Good Job STS

[Oezheasate]

I havent been this long in the game, half a year now but I've heard a lot about plat players having such a big advantage etc etc.
In my experience this is quite a bitter truth, while non paying users like me before the expansion struggled in planar tombs 3 farming breeze (500k), platinum purchasing players looted one shard or fossil and inmediately had 20+ million. This created an incredible gap between rich and poor, therefore hopes to get gear like the arcane ring etc equalled 0.

However now after this expansion plat players still get something for their money but farm to pay players also have a chance at getting top gear by putting in enough effort, we have km3 to farm for locks, the wilds for the bar, arena for vials, the new maps for insignias and new gear, etc etc.

Why do we have a chance at that top gear? Due to the tokens system sts introduced, now the shard has dropped a lot in value, the fossil aswell, etc etc all these items needed to get top gear are affordable.

If you farm one bar you only need to have around 1 million stashed and u can go and craft urself the arcane ring (i know the price changes constantly and 1 million seemed a good average price for the shard).

I for myself love to complain but this time i just cant, i have to say thank you sts, you have given farm 2 pay players a chance to close the gap and have done a great job getting some balance back between plat players and farm/grind players.

(Sorry for any mistakes made, my mothertongue is german :) )

Cheers,
Oez.

[xnorwayx]

This is what made plat buyers a little angry. Now in pvp/pve they will get competition from F2P players :)

[xcainnblecterx]

Honestly don't get why heavy plat buyers are so mad. There's still plenty of ways to earn gold off plat. Any mmo that's not mobile and ftp make terrific sales off of stuff that has no effect on gameplay. Take rift for example, besides buying end game pvp gear there is no item that can be bought to effect gameplay (ie, gear, weapons, etc.) I don't see how al couldn't achieve the same just cause looting a arcane from lockeds doesn't make you a instant 10+ mil now. Heck even pl, dl, and sl made good sales with no items effecting gameplay, just cosmetic or elixers

[Litheus]

Sts should manipulate the prices of objects a bit so that plat spenders don't get a huge advantage and farmers can also buy end game gear. Like they should increase or decrease the drop rates so that shard don't reach 100mil or comes down under 1m. I think 5-10m for a shard is OK.

[Candylicks]

Honestly don't get why heavy plat buyers are so mad. There's still plenty of ways to earn gold off plat. Any mmo that's not mobile and ftp make terrific sales off of stuff that has no effect on gameplay. Take rift for example, besides buying end game pvp gear there is no item that can be bought to effect gameplay (ie, gear, weapons, etc.) I don't see how al couldn't achieve the same just cause looting a arcane from lockeds doesn't make you a instant 10+ mil now. Heck even pl, dl, and sl made good sales with no items effecting gameplay, just cosmetic or elixers

Because I have spent an exorbitant amount of money supporting this game and in my over 200k of plat using history I never once looted an arcane shard until they changed the drop rate with expansion. I bought an arc ring at 120m, nekro 30m, Imbued 20m, Maridos 30m.... And in the blink of an eye it's all basically worthless. Do you think I like that now someone can spend 7 days of farming and purchase an arcane ring, and that said item cost me over ten thousand usd?

We are not talking that people can grind hard and get best items, people can grind for a very short amount of time and get a nekro and ring.

It's a huge put off to me. How would you like it if your parents gave you a Mercedes and in 6 months they swapped it out for a Ford focus?

The shard thing is disgusting and I pray to God that they have some crafting up their sleeve that requires 10 shards to craft it. Then we will see who had the last laugh. I'm sorry but I'm sick of the f2p players getting all high and mighty. Fact is balance between both kinds of players is what keeps the game afloat. People to fund it and players to play it.

The plat players are not happy with current loot tables. You think we like rolling the dice for those class lix and fangs?

[kiwotsukete]

lock poppers just have to wait.... atm so many arcanes are flooded into the market. making it worthless to pop locks in terms of plat per gp. so while the prices are low, no one will pop locks like they did on the release of the expansion. the supply of arcanes will drain, causing them to raise in price. lock poppers will pop more locks flooding the Auction with arcanes. causing bar prices to jump again. this will be a cycle that will determine the communities economy for a long time to come.

[Litheus]

Right now that value of plat is more. People need to spend less plat to get arcanes faster. This is what it should be. Plat should make things only faster like now it makes.

[grzena1982]

With the current prices and everything being given away almost for free i think rhat many plat spenders have little if no incentives to spend more on this game at its current state. Just to give u a perspective, i spent approx 60k plat on all accounts and been occasionally playing for over 3 years. Yet in that time i never was able to loot arcane shard nor necro fossil, and although i felt annoyed this was a major factor that made me hitting more locks. Players with arcane shards & necros where privileged, and literally everone wanted to be among them and busk in their glory.

Atm every average bill can get everything what i have been striving to get with so much sweat and money within a week time of hard farming. You may find it fair, call it a balanced game, stabilised economy or anything else, but i call this bull****. So, i got my shard, 3 necros for all chars, did not even bother doing the quest, and we all have the same pets and stats. Except, the game is less interesting i suppose, isnt it?

[kiwotsukete]

times change .-. so you just want to pay money on the game so you can have bragging rights? ive thrown over 300hours into this game in the past 2 months. I deserve these arcanes. I have also spent 200+ dollars on this game.

[kiwotsukete]

With the current prices and everything being given away almost for free i think rhat many plat spenders have little if no incentives to spend more on this game at its current state. Just to give u a perspective, i spent approx 60k plat on all accounts and been occasionally playing for over 3 years. Yet in that time i never was able to loot arcane shard nor necro fossil, and although i felt annoyed this was a major factor that made me hitting more locks. Players with arcane shards & necros where privileged, and literally everone wanted to be among them and busk in their glory.

Atm every average bill can get everything what i have been striving to get with so much sweat and money within a week time of hard farming. You may find it fair, call it a balanced game, stabilised economy or anything else, but i call this bull****. So, i got my shard, 3 necros for all chars, did not even bother doing the quest, and we all have the same pets and stats. Except, the game is less interesting i suppose, isnt it? btw you may want to revise your post.... even staring out a cuss word will get your comment removed and given a warning. I know from personal experience.

[Oezheasate]

This is what made plat buyers a little angry. Now in pvp/pve they will get competition from F2P players :)

Xd I can see you getting revenge on all those geared players that don't have skill, good luck bro

[xcainnblecterx]

Because I have spent an exorbitant amount of money supporting this game and in my over 200k of plat using history I never once looted an arcane shard until they changed the drop rate with expansion. I bought an arc ring at 120m, nekro 30m, Imbued 20m, Maridos 30m.... And in the blink of an eye it's all basically worthless. Do you think I like that now someone can spend 7 days of farming and purchase an arcane ring, and that said item cost me over ten thousand usd?

We are not talking that people can grind hard and get best items, people can grind for a very short amount of time and get a nekro and ring.

It's a huge put off to me. How would you like it if your parents gave you a Mercedes and in 6 months they swapped it out for a Ford focus?

The shard thing is disgusting and I pray to God that they have some crafting up their sleeve that requires 10 shards to craft it. Then we will see who had the last laugh. I'm sorry but I'm sick of the f2p players getting all high and mighty. Fact is balance between both kinds of players is what keeps the game afloat. People to fund it and players to play it.

The plat players are not happy with current loot tables. You think we like rolling the dice for those class lix and fangs?

I've bought my fare shair of plat but not to gamble, I use free offers for that. You think ftp players were happy having to grind continuously to achieve a item someone can just get lucky on? I just think there needs to be a balance between the two. If you spent $10k to loot one item and now its alot cheaper yea I get the anger but guess what? Use your plat on something else now. No one made you spend that much or however much you have spent. Honestly if I had that much money to blow I'd be living my life alot better...as for my parents buying a car I'd be surprised if they bought me anything but I'm 24 years old and would be happy if Ieven had a car that ran

[Kingofninjas]

Because I have spent an exorbitant amount of money supporting this game and in my over 200k of plat using history I never once looted an arcane shard until they changed the drop rate with expansion. I bought an arc ring at 120m, nekro 30m, Imbued 20m, Maridos 30m.... And in the blink of an eye it's all basically worthless. Do you think I like that now someone can spend 7 days of farming and purchase an arcane ring, and that said item cost me over ten thousand usd?

We are not talking that people can grind hard and get best items, people can grind for a very short amount of time and get a nekro and ring.

It's a huge put off to me. How would you like it if your parents gave you a Mercedes and in 6 months they swapped it out for a Ford focus?

The shard thing is disgusting and I pray to God that they have some crafting up their sleeve that requires 10 shards to craft it. Then we will see who had the last laugh. I'm sorry but I'm sick of the f2p players getting all high and mighty. Fact is balance between both kinds of players is what keeps the game afloat. People to fund it and players to play it.

The plat players are not happy with current loot tables. You think we like rolling the dice for those class lix and fangs?

It's true that the current create loot table leave much to be desired but it is still better than it was when shard was 80m+. Players like you who payed 120m for a ring has it for a whole year longer than players who are just getting theirs.

I admit that 1 week of farming being able to earn a ring is a bit too easy, but 2-4 weeks should be more than enough. IMO a 10m price tag would be ideal.

Like you said, plat users and free players are both vital to the sustainance of the game. F2P players hated the previous system where it was pretty much impossible to get a maxed out toon. We dealt with it for a year. Plats are finally what they were meant to be; a shortcut and not the main road. I think the prices are as close to ideal as they have been for the past year.

[Ebezaanec]

The problem with allowing everyone to have the same gear is the lack of a top-tier standard. IMO, with the current supply of blood rubies and mythic amulets, this is too extreme.

STG needs to find a way to reduce the supply of mythics/arcanes. Not by adjusting loot rates, but by taking them out of the game. Gear is easy enough to control but pet eggs is a different matter. That supply will always grow steadily. STG has introduced countless ways of bringing in mythics/arcanes to F2P but what happens when that supply becomes too much for the declining demand?

"Give everyone arcanes and when everyone is arcane, no one will be..."

[rstilzchen]

In my opinion we have two extremes: one is state of affairs what we had earlier, and second is what we have now. Need something in the middle.
(I dont buy plat)

[Edward Coug]

Because I have spent an exorbitant amount of money supporting this game and in my over 200k of plat using history I never once looted an arcane shard until they changed the drop rate with expansion. I bought an arc ring at 120m, nekro 30m, Imbued 20m, Maridos 30m.... And in the blink of an eye it's all basically worthless. Do you think I like that now someone can spend 7 days of farming and purchase an arcane ring, and that said item cost me over ten thousand usd?

We are not talking that people can grind hard and get best items, people can grind for a very short amount of time and get a nekro and ring.

It's a huge put off to me. How would you like it if your parents gave you a Mercedes and in 6 months they swapped it out for a Ford focus?

The shard thing is disgusting and I pray to God that they have some crafting up their sleeve that requires 10 shards to craft it. Then we will see who had the last laugh. I'm sorry but I'm sick of the f2p players getting all high and mighty. Fact is balance between both kinds of players is what keeps the game afloat. People to fund it and players to play it.

The plat players are not happy with current loot tables. You think we like rolling the dice for those class lix and fangs?

I think it's great that you had the money to support a game you loved. However, if it costs that kind of real money to get the best gear in the game, something is terribly wrong. STG may have gone too far in the other direction, but it was seriously broken before.

On a side note, I really think they should give you your own statue in Garetta. Heck, your own town.

[Candylicks]

I think it's great that you had the money to support a game you loved. However, if it costs that kind of real money to get the best gear in the game, something is terribly wrong. STG may have gone too far in the other direction, but it was seriously broken before.

On a side note, I really think they should give you your own statue in Garetta. Heck, your own town.
I don't regret it but what bothers me to no end is how some of the f2p are getting so snarky to me here and in game. I'm getting threats and attacks left and right and it's hurting my spirit to play. It's like a kick in the teeth from sts and the community.

I've just been chill and fun and tried to spread around the wealth to my friends and guild, never merched or ripped people off. Now? I mean read the forums it's basically a gang against the plat players and yeah. It hurts.

[Candylicks]

Really every thread is full of screw the adults who funded this community let's beat them up in pvp they sucked anyways. Ehhhh I gotta say I'm just about to my threshold of tolerance on forums and in game.

[Jazzi]

Really every thread is full of screw the adults who funded this community let's beat them up in pvp they sucked anyways. Ehhhh I gotta say I'm just about to my threshold of tolerance on forums and in game.

This is not true imo. I admit some of the comments imply that, but most don't. As someone already said having to spend 10k real currency to get 1 item, even if it is the best one, in a mobile game is very very wrong. In fact for such a game having to spend more than 100 USD/Euro to get one of those is already too much. Anyhow just my opinion :)

P.S. In regards to the "threats and attacks" u mentioned in other comment. This is really regrettable. The forum is here to exchange opinions and discuss, not to make people feel bad :)

[Bidiel]

:v 136492

Plat users stilll have this choice, this is the most secure choice to get gold, the lockeds r only and option to get good items with the plat and a little luck.

:D

[Kyle Holmes]

I wouldn't buy gold with my plat, if I was ganna buy plat to make gold I would buy ankhs, they give a bigger turnover

sent from fritters beak

[Justg]

Folks, please keep it civil. There are those that are happy with how things are and those that are not.

We are extremely appreciative of both plat and ftp players. You are both essential to our economy (and livelyhood!). We strive to make the game a great experience for both.

It is a very delicate balance. We fall off from time to time. We very much appreciate that you are here, and continue to let us know with a minimum of drama.

- g

[leeelooo]

Please explain in detail how plat and ftp players are essential to your livelihood and our economy.

[Ebezaanec]

Please explain in detail how plat and ftp players are essential to your livelihood and our economy.

Plat spenders spend money on the game because they want to be at the top. They max out their toons because they want to farm elite maps with less difficulty and to dominate PvP. If there were no plat-spenders, the company wouldn't have the financial support to keep the servers online.

Free-to-play players buy the stuff plat-spenders bring into the game (whether from locks or elite). They buy ankhs, luck elixirs, vanities, etc. They also play PvP and are a major source of competition. If there were no F2P players, towns and PvP maps would be deserted.

Plat-spenders are primarily the supply while F2P are the demand (if you want to speak in terms of mythics/arcanes). You need both to have a successful F2P game.

[Tendirin]

Lol, It should be alot more like star legends where you could actually loot badass stuff instead of having to blow alot of gold/credits to just get something you would like to use, in arcane legends, the rich get richer and the poor get poorer i really wish this game was more about farming than who had more gold.GG at your thread because you now just noticed this. Lel

[Ghoul]

Candy, I get that you are mad, really. But depreciation of prices was only to be expected towards the end of the season; besides you got all your gear as soon as they came out, so of course they cost exponentially higher than a freaking YEAR LATER. You also got to use them for at least a year!

IMO, an mmo should have 2 roads to a goal, the Plat way and the FTP way. Game survived long enough with a huge advantage given to the Plat way and now it's in a bit of a depression that's all, something new will come along.

As a FTP player, do you think it is possible to farm 120M? When elite legendaries are worth hundred k's at max... Yeah, no.

Plat users pay to escape the grinding... They shouldn't be the only ones to get gear. That's P2W.

F2P players keep the game afloat. Although there aren't many in the forums, about a third of in game players haven't spent more than 100 USD on the game. Weren't for them, the population would be far smaller, and there'd be no one to gain an advantage over. If everyone's special, nobody is.

[leeelooo]

Plat spenders spend money on the game because they want to be at the top. They max out their toons because they want to farm elite maps with less difficulty and to dominate PvP. If there were no plat-spenders, the company wouldn't have the financial support to keep the servers online.

Free-to-play players buy the stuff plat-spenders bring into the game (whether from locks or elite). They buy ankhs, luck elixirs, vanities, etc. They also play PvP and are a major source of competition. If there were no F2P players, towns and PvP maps would be deserted.

Plat-spenders are primarily the supply while F2P are the demand (if you want to speak in terms of mythics/arcanes). You need both to have a successful F2P game.

Sorry I should have quoted but my question was directed to justg

[Tatman]

It's not ok when best stuff is 100m+.

However, it's equally not ok when best stuff is 1-2m.

This has nothing to do with the end of the season. Prices of pets for example should not be affected in such a drastic manner by the end of a season. Anyway, it is what it is.

[Candylicks]

Candy, I get that you are mad, really. But depreciation of prices was only to be expected towards the end of the season; besides you got all your gear as soon as they came out, so of course they cost exponentially higher than a freaking YEAR LATER. You also got to use them for at least a year!

IMO, an mmo should have 2 roads to a goal, the Plat way and the FTP way. Game survived long enough with a huge advantage given to the Plat way and now it's in a bit of a depression that's all, something new will come along.

As a FTP player, do you think it is possible to farm 120M? When elite legendaries are worth hundred k's at max... Yeah, no.

Plat users pay to escape the grinding... They shouldn't be the only ones to get gear. That's P2W.

F2P players keep the game afloat. Although there aren't many in the forums, about a third of in game players haven't spent more than 100 USD on the game. Weren't for them, the population would be far smaller, and there'd be no one to gain an advantage over. If everyone's special, nobody is.

The pendulum swung too far in the other direction.

My suggestion:
1. Make those shards valuable with arcane crafting requiring many shards
2. Remove all old mythic in locked
3. Keep the loot table fresh in both locked and maps- update gear, pets, vanity more often
4. Remove the class lix from locked. Replace with larger gold payout
5. Add old arcane pets to elite map loot table- give everyone a shot at dropping a Sam or singe
6. Increase gold payout at boss
7. Stop putting things in boxes. We like to see stuff drop direct like recipe
8. Improve the items bought with crate coins. Fang? Lunar? Seriously 400 crate tokens = a 9k item????

The point here is we need better quality items within the game, inside of locked, and more fresh non-recolor stuff. Tone down the rate of shards and fossils dropping, I have complained about this so many times. I'm sorry but arcane should be rare, and unless there are future plans to gobble them up with new equips then it's ridiculous.

[Candylicks]

It's not ok when best stuff is 100m+.

However, it's equally not ok when best stuff is 1-2m.

This has nothing to do with the end of the season. Prices of pets for example should not be affected in such a drastic manner by the end of a season. Anyway, it is what it is.

Yeah exactly. Heck Kershal and maul man they held value and slowly depreciated, and everyone was ready to jump on a bully or saw or rifle the transition was smooth. What's happening now is chaos!

I'm practically giving away the brand new mythic. How does the make any sense?

[Pyrogenie]

Candy, I get that you are mad, really. But depreciation of prices was only to be expected towards the end of the season; besides you got all your gear as soon as they came out, so of course they cost exponentially higher than a YEAR LATER. You also got to use them for at least a year!

IMO, an mmo should have 2 roads to a goal, the Plat way and the FTP way. Game survived long enough with a huge advantage given to the Plat way and now it's in a bit of a depression that's all, something new will come along.

As a FTP player, do you think it is possible to farm 120M? When elite legendaries are worth hundred k's at max... Yeah, no.

Plat users pay to escape the grinding... They shouldn't be the only ones to get gear. That's P2W.

F2P players keep the game afloat. Although there aren't many in the forums, about a third of in game players haven't spent more than 100 USD on the game. Weren't for them, the population would be far smaller, and there'd be no one to gain an advantage over. If everyone's special, nobody is.

F2P players play there part but, DO NOT keep this game a float. STG is a business guys, period. let's look at it in a business sense, if all players were F2P where is the income? How do STG pay there employees? How do they pay for the programming and extensive hours they all put into producing a game? What would be the point? P2W players are what pay the bills and F2P are the bulk that keep the game active. There's a balance that is required to maintain a game like Arcane Legends, like Justg said, there both an important part of the community and uprise of such a game. Although I do agree it is nice to he able to afford gear and such like you want but, plat buyers see the problem like myself I've probably spent on the upwards of 9k or so on plat and the problem is a individual plat buyer see's the harm coming from the economy being at a all time low, where F2P players do not. Okay buyers like myself will not spend 89.99 for 1700 plat and in return you may get a couple mil which now you can farm fairly easy. Therefore add up all those individuals that know this and it adds up to a lot of money. Hence STG starts losing money on Arcane Legends therefore remember like I said it's a business (not saying they do not care about there community) and it there is no profit in it this game will fade away and die. I don't want to see that happen but any Spacetime employees that reads this knows in there mind right now I'm right. So I agree the economy needs to return how it was. It was much better and more balanced before.

[kiwotsukete]

you nabs still going on about this??? sts does 2x teeth to increase the amount of bars raising the price of shard and you are still crying???????? learn when to spend your plat! if you blow it on locks then its your ownfault.

[Pyrogenie]

you nabs still going on about this??? sts does 2x teeth to increase the amount of bars raising the price of shard and you are still crying???????? learn when to spend your plat! if you blow it on locks then its your ownfault.

You missed the point completely. If nobody spends money on this game it will die out. If the loot coming out of crates is not worth much people will not buy plat. If you had a business would you keep working at that business if you were loosing money!??? It's not free of charge to STG to run a game like this. Why is it nobody see's this.

[kiwotsukete]

why do you guys fail to realize plat can be spent on so many other things?? ankhs, elixirs, vanitys, even potions! I will continue to buy plat since it is not about what you do with it! it is when youuse I that matters!

[Candylicks]

you nabs still going on about this??? sts does 2x teeth to increase the amount of bars raising the price of shard and you are still crying???????? learn when to spend your plat! if you blow it on locks then its your ownfault.

It's about sts making it better for everyone, both sides. Shard /bar prices are just a fraction of the issue. Like I said, keeping the loot table in both locked and elite zones fresh/new/fun gives us all motivation to spend or farm our hearts out.

I wish they made this super tough boss for you all and he dropped those old mythic necks. Lol (:

[Pyrogenie]

why do you guys fail to realize plat can be spent on so many other things?? ankhs, elixirs, vanitys, even potions! I will continue to buy plat since it is not about what you do with it! it is when youuse I that matters!

No lol how do you think it would work if a casino removed everything gambling related. They make there money of food, drinks and rooms??? Lol you win. GG

[kiwotsukete]

It's about sts making it better for everyone, both sides. Shard /bar prices are just a fraction of the issue. Like I said, keeping the loot table in both locked and elite zones fresh/new/fun gives us all motivation to spend or farm our hearts out.

I wish they made this super tough boss for you all and he dropped those old mythic necks. Lol (: I agree on keeping things fresh, but you play buyers that say you lose so much money on locks, then boycott them! according to zeus you whales could change the market prices.... just get everyone that pops locks to no longer buy locks... their price goes down, your profit goes up... while you kill f2p that is..

[kiwotsukete]

No lol how do you think it would work if a casino removed everything gambling related. They make there money of food, drinks and rooms??? Lol you win. GG then learn when to gamble and when to fold... its the simple basics of gambling and economy. if the gamble will pay off, do itm if it wont, then dont.

[Zeus]

Here's the thing, simply put.

Before Arcane/Mythic Galore:
- Plat Whales Spent
- Casual Players Spent

After Arcane/Mythic Galorei:
- Just Casual Players Spend


I hope me, Candy, and Pyro are really not the only ones that see the issue here...


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In my opinion, there are ways to make sure F2P can obtain gold. Together, developers and players just need to find more of these hidden gems. As of now and in the past, the best ways to make gold were: farming arena for fossil, recipe, teeth (tindirin). In reality, this was great! We just need more of these awesome additions to the game. That way, if a player like myself (who has never looted a fossil in arena master chests despite countless hours of farming) gets fed up with the lack of fruit in one area, we can always try a different area to farm. Perhaps, putting shard in the loot table and making it farmable as well.

So, this satisfies the F2P side. Remember, being F2P requires work. In any MMO, F2P usually had to work 2-3 times as hard to achieve the same results as P2P. Right now, F2P really does not have to work all that hard to achieve the same as P2P so the balance is off.

To return balance, I think developers should do as I suggested for F2P players and then return rengol crates to locked crate of the grand watch odds. Then, bringing the new mythics and placing their crafting components in crates as well as having an F2P way to farm things seems like the logical thing to do.


Thoughts, ideas, suggestions?

[kiwotsukete]

I see the issue, but none of us can do anything. and the crying and whining wont do a hit of good. only sts can fix this. which obviously they will if the income from this game drops.

[Zeus]

I see the issue, but none of us can do anything. and the crying and whining wont do a hit of good. only sts can fix this. which obviously they will if the income from this game drops.

I was editing my post, take a look at my suggestion?

[kiwotsukete]

for once zeus, I can actually agree with you. but we are not hearing anything back from sts... they are not doing a live Q&A on twitch, they are not taking live suggestions... sometimes I feel as if they do not even care.. there is so much they could do to better interact with the player base. but.... they dont..

[Serancha]

I think developers should do as I suggested

Heehee. Problem is, everyone on the forum thinks the devs should do what they suggest.

Only the accounting team can know how many people are actually spending money, and how much. I would guess that a lot more casual spenders are willing to put out money now that they have a chance at getting a decent item. Sure they won't make 50m, but casual spenders don't generally have that goal. They want good gear so they can play on par with other players. They want enough gold to be comfortable but no expectation to be 200 dmg points over everyone else. If you get enough of these players willing to spend, they can easily add up to more than a few whales.

Of course this is all speculation on both sides. STS decided to try out this model and only time will tell if it works for them. If it doesn't, I'm sure they will switch back, but they can't know unless they try.

[Anyona]

I don't regret it but what bothers me to no end is how some of the f2p are getting so snarky to me here and in game. I'm getting threats and attacks left and right and it's hurting my spirit to play. It's like a kick in the teeth from sts and the community.

I've just been chill and fun and tried to spread around the wealth to my friends and guild, never merched or ripped people off. Now? I mean read the forums it's basically a gang against the plat players and yeah. It hurts.
I feel you Candy, watching all these threads attacking plat players is horrible. Especially when I have bought my fair share of plat.

[carmine_blade]

Only the accounting team can know how many people are actually spending money, and how much. I would guess that a lot more casual spenders are willing to put out money now that they have a chance at getting a decent item.


I reckon the length of time since the last plat sale shows they're doing just fine. They don't need to discount plat because obviously people are buying it. Using myself as an example, I have spent as much on plat just since the expansion as I did in the 9ish months prior. Admittedly, I'm hardly a whale, but I'd have a 10k+ plat history now. And I bought so much plat because I could easily convert it into gold that was sufficient to purchase multiple mythics/arcanes instead of a fraction of one of those top items.

I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest there are many, many others like myself who finally see some value in buying plat. Which is a far more sustainable business model than relying on a few key players to prop you up.

[bedmaster]

If plat players want new best items so they can make gold from plat make the stats differences not so huge pls. Arcane ring is just too OP before this expansion and farmers have little chance to get one. If u gonna release new OP stuff for plat buyers then make them their own pvp rooms pls.

[Runel Joseph Ruiz]

I'm also happy for the change, but for plat spenders don't worry some developers already said that they will bring new items in the next big update.

[Xorrior]

I'm guessing here.....

New mythics and new mythic weapons.....pop lock n drop it! For the platters! Don't forget about some of the crafting ingredients :)

And if you're non platter there is the 43 mythic in the vendor.

[Oezheasate]

Just realised I didn't even say anything about the Op.

The times are good now young Padawan. You weren't here a year ago when we were doing 5k dailies and farming maps with 100-200k drops.

You were lucky to have started playing just when expansion and such a HUGE change was around the corner.

I'm glad for people like you who has started playing the game now. I'm glad for f2p people like me too who stand on the same footing as the once gods of Arlor with all their swanky gear and their bling bling.

I'm even more glad to see old friends of mine coming back to the game and farming. I'm glad to see less friends of mine complaining about how the economy sucks(less, oh who am I kidding. NONE of my f2p friends complaing about it anymore). I'm glad to see more friends of mine running km3 and elite wilds. Most of all I'm glad to finally not get the monthly PM from the odd friend, the PMs would look something like this "Bro, I'm quitting the game. I'll never be able to get Arcane ring and stuff because IRL is really busy too".

I'm not glad to see p2p players complaining about the economy all I can tell them is sit tight and enjoy the positivity oozing from the as they say majority of the community who the game can survive without(which it can't). I'm sure things will turn for the better, maybe not this month but it will. I'll add a few quotes and song lyrics to make my post more hippy but I don't think anyone bothers with my long posts.

TL;DR Im glad, we are glad, some are not glad. Not glad will soon be glad. The already glad will remain glad, hopefully.


Thank you bro, i will have to get you to be last in joining so you will be the one oink oinking his way through the map.
I got so lucky with a wonderful master and comaster that in a month people were wondering why i had so little kills but already knew so much about the game. This game with people like them and you gives me hopes that it will last 1-2 years for me if not more.

[Oezheasate]

I don't regret it but what bothers me to no end is how some of the f2p are getting so snarky to me here and in game. I'm getting threats and attacks left and right and it's hurting my spirit to play. It's like a kick in the teeth from sts and the community.

I've just been chill and fun and tried to spread around the wealth to my friends and guild, never merched or ripped people off. Now? I mean read the forums it's basically a gang against the plat players and yeah. It hurts.

I'm sorry if you got the impression that with my post i was attacking plat spenders and mocking them, I assure you that wasnt what i had in mind at all. As the title says, i wanted to show appreciation to STS for the balance they've brought into the game, at least from my point of view and i know both P2W and F2P players are both absolutely essential.

[kiwotsukete]

I'm guessing here.....

New mythics and new mythic weapons.....pop lock n drop it! For the platters! Don't forget about some of the crafting ingredients :)

And if you're non platter there is the 43 mythic in the vendor.

I actually lost some IQ points from reading this comment... one question, do you even play Arcane Legends?

if you do, them you are under a rock. the new 46 mythic gear will be 100% farmable and craftable. so please dont be cocky.

also, the level 43 mythic is vendor is a little something called "Crate Tokens"... only comes from popping locks...

please, make sure you are 100% correct about something before going around and being rude about.

sources: go look at the bloody vendor "Naxbot" in garreta.

read the announcements to see about the craftable/farmable 46 mythic orc slaying gear.

[Dimitrian]

Avikk,you da tru MVP.

As for the topic,you guys transformed an open "Thank you" letter to STS into a thread about p2p and f2p players drama.
Let me say my opinion:
Dear p2p players, i understand you.You spent enourmous amount of money in the game, just to get awesome gear and it isn't worth anything now.This is normal.You thought that if you spend your money in the game,your game experience will be assured.
No.You thought wrong.You put money in the game at your own risk.The risk that you go bankrupt IRL or that you buy gear that will be worthless in a month or two.
The p2p players are acting "mad" now because they can't afford the fact that they are killed in pvp by f2p players.They spent money in the game to be at the top, and now f2p players are getting close.

To Candy:
You are acting like a spoiled kid.I know that 90% of p2p players aren't happy with the fact that the f2p players are getting good gear,but saying that you are getting sick of them,you just want to say that they are a pest to the game and they shluld be eradicated.
Mate,the tables have finally turned for the f2p players to be something.This is the revolution of the f2p players!


Now,with this "revolution", the gap between the 2 classes is reducing very fast.You ,candy, you just want to make that gap as big as it was before.
You and the rest of the p2p players think that the main way of playing this game is through money.No,it isn't.It is just how to see it.
And i don't see how you get threats from other players.Maybe you have done something bad and some people hate you,or it is just a person with multiple accounts that wants to troll you.Either way,you should report those people.

I am a f2p player,and i am very happy to see that i can finally have a chance at all those things i couldn't even dream of.

Yes.Continue,please.

[Candylicks]

Avikk,you da tru MVP.

As for the topic,you guys transformed an open "Thank you" letter to STS into a thread about p2p and f2p players drama.
Let me say my opinion:
Dear p2p players, i understand you.You spent enourmous amount of money in the game, just to get awesome gear and it isn't worth anything now.This is normal.You thought that if you spend your money in the game,your game experience will be assured.
No.You thought wrong.You put money in the game at your own risk.The risk that you go bankrupt IRL or that you buy gear that will be worthless in a month or two.
The p2p players are acting "mad" now because they can't afford the fact that they are killed in pvp by f2p players.They spent money in the game to be at the top, and now f2p players are getting close.

To Candy:
You are acting like a spoiled kid.I know that 90% of p2p players aren't happy with the fact that the f2p players are getting good gear,but saying that you are getting sick of them,you just want to say that they are a pest to the game and they shluld be eradicated.
Mate,the tables have finally turned for the f2p players to be something.This is the revolution of the f2p players!


Now,with this "revolution", the gap between the 2 classes is reducing very fast.You ,candy, you just want to make that gap as big as it was before.
You and the rest of the p2p players think that the main way of playing this game is through money.No,it isn't.It is just how to see it.
And i don't see how you get threats from other players.Maybe you have done something bad and some people hate you,or it is just a person with multiple accounts that wants to troll you.Either way,you should report those people.

I am a f2p player,and i am very happy to see that i can finally have a chance at all those things i couldn't even dream of.

Yes.Continue,please.

I mean I use forums to stay up to date with the game and discuss topics such as the economy, expansion, pets, gear... This sort of nonsense is vile tbh and honestly tarnishs the forums. Have some respect mate for a healthy debate and choose your words with some maturity, it goes further to state your opinion with class then to go this way.

I love this game and want to see arlor happy and healthy for everyone.

[Justg]

As for the topic, you guys transformed an open "Thank you" letter to STS into a thread about p2p and f2p players drama.


This. Closing because of excessive drama.