Vain Glory .. is it better than CoC?

[Haligali]

http://www.vainglorygame.com/

http://www.gamezebo.com/2014/11/20/vainglory-review-pretty-pretty-darn-good/

It looks very good:

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[Waug]

Vainglory is vainglory and CoC is CoC, they aren't same just because they are fall under MOBA zonar and both for iOS & Android. I have not play Vainglory though but let me tell you the concept of both.

The concept of CoC is optimized for mobile devices and casual gamers, mobile gaming is itself a casual gaming platform if we consider the most, it's like you have school but before that you got 10 mins to play you probably would not choose a game where you need strong attention rather a casual game and something you can finish quickly not only that it takes much more less time to understand the game itself.

[Haligali]

Vainglory is vainglory and CoC is CoC, they aren't same just because they are fall under MOBA zonar and both for iOS & Android. I have not play Vainglory though but let me tell you the concept of both.

The concept of CoC is optimized for mobile devices and casual gamers, mobile gaming is itself a casual gaming platform if we consider the most, it's like you have school but before that you got 10 mins to play you probably would not choose a game where you need strong attention rather a casual game and something you can finish quickly not only that it takes much more less time to understand the game itself.

Give it a try, it is really good. I tried to play other mobile moba games like Witcher Arena, Heroes of Order and Chaos, but the lack of tutorials, lack of knowledge about the game made me die many times. Vain Glory got a tons of sample videos about item tree, skills, characters etc.

[Waug]

Give it a try, it is really good. I tried to play other mobile moba games like Witcher Arena, Heroes of Order and Chaos, but the lack of tutorials, lack of knowledge about the game made me die many times. Vain Glory got a tons of sample videos about item tree, skills, characters etc.

LOL, This is not a perfect place to discuss how good some outsider games are, but it would be more adequate comparing with coc. I am not a fan of MOBA but PvP attracts me if it's good, I've Heroes of Storm installed in my PC, hardly play. My game play depends more on scopes of making gameplay videos at this moment, that's what my main priority. I'd install vainglory only if it would be new but it was already in iOS for long time and even it passed a good time on android beta, I'm referring this cuz I've some theories to choose which game to choose to make gameplay videos.

I wanna clarify that, when I was talking about all the things about CoC in my previous post, I was not referring myself rather I was referring to the whole mobile gamers community

[Haligali]

LOL, This is not a perfect place to discuss how good some outsider games are, but it would be more adequate comparing with coc. I am not a fan of MOBA but PvP attracts me if it's good, I've Heroes of Storm installed in my PC, hardly play. My game play depends more on scopes of making gameplay videos at this moment, that's what my main priority. I'd install vainglory only if it would be new but it was already in iOS for long time and even it passed a good time on android beta, I'm referring this cuz I've some theories to choose which game to choose to make gameplay videos.

I wanna clarify that, when I was talking about all the things about CoC in my previous post, I was not referring myself rather I was referring to the whole mobile gamers community

I think its good to discuss here what do you like in other moba games, which feature they got and which one you want to implement in CoC, so you need to try out the rival games too. Eg.: if you pre-register now on android till july2 in vainglory, then you receive a free Taka character, something similar would be good in CoC too.

Vainglory is not fully released to android now, so its new.

[Iheybeautiful]

If you ask me, CoC is way better. Just my opinion.

[Justg]

If you ask me, CoC is way better. Just my opinion.

This warms my heart :)

Very curious why you think so!

[Iheybeautiful]

This warms my heart :)

Very curious why you think so!
Why I think so?
The gameplay is so intense in a 5 minute match, not a second to spare. I also like how you all made a detailed story to every champ. I'm not familiar with MOBA, so I didn't know much about it, but with coc it's very easy to learn everything, I can see you really worked hard on it, thank you! I love it, i'd give it a 5 star rating [emoji6]

[Justg]

We noticed yesterday that VG is~2.1 gigs, while Champs is still under 100 megs 0.o

[vawaid]

both are good, i just read this in other alpha project moba

forums.hosgame.com/forum/main-forum/4327-another-moba

their opinion about CoC and other moba

[Roberto077]

I think CoC is much more refined in design and is definitely taking a more innovative role as a mobile MOBA.

[Haligali]

Ok, after a 'few' plays,

pros:
-very high quality graphic, it looks like a pc game
-minions look cool
-kraken is awesome
-if you choose a character, then noone can choose that one in your team, so you are forced to try out different characters (i think its different in CoC?)
-lots of items to choose
-europe server, zero lag

cons:
-1:15 min waiting, till finding a match. After game found, all 6 players must accept also the game.
-long gameplay: 20-30 min average. Even if your teammates do nothing, you can surrender only after 15 min and they need to accept it too. I tried even close app, but this is a server sided game, i was in the same game after starting the app again. No matter what, you need to play the full 20-30 minute with bad teammates.. annoying.
-earning Glory is extreme slow. Due to the long gameplay, and the small rewards, i reached lvl6 and still got 1 of the 800 glory cheaper characters. I do not want to think about how long will take to earn 6000 glory, which is the average cost of the characters. Not to mention skins etc..

[Waug]

Ok, after a 'few' plays,

pros:
-very high quality graphic, it looks like a pc game
-minions look cool
-kraken is awesome
-if you choose a character, then noone can choose that one in your team, so you are forced to try out different characters (i think its different in CoC?)
-lots of items to choose
-europe server, zero lag

cons:
-1:15 min waiting, till finding a match. After game found, all 6 players must accept also the game.
-long gameplay: 20-30 min average. Even if your teammates do nothing, you can surrender only after 15 min and they need to accept it too. I tried even close app, but this is a server sided game, i was in the same game after starting the app again. No matter what, you need to play the full 20-30 minute with bad teammates.. annoying.
-earning Glory is extreme slow. Due to the long gameplay, and the small rewards, i reached lvl6 and still got 1 of the 800 glory cheaper characters. I do not want to think about how long will take to earn 6000 glory, which is the average cost of the characters. Not to mention skins etc..

pros:
Graphics is pretty decent for mobile game - very high quality graphic, it looks like a pc game
There's no minion -minions look cool
It's small things that is changeable I mean Devs can implement it-if you choose a character, then noone can choose that one in your team, so you are forced to try out different characters (i think its different in CoC?)
No Item, Only Champions and Talent Unlcok -lots of items to choose
STS server is one of the best, there's hardly server issues unless overload rarely-europe server, zero lag

cons:
No waiting, even if there's no real player, System will assign auto Bots to play with, even someone get Dis connected, bot will take his/her place and after getting DC you login and previous game is still running, you'll find yourself there to finish the match, no waiting, no DC problem, Just continuous intense gameplay no matter what happened there-1:15 min waiting, till finding a match. After game found, all 6 players must accept also the game.
5 Mins gameplay-long gameplay: 20-30 min average. Even if your teammates do nothing, you can surrender only after 15 min and they need to accept it too. I tried even close app, but this is a server sided game, i was in the same game after starting the app again. No matter what, you need to play the full 20-30 minute with bad teammates.. annoying.
Economy is not clear in Coc yet, but that hardly matter as you can still enjoy the game-earning Glory is extreme slow. Due to the long gameplay, and the small rewards, i reached lvl6 and still got 1 of the 800 glory cheaper characters. I do not want to think about how long will take to earn 6000 glory, which is the average cost of the characters. Not to mention skins etc..

Call of Champions is based on core MOBA, no minions, no big map, no maps I mean only one map, Small time matches totally focused on Competitive gaming rather focused on Graphics & long Maps, You choose Champ, you choose frnds, You Fight, matter is you win or not, how much you performed in this mobile eSports that's the spirit of Call of Champions.

[Haligali]

I forgot to mention, there is only 3 skills on each character in vain glory and the last one can unlocked later, so it's more focused on items.

[angeldawn]

I have played a few other MOBAs. The things I like most about CoC is no minions, no leveling up in a match, no gear and 5 min games.

I would like an option later to play longer games but for now jumping on and playing a 5 min game while waiting for a doctors appointment is awesome.

CoC will also be an easy game for new comers to pick up and adapt to easily. Ppl won't be staring at the store trying to figure out what to buy. And what skills to level. You just jump in, read your skills and kill :) (for the most part)


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[Instanthumor]

I have played a few other MOBAs. The things I like most about CoC is no minions, no leveling up in a match, no gear and 5 min games.

This is what sorta disappoints me. Because of this, I feel that CoC has a much lower skillcap than Vainglory, in other words, it would require more skill to play Vainglory. I have played both games and what I really like in Vainglory (and the majority of other moba's) is that there are many objectives to the game. In CoC, basically the main and only objective is to destroy opposing team's towers which eventually will lead to destroying the base. However, in Vainglory and LoL and other successful moba's, there's more to it than that. As you mentioned Hali, there's the Kraken and even mining camps which empower your laning minions. LoL has dragons and barons if any of you are familiar with that. But CoC, the only other add-on would be the power-ups (as of right now, at least). However the power-ups are not, let's say, a huge "game changer" as compared to the other objectives in the other game such as getting baron or the kraken. Then again, this is just my opinion of what a typical moba would consist of. There are still many +'s in CoC that aren't found in any other moba's which I haven't discussed but you get the jist of what I'm trying to say I hope.

[DivineMoustache]

I don't like to say this, especially on the STS forums, but right now, Vainglory is much more polished than CoC. However, I find it hard to compare the two, because they aim to do totally different things.

Vainglory is like the equivalent of a mobile clone of LOL with a few DoTA aspects. It's a lot larger scale, a little more intense and has a little more depth.

CoC is aiming to be unique, to innovate the mobile MOBA competitive scene with a combination of casual appeal as well as simulating the rush of close and quick matches. Right now it's in Alpha, and certainly not as polished as Vainglory, nor do I expect it to be yet. When it's a more finished product, I think it can challenge VG in terms of graphics, intensity etc. Been having trouble finding time to play, but the tournaments they're doing make CoC pretty fun. Wish I could log on a bit more.

Let me reiterate that this is comparing apples to oranges...they try to do different things.

[Schnitzel]

Though I have never played VainGlory, I've played Heroes of Order and Chaos. So I'll compare CoC to HOC



MAPS

In HOC, long matches and large maps mean:

Less currency earned per match (due to match times)
Less xp earned per match
A large walk to get from one point to another (aka you will be walking more than actually fighting)
There's so much STUFF in the store, making players wanting to Shop more than actually Fight
If a player leaves in HOC, their character stays there, taking up extra room on their team, all while helping the enemy team win


In CoC, smaller maps and limited match times mean:

Less walking, more fighting
5 minutes per match means every second is valuable
Limited time --> Increased match portability (such as saying, if you had a 5-10 minute break, and wanted to play a MOBA, but didn't want it to last over 10 minutes)
5 minutes per match means faster gold/xp earning (Not yet a valid point since we haven't tested CoC Economy yet)
If a teammate leaves/is disconnected, a bot automatically plays for them, until that teammate returns.




IN-MAP ITEMS

In HOC, minions and shops mean:

More shopping, less fighting
Waiting for minions to come, to help kill towers
Kills are more determined based on items rather than skill


In CoC, not adding shops, and replacing minions with orbs mean:

Kills are determined based on skill (of using that character), and Talent setups
More fighting/action, less needing to shop/wait to earn enough gold, to fight enemies.
With orbs, teams are not only fighting a PvP (or PvB) match, but are also at the same time playing a reversed "Tug-Of-War" with the enemy team


Thats all I can think of for now.



Bottom Line: Personally, I like Call of Champions, rather than other Mobile MOBAs, because it is unique and different from other MOBAs. But though it lacks some aspects of other MOBAs, it makes up by adding its own ideas. And in my opinion, it is a more "lightweight" MOBA due to the <100MB size

[Ssneakykills]

I hate the fact in vainglory you've got to buy stuff every match to level up whereas in coc you can level a class/character and it will keep its level and perks. The only problem is I find both games very tedious but that might be because I'm a massive fan of the legends games due to having so many things to do.

Saying that I've only really played against bots in coc so maybe more games agasint other alpha players might make it much more interesting. It's alpha so it's only early days in development so I'm am very interested to what else is implemented in champs.

[Haligali]

I think its similar like comparing AL pvp, tdm vs ctf. Tdm is short and can play any free time, even in a 5 min work break, a very intesive gameplay, if you go in tdm, you expect to kill or be killed, i even kill my friends there. But I always had my great pvp moments in the long ctf guild clashes.

[Burstnuke]

We noticed yesterday that VG is~2.1 gigs, while Champs is still under 100 megs 0.o

I think it's due to the fact that every VG update is like 400 megs. A lot of space needed to even download the game

[Burstnuke]

I have played a few other MOBAs. The things I like most about CoC is no minions, no leveling up in a match, no gear and 5 min games.

I would like an option later to play longer games but for now jumping on and playing a 5 min game while waiting for a doctors appointment is awesome.

CoC will also be an easy game for new comers to pick up and adapt to easily. Ppl won't be staring at the store trying to figure out what to buy. And what skills to level. You just jump in, read your skills and kill :) (for the most part)


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Yes, but when you remove the leveling, items, and minions, you remove a lot of options to use and remove a lot of diversity, thats why Vainglory games are always different everytime.

I barely stay in the store reading what they do, thats what the acedemy in VG is for (Teaches you all the items and what they do).

COC is more of a game thats easy to pick up and probably more focused on skill shots for more hardcore gameplay. COC is probably gonna be more like MMO pvp except with tons of characters and much more diverse stats, objectives, and boosts.
I'm also very curious to see how the orb works, the unique factor that seems pretty cool to me atleast.

[Hahahahabirdy]

I don't like to say this, especially on the STS forums, but right now, Vainglory is much more polished than CoC.
This isn't really fair to say, considering that Vainglory has been out for more than a year while CoC is still in Alpha testing.


Yes, but when you remove the leveling, items, and minions, you remove a lot of options to use and remove a lot of diversity, thats why Vainglory games are always different everytime.

I barely stay in the store reading what they do, thats what the acedemy in VG is for (Teaches you all the items and what they do).

COC is more of a game thats easy to pick up and probably more focused on skill shots for more hardcore gameplay. COC is probably gonna be more like MMO pvp except with tons of characters and much more diverse stats, objectives, and boosts.
I'm also very curious to see how the orb works, the unique factor that seems pretty cool to me atleast.

The opposite seems to hold true for me. Every game in VG I see the same heroes and builds being played, almost all games are the same every time. In CoC, however, I see different champions being played almost every game, with each player having multiple champions they enjoy playing (for me: Cinder, Magmatus, Bjorn).

CoC is definitely more focused on skill shots though, often if you miss one, you lose the fight.

[Waug]

I think its good to discuss here what do you like in other moba games, which feature they got and which one you want to implement in CoC, so you need to try out the rival games too. Eg.: if you pre-register now on android till july2 in vainglory, then you receive a free Taka character, something similar would be good in CoC too.

Vainglory is not fully released to android now, so its new.
I forgot to answer this,

TBH, i'd rather focus on pc mobas yep already did. For ex theres one upcoming GIGANTIC looking good.
theres no minion in opposite Guardian. Full scale 3D fantasy arena in opposite to heck n slash composition in traditional mobas.

well that's different matter what I tried to say if u take a look at the most successfull mobile games they are not well known for graphics, in opposite Gameloft's high quality graphical games are not that much popular but of course they have their own place, mobile gaming is different frnd unlike pc or console where extreme quality graphical games such as Witcher 3, battlefield series, GTA 5 are among the top sellers.

[Burstnuke]

This isn't really fair to say, considering that Vainglory has been out for more than a year while CoC is still in Alpha testing.



The opposite seems to hold true for me. Every game in VG I see the same heroes and builds being played, almost all games are the same every time. In CoC, however, I see different champions being played almost every game, with each player having multiple champions they enjoy playing (for me: Cinder, Magmatus, Bjorn).

CoC is definitely more focused on skill shots though, often if you miss one, you lose the fight.

Idk how you're seeing the same heroes and items, because I am Tier 9 in vainglory (Second to last Tier) and i see different builds and heroes almost every single game.

[Hahahahabirdy]

Idk how you're seeing the same heroes and items, because I am Tier 9 in vainglory (Second to last Tier) and i see different builds and heroes almost every single game.

I am tier 11, and I rarely see the majority of the available heroes. Sure there are 16 available, but so many of them are almost never played at high ELOs (SAW, Petal, Ardan, Celeste, Adagio). When those heroes (or any heroes) are used, however, the build almost always follows the same path, with few exceptions. There is no way you are seeing different builds every game.

[DivineMoustache]

I am tier 11, and I rarely see the majority of the available heroes. Sure there are 16 available, but so many of them are almost never played at high ELOs (SAW, Petal, Ardan, Celeste, Adagio). When those heroes (or any heroes) are used, however, the build almost always follows the same path, with few exceptions. There is no way you are seeing different builds every game.

There is no tier 11.


This isn't really fair to say, considering that Vainglory has been out for more than a year while CoC is still in Alpha testing.





I know this isn't fair to say. I think further down the post I said that I expected STS to match VG's polish once it's out of Alpha.



I'm going to reiterate once again that making comparisons between the two is not only hard, but wrong, because although they are both mobile MOBAs, they aim to do completely different things.

[Hahahahabirdy]

There is no tier 11.



I know this isn't fair to say. I think further down the post I said that I expected STS to match VG's polish once it's out of Alpha.



I'm going to reiterate once again that making comparisons between the two is not only hard, but wrong, because although they are both mobile MOBAs, they aim to do completely different things.

Yes there is, for I am tier 11. Pinnacle of Simply Vainglorious.

[DivineMoustache]

Yes there is, for I am tier 11. Pinnacle of Simply Vainglorious.

Hahahaha

:O

[Wazakesy]

Lets not forget CoC and Vainglory have the same goals to complete a match.

I am in Vainglory closed BETA (already since 3 months). There are different servers (from what the server location said in the game) and lets not forget both the games CoC and VG require to destroy the tower and Vain crystal (anyways both are towers).

Both are supposed to be teamwork games. Mentioned by Gary (JustG) is that you would play CoC with your friends (most likely since it requires co-operation, from the keast that i may know). And you might play randoms, or with friends - well fhat remains an option.

In CoC i do not know if there's any Player VS Player. I think its Bots versus players? In VG youre competing against REAL PLAYERS (real life players of course) and who knows how many people are iut there actually playing VG closed BETA (on android, iOS was completed long back i think). Also speaking of it, there's no items in CoC, youre directly playing - not trying to be mean here, but strategy is key in VG. You collect gold by killing the miners when they spawn and these games last solely 20minutes?

Levelling up and gears is what creates a problem in VG - from what ive seen. In CoC, youre anyways going to have levelling with combinations as well. I would say both have some here's and there's. VG is mainly based on graphics, Gameplay strategy, and some places of P2W (which i havent seen in CoC, who knows if P2W infects CoC).

The sole trouble for me for VG is that there's pretty much less players, i barely see anygames for me starting and it seems like there arent many active. Ive seen alot - ALOT of people and its really hard to tell of how many even play.

VG has high end graphic effects, they cycle free toons everytime (they just cycle'd free chars) whilst CoC has all of them free 2 play?

[Iheybeautiful]

Lets not forget CoC and Vainglory have the same goals to complete a match.

I am in Vainglory closed BETA (already since 3 months). There are different servers (from what the server location said in the game) and lets not forget both the games CoC and VG require to destroy the tower and Vain crystal (anyways both are towers).

Both are supposed to be teamwork games. Mentioned by Gary (JustG) is that you would play CoC with your friends (most likely since it requires co-operation, from the keast that i may know). And you might play randoms, or with friends - well fhat remains an option.

In CoC i do not know if there's any Player VS Player. I think its Bots versus players? In VG youre competing against REAL PLAYERS (real life players of course) and who knows how many people are iut there actually playing VG closed BETA (on android, iOS was completed long back i think). Also speaking of it, there's no items in CoC, youre directly playing - not trying to be mean here, but strategy is key in VG. You collect gold by killing the miners when they spawn and these games last solely 20minutes?

Levelling up and gears is what creates a problem in VG - from what ive seen. In CoC, youre anyways going to have levelling with combinations as well. I would say both have some here's and there's. VG is mainly based on graphics, Gameplay strategy, and some places of P2W (which i havent seen in CoC, who knows if P2W infects CoC).

The sole trouble for me for VG is that there's pretty much less players, i barely see anygames for me starting and it seems like there arent many active. Ive seen alot - ALOT of people and its really hard to tell of how many even play.

VG has high end graphic effects, they cycle free toons everytime (they just cycle'd free chars) whilst CoC has all of them free 2 play?
Lol, there is Player vs. Player ofc, and in my point of view, CoC is more hardcore and fun to play, while VG is just a game with way too much fancy graphics.
Just my point of view.

[Wazakesy]

Lol, there is Player vs. Player ofc, and in my point of view, CoC is more hardcore and fun to play, while VG is just a game with way too much fancy graphics.
Just my point of view.

I dont find VG that high edged or high end graphics game. CoC has competitive graohics as well :>

[Iheybeautiful]

I dont find VG that high edged or high end graphics game. CoC has competitive graohics as well :>
I find VG too fancy, yes CoC has competitive graphics but it focuses on gameplay more, unlike VG which focuses on graphics the most.
Just my point of view.

[Roberto077]

I think VG is trying to be too close to PC MOBAs. While it is different, CoC is a new experience to even long time league/DOTA/SMITE players since items and minions are removed making the objective play more focused than the item rush/fighting. Heroes of the Storm treats objective similarly in the fact that you need to focus the objective or you lose, because that stupid pirate ship is just too dang op.

[Spellcheck]

Meh, I'm excited for CoC despite 5 minute matches. I'm Vainglorious silver via solo que and hopefully CoC is just as competitive and has ranked/casual que. Only thing I'm scared about is devs, I don't know how Sts are gonna compete with SEMC since they update the game with new heroes, buffs, nerfs,etc every month and listen to their players. I love Sts devs but they don't listen to their players IMO and have a good update in AL every year or 6 months.

[Roberto077]

Meh, I'm excited for CoC despite 5 minute matches. I'm Vainglorious silver via solo que and hopefully CoC is just as competitive and has ranked/casual que. Only thing I'm scared about is devs, I don't know how Sts are gonna compete with SEMC since they update the game with new heroes, buffs, nerfs,etc every month and listen to their players. I love Sts devs but they don't listen to their players IMO and have a good update in AL every year or 6 months.

Luckily MOBAs are build off player feedback and constant updates, so STS will be updating the game regularly upon release. If the game isn't constantly expanding/changing, playing a single map over and over in pvp will get boring, so adding new champions or giving buffs to nerfs to constantly played/complained about champions will keep the game more fresh in the long run. Vainglory and CoC absolutely need updates and changes to be a success.

[Zylx]

We noticed yesterday that VG is~2.1 gigs, while Champs is still under 100 megs 0.o

This. VG might have top-notch and overly-executed graphics and details, but CoC is more optimized for more mobile devices, and still retains excellent gameplay. Comparing CoC to VG is like comparing AL to O&C. They're both made for mobile gaming, but one is for high-end devices and the other is for everything.

[Magic Sword]

Not a huge fan of vain glory from what ive read call is much faster paced which I think will make it a much better game

[Ubernewber]

Yes, but when you remove the leveling, items, and minions, you remove a lot of options to use and remove a lot of diversity, thats why Vainglory games are always different everytime.

I barely stay in the store reading what they do, thats what the acedemy in VG is for (Teaches you all the items and what they do).

COC is more of a game thats easy to pick up and probably more focused on skill shots for more hardcore gameplay. COC is probably gonna be more like MMO pvp except with tons of characters and much more diverse stats, objectives, and boosts.
I'm also very curious to see how the orb works, the unique factor that seems pretty cool to me atleast.


There was a game called bloodline champions that is pretty much dead, check out the gameplay. Seems like CoC is a mobile version of it

[Dchar7]

+Magic sword . If you want to learn as much as you can about coc before it's realised i suggest you subscribe to Callofchampions on youtube and watch their updated content vlogs for information about the game mechanics and improvements.

[Magic Sword]

+Magic sword . If you want to learn as much as you can about coc before it's realised i suggest you subscribe to Callofchampions on youtube and watch their updated content vlogs for information about the game mechanics and improvements.

thank u i will definately do this!

[Dchar7]

It's No problem. ☺

[Magic Sword]

It's No problem. ☺

i got a link to beta or whatevr so i will be starting ssoon i hopr its good

[Burstnuke]

I'll be signing up for the closed beta, i really want to experience the game itself and see how great it is! I'll expect it to be very fun as its really based on skill shots and strategy, and to be disverse with so many champions.

[Trollish]

Idk if this is necro- too lazy.

I was once a hardcore STS game player, logging more than 2k hours and spending upwards of 1200$ on PL and AL.

When PL was abandoned and Vain came into beta, I started to question STS. Over time, I realized that STS is one of the most selfish, pay-to-win companies I have ever been a customer of. They don't care about their player base, and while they may say they do, their only concern is revenue.

Vainglory requires absolutely no cash to be good at. You can spend nothing and be a top tier player.

Vainglory also has multiple characteristics that make it a viable game, with real PC- quality specs, tournaments, employees from Riot, Blizzard, and more, as well as 26m+ in funding.

I got tired of STS draining my funds and providing the worst customer support I have ever been subject too. They delete anything that doesn't promote their products on their forums, their employees are often jerks, and they don't listen to their player base.

So, I'm sure the poor moderators will delete this quickly and ignore my customer experience.

All I wanted to say was think about whether STS games are worth your time. They waste your money, they have low skill caps and require lots of cash to be good at, and don't scale in the long term. Last time I checked, CoC doesn't have televised tournaments with 100 grand USD rewards. Vainglory does.

Peace

[Oculus]

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Idk if this is necro- too lazy.

I was once a hardcore STS game player, logging more than 2k hours and spending upwards of 1200$ on PL and AL.

When PL was abandoned and Vain came into beta, I started to question STS. Over time, I realized that STS is one of the most selfish, pay-to-win companies I have ever been a customer of. They don't care about their player base, and while they may say they do, their only concern is revenue.

Vainglory requires absolutely no cash to be good at. You can spend nothing and be a top tier player.

Vainglory also has multiple characteristics that make it a viable game, with real PC- quality specs, tournaments, employees from Riot, Blizzard, and more, as well as 26m+ in funding.

I got tired of STS draining my funds and providing the worst customer support I have ever been subject too. They delete anything that doesn't promote their products on their forums, their employees are often jerks, and they don't listen to their player base.

So, I'm sure the poor moderators will delete this quickly and ignore my customer experience.

All I wanted to say was think about whether STS games are worth your time. They waste your money, they have low skill caps and require lots of cash to be good at, and don't scale in the long term. Last time I checked, CoC doesn't have televised tournaments with 100 grand USD rewards. Vainglory does.

Peace

I agree. Vainglory responds in seconds for support, everything is achievable with glory (even skins). No pay to win aspect, much more refined but I still play coc because it's fun.
I only moved onto vain after they abandoned PL. But Cinco updated it again but still, I just like vainglory.
And I have also spent a phenomal amount of time into vain now, and reached a pretty competitive skill tier.
Only thing that isn't available for glory is the one time never re occurring Halloween skins which will disappear soon.

[Instanthumor]

Idk if this is necro- too lazy.

I was once a hardcore STS game player, logging more than 2k hours and spending upwards of 1200$ on PL and AL.

When PL was abandoned and Vain came into beta, I started to question STS. Over time, I realized that STS is one of the most selfish, pay-to-win companies I have ever been a customer of. They don't care about their player base, and while they may say they do, their only concern is revenue.

Vainglory requires absolutely no cash to be good at. You can spend nothing and be a top tier player.

Vainglory also has multiple characteristics that make it a viable game, with real PC- quality specs, tournaments, employees from Riot, Blizzard, and more, as well as 26m+ in funding.

I got tired of STS draining my funds and providing the worst customer support I have ever been subject too. They delete anything that doesn't promote their products on their forums, their employees are often jerks, and they don't listen to their player base.

So, I'm sure the poor moderators will delete this quickly and ignore my customer experience.

All I wanted to say was think about whether STS games are worth your time. They waste your money, they have low skill caps and require lots of cash to be good at, and don't scale in the long term. Last time I checked, CoC doesn't have televised tournaments with 100 grand USD rewards. Vainglory does.

Peace

I can tell you haven't even touched CoC. Coming from myself who has played AL ($$ demanding), CoC is a whole new game. It's literally free to play!

You shouldn't expect too much out of a game that only came out (Apple only) a few weeks ago. Give it some time to grow. How long did it take VG? :)

[Mucsi]

So... Sts copied vani glory or Vani copied sts? Seems like these games are same, except the characters and maps

[Trollish]

I can tell you haven't even touched CoC. Coming from myself who has played AL ($$ demanding), CoC is a whole new game. It's literally free to play!

You shouldn't expect too much out of a game that only came out (Apple only) a few weeks ago. Give it some time to grow. How long did it take VG? :)

Your kidding me right? As soon as you get into the game your spammed with requests to purchase some bullsh&t subscription or buy heroes.

[Trollish]

So... Sts copied vani glory or Vani copied sts? Seems like these games are same, except the characters and maps

STS copied Vainglory. Just like they did with all of their clash of clans rip offs. They don't make games, they rip off other people's games, and rip them off horribly at that. CoC is light years away of being even slightly competitive with Vainglory.

[vawaid]

I have no play vainglory yet, but some tallents in CoC tastes like Mastery pages / rune pages in LoL. It's normal about taking good stuff from a game to make it better in other game. Just imagine how LoL can be something without taking anything from Dota or other games.

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[Dimitrian]

I can tell you haven't even touched CoC. Coming from myself who has played AL ($$ demanding), CoC is a whole new game. It's literally free to play!

You shouldn't expect too much out of a game that only came out (Apple only) a few weeks ago. Give it some time to grow. How long did it take VG? :)
AL is f2p too! I got my mari,Arcane ring and i'm on my way to Planar Pendant without spending money in it!

I haven't tried VainGlory,but i tried CoC, and i wasn't too impressed.The game feels kinda repetitive and there aren't many heroes to play with.I mean,every match i played had a Seraphina on BOTH teams.But yeah i'd give it a few months to grow.Nobody is born Chuck Norris, except Chuck Norris.

And about the battle games- biggest failure this company has ever done.They only made them to not give a duck about them.And everybody knows that trying to make a Clash of Clans ripoff may give you a lot of hate.This coming from a former Clasher.

Back to AL: this game has to revive from a very depressing year.The game had its highest level of p2w-ness in the 6 month stalemate,but after the worst expansion ever (sorry i had to say that), the game had its highest level of f2p-ness since the first seasons.It also had bad events,and game balance is really non-existent.It is f2p,but if there's no balance,then it has no meaning.




I'd like to see how many butts will be slammed by the ban-hammer in this thread XD

[Trollish]

AL is f2p too! I got my mari,Arcane ring and i'm on my way to Planar Pendant without spending money in it!

I haven't tried VainGlory,but i tried CoC, and i wasn't too impressed.The game feels kinda repetitive and there aren't many heroes to play with.I mean,every match i played had a Seraphina on BOTH teams.But yeah i'd give it a few months to grow.Nobody is born Chuck Norris, except Chuck Norris.

And about the battle games- biggest failure this company has ever done.They only made them to not give a duck about them.And everybody knows that trying to make a Clash of Clans ripoff may give you a lot of hate.This coming from a former Clasher.

Back to AL: this game has to revive from a very depressing year.The game had its highest level of p2w-ness in the 6 month stalemate,but after the worst expansion ever (sorry i had to say that), the game had its highest level of f2p-ness since the first seasons.It also had bad events,and game balance is really non-existent.It is f2p,but if there's no balance,then it has no meaning.




I'd like to see how many butts will be slammed by the ban-hammer in this thread XD

Exactly, they think they can solve everything with a ban hammer and more in app purchases.

Hey, they can ban me all they want. Besides, they showed us how good their banning capabilities were back when we had our lovely psychic relationship fixing voodoo spammer months ago right? They sure got rid of him fast (kappa).

[Instanthumor]

Exactly, they think they can solve everything with a ban hammer and more in app purchases.

Hey, they can ban me all they want. Besides, they showed us how good their banning capabilities were back when we had our lovely psychic relationship fixing voodoo spammer months ago right? They sure got rid of him fast (kappa).

I'm sorry. I sincerely pity you. I've wasted thousands on AL in the past but I'm not sitting here bching about sts. If you think VG is way better and CoC is just a copy, by all means just go and play VG. I'll be over at CoC enjoying myself. Good day :)

[Zylx]

Vainglory is the swizzle to the grizzle. It's a really great game :)