Discussion of lvl 51, 53 and 55 pink items pricing.

[Skyler84]

In this topic i would like to share my point of view of how prices should be made regarding to lvl 51, 53 and 55 pink items you get from sewer maps. I have seen many players propose a selling price for lvl 51 or 53 items higher than a 55 item but is that really worth? Most probably not worth. Lvl 51 and 53 items are not as rare as you rate them because it not due to how hardly it drops but its based on level of your character. I agree it become impossible to get when your level goes up to 55, but when you reach 55, is it still wise to buy a lower level set? Here is a few points to consider when you buy or sell a lvl 51 or 53 item.

1. Level 51 or 53 items look exactly the same as level 55 items but gives lesser stats increment and set bonus.
2. At level 55 and 56, would you rather have a lower level set?
3. How much time would you need form level 51 to level 55?
4. Is level 51 or 53 items considered rare as compared to Vxy Helm, Shadow Set items and etc.?
5. If you say you'll have less or no chances of getting level 51 and 53 item when you reach level 54 and above, I'll agree but you can have a group of friends to bring your lower level character to sewer maps and get it. Level 51 and 53 items are available to level 1 - 53 players.
6. Its not even considered a collection items because it doesn't have a unique look.
7. The drop rate of all level 51, 53 and 55 is exactly the same. If you are level 49 in the game and you are expected to get a pink, you will get the level 51 pink. Similarly, if you are level 56 in the same game and expect to get a pink, you will get a level 55 one instead.
8. If you are a PVP fan, would you ever consider to get a lower level set?

All the above points clearly state that level 51 and 53 items are less worth than level 55 items, well of course its how i see it to be. So conclusively, prices of level 51 and 53 items should not be higher than level 55 items, not even equal. What i feel should be the pricing guide is as follows:

Level 51 items a quarter of level 55 items
Level 53 items a third of level 55 items

Well of course the price of level 55 items is base on seller and/or buyer so there is not general fixture to it. I believe there are agrees and disproves to my point of view to this so feel free to share you thoughts here. I did not use any unpleasant phrases so please keep this topic clean.

[Suntv]

Well I think you are wrong. Lower level (51, 53) should be more expensive and this is why:
1. Level 55 pinks are 'basic', like level 30, 35, 40, 45 and 50 pinks.
2. These basic pinks are the end goal in terms of drops, they are the best.
3. Level 51 and 53 pinks are level 55 pinks made available for the lower level players. Basicly if you use a level 51 pink, you are useing a level 55 pink earlier. That's why pinks from levels (i.e.) 27, 29, 32, 41, 47, 51 and 53 should always be more expensive.

[Skyler84]

As i said, its my point of view so i am not wrong, niether am i right. But thanks to your points, you lead me to another point which is well deservingly putting the price of level 55 item at higher price compared to lvl 51 and 53. As you say they are basic item, so if i am not wrong, level 55 are the only level which the items can be use for crafting. So far i don't see any level 51 or 53 recipe. So in another words level 55 are more purposeful than level 53 and 51 items. And by saying they are the best, why are they cheaper? They look the same without any special design to it. Yes, it does allow you to waer them at lower level but for how long?

[Arterra]

1) lower requirementS: future in dual speccing and wielding. Means you will keep using them after lv55.
2) can be used for leveling Alts.
3) once past the level, you cannot use that char and get those items again, so more rare.

[Moogerfooger]

Biggest reason they (51 and 53) are as expensive as they are is that there are flat just not very many/as many of the 55 equips in the game. Simple supply and demand.

[Doubletime]

Biggest reason they (51 and 53) are as expensive as they are is that there are flat just not very many/as many of the 55 equips in the game. Simple supply and demand.

Moog beat me to it. It is simply supply and demand. There is a low supply of 51 and 53 items. There is a big demand for such items from players either leveling or experimenting with builds. Like it or not, that is the basis of the price. Simple as that.

[Kalielle]

Moog beat me to it. It is simply supply and demand. There is a low supply of 51 and 53 items. There is a big demand for such items from players either leveling or experimenting with builds. Like it or not, that is the basis of the price. Simple as that.

Agreed. Don't see the point of long discussions about what prices should be by some hypothetical ideal standard. As a trader I will price my stuff as high as I can get away with it. If it doesn't sell I'll lower the price. Couldn't care less if people think the price is "fair" or not - what I care about is whether it sells.

[kopi]

In thoery 51, 53 shd be more expensive becuz u cant farm em with 55 or 56. How players are willing to fork out extra plats for a character that is going to stay at 50, 51 to farm these items? Only the hardcore i guess. And if you get yr maths right, u can do wonders with 51 items. Remember there's was a post with someone (sorry i cant remember who) a 55 or 56 who wield a fury shield with a MM gemstone wand? Those are 51 items.

[Ayrilana]

I personally don't see why people would buy gear (level 51) for those prices but I'm not going to tell them not to. I'm making a ton of money off them willing to buy lower level items rather than wait until level 53.

EDIT: For those who farm oranges/greens, the easiest way to get them solo is to go to Roach Hotel and take the first right. After you go past the fire traps, you'll see the one Goop who is a random spawn. If you don't see him, remake and try again. It only takes about 30 seconds to check if he spawned.

[Addicted]

If you are level 49 in the game and you are expected to get a pink, you will get the level 51 pink. Similarly, if you are level 56 in the same game and expect to get a pink, you will get a level 55 one instead.


Not entirely acurate... If you are level 49 in a game with a level 55 player, your drops will be level 55 - not level 51. The only way to get level 51 drops is when ALL players in your game are below level 52. That almost never happens now unless you are deliberately trying to recruit a group to farm level 51 gear so that makes the 51 gear much more rare than level 55 gear.

So, like others have said, basic economic principles of supply and demand dictate the price.

[braluk]

to get set bonuses, does your set have to have same level as rest of gear?

[Arterra]

only 55 has set bonus

[Diodge]

1. dual gear / dual spec
2. super rare

51-53 Pinks should cost more then 55 Pinks

[braluk]

Personally speaking, yeah, out of rarity's sake of a non-typical level drop like a 51 or a 53 pink, it should "technically" be more expensive. To a collector's POV, this makes sense. However, you'd be hard pressed to find someone who would rather buy some of the most expensive gear in the game at a lower level, instead of just patiently leveling to 55 and buying it then for cheaper (and also better stats with a set bonus). This makes practical sense. Then there's the argument of getting the best gear for lower levels for PVP so you have the best gear for your level (twink), but given that PVP's pit all 50+'s in the same group to spar, it wouldn't really make much of a difference anyway, only that now you're pitted against people with better gear cause they spent their money on 55 gear. I have discontinued off-level gear that I thought too would sell quickly- and I too priced my items high (khop, djinn wand), but they are probably my hardest items to sell. Anyways my two cents.

[Arterra]

also lv51 gear is a investment. you give yourself gear to get thru the tough lv50-55!

[Duped]

I think you missed it. It's simple supply and demand. The fact that it takes a lower level group to reach them is WHY it's worth more. It's also why the higher level's are worth more.

Have you ever looked at the stats on a pink limbchopper? It's a fantastic weapon, excellent, but you can buy it for next to nothing because it drops much more common. Price is determined by rarity (which is supply and demand).

[davidis57]

lvl 50 armor will get you to 55. you don't need rare or the best. just some ppl suck and they think gear will help.

[Skyler84]

Hey, watch your words. Hypothetical is definately considered an insulting word. If you think this is an unecessary discussion, just say so in a proper manner.

[Snakespeare]

You know, I can sell an orange level 51 item for twice or three times what you can get for an orange level 55. It has nothing to do with sets.

People turn 51 and want to try the new gear. All I'm asking is 10K. They spend that much on potions. So the level 55 version causes 5 more points of damage. That's irrelevant. By the time they get to 55, they will have seen many drops, including 40 copies of the item I sold them that are now level 5, so they don't need to buy it.

Supply and demand, baby.The supply of level 51 items is low. People want them. They are not that expensive.

[Moogerfooger]

Hey, watch your words. Hypothetical is definately considered an insulting word. If you think this is an unecessary discussion, just say so in a proper manner.

Lighten up, Francis. He didn't mean it as an insult. Words/tone are often misconstrued in a forum format. I was personally totally struck by the almost arrogant tone of your first post....but chose to try to read what you were saying, not how I felt your tone was.

[Snakespeare]

Hey, watch your words. Hypothetical is definately considered an insulting word. If you think this is an unecessary discussion, just say so in a proper manner.

Sorry, but this response to Kalielle answer is just too funny. I'm sure there must be some list of unacceptable words in your mind, but they are not universally shared. Her response was completely proper, too. The Consignment Shop operates according to the principles of laissez-faire capitalism. People charge what the market will bear. She made that quite clear.

FWIW, I don't like it, either, but it's reality, or rather a semblance of reality in a fictional setting. I personally feel that the current system allows experienced players to rip off the noobs, and it's not how I like to be. But that's just me. I can have my ideals while living in the real world. Think about it, Skyler, because it's a lot easier to be happy this way.

[Skyler84]

thanks snakespeare. the way she phrase it makes it sounds like i am a hypocrite that is what i mean. anyway, this topic is an open discussion so no point in using such heavy words. i just feels maybe i can open up this topic so that people can share how they feel about it regarding the topic. i don't own any level 51 or 53 items and neither will i buy so it just doesn't matter me at all. some may even think i am trying to push down the price. i just hope that a discussion is where people can share their thoughts. using that word hypothetical seems like abit rude though. however, i am not displeased in any form. thanks again.

[Kalielle]

Hey, watch your words. Hypothetical is definately considered an insulting word.

Uhm... I'm not even sure what to say to that. Seriously, of all the things I have ever said in PL, this is the first that offends someone? I'm torn between being amused and being kind of concerned, since I didn't mean to insult anybody. :/

Hypothetical just means theoretical - as in, it's something we can talk about but it's not going to happen in practice since the market is what it is. I think you were thinking here of the word "hypocritical" - am I right? - which is a different word that I never used and has nothing to do with "hypothetical".

[Ayrilana]

Uhm... I'm not even sure what to say to that. Seriously, of all the things I have ever said in PL, this is the first that offends someone? I'm torn between being amused and being kind of concerned, since I didn't mean to insult anybody. :/

Hypothetical just means theoretical - as in, it's something we can talk about but it's not going to happen in practice since the market is what it is. I think you were thinking here of the word "hypocritical" - am I right? - which is a different word that I never used and has nothing to do with "hypothetical".

You didn't do anything wrong. He either misread what you were saying, didn't know what hypothetical meant, or read to far into it.

[Groad]

also lv51 gear is a investment. you give yourself gear to get thru the tough lv50-55!

My thoughts exactly. If prices hold up you are basically renting the gear for free if you want to sell it at 55, right?

[Kalielle]

You didn't do anything wrong. He either misread what you were saying, didn't know what hypothetical meant, or read to far into it.

Yeah, I know... I'm tempted to sig his reply actually. My very first forum hate reply I ever received - feels kind of like a special event. Although I wish I had been at least given the chance to say something properly nasty to prompt it... ;)

[Chant]

PL drama... pure entertainment??? One of the few reason why I don't post in the forum. People always misread what someone else is trying to say and putting their own emotions into it. This is too funny. Kal, just laugh it up!

[davidis57]

I was not trying to be insulting. Gear is rare and lvl 50 works just fine save your money for the good lvl 55 gear. Use the orange while saving for pink or farming it.

[Skyler84]

Uhm... I'm not even sure what to say to that. Seriously, of all the things I have ever said in PL, this is the first that offends someone? I'm torn between being amused and being kind of concerned, since I didn't mean to insult anybody. :/

Hypothetical just means theoretical - as in, it's something we can talk about but it's not going to happen in practice since the market is what it is. I think you were thinking here of the word "hypocritical" - am I right? - which is a different word that I never used and has nothing to do with "hypothetical".

oh. hypothetical. yeah i misread it as hypocritical. you are right. my mistake. sorry. so all cool.

@chant its not really funny when a misunderstanding event took place. it will become hates if not clear up. even in forum, we should treat it as if we are talking in real group of people. because its where we share things and also learn new things that ourselves may not know.

[Duped]

Hey, watch your words. Hypothetical is definately considered an insulting word. If you think this is an unecessary discussion, just say so in a proper manner.

The hurt feelings aren't funny, but the fact you TYPED (not misread) out hypothetical and thought it was hypocritical is a little amusing to .... some..... not necessarily saying me, but not saying not me either :)

Sometimes we just take ourselves too seriously.

[davidis57]

hypothetical and hypocritical are two different words with very different meanings.

[Riccits]

lvl 51 DEX is definetly worth to buy to help your group. the increas of dmg is massive to lvl 50.
i just c in shop that supply is going low when our farming group doesnt farm. ppl buys em like hot cakes... amazing..