Rage of the Ren'gol Sneak Peek | Ren'gol Crates

[cami]

I'm not complaining hehe but is true, I imagine the drop crate token in chest like a teeth from a boss, well I must to say Thanks you STS because I dont need plat to get a crate token, you guys give us the oportunity of get a arcane item too. But I only hope the chance will be normal >.<

[Carapace]

The intent is to allow free 2 play players have a shot at the same loot as pay to play players. We provided a similar system with previous expansions with Mythic and Arcane items dropping from Elite Gold Chests, so this shares the same philosophy.

What it doesn't share, is the odds. We're still toying with those to make them more reasonable compared to those iterations. As anyone familiar with economics knows, supply and demand is what makes these items worth while. As an example, we can't have everyone running around with an Arcane Ring, however we certainly want to see more of them in the general population.

[cami]

The intent is to allow free 2 play players have a shot at the same loot as pay to play players. We provided a similar system with previous expansions with Mythic and Arcane items dropping from Elite Gold Chests, so this shares the same philosophy.

What it doesn't share, is the odds. We're still toying with those to make them more reasonable compared to those iterations. As anyone familiar with economics knows, supply and demand is what makes these items worth while. As an example, we can't have everyone running around with an Arcane Ring (this made my day) , however we certainly want to see more of them in the general population.

hehe ok ty for the explanation :P

[kinzmet]

The intent is to allow free 2 play players have a shot at the same loot as pay to play players. We provided a similar system with previous expansions with Mythic and Arcane items dropping from Elite Gold Chests, so this shares the same philosophy.

What it doesn't share, is the odds. We're still toying with those to make them more reasonable compared to those iterations. As anyone familiar with economics knows, supply and demand is what makes these items worth while. As an example, we can't have everyone running around with an Arcane Ring, however we certainly want to see more of them in the general population.

I just hope that the drop rate on those tokens would not be fossil drop rate. Like opening hundreds of Gold Orc Chests looting and only one token. Anyway, as you said your guys were still toying on the odds.

PS: What I like on these new locks are the awesome chest design, great job on that!

[Oursizes]

I dont see why tokens can't just be a secondary drop like teeth. I haven't gotten to play dungeons on ts as i use google play to login, but many players said that the new maps were pretty lengthy. Tokens having the same odds as teeth dropping will give f2p a reasonable goal and will take a good amount of time to reach. A chance within a chance(gold orc crates) is complete bullcrap to me. Thats exactly like looting a fossil in arena,which is little to none. Its about time sts hires testers instead of letting the rich players give their "input" in how it should be for f2p players too. I honestly think more than half of the f2p players will agree with me that the token system should be like teeth, as its reasonable. As many people will skip this post, I like to eat peanut butter with bananas. Its been stated and suggested many times too, i dont understand how sts doesnt read those meaningful posts. No one wants a chance within a chance. If you're gonna give plat buyers one guaranteed token for five plats spent, its better to give maps the drop rate of teeth, tokens being the secondary drops. Example, even if you farm 10 teeth a day, it will take 15 days to get a dragonite bar. If you farm 10 tokens a day, it takes 75 days to get ONE arcane item. None of us wants to open 5038374829248472727388 gold chests and end up with 16 tokens. Also consider the token daily quest to add to an npc

[Ardbeg]

A chance within a chance(gold orc crates) is complete bullcrap to me. Thats exactly like looting a fossil in arena,which is little to none.

The Fossil drops are actually well balanced at the moment. just watch the steady influx everyday. in fact *a lot* of the friends i run daily arena with looted at least one fossil by now. you can still rightfully course RNG drops, but the fossil drops, it s just not a guaranteed drop. if anything, there should be more besides the fossil to drop.

[Oursizes]

The Fossil drops are actually well balanced at the moment. just watch the steady influx everyday. in fact *a lot* of the friends i run daily arena with looted at least one fossil by now. you can still rightfully course RNG drops, but the fossil drops, it s just not a guaranteed drop. if anything, there should be more besides the fossil to drop.
It was just to compare to the rate that tokens hopefully are not dropping at. few to some people have looted fossil from arena, assuming you take a number from all endgame players. Thing is we were told that the new expansion would come a step closer to ending this RNG system, but it seems the total opposite.

[Zylx]

Thats 340 tokens per 1,700 plat. In order to get the arcane shard (750 tokens), one would need to make an order for 1,700 plat (340tokens)($89.99usd), another order for 1,700 plat (680tokens)($179.98usd), plus an order for 600 plat (800tokens)($229.97usd).

It could cost less depending on how much platinum is returned from these crates, and could cost more if one were to have purchased smaller amounts of platinum over a longer period of time.

So...

1 Guaranteed Arcane Shard:

750 tokens
3,750 plat
$229.97

[Dalmony]

Sorry but can u share where they say about "more than one mythic set",I'm clueless about that.

I'm not really sure what the situation is with the mythics:

- There was an announced farmable mythic set called "Glintstone." This set will have a set bonus if you wear all 4 pieces.

- There were mythic items in the token vendor on the test server; I think a mythic helm and an armor, which were not called "Glintstone" but had another name.

- The mythics available from the token vendor and also listed in the drops from these chests include a "mythic belt" however it was confirmed that the Mythic Glintstone set will comprise of- helm, armor, ring, and amulet.

The mythic items in the vendor might have just been placeholder items and may not actually exist but it gave the impression that additional mythics are hanging around (if not necessarily a "set") as well as the Glintstone mythics.

We still don't know all of the loot that will be available in the expansion.

[Trojan2100]

I'm not really sure what the situation is with the mythics:

- There was an announced farmable mythic set called "Glintstone." This set will have a set bonus if you wear all 4 pieces.

- There were mythic items in the token vendor on the test server; I think a mythic helm and an armor, which were not called "Glintstone" but had another name.

- The mythics available from the token vendor and also listed in the drops from these chests include a "mythic belt" however it was confirmed that the Mythic Glintstone set will comprise of- helm, armor, ring, and amulet.

The mythic items in the vendor might have just been placeholder items and may not actually exist but it gave the impression that additional mythics are hanging around (if not necessarily a "set") as well as the Glintstone mythics.

We still don't know all of the loot that will be available in the expansion.

All we know is you can obtain new gears with crate .

[Maunyabastian]

I'm not really sure what the situation is with the mythics:

- There was an announced farmable mythic set called "Glintstone." This set will have a set bonus if you wear all 4 pieces.

- There were mythic items in the token vendor on the test server; I think a mythic helm and an armor, which were not called "Glintstone" but had another name.

- The mythics available from the token vendor and also listed in the drops from these chests include a "mythic belt" however it was confirmed that the Mythic Glintstone set will comprise of- helm, armor, ring, and amulet.

The mythic items in the vendor might have just been placeholder items and may not actually exist but it gave the impression that additional mythics are hanging around (if not necessarily a "set") as well as the Glintstone mythics.

We still don't know all of the loot that will be available in the expansion.

These are some of what the token vendor sells:
3 mythic Glintstone armors for 3 classes. 400 tokens.
1 mythic amulet for Rogue - called Glintstone Amulet of the Slayer. 400 tokens.
3 mythic Bonecrusher belts for 3 classes. 500 tokens. These belts are also lootable in Locked Crates of Ren'gol (so we also have a chance to loot one while we pop crates).

I'm guessing that these armors can be bought either with tokens or crafting.
400 tokens (2,000 plats) = $129,97 (1,700 plats + 2 x 165 plats = 2,030 plats).

[crudmudgeon]

who cares if lots of arcanes and mythics flood the market? its afforable for everyone that way. and it will take time to farm so will keep expansion alive longer. plat buyers can quickly get their things and enjoy the advantages but everyone is pretty much guaranteed them one or the other in the end. either by eventually farming the ingredients or farming crates til they can afford to buy in auction. this is good for everyone. ppl who wouldn't normally buy plat will cos its a guaranteed something, and there will be high demand for crates for ages so good for farmers too.

sts i think this idea is great!

i just wanna know what fibus means when he says they can't be farmed in brackenridge area. cos all lvls need something to farm :)

Nah... they dont ;-P

[justhell]

I'm not really sure what the situation is with the mythics:

- There was an announced farmable mythic set called "Glintstone." This set will have a set bonus if you wear all 4 pieces.

- There were mythic items in the token vendor on the test server; I think a mythic helm and an armor, which were not called "Glintstone" but had another name.

- The mythics available from the token vendor and also listed in the drops from these chests include a "mythic belt" however it was confirmed that the Mythic Glintstone set will comprise of- helm, armor, ring, and amulet.

The mythic items in the vendor might have just been placeholder items and may not actually exist but it gave the impression that additional mythics are hanging around (if not necessarily a "set") as well as the Glintstone mythics.

We still don't know all of the loot that will be available in the expansion.


These are some of what the token vendor sells:
3 mythic Glintstone armors for 3 classes. 400 tokens.
1 mythic amulet for Rogue - called Glintstone Amulet of the Slayer. 400 tokens.
3 mythic Bonecrusher belts for 3 classes. 500 tokens. These belts are also lootable in Locked Crates of Ren'gol (so we also have a chance to loot one while we pop crates).

I'm guessing that these armors can be bought either with tokens or crafting.
400 tokens (2,000 plats) = $129,97 (1,700 plats + 2 x 165 plats = 2,030 plats).

I think dev need to make clarification about this thing.

[KnowledgeFTW]

Arcane inflation incoming

[ilhanna]

The intent is to allow free 2 play players have a shot at the same loot as pay to play players. We provided a similar system with previous expansions with Mythic and Arcane items dropping from Elite Gold Chests...

A shot. LOL. For the moon?

I can understand if for example shard is impossible to find in elite golden dragonscale chest. It's arcane. But we're talking tokens here. An item you need to collect hundreds and hundreds of from a golden chest that may or may not drop every run.

[ilhanna]

...we can't have everyone running around with an Arcane Ring, however we certainly want to see more of them in the general population.

And we will. They will be all, if not 99.9999% locked poppers.

[ilhanna]

The Fossil drops are actually well balanced at the moment. just watch the steady influx everyday. in fact *a lot* of the friends i run daily arena with looted at least one fossil by now. you can still rightfully course RNG drops, but the fossil drops, it s just not a guaranteed drop. if anything, there should be more besides the fossil to drop.

Maybe I should try run arena with you LOL. Still no fossil after I dont know how many runs.

[Ardbeg]

Maybe I should try run arena with you LOL. Still no fossil after I dont know how many runs.

haha, shoot me a pm!

[Wazakesy]

The intent is to allow free 2 play players have a shot at the same loot as pay to play players. We provided a similar system with previous expansions with Mythic and Arcane items dropping from Elite Gold Chests, so this shares the same philosophy.

What it doesn't share, is the odds. We're still toying with those to make them more reasonable compared to those iterations. As anyone familiar with economics knows, supply and demand is what makes these items worth while. As an example, we can't have everyone running around with an Arcane Ring, however we certainly want to see more of them in the general population.

Handle it with care

[Tatman]

Free players to have a shot... I can't even lol at this, as it's not funny.

[justhell]

As anyone familiar with economics knows, supply and demand is what makes these items worth while.

Supply and demand will not work well if farmer didn't have decent/worth thing to farm,that's what happen on AL now. Farmer need more variable exclusive thing to farm.


This is a great thread of feedback! (and a lengthy read)


- Certain Mythic and Arcane items will be available through all Crate variations

1. Which one mythic gonna available on crate?

2. When u said "certain" how many pieces new mythic gears set gonna available through crate?

3. Are u guys planing make one of them (farmable or lootable new mythic gears) to be bound with char?



Answers!


None of the ingredients for either set come from locked crates.

This statement already make some of us feel got trolled. If u guys didn't wanna give clear/right information then don't give it at all,don't give information like this one. Thx for ur time.

[greekAL]

hmmm so it is easy now if u can afford spent lot of money on game do it! if u cant spent a lot of money and in past u bought 600 plats or 1700 only now is waste of money!( was and in past but now u can see it clear :P)

[greekAL]

ohh and f2p players need to games! all p2p need some1 to sell their goodies without f2p less items will sold less plats will spent!

[Dalmony]

The Fossil drops are actually well balanced at the moment. just watch the steady influx everyday. in fact *a lot* of the friends i run daily arena with looted at least one fossil by now. you can still rightfully course RNG drops, but the fossil drops, it s just not a guaranteed drop. if anything, there should be more besides the fossil to drop.

Hehe yeah but.... imagine if suddenly the recipe to get Nekro was 750-1000 fossils. Then you might not find the drop rate so appropriate XD

[Fredystern]

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As you may have previously heard in Productor's May Producer's Letter (http://www.spacetimestudios.com/showthread.php?232374-May-Producer-Letter-for-Arcane-Legends), Locked Grand Crates of the Watch will be retired with the release of the new expansion. The good news? There are new crates coming to take their place!

The Locked Crates of the Ren'gol will come in three varieties: Locked Crate of the Ren'gol, Locked Large Crate of the Ren'gol and Locked MASSIVE Crate of the Ren'gol. As the names imply, larger crates will offer you more and better loot and will have different platinum price points to unlock them.

Locked Crates of the Ren'gol
The normal crates are the most common and can drop in any zone in or after Ydra Forest content. They will cost 5 platinum to open and drop 1 item.

Locked Large Crates of the Ren'gol
The large crates are the second rarest and can drop in any elite zone in or after the Shuyal content. They can also be crafted from regular Locked Ren'gol Crates. They will cost 10 platinum to open and drop 2 items.

Locked Massive Crates of the Ren'gol
These are the rarest crates and will only drop from Elite Ren'gol content. They can also be crafted from Locked Large Crates. They will cost 15 platinum to open and will drop 3 items.

The Loot
The new locked crates will have new loot as well, including:


New Legendary Gear Sets
Mythic Armor and Belts
Pets (including a new Arcane!)
Elixirs
Gold
Platinum (up to 100!)
Jewels
Ankhs and Respec Scrolls
Crate Tokens


Crate Tokens
Crate tokens are a brand new currency that you may have seen teased in the Public Test Server last week. Are you one of those who opened a thousand crates only to find yourself without that Arcane item you so desperately wanted? Now, crates will drop Crate Tokens which can be exchanged at the token vendor for extra rare items in game. So, no matter what, your crate opens will always add up to something.

Does this lock still drop normal arcane weap like kershal, arcane hook, arcane maul, maridos, singe, samael?? and will it drop lvl 26 and 31 mythic item? i wonder will this all items will become limited or no

[justhell]

Does this lock still drop normal arcane weap like kershal, arcane hook, arcane maul, maridos, singe, samael?? and will it drop lvl 26 and 31 mythic item? i wonder will this all items will become limited or no
Wish this can help...



Hi everyone. Last week we posted more info about the new Ren'gol Crates that are coming with the expansion. Thanks for all the great feedback and discussion in that thread!

In the course of the discussion some people asked for more detail about what's going to happen with the Locked Grand Crates of the Watch so here it is:


Locked Grand Crates of the Watch will stop dropping this Thursday, June 25.

All of the Locked Grand Crates of the Watch you have in your inventory will remain until you decide to open, sell, trade, or otherwise use them.

The loot in the Locked Grand Crates of the Watch will stay the same. You'll still have the same chances to get the same great stuff (including Maridos Lemon & Lime, Samael, the Arcane Fossil, Maul of Ollerus, Kershal Scepter, and more) from those crates.

This Thursday we'll also be having a limited time sale on Locked Grand Crates of the Watch! For a limited time you'll be able to open them for 8 Platinum instead of 15.

So there you have it. Truly the end of an era and the beginning of an exciting new one in Arcane Legends. Have fun and please do keep the great feedback coming!

[Dalmony]

I spend real money on the game too... but I also like to PLAY the game. I want to farm the gear and I would like to be able to farm it in a reasonable amount of time.

I just want to say here that I'm a low - moderate play buyer category. I too am a paying customer... just because I don't buy 6000 plat at a time, it doesn't mean I'm not investing my money into this company.

I won't buy the amount of plats in one go that it takes to buy out the token vendor, but I'll buy enough plats for elixirs and other items, to help me farm it.

I also buy items such as pets and vanities which are offered for plats, as well as sometimes buying items for plat to sell for gold.

I'm a paying customer who has actually invested not an insignificant amount of real money into this game, but yet still falls into the category of "farmers."



The intent is to allow free 2 play players have a shot at the same loot as pay to play players.

We provided a similar system with previous expansions with Mythic and Arcane items dropping from Elite Gold Chests, so this shares the same philosophy.



Please don't make the mistake of thinking that anyone who is willing to spend money on this game is satisfied with being offered a thousand dollar shortcut.

The game is not divided up that way... totally F2P players are not the only ones making up the part of the population who want not only a fair farming method to all of the best gear, but one that s achievable in a reasonable timeframe.

That's what's sad about the situation... it's not so much that it's pay to win. Its that you have to invest HEAVILY to win... paying little and often is really starting to feel like a pointless endeavour.

I hate to say it but I want to remain totally honest... I feel like the if the balance is not found quickly then the game is on the verge of losing quite a few players :/

[Oursizes]

Looks like theres no need to voice any good ideas anymore if devs are just gonna ignore them. Gg STS, you did it again.Time to lose most of the player base.

[justhell]

This is a great thread of feedback! (and a lengthy read)

There is still more information yet to be released, but to reiterate there will be a chance to get Crate Tokens from Gold Orc Chests, at a rate yet to be determined for the same reasons everyone is already discussing. We want it to feel appropriate, as with all of our platinum based merchandise you are saving time by spending. It's a delicate balance where players feel time invested is on par or equal to the time saved by paying.

Thanks a lot for bring up this issue,no need to be equal or par between plat players and and free players but at least for example if plat players can earn 5m in a week will be fair if farmer can earn 1 - 2m a week from farming. If plat players got 2 - 3 new thing to loot with plat will be fair if farmer got 1 new thing to farm.

And wish u guys have plan for new players,who really2 have not many option to farm with their curent equipment. Really sad to see them just begging for gold and gears whole day,some of them do that because there are not many option to farm.

[Gttpro]

Wow!

This is just a personal opinion, but I think this needs to be looked into or else, many rare items will be seriously devalued. Perhaps, it should be a 50% chance to grant token? Or else, we will see a serious flooding of arcanes and other valuables in the market.

It should work as a reward system, agreed, but 1 token per drop may be just a tad bit too frequent.Agreed!!! The game would no longer be challenging for some...

[greekAL]

save time from waste all ur time for rare drops is diff :P

[Makneg]

Dang so only plat users can earn token fast then..

[Jazzi]

This is a great thread of feedback! (and a lengthy read)

There is still more information yet to be released, but to reiterate there will be a chance to get Crate Tokens from Gold Orc Chests, at a rate yet to be determined for the same reasons everyone is already discussing. We want it to feel appropriate, as with all of our platinum based merchandise you are saving time by spending. It's a delicate balance where players feel time invested is on par or equal to the time saved by paying.

Keep an eye out for more info over the coming weeks, in the meantime here is some additional information related to the different Ren'gol Crates.

- Each Ren'gol Crate variation will responsible for their own high end loot rewards. In other words, the Item your specifically after may only exist in the Large Ran'gol Crate, or in the Normal Ren'Gol Crate. This in turn helps create a demand for each variation of the crate.

- Certain Mythic and Arcane items will be available through all Crate variations

Firstly "more info over the coming weeks" ? This sounds like the expansion is not coming any time soon ? Am I right in this assumption?

Secondly a chance at tokens from Gold Orc Chests sounds a bit discouraging. It is not like any gold chests are dropping abundantly and then the RNG within RNG. This is exactly what people have been displeased with and it has been discussed on countless threads.

I really hope u get it right this time :) Good luck

[Makneg]

True to that and dont forget how many ankhs and pots needed to use just to run elite maps and also need good gears..without good gears no one will pt you..

[Dimitrian]

Wow
This is officially the most controversial sneak peek.

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[Zeus]

The intent is to allow free 2 play players have a shot at the same loot as pay to play players. We provided a similar system with previous expansions with Mythic and Arcane items dropping from Elite Gold Chests, so this shares the same philosophy.

What it doesn't share, is the odds. We're still toying with those to make them more reasonable compared to those iterations. As anyone familiar with economics knows, supply and demand is what makes these items worth while. As an example, we can't have everyone running around with an Arcane Ring, however we certainly want to see more of them in the general population.

I'm a bit late on viewing this but thank you for the information! It seems pretty reasonable & I hope that golden orc crates turn to be something that are worth opening! :)

[Serancha]

The intent is to allow free 2 play players have a shot at the same loot as pay to play players. We provided a similar system with previous expansions with Mythic and Arcane items dropping from Elite Gold Chests, so this shares the same philosophy.

What it doesn't share, is the odds. We're still toying with those to make them more reasonable compared to those iterations. As anyone familiar with economics knows, supply and demand is what makes these items worth while. As an example, we can't have everyone running around with an Arcane Ring, however we certainly want to see more of them in the general population.

The chances to get arcane items in elite chests were so low that the items may as well have been non-existent. I could count on one hand the amount of people I know of who got arcane in elite chests in 2 years - and over half of those were on the two double (elite chest) odds weekends. I certainly hope that some more realistic numbers are in the works. I understand supply and demand, but it would be better for the health of the game if the distribution was less heavily weighted towards crates.

[Dragola1]

Guys i rlly dont mind this as a none plat, since none plat will just farm lockeds, sell to rich plat users, and buy what they get from lockeds from auc... Simple as that, it's like a life cycle

[Dragola1]

And when the hell is it launching?!

[Carapace]

For clarification, we're looking at odds in the whole number category for Tokens from Gold Chests. As an example, 20%, 15%, 8%, 35%, etc. The Arcanes and Mythic chances of yore are not going to carry over into this particular issue.

The possibility of Tokens also dropping off of bosses is plausible, but will involve an internal discussion related to their frequency. As it stands, each Token is essentially worth 5 Platinum, and we are aware of that.

To reflect on the point that we are ignoring input, I want to point out a lot of the ideas going around in this thread here are solid, and we know it feels like they are being ignored due to our lack of responses in the thread. In reality we're taking them in and making note as well as changes where we feel appropriate based on feedback. A lot of the loot related to crates and this entire thread for example, are all part of a larger ecosystem, and our job as developers is to make sure all of the pieces live together harmoniously.

Thanks for the great feedback guys!

[Ladysophie]

For clarification, we're looking at odds in the whole number category for Tokens from Gold Chests. As an example, 20%, 15%, 8%, 35%, etc. The Arcanes and Mythic chances of yore are not going to carry over into this particular issue.

The possibility of Tokens also dropping off of bosses is plausible, but will involve an internal discussion related to their frequency. As it stands, each Token is essentially worth 5 Platinum, and we are aware of that.

To reflect on the point that we are ignoring input, I want to point out a lot of the ideas going around in this thread here are solid, and we know it feels like they are being ignored due to our lack of responses in the thread. In reality we're taking them in and making note as well as changes where we feel appropriate based on feedback. A lot of the loot related to crates and this entire thread for example, are all part of a larger ecosystem, and our job as developers is to make sure all of the pieces live together harmoniously.

Thanks for the great feedback guys!

Please while you are here a fast question. Will there be two sets of mythic armors, one from rengol crates and the other entirely farmable or just one mythic armor obtainable from crates/vendor & farming?

Its IMPORTANT there are appetible pve exlusive items to farm for the hardcore farmers other than rengol crates, jewels and legendaries from elite. We need new items to replace/add to the current pve exclusive top items list. :(

[Carapace]

Please while you are here a fast question. Will there be two sets of mythic armors, one from rengol crates and the other entirely farmable or just one mythic armor obtainable from crates/vendor & farming?

Its IMPORTANT there are appetible pve exlusive items to farm for the hardcore farmers other than rengol crates, jewels and legendaries from elite. We need new items to replace/add to current pve exclusive top items such as imbueds, recipes snd fossil farming. :(

Notorious PvE "quest for loot" will still be relevant in the expansion!

[Ladysophie]

Notorious PvE quest for loot will still be relevant in the expansion!

MOoooooooooo :)

[Dalmony]

For clarification, we're looking at odds in the whole number category for Tokens from Gold Chests. As an example, 20%, 15%, 8%, 35%, etc. The Arcanes and Mythic chances of yore are not going to carry over into this particular issue.

The possibility of Tokens also dropping off of bosses is plausible, but will involve an internal discussion related to their frequency. As it stands, each Token is essentially worth 5 Platinum, and we are aware of that.

To reflect on the point that we are ignoring input, I want to point out a lot of the ideas going around in this thread here are solid, and we know it feels like they are being ignored due to our lack of responses in the thread. In reality we're taking them in and making note as well as changes where we feel appropriate based on feedback. A lot of the loot related to crates and this entire thread for example, are all part of a larger ecosystem, and our job as developers is to make sure all of the pieces live together harmoniously.

Thanks for the great feedback guys!

Thankyou for the comments and for keeping tabs on the thread :) Your comments are encouraging.

I would ask that when thinking about the rates, that you work not only with drop rates of chests and then of tokens from chests.

Please work the numbers all the way through to calculate an estimated length of time that you would expect it to take us to farm each of these items.

It is very good to know that this is under consideration and good to know our feedback is being read :)

[octavos]

For clarification, we're looking at odds in the whole number category for Tokens from Gold Chests. As an example, 20%, 15%, 8%, 35%, etc. The Arcanes and Mythic chances of yore are not going to carry over into this particular issue.

The possibility of Tokens also dropping off of bosses is plausible, but will involve an internal discussion related to their frequency. As it stands, each Token is essentially worth 5 Platinum, and we are aware of that.

To reflect on the point that we are ignoring input, I want to point out a lot of the ideas going around in this thread here are solid, and we know it feels like they are being ignored due to our lack of responses in the thread. In reality we're taking them in and making note as well as changes where we feel appropriate based on feedback. A lot of the loot related to crates and this entire thread for example, are all part of a larger ecosystem, and our job as developers is to make sure all of the pieces live together harmoniously.

Thanks for the great feedback guys!

Now there's some nice ideas here. Don't forget about the little people. I really love the tokens to fall from bosses..even having a little token goblin would be fantastic and a nice addition. Thx cara..much love.

So to summarize. ..the more that is giving. .the more inclined I would spend. I haven't purchased plat in a while..so im sure with help to the little players like myself. ..a little can go a long way. I would like to support you again..if you can support me.

[Energizeric]

I've tended to stay out of these sorts of discussions in recent months, but now that this discussion seems to be winding down, I'll chime in with some thoughts of my own....

1) I do like the idea of the new token system. Some players, like myself, opened more than 500 locked crates before we ever even looted a mythic item. It would be nice to know that after a certain amount of crates you are guaranteed to get something.

2) As Carapace said, 1 token = 5 plat. So let's explore what that means in terms of gold price per item. Most players are aware that if you have 5 plat, you can basically turn it into around 10k gold. While the straight plat to gold conversion would only yield 5k, buying items like elixirs, ankhs and event energy kits will usually sell for around 2k gold for each plat spent.

So taking that approximate conversion that 1 token = 5 plat = 10k gold, we would see that an item costing 1k tokens would have an approximate gold value of no more than 10m. This means that without the existence of tokens, any player could raise approximately 10m gold by spending 5k plat. However, this conversion rate assumes that the locked crates being opened are obtained for free. Since crates themselves have some value, usually 5-10k each when new and desired items are available in them, then that would add at least another 50%+ to this 10m gold amount. Not to mention that the existence and demand of the tokens themselves could cause the price of locked crates to rise.

So such a system where the top tier arcane items cost 1k tokens would put an approximate price control on these items of 15-20m gold each. Nothing is likely to ever go above that amount in value. So the question is, how much should the best item in the game be worth?

[Rome]

1+ for the tokens in crates.

for those who pop lockeds its nice to have some stability.

[Twomucho]

Seems to me some top players afraid someone might farm them in pvp

[Oursizes]

Seems to me some top players afraid someone might farm them in pvp

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[mrrandomize]

Like i say earlier im some thread,"FREE PLAYER YOU CAN DIE ON TRY"

Thx sts on new tokens....

[carmine_blade]

Now there's some nice ideas here. Don't forget about the little people. I really love the tokens to fall from bosses..even having a little token goblin would be fantastic and a nice addition. Thx cara..much love.


Maybe it could be like the lepregoblin; has a random chance to spawn in maps and drops tokens.

[carmine_blade]

So such a system where the top tier arcane items cost 1k tokens would put an approximate price control on these items of 15-20m gold each. Nothing is likely to ever go above that amount in value. So the question is, how much should the best item in the game be worth?

Personally I think 20m is plenty for top items, that's roughly equivalent to 10k plat or say ~$590. That's a lot of IRL money, particularly given that that $590 buys one top item and there are a few in the game. In the past the top items have gone for 100m- this is just ridiculous. A price tag of 20m is still beyond most people who don't spend plat and some that do. Sure, a few dedicated hardcore farmers will earn that much, but these items will still remain relatively exclusive; most people won't have a Nekro and a Toor and an arcane ring.

The hyperinflation caused by plat farming has largely (I hope) ceased, so the market simply can't sustain prices that were artificially maintained by the influx of illicit gold.

[Bidiel]

is to sad know that the tokens will be only available for the people who spend really money, and about all ppl r asking is if the better lockeds will have better odds rather than the normal locks, but again for ppl who dont spend money do not care this.

[Dimitrian]

is to sad know that the tokens will be only available for the people who spend really money, and about all ppl r asking is if the better lockeds will have better odds rather than the normal locks, but again for ppl who dont spend money do not care this.
Don't cry,tokens will be available from orc chests,which are free to open.
This is the thing we all are waiting for.

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[Bidiel]

i know remi said that the orc chest have a "a chance to drop tokens" but that "chance" sound discouraging

[Dimitrian]

Wait a minute...i think i'm the only one who saw this.
Look cosely at the picture with the new locks...it looks like some sort of lock for a key...
Hopefully there will introduce the new lock keys...

[Oursizes]

Wait a minute...i think i'm the only one who saw this.
Look cosely at the picture with the new locks...it looks like some sort of lock for a key...
Hopefully there will introduce the new lock keys...

No, thats where all the platinum goes through for all those plat buyers to open locks. Dont get your hopes up

[Pras Etyo]

Arcane shard no drop again in lock?

[Pras Etyo]

Before i say sorry sir en mom,,,, this is about signal,,, why last this moment always trouble ping,,, the red ping n disconnect ? Thanks

[justhell]

is to sad know that the tokens will be only available for the people who spend really money, and about all ppl r asking is if the better lockeds will have better odds rather than the normal locks, but again for ppl who dont spend money do not care this.
First u should read all the thing u need to know bfore making statment,there's still other way to obtain that token (so far I know they already confirm u can obtain that token from orc chest) and maybe and I wish rarely drop from new map elite boss. They still working for it (about odd and other posibility). JS [emoji16]

[Newcomx]

First u should read all the thing u need to know bfore making statment,there's still other way to obtain that token (so far I know they already confirm u can obtain that token from orc chest) and maybe and I wish rarely drop from new map elite boss. They still working for it (about odd and other posibility). JS [emoji16]

If the chance like teeth, I prefer not go after it, too much pot to burn with no adequate return. If the the chance is like 1 token in 1 elite orc crate, I will thank sts for that, because maybe we can farm some gold from that.

[Rockingtigertiger Tiger]

So guys in order to loot crate tokens we need to open crates and spend plat ? I think these tokens should be obtained through arena or planar tombs after kill the boss then ItIt would have been much better

[Dimitrian]

So guys in order to loot crate tokens we need to open crates and spend plat ? I think these tokens should be obtained through arena or planar tombs after kill the boss then ItIt would have been much better
They will also be available through orc chests,which are free to open.

[Rockingtigertiger Tiger]

They will also be available through orc chests,which are free to open.
Yeah now it's gonna be fun bro

[notfaded1]

I've tended to stay out of these sorts of discussions in recent months, but now that this discussion seems to be winding down, I'll chime in with some thoughts of my own....

1) I do like the idea of the new token system. Some players, like myself, opened more than 500 locked crates before we ever even looted a mythic item. It would be nice to know that after a certain amount of crates you are guaranteed to get something.

2) As Carapace said, 1 token = 5 plat. So let's explore what that means in terms of gold price per item. Most players are aware that if you have 5 plat, you can basically turn it into around 10k gold. While the straight plat to gold conversion would only yield 5k, buying items like elixirs, ankhs and event energy kits will usually sell for around 2k gold for each plat spent.

So taking that approximate conversion that 1 token = 5 plat = 10k gold, we would see that an item costing 1k tokens would have an approximate gold value of no more than 10m. This means that without the existence of tokens, any player could raise approximately 10m gold by spending 5k plat. However, this conversion rate assumes that the locked crates being opened are obtained for free. Since crates themselves have some value, usually 5-10k each when new and desired items are available in them, then that would add at least another 50%+ to this 10m gold amount. Not to mention that the existence and demand of the tokens themselves could cause the price of locked crates to rise.

So such a system where the top tier arcane items cost 1k tokens would put an approximate price control on these items of 15-20m gold each. Nothing is likely to ever go above that amount in value. So the question is, how much should the best item in the game be worth?
I agree that it's nice that if you spend 1000$ you'll be able to buy something for sure now... nothing like how it was before where one guy got an arcane in 3 locked... another spent that 1000$ and got nothing. My guess is anything free is going to be next to impossible to get like looting a fossil but if you've been around for more that a couple seasons you know how these things go and we know STS is in business to make money. The guaranteed drop in locked is legit.

At first I was really kinda mad that shards were going to be sold by a vendor now after what I went through to loot them from locked... kinda felt like a kick in the teeth by STS for my support over the years and anyone that's opened more than a few locked knows... the shards were harder than anything else to loot. I think I'm getting over it now... I'm open minded about it I suppose now... I hope I'm going to feel like supporting STS is worth spending something still but I'll reserve that judgement for after the event starts.

Also I know what you mean by stay out of these kinds of discussions lately.

[Adiac]

Cant wait to opne new crates.

[AgentMegan]

Great update!

[Rara]

Great update!

[PhoenixPrime]

How do we craft the higher level crates? I have a bunch of the Ren'gol crates, but don't see a recipe for creating a higher level one. Do we need to purchase it from a vendor somewhere?

[Durinsbane]

i thank thee for the crates got arcane shard from 2 chest :D

[vfreakhun]

Regarding guaranteed reward I fully agree with the new system.
Finally I as a strictly non-plat user can get some arcane egg (like Samael, Singe, Maridos) for 2-4M which is very fair compared to prices 1 year ago.
I have the strong feeling that or the loot rarity has changed or popping behaviour, but getting a new Arcane pet under 10M is somewhat new for me. Eg: Samael was about 30M 1 year after his release.
All in all Legendary is common, Myth is rare and even Arcane is not unique.

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[Allocate]

The Loot
The new locked crates will have new loot as well, including:

New Legendary Gear Sets
Mythic Armor and Belts
Pets (including a new Arcane!)
Elixirs
Gold
Platinum (up to 100!)
Jewels
Ankhs and Respec Scrolls
Crate Tokens

Remove New Legendary Gear Sets, Elixirs, Gold and Ankhs and Respec Scrolls from the Loot Table. Those items are unnecessary. Atleast do it for Massive Crates.

[ryuba]

Hey everyone..
We talk about LOOT right...
Can someone or anyone tell me what happened to LEPRE and LOOT SYSTEMS in low level ( lv 1-level40) here.
I never get a rerol in map again in that case use lepre and luck kits,
Can anyone make arlor fun again not just for new expansion, i mind we need something to loot in low lv because we need farming when lv up.
And pleased make LEPRE to be normal again they rerol very rare now after the expansion.. :(

[Fredystern]

The Loot
The new locked crates will have new loot as well, including:

New Legendary Gear Sets
Mythic Armor and Belts
Pets (including a new Arcane!)
Elixirs
Gold
Platinum (up to 100!)
Jewels
Ankhs and Respec Scrolls
Crate Tokens

Remove New Legendary Gear Sets, Elixirs, Gold and Ankhs and Respec Scrolls from the Loot Table. Those items are unnecessary. Atleast do it for Massive Crates.

I think its impossible because if they remove it, i think all people will want to open this crate and we will 100% get some good items, example u use 15 plat to open, u get 1 maridos, 1 gold toor, 5 plat. Then item price will down so fast like maridos now. Maridos is 4.5m before expand now 2.5 after expand. Think what happen if u get maridos again? It will down to about 1M for each mari egg.


Btw, im sorry i have bad grammer. ;)