chaos jewel and para stone

[Cursebaby]

hii guys, just wanna know if chaos jewels work the same way as para stone? cuz to me, its just like para stone only para is better. thanks in advance!

[Froxanthar]

I dont think so because Paracelsus Stone gives 30+ extra more dmg/dps when you equip it.

[Xorrior]

Para is way better.

[Gabrielcabral]

Yes we cant miss up the para stone efect... para stone also reach 2.0 damage and not even the best chaos reach this damage... para gem 2x0

[Cursebaby]

Para is way better.

actually what i want to know is, for example, weak chaos it stated +0.78dmg..lvl9 btw..so will it just add 0.78dmg or will it add more?

[bonjovi3223]

I dont think so because Paracelsus Stone gives 30+ extra more dmg/dps when you equip it.
As far as I know....it is 7.5...not 30.

[Wazakesy]

As far as I know....it is 7.5...not 30.

7.5 is base damage. The damage further gets amplified depending on your Bonus DMG %.

[bonjovi3223]

7.5 is base damage. The damage further gets amplified depending on your Bonus DMG %.
Exactly bro....
My point here is that the community has been misled by every one thinking para is 30 dmg. More then half the ppl do not know what the dmg% modifier is. Most ppl just look at the "+green color dmg" number in order to make their gear purchase decisions.
And that is why i always tell ppl para is +7.5 dmg & not ~30.
On a separate note...does this mean noble is stronger then para, even if para scales up? Noble will add ~8dmg plus bonus dmg% also.

[bonjovi3223]

About the chaos jewel...
The real numbers of dmg added are not really known, or those who know have not revealed them.
I say this because I have seen screen shots of 0.78chaos adding more then 0.78 dmg. This is just a example.
I could be wrong because the person could have been under other buffs during the ss.

[Cursebaby]

So for a twink is it good to have 1para1eye8fortichaos?

[Kakashis]

for myself at endgame, I just go one para item and then using some chaos jewels for the rest of it just because para gems can't be removed and the additional are 2.0 damage which isn't too far off from a noble chaos. For twinking at lower level, nothing can take the place of para gems simply because weak chaos jewels don't even come close

[xutreuqux]

First para=7.5 dmg × bonus dmg
Next paras=2 dmg x bonus dmg
Noble chaos=1.68 × bonus dmg
So u can simulate first para by using 5 noble chaos [emoji14] but if u alrdy have first para, using 2 standard chaos will give same effect as adding another para

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[Cursebaby]

Im doing lvl16 so ill be getting 1 para 1 eye for bonus crit 2 grand fire 6 forti chaos is it good?

[-no]

Im doing lvl16 so ill be getting 1 para 1 eye for bonus crit 2 grand fire 6 forti chaos is it good?

You will be low hp, and die a lot. And your crit will be low.

[Cursebaby]

You will be low hp, and die a lot. And your crit will be low.
Not if my dmg is over 200 plus nekro

[tharidom]

So for a twink is it good to have 1para1eye8fortichaos?

That would be a horrible build for a rogue.

[Wazakesy]

Exactly bro....
My point here is that the community has been misled by every one thinking para is 30 dmg. More then half the ppl do not know what the dmg% modifier is. Most ppl just look at the "+green color dmg" number in order to make their gear purchase decisions.
And that is why i always tell ppl para is +7.5 dmg & not ~30.
On a separate note...does this mean noble is stronger then para, even if para scales up? Noble will add ~8dmg plus bonus dmg% also.

Well, You said 7.5 with the forumer's quote which was talking about damage/dps - anyone could interpret it as raw damage and not base damage. Base damage is the damage that gets amplified by the BD%. That was the point I was trying to make, ,I may have been vague which I realized after reading your quote-response.

[Cursebaby]

That would be a horrible build for a rogue.

Thanks for the encouragement!! Appreciate it much :3

[ericarsenic]

Thanks for the encouragement!! Appreciate it much :3

Get 3-4 nature, u will be more pro than 8 chaos build
My lv12 rogue use:
1 para, 1 eye, 2 finese, 2 nature, 4 chaos, 1 diamond
Yes thats 11 slot cuz i use mythic ring
And i use eerie for crit, but lower armor forced me to get 1 diamond

Hope u can imagine how to set up rogue's twink build
And yes u dont need a lot of finese if u have eerie amulet

[Aimanxasuna]

I hope this helps:

1st para gem = 2 dmg + 5 'hidden' dmg (7 dmg in total)
Each para after that = 2 dmg each
Chaos jewel = their respective dmg i.e. crack 0.42, damaged 0.60, weak 0.78 and so forth

To calculate the actual damage increase:

Para/chaos dmg X your character's Bonus Damage (in decimal form) = Actual Damage Increase

Example 1st para:
7 dmg X 4.5 (if your bonus damage is 450%) = 31.5 actual damage *thats why most people say 1st para gives them 30+ damage, because most of them have about 430%+ bonus damage

2nd para:
2 dmg X 4.5 (if your bonus damage is 450%) = 9 actual damage

Weak chaos:
0.78 x 4.5 (if your bonus damsge is 450%) = 3.51 actual damage

Well, all of that are based on my trial and error calculations.

Cheers :)

p/s: About the 1st para, some people says the total damage is 7.5, I calculate it as 7 because that's how i remember it. Correct me if i'm wrong.

[Cursebaby]

Get 3-4 nature, u will be more pro than 8 chaos build
My lv12 rogue use:
1 para, 1 eye, 2 finese, 2 nature, 4 chaos, 1 diamond
Yes thats 11 slot cuz i use mythic ring
And i use eerie for crit, but lower armor forced me to get 1 diamond

Hope u can imagine how to set up rogue's twink build
And yes u dont need a lot of finese if u have eerie amulet
At lvl16 tarlok heart is much better for the armor bonus though so maybe ill do 1 para 1 eye 4 nature 2 chaos 2 grand tarlok

[Cursebaby]

I hope this helps:

1st para gem = 2 dmg + 5 'hidden' dmg (7 dmg in total)
Each para after that = 2 dmg each
Chaos jewel = their respective dmg i.e. crack 0.42, damaged 0.60, weak 0.78 and so forth

To calculate the actual damage increase:

Para/chaos dmg X your character's Bonus Damage (in decimal form) = Actual Damage Increase

Example 1st para:
7 dmg X 4.5 (if your bonus damage is 450%) = 31.5 actual damage *thats why most people say 1st para gives them 30+ damage, because most of them have about 430%+ bonus damage

2nd para:
2 dmg X 4.5 (if your bonus damage is 450%) = 9 actual damage

Weak chaos:
0.78 x 4.5 (if your bonus damsge is 450%) = 3.51 actual damage

Well, all of that are based on my trial and error calculations.

Cheers :)

p/s: About the 1st para, some people says the total damage is 7.5, I calculate it as 7 because that's how i remember it. Correct me if i'm wrong.

Thx for the info hun its much appreciated!! :D

[epicrrr]

Im doing lvl16 so ill be getting 1 para 1 eye for bonus crit 2 grand fire 6 forti chaos is it good?

fin fury and mind, + prim stats actually give a little hp, if not mistaken rog +1 prim stat = 5 hp so thats 20 for standard and +1.5-2dmg while stan chaos gives +2.5-3 dmg.

@topic noble or superb looks insane to get but 1 noble = 1 para. (2nd para, your 1 para will give +7 dmg)

[ericarsenic]

Doubt any twink uses noble at level 10-20 XD

Everything epicr said is correct, getting chaos jewels as a twink seems a waste to me, eyes and paras are tons better.

If you can't afford a second para(first is a must) get nature jewels or finesse jewels wasting slots on anything else is just foolhardy...


about using chaos on twink rogue, i would dominantly use finesse if i only have 10 jewel slots, but when u got mythic ring, u get 11 slots, thats honestly a big difference.

[Cursebaby]

about using chaos on twink rogue, i would dominantly use finesse if i only have 10 jewel slots, but when u got mythic ring, u get 11 slots, thats honestly a big difference.
Mythic ring pot lv16 is rare as hell tho

[Zylx]

I think many players misunderstood the intent behind transitioning to the jewel system. The gems offered too much and caused a widened gear gap between rich and poor. Jewels were put in place to shorten the gear gap not only by adding lower tiers of upgrades, but also to step back away from the overpowering gems. The jewels were not meant to overcome gems in terms of stats.

[Cursebaby]

Nott ifu know the right ppl^_^

Just gotta keep looking!!!

Got a vigo pot in replace ^^

[aldypadang]

I'd prefer Fortified Finesse instead of Chaos.
Fortified finesse gives damage(lower than chaos ofc),crit,and HP
Fortified chaos only gives damage that means if you use it too many your HP&crit will b suck.
Btw im selling myth ring pot lv16 pm me if you interested :P

[Cursebaby]

I'd prefer Fortified Finesse instead of Chaos.
Fortified finesse gives damage(lower than chaos ofc),crit,and HP
Fortified chaos only gives damage that means if you use it too many your HP&crit will b suck.
Btw im selling myth ring pot lv16 pm me if you interested :P

Firstly, fortified finesse is crap i swear grand tarlok wind is so much better than it, idk why 5dex to 3dex2int the 3.2 is much better? Lmao sts xd
And secondly, goodjob windy i just got my vigo pot now u come and tell me u sell mythic ring...:( is it clean? If clean, how much? Or not clean how much also?

[xclyklcx]

Standard chaos jewel is 0.89 dmg + bonus dmg %

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[Edward Coug]

Firstly, fortified finesse is crap i swear grand tarlok wind is so much better than it, idk why 5dex to 3dex2int the 3.2 is much better? Lmao sts xd
And secondly, goodjob windy i just got my vigo pot now u come and tell me u sell mythic ring...:( is it clean? If clean, how much? Or not clean how much also?

You are giving the stats for regular Tarlok wind. Grand Tarlok is better than a fortified finesse.

Fortified finess = 5 dex

Regular Tarlok wind = 3 dex 2 int

Grand Tarlok wind = 6 dex 4 wind

[Edward Coug]

Probably talking about grand tarlok at the twink level he's playing at :P

Notice how he's talking about fortified finesse and nott noble finesse?: P

You're right. Ignore my comment. I assumed he was an end-gamer on a budget.

[nightmaresmoke]

Anyone knows someone selling 1 para?? how much for 1 para? i want them shiny bling2 on my rogue's arc ring lol
*trusted para transaction*

[Zuma Wheelzz]

I just hope they bring para again because we need them for this new level and the next expantion coming in

[Cursebaby]

Elitewarrio is selling a para gem with insurance and no plat finish in the traders market section!

I would say a para gem costs anywhere between 10-13m without plat finish

Can we loot para stone from sack of jewels? Haha

[nightmaresmoke]

Elitewarrio is selling a para gem with insurance and no plat finish in the traders market section!

I would say a para gem costs anywhere between 10-13m without plat finish

Starting to save now for 10m up goal for 2016 haha