp actually lands.

[zaorago]

I'd run all hit%. Because if your stomp doesn't land. you lose. Stomp has a -30% debuff (i believe)

[Rescind]

But why 22 crit when one can get 2 extra hit. This would in turn guarantee that the stomp actually lands.

I never said I agreed on using this set up. I was just stating that you don't have less than 89hit

[Vvriter]

The real question is, why use Expert if you're not a mage before the level of 19?

[Rescind]

The real question is, why use Expert if you're not a mage before the level of 19?

I mean I have 19crit 98hit with sniper wing using expert. Having higher hit than that is pointless

[MrClifford]

I mean I have 19crit 98hit with sniper wing using expert. Having higher hit than that is pointless

Less their dodge % so around 93% hit

[Vvriter]

I mean I have 19crit 98hit with sniper wing using expert. Having higher hit than that is pointless

100 hit is a requirement in my opinion, so I wouldn't agree. Sniper Wing + Exp < Evidence + Artisan. L.17, & lower PvP is mainly luck if you take out the Kite/Treeing factors, the more hit you have, the more lucky you are I'd assume. Also taking into factor that Mage's Lighting, Bow Procs, Stomp's Debuff, Hellscream, & Bird's Blind can all take into place, more hit should indeed be preferred as everything at this level can lower your hit, or kill you with nukes (Lv.5-27).

[Rescind]

Less their dodge % so around 93% hit

I don't think that's how it works lol

[JTZ]

I don't think that's how it works lol

I believe he's referencing the correlation of hit% and dodge. There was a thread over this but I'm too lazy to find it.

[Rescind]

I believe he's referencing the correlation of hit% and dodge. There was a thread over this but I'm too lazy to find it.

But I'm pretty sure it's more complex than simply subtracting hit by dodge %

[Etarbitrev]

Yes alot more. But in short, more hit = less dodge for the opponent.

Also, imo & from my experience as 15 bear, 96% hit is the most you need. & ik many that get away with 94%.

[Vvriter]

Yes alot more. But in short, more hit = less dodge for the opponent.

Also, imo & from my experience as 15 bear, 96% hit is the most you need. & ik many that get away with 94%.

Wait for that ONE fight, when that ONE stomp misses. :)

You shouldn't depend on the luck of not missing that 4-6%, & critical hitting that extra 6-8. Taking into consideration, this hit can also be reduced greatly by all the things I've stated before, I honestly think 100% hit is the smartest thing to do, but it's up to anyone's else preference. - 4-6% hit + 6-8 critical is still QUITE viable.

[Rescind]

Yes alot more. But in short, more hit = less dodge for the opponent.

Also, imo & from my experience as 15 bear, 96% hit is the most you need. & ik many that get away with 94%.

If that logic was used, then the whole endgame scene won't make sense. Full dex birds have 180+ hit buffed and bears with str sets have 80dodge-ish. If we used hit-dodge, then full dex birds should, in theory, land all hits

[Zillionaire]

15 Bear:

Gear:
L15 Dex Hallo Helm
L15 Talon
L15 Expert
L15 Gruesome Evidence

Build:
6 Rage
5 Stomp
1 CB
1 CS
1 SMS

Stats:
Pure Dex

This is the best build and setup for a L.15 bear

[Vvriter]

This is the best build and setup for a L.15 bear

Not quite. Forgotten Bows are very effective as well, and can beat this setup. CB is also not very smart as the 3m range cripples you, I'd prefer Vengeful Slash as it's more important in Bear V Bear fights due to range.

[The Voices]

Judging from my own experience as 15 Bear, it is really easy to get away with the setup of:
Sniper'sHelm
Pink 15 Talon
Sniper's Shield
Experts
Crit Ring

I used this because I like to roll cheap :P. Anyways, like Writer stated, if you do go into fight with chars with debuffs, think of it. You've got so many things that can destroy your hit, it's better to get at least 95% hit than have yourself miss that duel crucial stomp.

[Motivating]

I mean I have 19crit 98hit with sniper wing using expert. Having higher hit than that is pointless

I have 105 hit because it makes me feel better about myself.

[Etarbitrev]

If that logic was used, then the whole endgame scene won't make sense. Full dex birds have 180+ hit buffed and bears with str sets have 80dodge-ish. If we used hit-dodge, then full dex birds should, in theory, land all hits
So, riddle me this, why do bears at low lvl dodge so much in comparison to endgame bears.
What you quoted me on, was worked out by one of the smartest minds that played PL imo,
I'm just telling you the results of his experiment, which, from my experience kinda seems valid.

Also, the amount of dodge to hit ratio at endgame tries to balance each other out, except there is more dodge in comparison to lower lvls. Please notice that, when a bear hses you at endgame, your hit doesn't go down sub-100 does it? (Yes ik I've read the other thread about hit chance)
From my experience of endgame the opponent dodges more when I am hsed, referring back to the point about his results seeming valid.