Lv 55 crafting...is even more worth it now (at least for archers)

[Physiologic]

http://i53.tinypic.com/15hkftd.jpg

Previously, the difference between a RR set versus a Customized set was the sacrifice of 18 damage for 18 H/s.

Now, for the sacrifice of 12 damage, you get 18 h/s, 5 more crit, 2 more dodge, 2 more m/s, and 2 more armor.

I'd say that's a pretty damn good deal.

edit: Here's the before (left) and after (right, post-GCD) picture:

http://i56.tinypic.com/2d99vmo.jpg

[KingFu]

So, new set bonuses on crafted sets? Or new stats? What's it like for Mage and str gear now? Never noticed >.<

[Ellyidol]

Same for Auto-bow Phys?

[FluffNStuff]

So does mm crafted have a 30 m/s bonus?

[Zeus]

Same for Auto-bow Phys?

Autobow still has same stats unfortunately. I can confirm this.

[Nightarcher]

Just a quick correction, I belive prior to the update, it was a 16 damage for 18 H/s sacrifice. I used it and compared them extensively. ;)

The reason I switched after using it for so long is because as archers, you take the most damage. You have low armor and defence unless using drainers, so 18 H/s is about half as useful on an archer as it is on a mage or bear. Your offence is your defence, so I would mainly compare the trade-off of damage, crit, dodge, and possibly armor when determining the sets' worths.

[Gluttony]

Just a quick correction, I belive prior to the update, it was a 16 damage for 18 H/s sacrifice. I used it and compared them extensively. ;)

The reason I switched after using it for so long is because as archers, you take the most damage. You have low armor and defence unless using drainers, so 18 H/s is about half as useful on an archer as it is on a mage or bear. Your offence is your defence, so I would mainly compare the trade-off of damage, crit, dodge, and possibly armor when determining the sets' worths.

Going to have to agree that I'm not completely sold. I don't think that there should be any trade off, straight points added for spending the time to craft and get recipes and buy the specialty goods. It does help, but I won't be doing it. Damage is the stat that I'm mainly focusing on currently, anything that takes away from damage to get crit, dodge or any other stat for that matter is just a waste imo.

[Physiologic]

Crafted MM set now has a +5000 poker chip bonus for referring a new player.

And I don't see how 16 damage makes sense, every piece of equipment gave exactly +6 damage per piece of RR equip...So that's 6x3 = 18 damage difference between RR and Customized.

[Moogerfooger]

anything that takes away from damage to get crit, dodge or any other stat for that matter is just a waste imo.

Crit is far more important than you are giving it credit for..and dodge is more important point-for-point than armor. I usually almost away agree with you...but not on this one.

[Ellyidol]

Autobow still has same stats unfortunately. I can confirm this.

Dang, that's what I would have gotten for bear if ever.

I don't really see the reason behind the changes in set bonuses here, rather than the new set bonuses for Crowns/Sewers.

[Nightarcher]

Imagine this hypothetical scenario:

1. A 5-second period of time passes where a bear and archer are being attacked identically.
2. The archer has 85 armor and the bear has 150.
3. The attack has a damage power of 200.
4. The attack speed is 1 second, no debuffs.

So, in 5 seconds, the bird takes 5 x (200-85) damage, or 575 damage. (imagine he has higher health)

In 5 seconds, the bear takes 5 x (200-150) damage, or 250 damage.

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Now, let's say they both want to compare having 20 H/s for those 5 seconds.

The bird would heal 100 out of 575 damage, making the H/s heal about 17% of the damage taken.

The bear would heal 100 out of 250 damage, making the H/s heal about 40% of the damage taken.

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I'm just trying to make the point that while the H/s is high for a bird, H/s is a lot less valuable for a bird than for a bear. This doesn't take dodge into account, but you can see the gist of it. A buffed bird in custom has about the same dodge as a fury bear. :)

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(plus, 5 crit won't make as big of a difference with 75 buffed crit and no possible crit debuffs as 10-15 damage will, and many damage debuffs exist)

[Draiinbamage]

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"Crit is far more important than you are giving it credit for..and dodge is more important point-for-point than armor."

[Nightarcher]

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"Crit is far more important than you are giving it credit for..and dodge is more important point-for-point than armor."

When the sewers first came out, everyone was drooling over the damage of the Henchman gear. I noticed that bagman's and later RR had crit and I did a lot more damage output, so it's not argueing against crit. :p

It's the fact that your crit can't get debuffed and it's already extremely high, whereas damage can. Don't forget that crit is a % and damage isn't.

[JaytB]

I'll post screenies of fortified and enchanted sets tomorrow after work.

A quick glance tells me: +10 armor on fortified
Enchanted wand/bracer: same :( even same sparkles as non crafted set
Enchanted gemstone staff: some more m/s only I believe

[Gluttony]

Crit is far more important than you are giving it credit for..and dodge is more important point-for-point than armor. I usually almost away agree with you...but not on this one.

Sorry Moog, my opinion. I know crit is important, and 5% is quite a bit... I mostly think that these stats should be in tandem not either or. We also are not talking dodge vs. armor, we are talking dodge vs. damage. With this new GCD update, I cannot afford to stand around and see who wins a punch for punch match. I'm mostly against praise on what has been done here because I am not completely satisfied with the changes, it's an improvement but it falls short of what I would expect of a crafting system.

[Ellyidol]

I'll post screenies of fortified and enchanted sets tomorrow after work.

A quick glance tells me: +10 armor on fortified
Enchanted wand/bracer: same :( even same sparkles as non crafted set
Enchanted gemstone staff: some more m/s only I believe

I hope fortified has more than just 10 armour. :)

Hopefully you have a Fury Axe/Fortified Axe to test with too :P

[jrseventeen]

What's the bonus for fury set?

[Ellyidol]

What's the bonus for fury set?

Yanis has it on his pink list.

But I've heard even the original Fury Set changed, 1 LESS H/S and M/S. Just one source though, have to confirm.

Edit:

No change it seems, thanks Otukura.

[Otukura]

@ Elly.. checking now.

[Moogerfooger]

Just did some quick math.

Scenario: Custom set vs. Raid, 100 hits against a BS enemy with 120 armor.

Over 100 hits, the Raid does only 536 total damage more, or a measly 5.36 per hit. As a tradeoff with Custom, you get 2 dodge, 18 h/s, 2m/s and 2 armor more. Custom FTW, in my opinion.


I'm mostly against praise on what has been done here because I am not completely satisfied with the changes, it's an improvement but it falls short of what I would expect of a crafting system.

Agreed here....Crafting still falls short of what we all initially hoped for, and I certainly hope there is at least a minor tweak to the GCD time as well.

[Gluttony]

Only the numbers for the recurve set are up, I would like to see the numbers for the talon/shield set (and eventually all sets that were affected by this update). Anyone have this information?

[Ellyidol]

Only the numbers for the recurve set are up, I would like to see the numbers for the talon/shield set (and eventually all sets that were affected by this update). Anyone have this information?

Custom Auto-Bow set doesn't seem changed, so it makes me doubt if anything more than the Custom Recurve set was renewed..

[MITSUISUN]

Courtesy of JayB(Ikungfu-family)
Lv56 full dex bird, no ring, no vanity

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/6506/photoebvh.jpg (http://img43.imageshack.us/i/photoebvh.jpg/)

[Zeus]

Courtesy of JayB(Ikungfu-family)
Lv56 full dex bird, no ring, no vanity

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/6506/photoebvh.jpg (http://img43.imageshack.us/i/photoebvh.jpg/)

I gotz to have it....

[JaytB]

Î don't have much time right now, so I'm just posting the screenies for fortified and enchanted. For enchanted, only the gemstone staff stats have changed. Enchanted gemstone/wand remains the same :( It even has the uncrafted set bonus animation (less green sparkles)
Unfortunately I don't have a fortified axe to see if there's a set bonus for it too and I don't feel like crafting one just to find it out.

(No vanity or rings)

http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j344/JaytB1/7ee78f6a.png

http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j344/JaytB1/f0a0ebd1.png

And the one without any changes at all :( ...

http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j344/JaytB1/7b6da56d.png

[Ellyidol]

Thanks Jay!

Fortified definitely improved, huge armour right there. Still not enough to get me to switch though, the dodge is still so low. :(

[MITSUISUN]

One thing I have noticed so far, there are people with shields next to their names. I have see 1 shield, or 2 shields.

Friend was wear full shadow keeper set, and he had 2. I tried it on, same result. Not sure what it means yet. Although I took pic but i dont know how to compare :p

One more to complete, again I have no idea if there's a bonus or compare to old one cuz I didnt find it in Yanis. Man, stats business is a tricky business lol

http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/7940/photo2fp.jpg

[Ellyidol]

Yeah mits, discussion was here :)

http://www.spacetimestudios.com/showthread.php?23384-Shield-Symbol

[MITSUISUN]

ahhh thnx Elly!

What to do, play PL or read forums... I am so behind lol

[JaytB]

ahhh thnx Elly!

What to do, play PL or read forums... I am so behind lol

lol, I feel your pain bud :)

[Ellyidol]

ahhh thnx Elly!

What to do, play PL or read forums... I am so behind lol

Doing forums more, just AFK in game.

I don't really wanna make commitments (buying/selling gear) at times like these, until the changes actually settle down. :P

PvP is much more fun though :)