What happened to AL...

[Verypopular]

I honestly feel sad about this game.
Shouldn't the rarity "Arcane" mean something like... -> ULTRA SPECIAL and UNIQUE?

I hate it when i enter Expedition Camp and 90% of this map.. are filled with Arcane Ring and Nekro users.
It will even get worse.
Arcane clearly isn't meant to be developed that everyone in this game has it.
Looks like it's time to add a new Rarity, above Arcane? lol.
"Arcane" seems like the new "Legendary", and "Legendary" is like.. "Common".

What do you guys think? Is it okay for you how it is now?
Nowadays, people get called noob because they cant afford Nekro/Arcane Ring.
Is it really meant to be like that?

[Ollashed]

I think its fine,little ppls can afford now arcane items.
Its only sad that the ppls who spent 20-150m for that items which are now 2-10m ... :(

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[Verypopular]

I think its fine,little ppls can afford now arcane items.
Its only sad that the ppls who spent 20-150m for that items which are now 2-10m ... :(

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Yes, and this is what pi**es me off.
A LOT of people worked their as*es off to finally reach the gold to buy an item of Arcane Rarity.
And now new players come in the game, dont know anything about the mechanics of this game and their class, and can easily buy Arcane pets for 1m.

Wanted to share something:

While doing Ursoth Event, i noticed some Rogue with Samael who obviously didnt know HOW to CHARGE A SKILL.
I told him it would be more efficient if he charges his Aimed shot / packs whatever.
He was confused, didn't know what "charging" actually means, so i explained it to him.

Do you get my point? Arcane Rogue who doesn't know how to charge his Aimed Shot?

[Oursizes]

Yes, and this is what pi**es me off.
A LOT of people worked their as*es off to finally reach the gold to buy an item of Arcane Rarity.
And now new players come in the game, dont know anything about the mechanics of this game and their class, and can easily buy Arcane pets for 1m.

Wanted to share something:

While doing Ursoth Event, i noticed some Rogue with Samael who obviously didnt know HOW to CHARGE A SKILL.
I told him it would be more efficient if he charges his Aimed shot / packs whatever.
He was confused, didn't know what "charging" actually means, so i explained it to him.

Do you get my point? Arcane Rogue who doesn't know how to charge his Aimed Shot?

Youre gonna tell that rogue to charge aimed vs boss abd elites also? Lol.

[Edward Coug]

Yes, and this is what pi**es me off.
A LOT of people worked their as*es off to finally reach the gold to buy an item of Arcane Rarity.
And now new players come in the game, dont know anything about the mechanics of this game and their class, and can easily buy Arcane pets for 1m.

Wanted to share something:

While doing Ursoth Event, i noticed some Rogue with Samael who obviously didnt know HOW to CHARGE A SKILL.
I told him it would be more efficient if he charges his Aimed shot / packs whatever.
He was confused, didn't know what "charging" actually means, so i explained it to him.

Do you get my point? Arcane Rogue who doesn't know how to charge his Aimed Shot?

Um, charging aimed shot isn't an efficient use of the skill, outside of PvP. Packs shouldn't be used in PvE. No offense, but I think you should doing some brushing up on things yourself before you call out someone else.

Personally, I think the game was about to die before prices dropped. They might be too low now (not saying they are), but they were way too high before.

[Motherless_Child]

Well...

This game used to be very small and very limited (when I first Lv 21 was the max level) and now it's getting bigger and expanding... New maps... More stuff... ETC.....

it's true that lots of people have nekro and arcane ring, but everything has an eventual replacement date... Just like when a certain iphone or something first comes out it costs like an ARM and a LEG, but eventually that same product becomes cheaper than dirt and more obtainable by the people who couldn't obtain it at first all due to the ANTICIPATION of the next best thing..... It would not make sense for the arcane ring and nekro pet to be EXTREMELY DIFFICULT to get for ever when new stuff that comes out will be better.... Only way would be for them to keep buffing nekro and ring and that would sort of make it a 1 and done item to obtain.... People would be bored with the game because if they keep buffing the pets and items to keep up with the expansions players would HAVE nothing new to work towards.....

[Kakashis]

Um, charging aimed shot isn't an efficient use of the skill, outside of PvP. Packs shouldn't be used in PvE. No offense, but I think you should doing some brushing up on things yourself before you call out someone else.

Personally, I think the game was about to die before prices dropped. They might be too low now (not saying they are), but they were way too high before.

Haha, yes never charge skills as a rogue. This is not what the class is for. In a big mob, you target the most threatening one like a mage and take him out spamming all attacks and let you mage take care of the lesser ones. Charging AS just lowers your crit chance and ultimately your bonus damage chance. Only charge in PVP for sniper shots. I only charge veil or razor shield for obvious reasons.

As for the price of things, this is the price they should have been without billionaire controls. The average player can have Arcane via token system. Uber expensive items are now vanities and event gems. It's fine the way it is.

Nekro and Arcane ring made endgame pvp unavailable for the average player because without either, you're dead. Now at least it's easier to afford to be on the same level.

[Ssneakykills]

You do realise all these arcane rings etc people are wearing are outdated now and will be replaced by newer better things ( hopefully )

[Dimitrian]

I think that sts wants us to gear better for the elites that will come out soon.
Yes,Arcanes are pretty common right now,and that is a good thing.
Now,that arcanes finally don't cost an inimaginable amount of money anymore,everyone can have a chance at arcanes without having to spend money in the game or by playing 24/24.
There are many new players coming in the game right now (probably 10 new players came into Arlor since you start reading this comment), and seeing that arcanes are affordable,they say :"Meh,if i farm hard enough i can get that arcane item!".But back when arcane prices were bigger than the Burj-khalifa, they said :"Holy moly,i'm never going to be able to get good items! I'm done with this game!"

And the arcane ring will become pretty much useless when the elites come out...Because the same thing happened to the old Mythic armor when the Imbued sets came out...

Now,with so many new players, AL is getting back on the road.Hopefully we will see a new "Best mobile MMO banner" soon enough!

[Motherless_Child]

I think that sts wants us to gear better for the elites that will come out soon.
Yes,Arcanes are pretty common right now,and that is a good thing.
Now,that arcanes finally don't cost an inimaginable amount of money anymore,everyone can have a chance at arcanes without having to spend money in the game or by playing 24/24.
There are many new players coming in the game right now (probably 10 new players came into Arlor since you start reading this comment), and seeing that arcanes are affordable,they say :"Meh,if i farm hard enough i can get that arcane item!".But back when arcane prices were bigger than the Burj-khalifa, they said :"Holy moly,i'm never going to be able to get good items! I'm done with this game!"

And the arcane ring will become pretty much useless when the elites come out...Because the same thing happened to the old Mythic armor when the Imbued sets came out...

Now,with so many new players, AL is getting back on the road.Hopefully we will see a new "Best mobile MMO banner" soon enough!

You are spot on with everything you said.... excellent post

[Energizeric]

I agree with everything the OP says. The funny thing is that when AL first began (during seasons 1 & 2), Legendary was supposed to be the rare items. When they became far too common during season 2 after the introduction locked crates, many of us began to complain that we wanted some more exclusive items, so shortly afterwards mythic and arcane items were introduced. And during seasons 3 & 4, mythic were somewhat exclusive and arcane were very rare. But as time has gone on, that has changed.

Unfortunately this is a necessary evil due to AL being a profit making game and a business. This is marketing 101.... You introduce something super rare, people then want it really bad, demand grows out of control, prices get really high, and then you slash prices and increase supply, and then everyone runs out and buys one. In the end, 90% of those who buy end up not happy because it's no longer an exclusive item anymore, which was the main draw in the first place.

So what's the solution? Add another tier of even more rare items. And it looks like STS is sort of doing that with the new "gold" tier stuff, although so far there seems to be no difference between the two gold tier pets and their regular versions, other than looks. I suspect that may change in the future.

Another theory I have is that STS felt that the game was somewhat broken during seasons 3 & 4 when those with mythic and arcane items held such a huge advantage over those with legendary items. So they have now made everything more common. So then what is the elite player left to accomplish? The answer is jewels. Many players have commented that trying to get a noble jewel is almost impossible, or really really expensive. I think that is by design. So in the future, the super elite player who has superb or noble jewels in all of his jewel slots will hold a statistical advantage over the player who has lower level jewels. And since many players will be running around with all 6 equipment items being arcane or mythic, that means you have 18 jewel slots. So having better jewels starts to add up really quick.

So yes, when you walk into town you see multiple nekros and toors running around multiple players with arcane rings and mythic weapons. But if you stop to examine their stats, you will notice that the elite few have significantly better stats than the others. Those are the players with the better gems/jewels, and that will be what motivates us to better our gear in future seasons.

I do agree that some of the sense of accomplishment is missing in that jewels are not visible to other players. I can remember completing my mythic set back in season 4 and everyone always saying "nice set" when you walked into town. Now that doesn't happen anymore. But STS can still release very rare and exclusive vanity items and that can fill that prestige gap that is now missing. And so can leaderboard banners.

I think overall this is a much better approach to the game and makes the playing field more even in PvP and among the entire player base.

[Rosinante]

I honestly feel sad about this game.
Shouldn't the rarity "Arcane" mean something like... -> ULTRA SPECIAL and UNIQUE?

I hate it when i enter Expedition Camp and 90% of this map.. are filled with Arcane Ring and Nekro users.
It will even get worse.
Arcane clearly isn't meant to be developed that everyone in this game has it.
Looks like it's time to add a new Rarity, above Arcane? lol.
"Arcane" seems like the new "Legendary", and "Legendary" is like.. "Common".

What do you guys think? Is it okay for you how it is now?
Nowadays, people get called noob because they cant afford Nekro/Arcane Ring.
Is it really meant to be like that?

Pay to win game, if you got $ you win. :greedy_dollars::dejection:

[Dimitrian]

Pay to win game, if you got $ you win. :greedy_dollars::dejection:
If now,with these arcane prices,AL is still a p2w game,then i am Lord Mardrom.

[nelson131]

it was broken already in first halloween when grimm became more common than deary...just that it wasnt tradable. if it was.....imagine the scenes.

[Bigboyblue]

I am surprised with how many people feel the way the OP does. How is a game fun when the best gear is only obtainable if you drop thousands of dollars of real life money? I think the way AL is currently is for the better. Even the best arcane can be purchased with some real farming. This is how MMO's are meant to be. The people who don't feel "special" anymore need to get a life. The real thing is these people are no longer OP, they need to have skill now. I've noticed that many of the top players never say these types of things because it it their skill that makes them "special". I am not pro by any means but I am glad with the current system. A level playing field is always the best. Now let's get some better class balance instead of 50 mil+ arcane prices.

[Candylicks]

I'm still road tripping so this going to be fast. I also am frustrated by top gear and no skill trust me it's in my guild. Many of the new players don't know how to run.

It's up to the veterans to step up here and stop qq and train them up. Stay tuned, we are going to do exactly this within my own guild.

It is what it is, but the best way to rectify the mistakes people are making is by taking the time to assist and teach people how to play.

And no I don't want to pay 50m for arcane!!! Who does? Nobody.

[Candylicks]

Socialism looks great on paper but when applied is a train wreck. It makes everyone average and lessens desire to work hard.

[Edward Coug]

Socialism looks great on paper but when applied is a train wreck. It makes everyone average and lessens desire to work hard.

Let's stay out of politics and stick to the game.

Just a quick rejoinder because I can't help myself. Social Security and Medicare are socialist programs. I don't think they make people lazy. I think they provide a safety net and keep people from falling into poverty, which ends up being more expensive for everyone.

I think passing on wealth for generations on end lessens desire to work hard, but that's just me.

[Diggdugg]

It was a metaphor, if everyone can easily get top gear nobody will buy plat and the economy and the game itself (who do you think pays for the game to continue operation) will cease to exist.

[Candylicks]

Hard work or money spent should be rewarded. Not everyone and their mother who has the game for a week. And trust me those moms and grandmas don't need an arcane wheelchair just yet.

[Edward Coug]

It was a metaphor, if everyone can easily get top gear nobody will buy plat and the economy and the game itself (who do you think pays for the game to continue operation) will cease to exist.

It's a metaphor based on the assumption that a few large buyers are greater than many smaller buyers. Without seeing the company books, we have no idea. I think we should leave the economics of the STG to STG and concern ourselves with the economics of AL instead.

[Candylicks]

It was a metaphor, if everyone can easily get top gear nobody will buy plat and the economy and the game itself (who do you think pays for the game to continue operation) will cease to exist.
I need a refill Doug. Get me my lemonade. Lol what is going on with the Forums I swear I'm like busy for a week and it's nub city.

Everyone on the forums wants the same thing. Awesome stuff. Awesome maps. Some depth to the expansion. The stupid hang ups are petty!!!!!!

[Edward Coug]

Hard work or money spent should be rewarded. Not everyone and their mother who has the game for a week. And trust me those moms and grandmas don't need an arcane wheelchair just yet.

Four months ago money spent was disproportionately rewarded (I guess you can call it hard work outside of the game) and hard work in game wasn't worth it. A lot of hardcore farmers were ready to quit. The tables have turned - perhaps too dramatically. I think we are all tired of rehashing this discussion but both sides need to be heard. And it's not just two sides. A lot of hardcore farmers like me do buy plat. We just like to have to earn things the old fashioned way. If the game becomes too much of a pay to win, we leave.

Even those who don't buy plat do support the game by being part of the player base. I know I sure appreciate having lots of players to sell to or run maps with. They aren't leeches. They are part of the community.

[Diggdugg]

Wooooo on my way....

[notfaded1]

Let's stay out of politics and stick to the game.

Just a quick rejoinder because I can't help myself. Social Security and Medicare are socialist programs. I don't think they make people lazy. I think they provide a safety net and keep people from falling into poverty, which ends up being more expensive for everyone.

I think passing on wealth for generations on end lessens desire to work hard, but that's just me.

What safety net? There's no savings and if living on social security is our goal we are in serious trouble game or IRL... When there's no reason to have anything to strive for nothing to work for anymore and all the dollars like our current gold situation in the game dries up it causes war, famine, disease plus strife and there isn't anymore people to tax left... That's not what I want. I want vibrant economy where everyone has a purpose job and is happy to pull their own weight for themselves and their friends / family. Who wants to be just one of the drones? It's like voluntarily wanting to be BORG. I'll stick with the resistance and as long as there is freedom somewhere it'll never be futile!

[Edward Coug]

I need a refill Doug. Get me my lemonade. Lol what is going on with the Forums I swear I'm like busy for a week and it's nub city.

Everyone on the forums wants the same thing. Awesome stuff. Awesome maps. Some depth to the expansion. The stupid hang ups are petty!!!!!!

Yes, I quite agree. Bring on the elites. This we can all agree on. :)

[Candylicks]

Yes, I quite agree. Bring on the elites. This we can all agree on. :)
Yeah hey I run hard and I am here to perfect my toon and be an elite machine. That's the main thing. I do feel red items should be exclusive earned just like most of us do. Not redic money or luck to the point of frustration. Just you know, fun. Something we can all strive for and obtain and not by using nefarious methods.

We truly are in the same side, the stupid posts of arcane being crap now are beyond boring. Move on. Give us new stuff sts. We ready to rawr elites!!!

[Edward Coug]

Yeah hey I run hard and I am here to perfect my toon and be an elite machine. That's the main thing. I do feel red items should be exclusive earned just like most of us do. Not redic money or luck to the point of frustration. Just you know, fun. Something we can all strive for and obtain and not by using nefarious methods.

We truly are in the same side, the stupid posts of arcane being crap now are beyond boring. Move on. Give us new stuff sts. We ready to rawr elites!!!

This is off topic, but I just have to vent. I was farming for teeth last night, and it took me about 50 elite Wilds runs to get my last five teeth for a drag bar. The luck system just kills me sometimes. That's why I loved planar tombs so much.

[Candylicks]

What safety net? There's no savings and if living on social security is our goal we are in serious trouble game or IRL... When there's no reason to have anything to strive for nothing to work for anymore and all the dollars like our current gold situation in the game dries up it causes war, famine, disease plus strife and there isn't anymore people to tax left... That's not what I want. I want vibrant economy where everyone has a purpose job and is happy to pull their own weight for themselves and their friends / family. Who wants to be just one of the drones? It's like voluntarily wanting to be BORG. I'll stick with the resistance and as long as there is freedom somewhere it'll never be futile!
Yup. People who put up the time and or cash in game should be the sharks!!!!

It will be interesting to see how the new elites pan out. The newly geared may think they ready, but sts has a way of stomping down on you with new elite content.

Point in case. Me and Zeus and Leo hit pt 3 first time together the day it was released. No less than 200 death at the boss the first run. We ain't rookies here. The men will be divided from the kids quickly.

[notfaded1]

Lol it'll be sight to see... What do mean my insta level 41, nekro, and arcane ring doesn't mean I win? lololol!

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[Edward Coug]

Yup. People who put up the time and or cash in game should be the sharks!!!!

It will be interesting to see how the new elites pan out. The newly geared may think they ready, but sts has a way of stomping down on you with new elite content.

Point in case. Me and Zeus and Leo hit pt 3 first time together the day it was released. No less than 200 death at the boss the first run. We ain't rookies here. The men will be divided from the kids quickly.

I'm with you on the difficulty. A lot of players don't want the new elites to be too hard. I love a good challenge. I loved running tombs when I was undergeared.

[Candylicks]

I'm with you on the difficulty. A lot of players don't want the new elites to be too hard. I love a good challenge. I loved running tombs when I was undergeared.
I'm both excited and scared. We taking these couple weeks to train up the guild.

Wonder if sts geared up the whole game to wipe us out with elites and an ankh fest. Lol.

[Candylicks]

This is off topic, but I just have to vent. I was farming for teeth last night, and it took me about 50 elite Wilds runs to get my last five teeth for a drag bar. The luck system just kills me sometimes. That's why I loved planar tombs so much.
Omg yup. That was my huge freaking beef to sts last season. The hard working people don't always get rewarded. Swear to god the drops goto the nubs!!!!.

I always thought that x amount of runs should get you x loot to a point. Not all the random.

[notfaded1]

I'm with you on the difficulty. A lot of players don't want the new elites to be too hard. I love a good challenge. I loved running tombs when I was undergeared.

Also why even have multi player if everyone has the same everything? At that point it might as well be you playing by yourself against the computer with ur scores uploaded to some top 10 list. Kinda like the high scores on a pinball machine I mean for real! Oh boy I'm number one double g the exact same thing as everyone else... OK it's ok but it's like atari 2600 gaming... The tanks all look the same.

[Candylicks]

For example I have run dailies xxx times and bought xxx orc crates. Zero runes.

I met someone in game that bought a single orc crate and looted a rune.

/facepalm

That kind of reward really burns the dedicated players eventually.

[notfaded1]

For example I have run dailies xxx times and bought xxx orc crates. Zero runes.

I met someone in game that bought a single orc crate and looted a rune.

/facepalm

That kind of reward really burns the dedicated players eventually.

Also free stuff being better than stuff u pay for... What kinda business logic is that? It's like giving everyone a new galaxy s6 then asking people to pay for a flip phone...???

Actually it's worse not only pay for the flip phone but also pay for 10 of the gs6 others get for free.

[Edward Coug]

Also free stuff being better than stuff u pay for... What kinda business logic is that? It's like giving everyone a new galaxy s6 then asking people to pay for a flip phone...???

That I don't agree with. The minute you can buy better gear with plat than you get from farming, it will be gg for the farmers. Even though I have the money to spend, I don't want to simply pay to win. It would be pointless for me. No reason to play.

[notfaded1]

It's a metaphor based on the assumption that a few large buyers are greater than many smaller buyers. Without seeing the company books, we have no idea. I think we should leave the economics of the STG to STG and concern ourselves with the economics of AL instead.

I better not respond to that lol... I'll get in trouble again...

For one thing anyone that knows me knows that's not at all what I meant.

No assumptions here... Also there used to be more than a few.

If u think this is gonna give AL another best mmorpg again I think ya need to check again.

It's really easy to be idealistic when you've got next to nothing. Also you don't get successful by giving everything away either.

Anyhow have a nice day!

[Edward Coug]

I better not respond to that lol... I'll get in trouble again...

Fade, I respect you and Candy. Let's just agree to disagree. We clearly all really like this game.

[Niixed]

Let's see, where to begin...

What is this argument really about? That arcane items should return to their previous price point? 20 -100 million for an arcane ring? That plat users should be the Dramatic Supreme Overlords of Arlor as they once were? Perhaps the argument is that there should be a very clear delineation between Ridiculously Super Rich Players Who Deserve Near-Constant Adulation and the lower and middle class players who should be worshiping them as before? Those unworthy peasants shouldn't have arcane items! DON'T WE HAVE STANDARDS ANYMORE? SHEESH, I'M TELLING YA.

I'm thankful STS is in control of their game and not some of the self-serving overly-wealthy players. However, let me be clear - many wealthy players have their heads screwed on straight and aren't freaking out that middle class players can suddenly afford pretty rings and undead dragon whelps. (Let's all panic about that for some reason! Um... no.)

Someone ought to google the term "concern troll (http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Concern_troll)." That's exactly what's going on here, imho.

What a lot of long-term players are failing to understand is this: The old model you remember and yearn for so very fondly was, frankly, unsustainable. That means if STS returned Arcane Legends to the world it was before it wouldn't be long before they'd go out of business. Also, if any of you concern trolls paid any attention to the mobile app industry, you'd know what happened with the Ren'gol expansion is an industry-wide trend and wasn't invented by STS just to foil your plans.

So, you're angry and upset and beside yourself that Arcane items are way more affordable... why? WHY? WHY?!?

Please do tell. Rapt attention and all that.

[Candylicks]

We all want the same thing. To invest either time or money here and be rewarded with the top tier gear. Who wants someone with 2 weeks of the game to have the same items that we do, the veterans of the game? Nobody, not Candy or Fade want exorbitant prices of reds .. NO WAY!!!!!!!!!!

We OK with awesome items being reasonably priced, Hallelujah. Just NOT FREE and NOT TO BRAND NEW players. You gotta earn your keep around here.

Y'all need to run with me and Fade in the game. We freaking haul some booty in elites, that's all we are about. <3

Give us elites StS. Bring them ON!

[Candylicks]

I missed the forums this week btw. Truly I did. It's really nice to see some spirited voices here all eager to make Arlor splendid again.

[Newcomx]

Yeah hey I run hard and I am here to perfect my toon and be an elite machine. That's the main thing. I do feel red items should be exclusive earned just like most of us do. Not redic money or luck to the point of frustration. Just you know, fun. Something we can all strive for and obtain and not by using nefarious methods.

We truly are in the same side, the stupid posts of arcane being crap now are beyond boring. Move on. Give us new stuff sts. We ready to rawr elites!!!

Yes to the idea of new stuff continuously! At least IMO every 3 months so that old stuff can be absorbed by the market before the new stuff released. That's will bring economy flowing and circulating.

[Newcomx]

I honestly feel sad about this game.
Shouldn't the rarity "Arcane" mean something like... -> ULTRA SPECIAL and UNIQUE?

I hate it when i enter Expedition Camp and 90% of this map.. are filled with Arcane Ring and Nekro users.
It will even get worse.
Arcane clearly isn't meant to be developed that everyone in this game has it.
Looks like it's time to add a new Rarity, above Arcane? lol.
"Arcane" seems like the new "Legendary", and "Legendary" is like.. "Common".

What do you guys think? Is it okay for you how it is now?
Nowadays, people get called noob because they cant afford Nekro/Arcane Ring.
Is it really meant to be like that?

I believe everyone can have the chance to owned an Arcane Gear or Egg is a good thing.
I don't know why some players bothered/upset by many players end-up owned Arcane Ring or Nekro if the can afford it.
Everyone maybe have the same gear or pet, but I believe also everyone have different play-style.
I believe in pve standpoint, if many players have the best gear, maybe the elite map back to live, because many players can run elite map because they have the appropriate gear, and compete for timed run with the other best pve players.
I believe in pvp standpoint, if the gear gap can be reduced, you'll will have more more competitive pvp. I their not skillfull enough, give it time, we're all once a newbie.