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Freakingud
08-24-2015, 05:49 AM
I dont get it and I suck against bears so badly.

Burningdex
08-24-2015, 06:02 AM
I dont get it and I suck against bears so badly.

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would u rather the bear moving? or would u rather the bear rooted, dodge debuffed and you can hit it from 13m? same benefiets as single root, useful in FFA cuz u can root 3 ppl and it has a delay so u can time it for after their beckon

:)

Waug
08-24-2015, 10:27 AM
Double root is required against bears not just for l56 only. It's another root, bears dodge is pretty high so before u use precious combo and skills u wanna make sure that it dont get dodged as far as possible.
If u use two roots before combo the chance is more that at least one root will hit enemy, if both roots hit then that should just be the end of it . This is the basic reason other than that, it has dmg per sec and can be used as another root as str chars may clr the effect by heal/stomp etc and u just use another to take em surprise and make em fool.

leme tell u few things as u kept saying us struggle to kills str, remember the fast finger and range? even if the enemy is rooted still u have pretty less time because the effective times of the root are very low so u have to deliver ur combo pretty fast otherwise u'll endup using ur combo when root was gone, if u aint fast enough try to reduce the size of ur combo, so that at least ur precious combo hit the enemy while rooted.

for example after root if u use brk shat blast and u do it not so fast, at the time of blast the enemy was not rooted either get faster or remove the brk from it, as fast u go, u'll deliver more skills even after shat blast after successful rooting and someday u'll be able to kill bears even without missing or no use of shattering screem but well that would take more time.

And then the range is another key, most the skills of bears are short ranged try to take benefit of it, if u still failing to get outta their becon u may do blind and repulse together at the time when they try to becon u, at very first most of the cases, so atleast one MAY hit if blind was hitted boom, u got ur chance if repulse was hitted then still ur safe and deliver ur combo, don't let em go after that.

ah this should end the golden era of lower level teddies :p, if not ask for more

Freakingud
08-25-2015, 01:47 PM
When should I use avian to free my self?

Groaning
08-25-2015, 01:49 PM
Who uses break? :O :O

D-:
08-25-2015, 02:55 PM
this the crap i come back to lmaoo

Iheybeautiful
08-25-2015, 03:32 PM
When should I use avian to free my self?

You've been bear for too long, bird isn't the class for u if u r asking about the basics go do bear.

iRandom
08-25-2015, 10:40 PM
this the crap i come back to lmaoo
One of a kind.

Waug
08-26-2015, 04:50 AM
Who uses break? :O :O

I'll answer the opposite.

Those dumb birds who don't know how to fully utilize his skills, does not use it.

anahadaz
08-26-2015, 06:25 AM
You're asking why is making bears easier to kill important?

Ignitedmage
08-26-2015, 10:12 AM
You've been bear for too long, bird isn't the class for u if u r asking about the basics go do bear.

Some one just tried to leave the class you all hate(idk why it is a class) and you're still discouraging him like wtf? really man didn't expected

Iheybeautiful
08-26-2015, 11:34 AM
Some one just tried to leave the class you all hate(idk why it is a class) and you're still discouraging him like wtf? really man didn't expected
Because there's no hope if he's asking when to avian scream and why wall root is even important.

Felicity
08-26-2015, 12:22 PM
Many players who play bear are clueless about the other classes, you use avian at the same time you'd use stomp or heal to get out of a stun, it's just common sense.

Iilhopeliliil
08-26-2015, 05:53 PM
When should I use avian to free my self?

5 avian clears stomp

Mothwing
08-26-2015, 08:04 PM
5 avian clears stomp

That wasn't his question lol.

You should use avian whenever you anticipate a stun coming. The timing can actually be very crucial and sometimes the determining factor as to if you lose the fight or not. If you can get better at timing your avian perfectly you'll be a much better bird. I suggest recognizing the skills that stun/freeze/root and using avian right before they hit you. That way you can evade the root and still maintain the maximum distance from your opponent. If you use it too late, it will slow you down just enough for them to combo you.

I would also suggest saving repulse for after avian, that way you have an escape route if you mis-time avian.

iRandom
08-26-2015, 11:32 PM
I haven't tried this (since I tend to kitexkite -like a nub according to bears-), but does Avian still take effect even if the bear dodges. I'm assuming it does.

For anyone wondering why I can't test this. "I have no friends." ~ xxxxxxx

Mothwing
08-26-2015, 11:40 PM
I haven't tried this (since I tend to kitexkite -like a nub according to bears-), but does Avian still take effect even if the bear dodges. I'm assuming it does.

For anyone wondering why I can't test this. "I have no friends." ~ xxxxxxx

The effect is sort of like a self buff (I believe) so it always takes effect on yourself. However the knockback+stun does depend on hit% and dodge.

I've personally never had it fail from getting me out of a stun/root/freeze.

Freakingud
08-27-2015, 02:31 AM
I meant when should you time avian. Ty moth.

Waug
08-27-2015, 06:18 AM
I haven't tried this (since I tend to kitexkite -like a nub according to bears-), but does Avian still take effect even if the bear dodges. I'm assuming it does.

For anyone wondering why I can't test this. "I have no friends." ~ xxxxxxx

self effect of avain has nothing to do with enemies just like self heal nothing to do with enemies.

Ignitedmage
08-27-2015, 10:25 AM
Because there's no hope if he's asking when to avian scream and why wall root is even important.

Well if you guys help him or he pay a little focus there is hope

Felicity
08-27-2015, 10:40 AM
Well if you guys help him or he pay a little focus there is hope

At least there's hope for one of you.

Iheybeautiful
08-27-2015, 12:57 PM
Well if you guys help him or he pay a little focus there is hope
Well if you want him to play bird that badly why don't you help him? Personally I think there's no hope if you think there is you help him.

Freakingud
08-27-2015, 02:35 PM
Thanks for ur amazing support lol. Helped me out so much.

Groaning
08-27-2015, 03:04 PM
rush everyone till you learn
sneaky said that somewhere
works too :D

Ignitedmage
08-28-2015, 03:30 AM
Well if you want him to play bird that badly why don't you help him? Personally I think there's no hope if you think there is you help him.

I would if i knew bird but am only used to bears and mages

@Felicity If you aren't playing PL don't take out bad points about me, you just saying i am a bear and i suck however i play mage now more then bear but you don't realise that
Better you stay quite

Felicity
08-28-2015, 11:15 AM
I would if i knew bird but am only used to bears and mages

@Felicity If you aren't playing PL don't take out bad points about me, you just saying i am a bear and i suck however i play mage now more then bear but you don't realise that
Better you stay quite

You didn't understand one thing about my post. Lol.

frat
08-28-2015, 02:12 PM
Thorn wall and thorn root are very important to root bears and lower their dodge. If you need help with 56 bird i can help you out.

Freakingud
09-02-2015, 07:58 AM
I doubt 56 is good for birds.

anahadaz
09-02-2015, 08:01 AM
I doubt 56 is good for birds.

Lol you have one

Iheybeautiful
09-02-2015, 12:26 PM
I doubt 56 is good for birds.
You being bad at it doesn't mean that it isn't a good level for birds.

Ignitedmage
09-03-2015, 09:02 AM
I doubt 56 is good for birds.

bird only sucks at l81 because str gears have 99589389638669373969737896539938696896589798868686 % dodge there so there all hits(especially blind) goes to waste

Burningdex
09-04-2015, 02:19 AM
I doubt 56 is good for birds.

Imo 56 & 61 are the best levels for birds....

Groaning
09-09-2015, 05:11 PM
Imo 56 & 61 are the best levels for birds....

i have to disagree L56 yes L61 no as sang/demo is outclassed by lilith and orlok

if you have l66 angel it is quite viable very very dodgy

my personal favorites are 17,51,56

although 56 is the best level for bird

Befs
09-09-2015, 08:32 PM
i have to disagree L56 yes L61 no as sang/demo is outclassed by lilith and orlok

if you have l66 angel it is quite viable very very dodgy

my personal favorites are 17,51,56

although 56 is the best level for bird

66 angel bird is strong and tanky from dodge, however with str characters and most mages it feels like you're water trying to erode a rock away slowly over tons of time.

Befs
09-09-2015, 08:34 PM
bird only sucks at l81 because str gears have 99589389638669373969737896539938696896589798868686 % dodge there so there all hits(especially blind) goes to waste

Blind wouldn't go to waste, because it affects hit, not dodge. They are 2 seperate variables and blind is actually great because str bears generally have lower hit and if u can take 1/3 + of it then it gives you a great advantage.

Waug
09-09-2015, 10:35 PM
Blind wouldn't go to waste, because it affects hit, not dodge. They are 2 seperate variables and blind is actually great because str bears generally have lower hit and if u can take 1/3 + of it then it gives you a great advantage.

It would, not only blind but everything else too, cuz it would get dodged in the first place. but king it would not take bazzolion dodge, only 100.

Groaning
09-10-2015, 06:21 AM
doesn't blind and breaks side effects happened even when someone dodges?

Waug
09-10-2015, 08:06 AM
by side effect if u mean visual effect it happens for brk, but not the proc neither damage, may be devs didn't intended it, if so, its a bug that devs never fixed.

Groaning
09-10-2015, 02:33 PM
by side effect if u mean visual effect it happens for brk, but not the proc neither damage, may be devs didn't intended it, if so, its a bug that devs never fixed.


So the blind still applies but just not break?

Waug
09-10-2015, 08:41 PM
no.
yu asking the question that I already answered, lol

Befs
09-10-2015, 08:43 PM
It would, not only blind but everything else too, cuz it would get dodged in the first place. but king it would not take bazzolion dodge, only 100.

I was interpreting what he said as the skill had already hit, but through your logic technically everything would be wasted

Waug
09-11-2015, 12:16 AM
I was interpreting what he said as the skill had already hit,

how the skill would hit, if it get dodged by the enemy for sure?