New endgame Warbirds: OP or not?

[Itoopeo]

99% of endgame PvP birds are pure dex.
The damage is high on pure dex birds, but it has its disadvantages. One biggest counter is called Beckon+Stomp or Ice+Fire.
Birds tend to take so much damage from AoE spells, that in teamfights they are literally feeding opponents with kills.

I have been playing around with my L73 Beastly warbird with my own personal build made for warbird only (It sucks for pure dex, since dexbird dies so fast I dont get the advantages off it.)
73 warbird is a decent matchup against 76/77 mages, birds, foxes, rhinos, dexbears.

77 Lust warbird however has more skill damage, more survivability and more health, dodge and even crit.
Damage is still higher than lets say pallys or bears can do, as long as you avoid hit% debuffs.
Bears are not considered as "OP" as many birds say, since as a warbird you can survive full beckon stomp sms combo and quickly regen back to full hp.

Warbirds playstyle is very different. I personally like to go to melee range when fighting birds and mages, but I avoid bears. I use Avian scream s part of my burst, not just as an escape skill. It also has a knockback so combining it with repulse is great way to keep foxes away or end dexbirds lives with a nice big throw. :boxing:

I think everyone who has a 77 bird and str Lust set, should spend 4 plat and try to learn it. I say its as viable as dagger bears, if you use it right.


Share your experiences below people!

[Sheugokin]

99% of endgame PvP birds are pure dex.
The damage is high on pure dex birds, but it has its disadvantages. One biggest counter is called Beckon+Stomp or Ice+Fire.
Birds tend to take so much damage from AoE spells, that in teamfights they are literally feeding opponents with kills.

I have been playing around with my L73 Beastly warbird with my own personal build made for warbird only (It sucks for pure dex, since dexbird dies so fast I dont get the advantages off it.)
73 warbird is a decent matchup against 76/77 mages, birds, foxes, rhinos, dexbears.

77 Lust warbird however has more skill damage, more survivability and more health, dodge and even crit.
Damage is still higher than lets say pallys or bears can do, as long as you avoid hit% debuffs.
Bears are not considered as "OP" as many birds say, since as a warbird you can survive full beckon stomp sms combo and quickly regen back to full hp.

Warbirds playstyle is very different. I personally like to go to melee range when fighting birds and mages, but I avoid bears. I use Avian scream s part of my burst, not just as an escape skill. It also has a knockback so combining it with repulse is great way to keep foxes away or end dexbirds lives with a nice big throw. :boxing:

I think everyone who has a 77 bird and str Lust set, should spend 4 plat and try to learn it. I say its as viable as dagger bears, if you use it right.


Share your experiences below people!

Str = Wimps

End of story gg.

[Groaning]

Str = Wimps

End of story gg.

Words of wisdom :)

[Ssneakykills]

Ya that very special 73 war build that is top secret because you never know when people will start playing 73 warbird as well


andi doubt a 73 warbird does well against 76/77 mages or bears

[anahadaz]

Str = Wimps

End of story gg.

No better way to put it.

[plpr]

99% of endgame PvP birds are pure dex.
The damage is high on pure dex birds, but it has its disadvantages. One biggest counter is called Beckon+Stomp or Ice+Fire.
Birds tend to take so much damage from AoE spells, that in teamfights they are literally feeding opponents with kills.

I have been playing around with my L73 Beastly warbird with my own personal build made for warbird only (It sucks for pure dex, since dexbird dies so fast I dont get the advantages off it.)
73 warbird is a decent matchup against 76/77 mages, birds, foxes, rhinos, dexbears.

77 Lust warbird however has more skill damage, more survivability and more health, dodge and even crit.
Damage is still higher than lets say pallys or bears can do, as long as you avoid hit% debuffs.
Bears are not considered as "OP" as many birds say, since as a warbird you can survive full beckon stomp sms combo and quickly regen back to full hp.

Warbirds playstyle is very different. I personally like to go to melee range when fighting birds and mages, but I avoid bears. I use Avian scream s part of my burst, not just as an escape skill. It also has a knockback so combining it with repulse is great way to keep foxes away or end dexbirds lives with a nice big throw. :boxing:

I think everyone who has a 77 bird and str Lust set, should spend 4 plat and try to learn it. I say its as viable as dagger bears, if you use it right.


Share your experiences below people!

i thought the thread was a joke..

[Reunegade]

I stopped reading when it said Warbirds: OP.

[Sheugokin]

i thought the thread was a joke..

I thought so too, but I guess not.

[Waug]

STR bird is not op in general but as I say, killing.non str is easier with it.

and the birds who says bears r not op are those who play bear in their alt mostly or those who always fight someone hiding behind his str guild mostly. this is like a fam bear saying others 'str nub' u should rly ignore that.

If birds were op equipping str gear trust me u were not first to discover in june, 2015 and endgame would not b filled with str mages & bears.

In the fear of getting two hitter if you equip str, the dmg would b so low that u would not b able to kill str either. but getting str to srvive nothing wrong and you should ignore the hatters in such case. It's just rock solid hypocrisy to blame a bird being str whears the 90% endgame is str.

At last I'd suggest u to mix str & dex (dual spec) it's way better

[Sheugokin]

STR bird is not op in general but as I say, killing.non str is easier with it.

and the birds who says bears r not op are those who play bear in their alt mostly or those who always fight someone hiding behind his str guild mostly. this is like a fam bear saying others 'str nub' u should rly ignore that.

If birds were op equipping str gear trust me u were not first to discover in june, 2015 and endgame would not b filled with str mages & bears.

In the fear of getting two hitter if you equip str, the dmg would b so low that u would not b able to kill str either. but getting str to srvive nothing wrong and you should ignore the hatters in such case. It's just rock solid hypocrisy to blame a bird being str whears the 90% endgame is str.

At last I'd suggest u to mix str & dex (dual spec) it's way better

One post that I agreed with you on.

[Waug]

One post that I agreed with you on.

Then proly u could not understand the rest, or maybe I didn't explain like this one...

[Itoopeo]

Ya that very special 73 war build that is top secret because you never know when people will start playing 73 warbird as well


andi doubt a 73 warbird does well against 76/77 mages or bears




My build turns into 77 build when I just add 4 more points to repulse.

Not bears that well but mages are easier than as pure dex





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[KingFu]

My build turns into 77 build when I just add 4 more points to repulse.

+20 attribute points
+a 2pc/3pc ring
+a lust set, or at the very least, crafted bsm set

Oh ya, and ya know, being decent.

[Itoopeo]

Str = Wimps

End of story gg.


Joepally is a wimp? And Arsmage? Noooo.....
Your argument is invalid


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[Waug]

Joepally is a wimp? And Arsmage? Noooo.....
Your argument is invalid


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I just googled to know the meaning of wimp and found this the perfect word to describe em ow I dont fight ars, he s a frnd so Idk.

The way the whole guild not only him fight to me- tickle me and ran back to hide behind either guildies or tree, booting if its 3-3, holding spot etc etc

[anahadaz]

Joepally is a wimp? And Arsmage? Noooo.....
Your argument is invalid


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Yes joe is a 'wimp' because he uses the op gear in the game instead of int, because he knows he would get farmed by any other int or dex pvper.

[Reunegade]

Yes joe is a 'wimp' because he uses the op gear in the game instead of int, because he knows he would get farmed by any other int or dex pvper.
That's a bad mindset. One should not be called a wimp solely on the gear they wear, that's just pure ignorance.

[anahadaz]

That's a bad mindset. One should not be called a wimp solely on the gear they wear, that's just pure ignorance.

Well it is true in this situation since itoopeo seems to think that str isn't op/an easier class to use.

Loving that sig though.

[Itoopeo]

Well it is true in this situation since itoopeo seems to think that str isn't op/an easier class to use.

Loving that sig though.




Str isnt a class.





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[anahadaz]

Str isnt a class.




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I'm sure you knew what I meant. What would you like me to call it instead then, lol.

[Itoopeo]

I'm sure you knew what I meant. What would you like me to call it instead then, lol.




Stat.

And there is no specific stat for each class. Bird is not "meant" to be dex, since str works too and boosts defensive stats more.

Bears can use int gear, it also works fine, and gives the possibility to use smitten combo or other similiar depending on the weqpon.

Int birds can do nature strike i think with certain staffs.

However you can call a mage who uses str set a wimp, since its considered as OP without real weaknesses.
Warbirds are not OP so you cant call them wimps. Just consider warbird as a class of its own.





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[Ssneakykills]

That's a bad mindset. One should not be called a wimp solely on the gear they wear, that's just pure ignorance.

Not really a bad mindset when the person in mind won't change gear to accommodate fair 1vs1s

You remind me of armourslash

[KingFu]

Yes joe is a 'wimp' because he uses the op gear in the game instead of int, because he knows he would get farmed by any other int or dex pvper.

In Joe's case, he's been a pally for about as long as I've known him, so at least since 50 cap. He even renamed to Joepally during I believe 56 cap. So he's a little bit of a different scenario from most pallies, who just went str to jump on the op bandwagon and not need to know how to play.


And Arsmage?

No idea who Arsemage is tho.

[Itoopeo]

Not really a bad mindset when the person in mind won't change gear to accommodate fair 1vs1s



You remind me of armourslash




Well if you consider pallys as "unfair" thrn you are obviously a new gen noob who has no idea how to counter these pallys.

Using blind makes them useless. Time roots with their heal, and try to use the small 400 base hp against them by bursting fast 600 damage to them using cruel blast and roots.
Its enough believe me.


To main topic - warbirds lack damage so bursting pallys down is very hard and you need to hit all skills including Avian damage. It is possible tho, and the str set gives plenty of time to try again and again, and even save focus buff until pally runs out of armor buff.


Learn to know how to play against different classes before you cry here.

Pocket legends has total 15 different classes with 5 different skillsets and 3 different stat based item sets for each.
If you are used to play against only 5 classes, you are really a nub. Literally.

Would you cry if you get farmed by lust dagger set rhino? 400 armor 900+dps?
It hurts yeah and doesnt die, still it has its weaknesses.



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[KingFu]

Pocket legends has total 15 different classes


Str isnt a class.

^
/11chars.

[Groaning]

Whoa we have 15 classes now. :/ Am I just stupid or have I been missing out D:

[Suentous PO]

There are more! You forgot all the tri-stat classes!

[Ssneakykills]

Well if you consider pallys as "unfair" thrn you are obviously a new gen noob who has no idea how to counter these pallys.

Using blind makes them useless. Time roots with their heal, and try to use the small 400 base hp against them by bursting fast 600 damage to them using cruel blast and roots.
Its enough believe me.


To main topic - warbirds lack damage so bursting pallys down is very hard and you need to hit all skills including Avian damage. It is possible tho, and the str set gives plenty of time to try again and again, and even save focus buff until pally runs out of armor buff.


Learn to know how to play against different classes before you cry here.

Pocket legends has total 15 different classes with 5 different skillsets and 3 different stat based item sets for each.
If you are used to play against only 5 classes, you are really a nub. Literally.

Would you cry if you get farmed by lust dagger set rhino? 400 armor 900+dps?
It hurts yeah and doesnt die, still it has its weaknesses.



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I struggle to comprehend how wrong and absurd half the things you say are and you really shouldn't be telling me how to play my own class because I'm pretty sure I've played bird longer than you and at various levels.

Im getting lectured by someone who has a bird with 9k kills and 3k deaths why do I even bother feeding the trolls

[Itoopeo]

I struggle to comprehend how wrong and absurd half the things you say are and you really shouldn't be telling me how to play my own class because I'm pretty sure I've played bird longer than you and at various levels.

Im getting lectured by someone who has a bird with 9k kills and 3k deaths why do I even bother feeding the trolls




Actually 14k kills and you keep whining about some variations of pally being op, while its not.
If I use blind -> pally wont do any damage.
If pally gets to use ice+fire on me, she chunks only 30% of my health.


Warbird might seem op but all you have to do is use bow set and root blind root combo.

Talon set doesnt work since blind root cruel blast is not enough to kill.





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[Befs]

Actually 14k kills and you keep whining about some variations of pally being op, while its not.
If I use blind -> pally wont do any damage.
If pally gets to use ice+fire on me, she chunks only 30% of my health.


Warbird might seem op but all you have to do is use bow set and root blind root combo.

Talon set doesnt work since blind root cruel blast is not enough to kill.





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Bot I thot dat blindz ownli tekes het % nawt demuge.

[anahadaz]

Bot I thot dat blindz ownli tekes het % nawt demuge.

It does quite a lot of damage.

[Groaning]

It does quite a lot of damage.

Isn't it the second most damaging skill next to blast?

[Ssneakykills]

Isn't it the second most damaging skill next to blast?

Avian is next

[Ssneakykills]

Also to @itoopeo

Thanks for the new inspirational quote I could add to my collection I think it suits the others well

[Sheugokin]

Actually 14k kills and you keep whining about some variations of pally being op, while its not.
If I use blind -> pally wont do any damage.
If pally gets to use ice+fire on me, she chunks only 30% of my health.


Warbird might seem op but all you have to do is use bow set and root blind root combo.

Talon set doesnt work since blind root cruel blast is not enough to kill.





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I just LOVE how he has not mentioned the OP dodge pallies have.

High armor and high health are just two aspects of pallies. But the dodge is what really pisses many people off.

I think that is why many people think that STR is OP.

If you have played, quoting you, during the "sewer cap since 2013," how do you not realize the increasing dodge %? Please, take you time and reevaluate your arguments because right now, I don't even know if you just started or if you are just trolling.

I am almost sure it is not the latter.

[Budapest]

I'm not even going to get involved in this thread, Itoopeo just cracks me up. :)

[anahadaz]

I would actually be happy if they just whipped out a bit of effort and nerfed the crit in the str sets, wouldn't take much effort at all, and maybe nerf rage too.

[Suentous PO]

I would actually be happy if they just whipped out a bit of effort and nerfed the crit in the str sets, wouldn't take much effort at all, and maybe nerf rage too.

Also wouldn't take much to fix one # in the quest count, or for them to answer a simple question on bsm drop tables,
Buuuuuutt


Yeeaahh

It's pl

[Itoopeo]

I just LOVE how he has not mentioned the OP dodge pallies have.



High armor and high health are just two aspects of pallies. But the dodge is what really pisses many people off.



I think that is why many people think that STR is OP.



If you have played, quoting you, during the "sewer cap since 2013," how do you not realize the increasing dodge %? Please, take you time and reevaluate your arguments because right now, I don't even know if you just started or if you are just trolling.



I am almost sure it is not the latter.




My account info says 2011 so I have never said such thing as sneaky "quotes"

Dodge is not a problem, just use root not hard. Or cb.

With pallies just look when they use heal and then root root blind cruel blast gf.

They heal only like 160 too so its not instant full hp like mages.

Use cruel blast for tanks especially pallys. I see many birds just spamming shots to pallys and end with double scream heal run and die.
Cruel blast is the main element in nukes.



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[anahadaz]

You seem to forget that they can (and do) dodge roots too.

[Befs]

My account info says 2011 so I have never said such thing as sneaky "quotes"

Dodge is not a problem, just use root not hard. Or cb.

With pallies just look when they use heal and then root root blind cruel blast gf.

They heal only like 160 too so its not instant full hp like mages.

Use cruel blast for tanks especially pallys. I see many birds just spamming shots to pallys and end with double scream heal run and die.
Cruel blast is the main element in nukes.



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Hey sneaky that's a good one

Birds can use cb.

[Suentous PO]

Guis

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Get ready for a "pure dexbird is op" thread soon

[Itoopeo]

Hey sneaky that's a good one

Birds can use cb.




Dodge debuffs in general. Dont forget hamstring thats crazy strong debuff too.





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[Ssneakykills]

Dodge debuffs in general. Dont forget hamstring thats crazy strong debuff too.



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But you said or cb implying that birds would use cb which they can't because that's a bear skill.

Jheez guys did guy is rlly gud

[Waug]

Devilfin, the problem is ur going to fight a pally and trying, but u are not able to kill that in few tries exactly that moment you're thinking if I was dex I could be able to do it ofc that's not incoorect but then u forget if u were dex u would not survive like that, the way u present all the theories reflects this dual mindset, having the advantage of both str & dex at the same time, which is not possible, other than that u had few good points.

[dudetus]

I'm just going to sit back and wait until the "dex birds are OP" thread after he kills a few 71s with his bird.

[AppleNoob]

Well if you consider pallys as "unfair" thrn you are obviously a new gen noob who has no idea how to counter these pallys.

Using blind makes them useless. Time roots with their heal, and try to use the small 400 base hp against them by bursting fast 600 damage to them using cruel blast and roots.
Its enough believe me.


To main topic - warbirds lack damage so bursting pallys down is very hard and you need to hit all skills including Avian damage. It is possible tho, and the str set gives plenty of time to try again and again, and even save focus buff until pally runs out of armor buff.


Learn to know how to play against different classes before you cry here.

Pocket legends has total 15 different classes with 5 different skillsets and 3 different stat based item sets for each.
If you are used to play against only 5 classes, you are really a nub. Literally.

Would you cry if you get farmed by lust dagger set rhino? 400 armor 900+dps?
It hurts yeah and doesnt die, still it has its weaknesses.



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Stopped reading at newgen noob.
Only New gens do that insult.

[Itoopeo]

Devilfin, the problem is ur going to fight a pally and trying, but u are not able to kill that in few tries exactly that moment you're thinking if I was dex I could be able to do it ofc that's not incoorect but then u forget if u were dex u would not survive like that, the way u present all the theories reflects this dual mindset, having the advantage of both str & dex at the same time, which is not possible, other than that u had few good points.




My theory is based on the fact that i did kill 71 beastly pallys with great success rate. They did like no damage to me, and I eventually killed them.
Same should go for 76/77 warbird vs pally fights

since these levels are very much likely.



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[Itoopeo]

I'm just going to sit back and wait until the "dex birds are OP" thread after he kills a few 71s with his bird.




I killed ayaxl already. And Hnw with root blast repulse combo since hes pure





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[AppleNoob]

My theory is based on the fact that i did kill 71 beastly pallys with great success rate. They did like no damage to me, and I eventually killed them.
Same should go for 76/77 warbird vs pally fights

since these levels are very much likely.



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Uh no It won't.

[Itoopeo]

Uh no It won't.




It will.





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[AppleNoob]

It will.





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Just believe what you want to believe. It doesn't make you right.

[Etarbitrev]

Embicle gone viral or somit?

[anahadaz]

Embicle gone viral or somit?

Ya. Embicle.

[bearuang]

There were few eg bird's that used to be str lust bird for a while but they prefer went back to pure.. Ex:cold,chaotik
I believe with their experiences they know bird better than you do
If warbird really that op as u speculated
They must have been a warbird till now
and it would must be a trend already

[Itoopeo]

There were few eg bird's that used to be str lust bird for a while but they prefer went back to pure.. Ex:cold,chaotik
I believe with their experiences they know bird better than you do
If warbird really that op as u speculated
They must have been a warbird till now
and it would must be a trend already

Well look at Colds pure dex stats thats why he went back dex. He has so OP items based on dex

[Itoopeo]

Just believe what you want to believe. It doesn't make you right.

Well you aint right either. Dont think anything about yourself, you are not smarter than others. (seems like you do think so)

[AppleNoob]

Well you aint right either. Dont think anything about yourself, you are not smarter than others. (seems like you do think so)

No? I just believe I'm right in this matter. It doesn't mean I believe I'm smarter than others.

[Itoopeo]

No? I just believe I'm right in this matter. It doesn't mean I believe I'm smarter than others.




It seems like you do by saying my opinions are wrong.
And also constantly throwing half hidden insults towards me.

I have been so long on these forums, then you just suddenly appear from a bush and start calling me new gen and saying i dont know anything about PL PvP.


Back to topic - If my bird was 77 I would be using lust str set and I would prove you my theory.





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[AppleNoob]

It seems like you do by saying my opinions are wrong.
And also constantly throwing half hidden insults towards me.

I have been so long on these forums, then you just suddenly appear from a bush and start calling me new gen and saying i dont know anything about PL PvP.


Back to topic - If my bird was 77 I would be using lust str set and I would prove you my theory.





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Well let's see, Mr. balefort sewers cap from 2013.

I have not insulted you and while I've not been on the forums as long as you, appleisaac could confirm (if he was here today) I was in PL before you. I am also saying your opinion in this case is wrong. I however have not gone full out and said you were wrong in every way.

As you said back to the topic, your theory would be wrong.

[XghostzX]

Str = Wimps

End of story gg.

Thanked/thumbed

[Itoopeo]

Well let's see, Mr. balefort sewers cap from 2013.

I have not insulted you and while I've not been on the forums as long as you, appleisaac could confirm (if he was here today) I was in PL before you. I am also saying your opinion in this case is wrong. I however have not gone full out and said you were wrong in every way.

As you said back to the topic, your theory would be wrong.




My account info still says 2011 and I havent said such thing as sewer cap quote says.

And because I am 100% sure about 77 lust warbird will work in some way with certain gear, I want someone to switch to str and show me some gameplay.
Since warbird was very viable at 71/73 and 56/66, I say it is as viable on 77 too.
At least birds, mages, some pallys, dexbears, foxes and rhinos come down easily.





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[Sheugokin]

My account info still says 2011 and I havent said such thing as sewer cap quote says.

And because I am 100% sure about 77 lust warbird will work in some way with certain gear, I want someone to switch to str and show me some gameplay.
Since warbird was very viable at 71/73 and 56/66, I say it is as viable on 77 too.
At least birds, mages, some pallys, dexbears, foxes and rhinos come down easily.





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Can you tell me if warbirds were viable in 2013 during the Balefort Sewers cap? Lol?

Honestly, warbirds lack a heck a lotta damage. As an int mage, I can easily burst many warbirds down.

If weakness hits, you're dead.

[Seoratrek]

This thread has run its course. Please be sure to be respectful when debating. Thanks! :)