Let's Make Pocket Legends A Better Environment

[costalot]

Hi everyone, I'm a relatively older member of Pocket Legends and this game is geared towards kids. After all, the commercials show on Cartoon Network and Nickelodeon which we all know are shows meant for kids. Except Spongebob, I love that show. However, I sometimes find it interesting to chill out in Forest Haven, it's a pretty happening place. I see some things that I wouldn't want my younger brother who is starting to get into the game to see. Their are some people on the forums as well who have inappropriate signatures and lets try to respect some of the younger members. I guess I am making this because some things are starting to get out of hand. I appreciate what SpaceTimeStudios is doing with the auto ban to keep the environment safe. I guess I'm trying to get at the point that we as older members should assist, encourage, keep the environment safe, and lend the younger members along the way. Also, I'm looking for a friendly group of people that like to play Pocket Legends that feel the way as I do.

[Vallist]

It's good to see people like you think that way :o

[costalot]

It's good to see people like you think that way :o

Thankyou, I'm sure their are many others who feel the same way but don't speak up on forums. I'm just trying to get the message out there and get people to change.

[Iambirdman]

Word!
Represent!

[Rusalio]

Very good on ya cost. Personally I screenshot or report if I find such activity however do not know if pl does anything. As a father, I too take issues with the various conversation threads...... It would be nice of PL chose certain players to sufficiently validate and report. I know I would from my perspective. I think it's too much for DEVs to sit and police all activity....I for one would assist.....hint hint cinco and asommers...a b2b partnership...I have a few other fathers who would do the same.....

[costalot]

I'm not a father nor am I close to being one. However, I wish that SpaceTimeStudios would sort of speak promote me to help keep chat safe and take some of these matters into my own hands. I mean i don't want to see my younger brother reading this or repeating it. It doesn't make me feel like a good older brother and I wish that I could just get more involved to make this a better environment for others.

[Otukura]

/report is your friend.

=)

[davidis57]

People on the internet are for the most part can hide behind technology and don't normally have to take responsibilty for their actions. Young adults especially with the cursing and sexist chat wont even stop if you advise them they could be banned for their attitude and text. Later they may regret their actions and claim they were banned for no reason. I agree with you 100% but trying to correct them is a huge task. Many will get muted and banned when the chat monitoring goes live but they will complain they were banned for no reason or it was a mistake. Others will claim there ignorance and say they did not know. Its like prison inside everyone is innocent. I would love to see the language in game improve for the better.

I am older player and get tired of seeing words like wtf, gay, omfg, and abbreviations used because a player doesn't like something and voices his/her displeasure. Part of that is cause parents give technology and never monitor their online behavior.

[costalot]

Report is great but once a younger member sees that they're not gonna just erase it from their memory like a computer and "ban" it from their ban. That is why I think auto-ban is going to be great! Good thoughts on this subject though I take all of this into consideration and have heard some new things from Rusalio and how big the wide range of player base is and some reminders from you, Otukura. Thanks to all, keep it coming

[costalot]

People on the internet are for the most part can hide behind technology and don't normally have to take responsibilty for their actions. Young adults especially with the cursing and sexist chat wont even stop if you advise them they could be banned for their attitude and text. Later they may regret their actions and claim they were banned for no reason. I agree with you 100% but trying to correct them is a huge task. Many will get muted and banned when the chat monitoring goes live but they will complain they were banned for no reason or it was a mistake. Others will claim there ignorance and say they did not know. Its like prison inside everyone is innocent. I would love to see the language in game improve for the better.

I am older player and get tired of seeing words like wtf, gay, omfg, and abbreviations used because a player doesn't like something and voices his/her displeasure. Part of that is cause parents give technology and never monitor their online behavior.

I agree, it's like after me and my brother did a PvP someone said wtf and he asks whats that. What am i supposed to say to that, That is why I hope that chat live will bring justice back to this game. There is no need for the language and isn't a necessity. (I told him it was White Truffle Fudge)

[kallima]

I don't have a problem with WTF because with those orbit commercials it has become just as common knowledge for it to represent What the Face? But I can understand from a parent perspective why it would be offensive.

[Kaarataka]

I think your idea of making this a better place is a very small minded approach. In order to learn one must be taught. If there is no experience, then there is lack of development on how to deal with real life situations. Sheltering anyone from anything is terrible teaching and shows a lack of understanding on how an informed, intelligent, and affluent individual is formed. My WTF's and other expletives are for me and my friends or anyone else I come across while in game. I regularly run around both forest towns and hand out any drops lower than purple to appropriate lvl and class players that I have never met. Make it a better place by what you do, not by how you censor information. The less someone is exposed to the less likely they will have an understanding on how a diverse cult works.

~Me

[spookytooth]

I'm not a father nor am I close to being one. However, I wish that SpaceTimeStudios would sort of speak promote me to help keep chat safe and take some of these matters into my own hands. I mean i don't want to see my younger brother reading this or repeating it. It doesn't make me feel like a good older brother and I wish that I could just get more involved to make this a better environment for others.

There is always gonna b a line between what one person thinks is right and the next person, i have yet to see any obsene post that would constitute the need to immediately " make this a better environment" lol it isnt that bad, and wat is deemed bad is swiftly dealt with. noone is gonna get promoted to PL internet police chief so if u really wanna help and are as conscerned as u say the report and email feature are your friends. Im liking the concern to keep a clean pla e but lets remember LOTS of ppl play.

[spookytooth]

I think your idea of making this a better place is a very small minded approach. In order to learn one must be taught. If there is no experience, then there is lack of development on how to deal with real life situations. Sheltering anyone from anything is terrible teaching and shows a lack of understanding on how an informed, intelligent, and affluent individual is formed. My WTF's and other expletives are for me and my friends or anyone else I come across while in game. I regularly run around both forest towns and hand out any drops lower than purple to appropriate lvl and class players that I have never met. Make it a better place by what you do, not by how you censor information. The less someone is exposed to the less likely they will have an understanding on how a diverse cult works.

~Me

I agree completely

[Leonadritia]

Im all for a better environment, however - as in real life there are times when our children are exposed to the harsh realities that are the nasties of life, unfortuneately alot of the time the offending profanities we would like to keep from minors ears and eyes are often enough a direct input from minors of similar age.
I know in game it may be possible to have like an auto word ban that replaces preset banned words or expletives with asterisks or dots, maybe this cld be implemented, i dont know however if this could be the same for forum threads and through experience i know that to personally police the forums for such posts is an impossible task, all that can be done is for people to teport a post after its entry.
Its not an ideal world but neither is the realworld, i just hope for the innocent to remain that way for as long as possible.

[GrandmaBear]

Thanks. I think it's some of the behaviour that can be a problem. Just before the offline, someone booted a 48 level player from Keeper with 'yawn' as a reason (it wasn't because of anything but the host had invited a friend)--I thought it was a bit mean, but even more so now when I think it could have been a kid.

[spookytooth]

No. Your little brother doesn't have to play Pocket Legends. Why should I have to sacrifice my social experience for the sake of keeping a snot dripping kid I CAN'T EVEN SEE "safe"? If I wanted YOUR responsibility, I wouldn't practice safe sex.

Sorry if this sounds harsh, but I'm sick and tired of seeing people trying to pin parental responsibilities onto others THROUGH THE INTERNET. It just doesn't make sense to me.

not saying i agree with the wording but..(claps)

[costalot]

Banned I'm glad your banned it's people like you who try to ruin the chat system. I agree with all you people though that I guess you can't control everything I mean he hears a lot worse than what he hears on Pocket Legends in school. I'm not trying to pin parental responsibilites I'm just trying to remind you guys that the community isn't all older people. There are younger people playing and I'm just asking to just remember that. Would you go to a school and say that stuff.

[kamikazees]

Sheltering anyone from anything is terrible teaching and shows a lack of understanding on how an informed, intelligent, and affluent individual is formed.
The problem with this logic is that children are not "informed, intelligent, and affluent" people. We hope they eventually become that, but they are children and some sheltering is necessary. You wouldn't show a child porn so he could be "taught" about its impact on society, the objectification of women and its influence in modern film culture. Or let him smoke pot so he can understand its effects on motivation and drive. You would shelter the child because a 9 year-old is not old enough to understand or discuss those things. And that is the age this game is approved for.

Children learn a ton by seeing, as evidenced by the effectiveness of, "Don't drive fast like me, son!" If people are swearing, cussing and acting lewdly, he will do so too. It is not rocket science. It is not about taking on "parental responsibilities." It is about maintaining a decent, civilized society. We choose to play; I think we should know better.

[Rusalio]

Absolutely spot on here.

For those younger adults or kids here who have yet to actually experience the "Ahah" factor of aging with knowledge, its best described as such...

The older we get and the more life experience and knowledge we obtain, the darker it gets to be an adult and the innocence of the kids world is lost. With knowledge comes responsibility, with responsibility comes the burden of what it means and how to deal with in correctly. Most mature adults will say, "Oh I so wish to be a kid again" and it comes quite honestly for very good reasons. :)



The problem with this logic is that children are not "informed, intelligent, and affluent" people. We hope they eventually become that, but they are children and some sheltering is necessary. You wouldn't show a child porn so he could be "taught" about its impact on society, the objectification of women and its influence in modern film culture. Or let him smoke pot so he can understand its effects on motivation and drive. You would shelter the child because a 9 year-old is not old enough to understand or discuss those things. And that is the age this game is approved for.

Children learn a ton by seeing, as evidenced by the effectiveness of, "Don't drive fast like me, son!" If people are swearing, cussing and acting lewdly, he will do so too. It is not rocket science. It is not about taking on "parental responsibilities." It is about maintaining a decent, civilized society. We choose to play; I think we should know better.

[costalot]

Thankyou Kamikazeez that is what I'm trying to get at. It's not civilized like you said to swear and is barbaric in some ways. Children look up to people and try to immitate everything so if they see someone in Pocket Legends who is cool in their eyes they will try to do the same.

[BeardedBear]

If a kid is allowed to go online with no supervision at an age where such "inappropriate" things are said on this forum, (and much worse elsewhere on the net) he/she shouldn't be online. I don't think any of us want to corrupt children, or out to teach them inappropriate things, but people will not censor themselves for the sake of youngsters reading what they type. If things are said here that you don't care for your brother to read, he simply shouldn't come here. The problem seems to be a child that young having access to the Internet. Remember, you can still play the game without coming to the forums, and ultimately, it's up to Devs to censor.

[Punktate]

Words are words. I highly doubt that 30 years from now, a child who played pl will wake up in the night, screaming, because he read a curse word. There is a filter which is defaulted on, that should be enough.

[Wushu]

That's all fine and dandy in the real world, but I don't think you guys and gals realize that we are talking about THE INTERNET. You want social civility on THE INTERNET? That's a joke, right?

Also, give me a GOOD reason as to why "Bull****" is any worse then "Bullpoop".

It isn't any worse except for intent. The challenge is in the understanding of the different shades of gray. I use the words "poopy diaper" all the time to try and help my kids learn to potty train. However when I use any truly offensive scatological references, it's usually because I am upset and angry. The distinction in intent is hard to explain to young kids.

My personal belief is that in either the real world or the internet world, you educate your kids to behave appropriately and help them learn to filter the inappropriate stuff for themselves, at age-appropriate levels. I don't allow my toddler the same freedom that I allow my elementary school child, and my elementary school child does not get the same freedom as a middle school kid, and so on, and so on. Taking care of yourself (and your own) is important.

As for discussing constructive ways to make Pocket Legends a better environment -- go for it. People complain about far less important issues than child safety (e.g. vanity shields) with more vehemence. Just be prepared to hear/see lots of different opinions.

[Kraze]

No. Your little brother doesn't have to play Pocket Legends. Why should I have to sacrifice my social experience for the sake of keeping a snot dripping kid I CAN'T EVEN SEE "safe"? If I wanted YOUR responsibility, I wouldn't practice safe sex.

Sorry if this sounds harsh, but I'm sick and tired of seeing people trying to pin parental responsibilities onto others THROUGH THE INTERNET. It just doesn't make sense to me.

Amen

I agree with the ban on the 7 deadly words but when it starts extending to WTF and omg that's way to far. What's going to be ok to say tiddlywinks and golly geez?

[Kraze]

The more I think about this the more it bugs me. The game has a chat filter still right? IMO if you turn it off you are taking that risk. Don't punish others for the choices you make

[Kaarataka]

The problem with this logic is that children are not "informed, intelligent, and affluent" people. We hope they eventually become that, but they are children and some sheltering is necessary. You wouldn't show a child porn so he could be "taught" about its impact on society, the objectification of women and its influence in modern film culture. Or let him smoke pot so he can understand its effects on motivation and drive. You would shelter the child because a 9 year-old is not old enough to understand or discuss those things. And that is the age this game is approved for.

Children learn a ton by seeing, as evidenced by the effectiveness of, "Don't drive fast like me, son!" If people are swearing, cussing and acting lewdly, he will do so too. It is not rocket science. It is not about taking on "parental responsibilities." It is about maintaining a decent, civilized society. We choose to play; I think we should know better.

This game is pay to play after lvl 20. That's means the target audience is those with money and a cell phone. I don't know about you but I would never give my 10 year old a cell phone or unmonitored time on the internet. If you want me to babysit your kids it will be 20 dollars an hour. If you don't think that's reasonable, I would have to say your pushing of the parents responsibility onto me is just as unreasonable. As for sheltering my child, that would be my decision on how to proceed. No, I don't think it's unreasonable to show children anything as long as you are there to explain it and answer their questions. The world is a nasty vile and disgusting but it can also be beautiful, charming, and enlightening. Those things are relative to each person and also their culture and I believe anyone who shelters their child from culture(whether you believe it to be good or bad) is wrong. I also agree that allowing a child to be left in such a state without proper guidance and training to be a grave failing of their parents. My way of dealing with things is to teach empathy. Most people describe the world to be white and black, but all I see are different shades of gray.

[Kaarataka]

The more I think about this the more it bugs me. The game has a chat filter still right? IMO if you turn it off you are taking that risk. Don't punish others for the choices you make

This is exactly my point about having to take responsibility as their parent. If you want to shelter your child, then make sure they have the filter turner on. If they turn it off, they lose the phone.

[Wolfling]

Amen

I agree with the ban on the 7 deadly words but when it starts extending to WTF and omg that's way to far. What's going to be ok to say tiddlywinks and golly geez?

ROFLMAO!!! i literally just got back up;) soda and chips everywhere...thank you guys! anyways, from reading this thread i'm slowly getting the jist of it.. oh, i get it.. you few select parental types dont want all the little tykes exposed to reality; if only through common place social interaction. i agree that there are certain places and thing that rugrats should not be exposed to, however i do agree with banned when he said that the internet is probably not the place for them to be hanging out if that is indeed the situation. dont get me wrong, i'm not suggesting that we should all behave like hooligans and run around forest haven teaching little timmy about how to play red rocket, but there definately comes a point where parental responsibility should take over. it is not the fault of PL or its denziens if you cant institute happy sensibility into your kids. maybe 10 is the age where a good dose of outdoor activity might be more than beneficial...? hmmm? i don't curse or run around acting crazy. i am a respectable player and person. in reality i find that the very people who are creating this environment of shame and degredation are the same 9 to 15 year olds of which this thread was begun in the first place.

[Wolfling]

btw, i've always been partial to gee-whiz!;) that's what you get for being raised on the beav.... and for the morality police out there im talking about the tv show;)

[Roasty]

What Vallist said. It's very good to know people like you exist in this world. It helps me know that life as we know it right now won't go down the drain. :)

[Wushu]

.. oh, i get it.. you few select parental types dont want all the little tykes exposed to reality; ...

Actually, the original poster is not a parent at all; he's a big brother asking about things for his little brother. If you read the posts by the parents -- you'll see we do expose our kids to reality; in my case, in bite-sized chunks for what's appropriate for them.