Mana Mages

[Caabatric]

Am i required to give tanks/rogues mana in the portal?

[Ssneakykills]

Which portal? The love portal?

[Caabatric]

yes

[Dragoonclaws]

Don't kill yourself, if they are close and you need HP, heal them on the way... or when you are walking close to eachother, take a second to heal em. It's your teammates afterall, but they must get their own mana pots tho :/

[Caabatric]

ty!!

[mmaachilles211]

Dude...your not a walking mana potion dispenser for anyone. if people are to poor to buy there own pots and complain when u don't do it for them then they can play with someone else. It's not pvp...it's pve where everyone has all the same tools as everyone else and there more than capable of buying there own and using there own.

[Sceazikua]

No, mages aren't made to just give mana to others, especially in PvE. Just tell them to spend 700 gold and buy 100 mana pots, it's not too expensive. Rogues who aren't shooting their skills and just use their normal attacks to do damage piss me off every time I see them.

[Ssneakykills]

I agree about the pots but I do love mana mages in pve tho

[Dex Scene]

If they ask for mana when im on mage, I tell them Rally cry please, Shadow veil medics pls.
Or just tell them No begging pls.

[Wutzgood]

No you don't hav to supply mana beggars with anything. They should use pots.

I actually made a character named wutzmana since I was using that response so much to beggars that said "mana?"

[gumball3000]

Everyone knows mage is bad against bosses so if you want a faster run then please heal. Especially because this is an easy boss and you don't need shield you can still have 3 attack skills and heal.

[Kriticality]

Agree only if they say verbatim "Pls sir can I has some mana?"

[debitmandiri]

Mana

[Allows.]

Mana pls

[SacredKnight]

Mages aren't mana dispensers, you have no need to supply mana for anyone but yourself ;) Besides, the portal is easy enough. If they need mana make them use pots.

[Bellaelda]

If u have heal then it doesn't hurt to use it in one slot, but I wouldnt respect skills to add it just cause some people too cheap to buy pots.

[Pillowhead]

The thing is that if you have the ability to help your teammates to kill the boss faster, heal them and save a bit gold, you should probably do it. (I'm not telling you, it's your own choice.)
BUT, if they TELL you to heal them, don't do it if you don't want to but think about that you don't lose anything, you'll just win from ot.
I'm a mage and a rogue, I don't mind healing my buds even if they beg or asks, not to shabby to have a full health-mana team huh ;)?

[grzena1982]

Am i required to give tanks/rogues mana in the portal?

There is nothing ur required to do or in random pts, however, when u do private pts everything is subject to discussion and agreement. People slagging u for no filling them up with mana are way out of their line and most likely really poor rogues.

I may only add that if you are a low lvl mage, then use this to your advantage as people would love you for saving their pots and almost every single rogue and worrior would like to play with you again, especially in wts. ^_^

[Fyrce]

If you are in pve and someone asks for mana, leave. This party will not be good. The person/people asking are too cheap to properly aid their team.

[Jiarijiba]

I love the mana mages when I am on my rogue. I hate the mana askers when on my mage, who has 4 dmg skills...

[Iahwahska]

Most half decent mages at end game only use Lifegiver for farming easy stages if they still have it at all. By that time that skill slot is much better used for Shield or attack spells.
We all have access to potions so there is no excuse for begging for mana and doing so only marks you as someone to be ridiculed and blocked.

[Jazzi]

I am a rogue and when i see a mage with lifegiver (except in pvp) i kindly ask him to use another skill instead of it. If he does not i kindly thank everyone in the pt after the run is done and leave the said pt.

It is a wasted skill in pve and especially in elite maps. No need to use it. THose who ask for mana are probably new players and lack experience:-)

[Rx8]

Tell them to GTFO. Mages arent mana machines...tell them to get their own damn mana.

[mlb2005]

Get rid of the skill if you have it. There is no need for it in pve. If you get a tank or rogue whining tell them to buy pots and then ignore them.

Tanks that whine about mana really crack me up. Most of the time they don't even heal their teammates unless they need a heal themselves. Not to mention the mana usage on tanks isn't that bad.

Rogues that beg for mana should remember they chose the class and it's not anyone elses responsibility.

[bedmaster]

I only heal when i need to. Others need mana? Idgas xD

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[vawaid]

Lol at all these useless mages posting here. Everyone knows mage is bad against bosses so if you want a faster run then do your job and heal. Especially because this is an easy boss and you don't need shield you can still have 3 attack skills and heal.
Nab confirmed.

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[mlb2005]

Lol at all these useless mages posting here. Everyone knows mage is bad against bosses so if you want a faster run then do your job and heal. Especially because this is an easy boss and you don't need shield you can still have 3 attack skills and heal.

They could also use 4 attacks and you buy a few pots to help speed things up.

[Caabatric]

ty for response!
im going to stick with 4 attack skills and just use kongo to heal a good 4% mana c:

[Dex Scene]

Lol at all these useless mages posting here. Everyone knows mage is bad against bosses so if you want a faster run then do your job and heal. Especially because this is an easy boss and you don't need shield you can still have 3 attack skills and heal.
I rather have 3 attacks and gale since hitting mana pots aint that hard as you think it is. And don't call other as useless since its an insult and dev should give you warnings for this.

[Diggdugg]

Pots... I don't heal anyone, the slot is much better used for another attack skill. You will suck down more mana pots but you will be much better in the maps once you get used to no heal skill.

[darthdlo]

A good mage heals look at any rpg mmo the mages r the healers now in this game u can choose to have heal or not but if u do have mana also. Like above poster mentioned we all have the same tools so if someone shouts out mana or heal ignore them they should have pots like rest but its not hard to be a good mage and heal when needed without being asked it helps move team along. Not all mages have heal equipt and i get frustrated when i see a warrior or rogue shout heal when they can easily have their own heal skill equipt. On a side not dont ask any player to change anything based on ur own preferences every player is different and at end game most people who have played their toon for awhile is accustomed to playing their way and prob just as fast *most* its very rude to tell someone to play ur way unless u crwated the party or every1 discusses it in a random u take it as it comes.

[Dex Scene]

A good mage heals look at any rpg mmo the mages r the healers now in this game u can choose to have heal or not but if u do have mana also. Like above poster mentioned we all have the same tools so if someone shouts out mana or heal ignore them they should have pots like rest but its not hard to be a good mage and heal when needed without being asked it helps move team along. Not all mages have heal equipt and i get frustrated when i see a warrior or rogue shout heal when they can easily have their own heal skill equipt. On a side not dont ask any player to change anything based on ur own preferences every player is different and at end game most people who have played their toon for awhile is accustomed to playing their way and prob just as fast *most* its very rude to tell someone to play ur way unless u crwated the party or every1 discusses it in a random u take it as it comes.

Whats the definition of good mage?
its not same in every situation and not to every person.
In pvp, you can say Mages are good when they heal because it benefits the team.
When it is pve, it doesn't benefits the team In my opinion. It benefits just the other player by saving their pots. Spamming pots is not very hard nor it affects the gameplay.
When we are full Rogues party we can spam pots fine. Why we can't when we see there is a mage in our party.

Lots of other Mmorpg games have more than 4 skills in HUD so we can get heal no problem there.
besides that a 3 attacking skill with gale mages are very good at fast run. Forget about Rogues, even warrior can run fast with their Skyward smash.
A mage without gale would fall back trying hard to cop up with their tiny legs lol.

[Amicusdei]

A friend shared a tip with me:
A haunted ring plus a mana regen pet will save you from buying as many/any mana pots on easy farming maps like this one and WT4.
I use flapjack, jack, blight, horton, and, loki on rotation. (there may be others)
A tank with VB added to the mix should never need pots or mana heal.
As a rogue,I run out with some of the less good ones, but it recovers quickly.
It's tough to educate others sometimes, but this is one way to to curb mana begging I think.
As for those who beg mana, its nice when goofballs self-identify, so i am ok with it really.
Saves me trying to figure them out. :)

[Wutzgood]

Lol at all these useless mages posting here. Everyone knows mage is bad against bosses so if you want a faster run then do your job and heal. Especially because this is an easy boss and you don't need shield you can still have 3 attack skills and heal.

Lmao I would have expected this comment from a new player. Maybe you have never used a mage cause heal is the only useless skill a Mage has in his arsenal. Slowing the party down by bringing heal is a horrible decision.

[Iahwahska]

Yes in other MMOs there generally are classes dedicated to healing and buffing the party, however in AL every class has a heal (none of which are advisable in endgame pve save for HoR) and mages are actually damage dealers/crowd control specialists not walking mana batteries for people who haven't figured out what those flasks at the bottom of the screen do.

[darthdlo]

Ok maybe "good" isnt best word so ill say a courteous mage. When i played as mage i would heal everytime i saw peoples health or mana down or try to save them b4 they die i would try to use while my other skills were recharging it never seemed to effect the progression on the map and most time helped because the healed player kept chugging along instead of going back to start but that is just for pve. If someone shouted mana or health I would usually leave because to me it was like a gift all players shoud have pots on hand because as a mage there was no1 there to replinish my mana.

[Ssneakykills]

Lmao I would have expected this comment from a new player. Maybe you have never used a mage cause heal is the only useless skill a Mage has in his arsenal. Slowing the party down by bringing heal is a horrible decision.

How is Mages heal not useful? You call others out for being a new player yet you come out with things like this which makes me wonder

[Wutzgood]

How is Mages heal not useful? You call others out for being a new player yet you come out with things like this which makes me wonder

I didn't call him a new player. I know he's not. I just would have expected that comment from one.

Pvp is the only place mages should ever use heal. Bringing it in pve tho is wasting a skill and will just slow the party down. 2 of the upgrades just bring agro to you and are completely worthless anyway.

The only heal that should ever be used in pve is horn and that's for the shield it gives not the heal. Potions are much more effective for healing.

[nevercan]

How is Mages heal not useful? You call others out for being a new player yet you come out with things like this which makes me wonder
The heal of mages is just suck it only heals 60% of thier max hp and mana we have enof im using 4 attack skils sometimes 3 and with shield i dont have even heal just cuz its sucks in pve my frends never complain about me no having heal becaus they know its sucks

[farizace99]

As a MAGE myself, I always heal mana and so far I see the healing skill of my mages benefit some players..It doesnt slows down the party but instead it saves some time for them spamming pots.I dont see why mana healers slows down the party cause instead it makes other players happy.If there is just one mage and 3 other different players (non mage), then just heal them up.When in pve, I used fireball, clock, gale force and heal because to me, mages are used in pve to slow and stuns mobs, and healing skill is to heal yourself and your party.And btw most mages doesnt deal much damage, aside from those mages who have 600 damage and above.If most of u guys say the healing skill of mages is useless, then ask sts to remove the healing skill.

[Wutzgood]

As a MAGE myself, I always heal mana and so far I see the healing skill of my mages benefit some players..It doesnt slows down the party but instead it saves some time for them spamming pots.I dont see why mana healers slows down the party cause instead it makes other players happy.If there is just one mage and 3 other different players (non mage), then just heal them up.When in pve, I used fireball, clock, gale force and heal because to me, mages are used in pve to slow and stuns mobs, and healing skill is to heal yourself and your party.And btw most mages doesnt deal much damage, aside from those mages who have 600 damage and above.If most of u guys say the healing skill of mages is useless, then ask sts to remove the healing skill.

It slows down the party by not having another attack skill instead of heal. Pressing the potion button doesn't waste any time. Mages do the best damage to mobs of any class(600 damage is actually low for Mages now) and shouldn't waste time healing in pve. Leave that to warriors who do the least damage and are the real support class of the game.

I wish sts would remove heal and add another attacking skill instead. They won't because it's needed for pvp but I mainly stick to pve anyway so removing it wouldn't effect me. Or at least replace the 2 worthless upgrades to something that would actually make it useful. As of now it's just a wasted skill for pve.

[Dragoonclaws]

It slows down the party by not having another attack skill instead of heal. Pressing the potion button doesn't waste any time. Mages do the best damage to mobs of any class(600 damage is actually low for Mages now) and shouldn't waste time healing in pve. Leave that to warriors who do the least damage and are the real support class of the game.

I wish sts would remove heal and add another attacking skill instead. They won't because it's needed for pvp but I mainly stick to pve anyway so removing it wouldn't effect me. Or at least replace the 2 worthless upgrades to something that would actually make it useful. As of now it's just a wasted skill for pve.

sometimes, I wish mages can revive like engineers in SL, but that would kill the ankh market.... and especially the platinum market... an error done by STS

A perfect team for me:

Frontline Warrior for tanking, and defending his teammates
Critical damage and sniper Rogues in the second line
Mage for general damage (DPS), group heal, buff and debuff
Add a fourth player for more epicness

A perfect team, for me, is a team made of independant players. They help eachother, but don't completely need eachother. A rogue won't need the mage for mana, he uses potions. A warrior doesn't need the mage for heal, he uses potions. A mage doesn't need the warrior tanking, he uses potions. It's a bit complicated. The idea, is to have a team made of players that can go independant when the team is lacking. If the service is there, take it; or get it by yourself. But we're not discussing the perfect team. Just take the idea above.

There is no mana mage, there is no group shield warrior, there is no dps rogue... but there is a team

[drgrimmy]

Here are my mana mages:

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You can guess my opinion on the matter ;)

[Wutzgood]

Here are my mana mages:

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You can guess my opinion on the matter ;)

Lol grimmy those had me laughing. Can't stop actually.

[Bellaelda]

Here are my mana mages:

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Hilarious! I love it :-)

[ilhanna]

You asked if you should heal in event map. The answer is no. If the PUG wants a faster kill, relying on you for mana isn't going to help, especially since it's an easy boss that doesn't hit hard and dies easily. You would do better to use either fireball, timeshift, lightning, ice, or fireball, timeshift, lightning, and gale to move faster across map, or to flit across the pink pool. That's a more efficient way to make sure that your pots go a long way, because you will be able to farm more often on the same amount of pots. Also, lifegiver has 15 seconds cooldown, so your PUG will have to use pots anyway between heals. Let them do that.

It's true that if you're too cash-strapped to buy mana pots for farming, some crutches in lieu of mana heal--for example using Haunted ring and mana refilling pets like Konga, Jack or Nexus--can help, but at a cost to your damage, so unless you're soloing super easy maps like Brackenridge, IMO even these aren't efficient.

But in the bigger picture, lifegiver has no place in pve, at any level. Healing takes aggro, making mobs and boss turn their attention to the squishy healing mages. Say you're level 20 and in a party with a warrior. You heal the warrior thinking if he survives, you will too. But say the warrior hasn't upgraded his juggernaut or HoR to make these skills be able to taunt. Or he uses taunting windmill and HoR but they're on cooldown, leaving only, say, vengeful blood and skyward smash, which don't taunt at all. Then when he loses control of the mobs who leave him to chase you, he will have trouble regaining their attention, which means your mage is in danger of being mobbed just when his lifegiver is cooling down. You can argue that there is shield for just this kind of situation, but to use both shield and lifegiver means you only have two slots for damage skills and that's hardly enough for good crowd control, which is a mage's chief responsibility (not playing nurse to stingy, lazy warrior and rogue who go to map without mana pots). In anycase, stunning with fireball and rooting and freezing some mobs (especially if they stun and instakill) will give the warrior a chance to take a break to tap pots. Win win.

Or say you are in party with a rogue. You heal his mana thinking it'll help him spam those mana-draining skills like aimed shot and shadow piercer. But if you really want to help the rogue, the best thing to do isn't refilling his mana. You would do better to stun the mobs with your fireball and root them with your timeshift and immobilize fast moving, dangerous enemy (like Kraken crabs, Nordr wolves) with your frost bolt. This way it's safer for the rogue to snipe at the mobs or applying poison to groups of them with noxious bolt.

At cap level it becomes more illogical to heal mana as the mobs are tougher to control and deadlier. A mage will need his full arsenal of crowd control skills in Shuyal and Tindirin. On elite maps, a warrior friend said it's a already a challenge keeping mobs taunted in big pulls runs with high dmg rogue. Having a mage healing and stealing aggro could be devastating because then the warrior has to regain aggro, and ironically, the quickest, surest way to do this is by healing.

So by not healing in pve you are not depriving warriors and rogues of anything, you're actually doing your job to make sure the run goes fast and safe.

[ilhanna]

...And btw most mages doesnt deal much damage, aside from those mages who have 600 damage and above.If most of u guys say the healing skill of mages is useless, then ask sts to remove the healing skill.

1. Remember that a mage's dmg is applied to multiple number of mobs.

2. See to build, gear and pet choice and mages can be a deadly dmg dealer too, not just a supporting cast who dies a lot.

3. Heal is still essential in pvp, so asking it be removed is ridiculous.

[vawaid]

Lol. Just run elite tindirin, shuyal, if you are talking about pve normal, I use heal on normal maps. But in elite tindirin / shuyal, just try it and feel yourself slow the party down.

So, i think who doesnt think life giver is party slower down, maybe they are just not playing elite maps too long.

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[Jhawkeye]

I have weak thumbs and spamming mana and heal pots would damage my delicate fingers so yes I have heal and shield. If someone just so happens to be in the radius of my heal good on them. If not idc. Do I slow runs down? How should I know, I mean I do good damage and no one complains. Those cute little rogue girls pick up my slack I guess.

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