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merch_master
05-14-2015, 08:36 AM
So, in recent months and especially in this last event; we have seen two absolutely major problems emerge :-
Uselessness of tanks
Luck system

On tanks, it is just not arena, but even pve where they are just not as useful. Yes, they may save a few ankhs but drastically reduce the speed of a run and tend to just be a burden
And yes the last event vastly improved the abysmal arena luck, but the matter of 20runs-> fossil for one person and 600 runs-> not even recipe for other is still a huge issue.
My tentative solutions are:-
Tanks -> The various suggestions for skill buffs have been ignored, so i thought up a new way to circumvent this problem.
Again the major problem is speed drop and not enough need for taunting and holding aggro. Also, there was a rumour a while back that when tanks enter a map, the armour of mobs is buffed. This gave me a very effective idea.
Why not increase dmg a bit and decrease health/armour of mobs a bit more substantially when a tank joins? This does the dual job of making runs slightly faster due to low health but the effect being neutralized due to low warrior dmg and makes taunts a bit more needed with am increased mob damage ( not too much so no one ignores wars)
Acclimatizing of mobs to the party class balance good go a long way in making everyone more equally useful. The same could be applied to a mage, where the dmg and hp goes down but mob density increases slightly.
Thus 2wars 2 mages will still have a different kind of run than a 1w 1m 2r but the the difference will be much less, since the enemies faced will be tweaked differently for different classes
Also, one-hitting of atleast full legendary boss should not be possible. This greatly increases an imbalance. Whats the use of a warrior if he can be one hit just like a rogue or tank

Luck:-
The problem ofcourse is the complete unpredictability of the drop. You can drop at 1 or at 600. Of course removing luck will make the game much less fun;
x number of runs gives you 'y' if applied for all gears can get boring quickly. A simpler solution could be -
Incrementing luck percentage with runs
For An example, ASSUME there is 1/1000 chance of looting a recipe when you begin.
Instead of this remaining the same throughout , it could be stepped up to
1/900 runs after say a 100-200 runs
Another increment to 1/800 after a total of 300-400 runs.
Thus this makes it so that theoretically you will loot it after a certain number of runs. While you can still loot it at 1st run, the chances will be significantly greater after the 100th or 500th run ( ofcourse this would reset and there would be seperate counters for the loots i.e. looting recipe wont reset fossil counter)
Any feedback would be well appreciated :)

intizamfamily888
05-14-2015, 08:40 AM
+1 for that

Daggee
05-14-2015, 08:40 AM
+1 to this.I think this shuld be implemented into game

Trikzy
05-14-2015, 08:45 AM
The luck idea seems to have potential although some people might start whining about it. So maybe there should be a new item what could be only obtained through hard work and the new thing should have a value, which makes people want it.

merch_master
05-14-2015, 08:58 AM
The luck idea seems to have potential although some people might start whining about it. So maybe there should be a new item what could be only obtained through hard work and the new thing should have a value, which makes people want it.
Hard work items are a must, i agree. But everything cant be based on hard work , arcane stuff like fossil should never be completely farmable, nor so completely based on luck.
This provides a compromise between two. You need BOTH luck and farming. More farming, less luck need and if you have good luck, then you womt hav to farm as much ;)

Trikzy
05-14-2015, 09:07 AM
Hard work items are a must, i agree. But everything cant be based on hard work , arcane stuff like fossil should never be completely farmable, nor so completely based on luck.
This provides a compromise between two. You need BOTH luck and farming. More farming, less luck need and if you have good luck, then you womt hav to farm as much ;)

One or two high-value-items-only-obtainable through hard work are enough. This gives the poor end-gamers and new players a goal to work for and get alot of money for it. Then the luck system can stay the way it currently is because there are peopls who either do not want or cant afford to be pay-to-win type they could rely on grinding for that item and eventually enjoy the fruits of the labour :)

merch_master
05-14-2015, 09:09 AM
One or two high-value-items-only-obtainable through hard work are enough. This gives the poor end-gamers and new players a goal to work for and get alot of money for it. Then the luck system can stay the way it currently is because there are peopls who either do not want or cant afford to be pay-to-win type they could rely on grinding for that item and eventually enjoy the fruits of the labour :)
Wait, thats exactly what im saying o.0
Chance for everyone, better for hard workers
Im confused, are you agreeing or disagreeing with my point?

Trikzy
05-14-2015, 09:32 AM
Wait, thats exactly what im saying o.0
Chance for everyone, better for hard workers
Im confused, are you agreeing or disagreeing with my point?
Im agreeing that there should be few of those hard work items and then let the luck system stay the way it is or if STS isnt going to do so, change the luck system

merch_master
05-14-2015, 09:35 AM
Im agreeing that there should be few of those hard work items and then let the luck system stay the way it is or if STS isnt going to do so, change the luck system
Seriously? Luck system be as it is? O.o
Bro, i know people who has run almost 1000 runs with nothing to show for it, and a nab buddy who looted fossil in 3rd run and literally sold it for 3m !!!
Does this seem in anyway fair?
Is it that i should not have ANYTHING to show for my 300 odd runs? Atleast an improved luck would be some kind of appeasement. Should my chances after half a thousand runs be same as during my first run? I think not

Titanfall
05-14-2015, 09:43 AM
I suggested this a few months back

Fightbeast
05-14-2015, 09:49 AM
Nice idea :)

merch_master
05-14-2015, 09:50 AM
I suggested this a few months back
Both ideas? Well more people suggesting it the better, wasn't around forums back then

Trikzy
05-14-2015, 10:20 AM
Seriously? Luck system be as it is? O.o
Bro, i know people who has run almost 1000 runs with nothing to show for it, and a nab buddy who looted fossil in 3rd run and literally sold it for 3m !!!
Does this seem in anyway fair?
Is it that i should not have ANYTHING to show for my 300 odd runs? Atleast an improved luck would be some kind of appeasement. Should my chances after half a thousand runs be same as during my first run? I think not

I meant that if STS adds some new obtainable-only-through-hard-work thingy then the luck system can be as it is and if STS isnt going to do this or some alternative thing, then STS should change the luck system

Socrates
05-14-2015, 10:28 AM
+1 for the whole thread!!!!

Kriticality
05-14-2015, 10:43 AM
The thing about this game is that it's always a race to items. The first there will reap the most rewards. It's why luck is important. That's why making all items farmable for a set number of runs isn't a good idea. If it takes the op parties 3.5-4.5 minutes an arena run and a legendary party 7-9 mins, assuming we play the same amount of time, all op players can literally loot 2 in the time of 1 for the other players. It won't be a good way to make gold. It would be a good way to get items.

Agree that the luck system could use some tweaking though.

merch_master
05-14-2015, 01:03 PM
The thing about this game is that it's always a race to items. The first there will reap the most rewards. It's why luck is important. That's why making all items farmable for a set number of runs isn't a good idea. If it takes the op parties 3.5-4.5 minutes an arena run and a legendary party 7-9 mins, assuming we play the same amount of time, all op players can literally loot 2 in the time of 1 for the other players. It won't be a good way to make gold. It would be a good way to get items.

Agree that the luck system could use some tweaking though.
Exactly, making everything farmable is a bore. Example lower mythics can be farmable, and arcanes luck based BUT amount of farming you do influencing luck is good, coz no one wants to get stuck in a 1000 run no loot rut

Dimitrian
05-14-2015, 01:06 PM
+1 to this...im a warrior

Energizeric
05-14-2015, 01:36 PM
The OP has a nice idea, but I can assure you that the programming of such a system would be a nightmare and would require a team of mathameticians, and would also exponentially increase the digital footprint and slow the speed of the game. I don't think such a system is within the realistic capability of STG or a mobile game.

merch_master
05-20-2015, 01:08 PM
The OP has a nice idea, but I can assure you that the programming of such a system would be a nightmare and would require a team of mathameticians, and would also exponentially increase the digital footprint and slow the speed of the game. I don't think such a system is within the realistic capability of STG or a mobile game.
The class to mob relation yes, the luck as well? no i dont think so
Incrementing the odds after 'x' number of runs *can be recorded behind the scenes just like points in tier system* and tweaking the odds system accordingly should be pretty straight forward