View Full Version : my opinion on dodge
johnny6880
04-21-2015, 10:31 AM
why can bears and birds dodge like crazy and still do the same damage as a mage also I notice birds have 205 defence but the skills of mage still does same damage as if it was a bear with 328 defence does this even make sense add more hit a lot to mage lust gear or Nerf dodge cause skill isn't dodgeing everything or simply reduce cooldiwns of mages skills
Draoscao
04-21-2015, 10:44 AM
May i say that mages can have more than 300 armour with fiery wand set while not being str? Just put 9 ms and 9 buffs
Mages don't need dodge they got heal and very high damage and kiting skills
johnny6880
04-21-2015, 11:48 AM
ya a buff outed out mage loses out on damage then either way its a lose AMD what does damage matter if your appointiwnt just dodges they need more hit
Groaning
04-21-2015, 01:12 PM
Mages don't need dodge, but dodge has gotten out of hand for the bears, and the birdies can keep dodge as they don't have high armor heal or large hp pool
Draoscao
04-21-2015, 03:02 PM
ya a buff outed out mage loses out on damage then either way its a lose AMD what does damage matter if your appointiwnt just dodges they need more hit
I don't think hit% neutralizes dodge% because if you would have a fox with 9 fury (adds 90% hit) and it has a lustrous dex dagger set so like + - 300% hit and the fox is trying to kill the bear, the bear will dodge either way
Sheugokin
04-21-2015, 03:04 PM
I can't begin to put words on this argument.
Burstnuke
04-21-2015, 03:37 PM
New gens these days :excitement:
Groaning
04-21-2015, 04:08 PM
God some of you just make me feel worse than I am :(
Itoopeo
04-21-2015, 04:17 PM
My bird has 70 dodge, 310 armor and 715 health while rocking 380 damage and 530dps.
Sounds OP right? Well it isnt.
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Groaning
04-21-2015, 04:22 PM
My bird has 70 dodge, 310 armor and 715 health while rocking 380 damage and 530dps.
Sounds OP right? Well it isnt.
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Maybe it's not your gear or stats in questions, but it's your skills
Itoopeo
04-21-2015, 04:35 PM
Nono its the hit% that causes me to not be op. Mages birds and bears all have blinding debuff that makes any str based useless.
I have 70% change to dodge the debuff but its always spammable so bears get a new change soon.
Problem with bears is the debuff, not dodge or armor. They debuff so hard, you cant do anything before mage heals or birds just have to wait it wear off.
Bears dont do that much damage really, i can tank those for ages and with 9 heal even pure dex bow bird can survive beckon stomp.
But the debuffs of bear take something like -60 dodge, -200damage and -160% hit when all fully stacked.
Thats basically a full stun with 3s cooldown and lasts longer than the cooldown so its so hard to escape.
And did I mention cripple cant be broken like HS or stomp? And cripple lasts like 2.5s and has 3s cooldown or something anyways theres like 0.5s window to try and run away or get distance.
Thats why bears are so op
Pallys arent op either, they lack damage and birds can burst them down. Its just different type mage, int mages are equally as hard to face as bird because you need blast twice and make sure blind hits right after heal and so on, plus on top of that mages drain 400dmg and fire does like 350 crits.
Its the bear debuffs trust me
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johnny6880
04-21-2015, 05:58 PM
just fix the dodge it be nice to actually hit someone cause dodgeing every skill isn't right or fix hit
bosstinytitan
04-21-2015, 06:22 PM
just fix the dodge it be nice to actually hit someone cause dodgeing every skill isn't right or fix hit
If you are a pure int fiery mage, you can kill savage bears with ease if skilled.
KingFu
04-21-2015, 08:05 PM
If you are a pure int fiery mage, you can kill savage bears with ease if skilled.
Ya dud trust him he PvP expert^
Mothwing
04-21-2015, 08:19 PM
If you are a pure int fiery mage, you can kill savage bears with ease if skilled.
Ugh........
If you are a pure int fiery mage, you can kill savage bears with ease if skilled.
130986
Skilled fiery mage vs a target that cannot be hit but can kill u with two hits... Yeah. Right.
I don't think hit% neutralizes dodge% because if you would have a fox with 9 fury (adds 90% hit) and it has a lustrous dex dagger set so like + - 300% hit and the fox is trying to kill the bear, the bear will dodge either way
Try to remind the meaning of "%", you'll be able to answer this by yourself then probably?
@op I think ur confused.
Burstnuke
04-21-2015, 09:30 PM
Ya dud trust him he PvP expert^
I agree :boxing:
bosstinytitan
04-21-2015, 11:11 PM
There are plenty of good l75 fiery mages that I have seen demolish bears. As for me, well...I don't do mage pvp, only bird
Itoopeo
04-22-2015, 12:25 AM
Just time your heal after HS not hard.
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Ignitedmage
04-22-2015, 06:52 AM
Actually, the dodge is because of dex!
Short and simple answer, Bears have dex, birds have dex and pally have dex, so they dodge. leaving on int, int gives you More often crits and damage.
Itoopeo
04-22-2015, 10:31 AM
Actually, the dodge is because of dex!
Short and simple answer, Bears have dex, birds have dex and pally have dex, so they dodge. leaving on int, int gives you More often crits and damage.
Lol ^^
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Groaning
04-22-2015, 01:32 PM
Str gives the most dodge u dumb..crap
Burstnuke
04-22-2015, 03:03 PM
Actually, the dodge is because of dex!
Short and simple answer, Bears have dex, birds have dex and pally have dex, so they dodge. leaving on int, int gives you More often crits and damage.
Lol. Just. Lol.
Covert
04-22-2015, 04:22 PM
No we need dodge or how else will people b pro
Ignitedmage
04-23-2015, 07:16 AM
Lol. Just. Lol.
Wat?
Don't Full Dex bears dodge pallies skills and owe them?
Don't full dex birds owes many pallies?
Don't full dex mages survives much time rather than int mages without ms?
Don't full dex foxes stands higher than str foxes infront of a bear?
Dodge gives dex and if there is something like a newbie talk i amma say "i am newbie :banana:"
Wat?
Don't Full Dex bears dodge pallies skills and owe them?
Don't full dex birds owes many pallies?
Don't full dex mages survives much time rather than int mages without ms?
Don't full dex foxes stands higher than str foxes infront of a bear?
Dodge gives dex and if there is something like a newbie talk i amma say "i am newbie :banana:"
Are you okay?
Ignitedmage
04-23-2015, 08:10 AM
Are you okay?
Nah!
My tab charge has gone to 0 and now i can't play PL
HOW CAN BE I OK, TELL ME?
Nah!
My tab charge has gone to 0 and now i can't play PL
HOW CAN BE I OK, TELL ME?
same here, so that made u haai
Ignitedmage
04-23-2015, 08:35 AM
same here, so that made u haai
Am hungry now -___-
Amma play pl before i get more mad!
See you in game!
Bazinga!
04-23-2015, 09:08 AM
Actually, the dodge is because of dex!
Short and simple answer, Bears have dex, birds have dex and pally have dex, so they dodge. leaving on int, int gives you More often crits and damage.
I can't even believe you made a guide. Like bruh.... strength gives the most dodge.
Electrophiles
04-23-2015, 06:56 PM
Actually, the dodge is because of dex!
Short and simple answer, Bears have dex, birds have dex and pally have dex, so they dodge. leaving on int, int gives you More often crits and damage.
What are you saying?!
Dex= hit, crit
Str = armor, health
Int = mana, skill damage (mage)
Obviously these attributes contribute differently to different classes as well. For example, 1 DEX on mage does not add the same stats as 1 DEX on bird or bear.
See phys guide for more info, you new gens.
Ssneakykills
04-24-2015, 07:35 AM
Actually, the dodge is because of dex!
Short and simple answer, Bears have dex, birds have dex and pally have dex, so they dodge. leaving on int, int gives you More often crits and damage.
Wkwkwkwkw XD WRITE ANOTHER GUIDE DUDE WID DIS IN IT XD GOA FOR U NOW
anahadaz
04-24-2015, 07:38 AM
Actually, the dodge is because of dex!
Short and simple answer, Bears have dex, birds have dex and pally have dex, so they dodge. leaving on int, int gives you More often crits and damage.
What even is this..
Mrrobbinhood
04-24-2015, 09:10 AM
lolololololol they talk like pros
Ignitedmage
04-24-2015, 10:30 AM
Lel guys i was just messed up.............. Was thinking about my 35 mage dat time when i posted that trash XD
Sorry :p
Ssneakykills
04-24-2015, 10:46 AM
Lel guys i was just messed up.............. Was thinking about my 35 mage dat time when i posted that trash XD
Sorry :p
That's what they all say
bearuang
04-24-2015, 01:41 PM
Wkwkwkwkw XD WRITE ANOTHER GUIDE DUDE WID DIS IN IT XD GOA FOR U NOW
Wkwk-ed after read this.
Itoopeo
04-24-2015, 04:17 PM
Wkwk-ed after read this.
What even is wkwk?
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Groaning
04-24-2015, 04:31 PM
Wat?
Don't Full Dex bears dodge pallies skills and owe them?
Don't full dex birds owes many pallies?
Don't full dex mages survives much time rather than int mages without ms?
Don't full dex foxes stands higher than str foxes infront of a bear?
Dodge gives dex and if there is something like a newbie talk i amma say "i am newbie :banana:"
Well dex behr have like 50 dodge just from buffs, pallies have 40 dodge just from the str set
Well think about it pally 80-90% hit maybe a little more blind -60% hit....yep
Clearly full dex love longer without ms because dex set has more armor, hardly matter cuz most mages start with ms
Well lust dagger foxes a plenty good, but swift vs savage is no match savage trumps it