Scaling of Old Gems

[Justno]

I know many people had answered this already but I would like a devs confirmation on this before I make any more big investments; will the old gems (e.g. Fire) scale up to 56 cap, as they did in this expansion.
There's nothing wrong with scaling these gems as there is a limited supply already and they can't be removed like jewels can so once you use it, it's gone. Price will only go up until farming jewels is the preferred source of upgrading items. I just want confirmation on the fact that they will be scaling up!

[Saud]

yes plaese i still have many gems and I don't know if they going to be scaled or not

[Zylx]

Eyes and paras should be a no

Fire/glac/bloods are matched with jewels so their existence doesnt matter.

[Morholt]

They've always scaled up, so I don't see why they wouldn't.
They're adding a higher level of jewels, too, so they'll be pretty on par with each other still.

[Zylx]

They've always scaled up, so I don't see why they wouldn't.
They're adding a higher level of jewels, too, so they'll be pretty on par with each other still.

A higher level? Lmao, something that would take 3 nobles? That's not even necessary.

[Dex_addict]

A higher level? Lmao, something that would take 3 nobles? That's not even necessary.

Yes but all the same it is happening lol, crazy right!

It would be great to know if the gems will scale, although I am not sure if we will find out before expansion :/

[eugene9707]

I hope it doesnt scale (or else defeats the purpose of the jewel system)

But to be completely honest, i think it will..... They have the program written so that the stats provided is proportional to the level of the item , unless they decide to spend time and re-write the program, then it'll continue to scale.

[Justno]

I hope they do scale lol their only downfall is they can't be removed, therefore they should be scaled anyway imo

[Morholt]

A higher level? Lmao, something that would take 3 nobles? That's not even necessary.Yea, it was stated in the weekly post by Remiem; but the jewels will be much more accessible. Chaos, mind, fury, and finesse jewels will be dropping from more maps today, along with less water & nature drops.
Plus, keep in mind how easy the Trindin & Garetta maps will be at the 56 cap. It'll then be easy to run through and farm jewels.



I hope it doesnt scale (or else defeats the purpose of the jewel system)Not really. The purpose of the jewel system was to have guaranteed stats from a socket. As it stands, a regular gem is weaker than the higher jewels. And for you to get a grand gem, the noble still has 1 more stat. With a higher tier of jewel coming up, the grand gem will probably be equal with +9 at 56. Only a grand Tarlok gem will be a real maxed out alternative.

And keep in mind...the gems are a finite resource. There are only so many left over. And I have personally tried 34 attempts on a helm before getting a single grand gem on it. That's over 250 hours of crafting time! Over 10 straight days! I'm not the only one to suffer through 30+ attempts. It happens. 30 gems now? That's 3 million gold, give or take. And as a handful of gems are used up, the price of them go up and up as the supply dwindles.

As for reinforced gems are very scarce as is, and the defense they add is pretty minimal...you'd need many grand ones to have a difference. If someone wanted to spend 15 million gold to get all grand reinforced gems in their 56 gear...let them waste their time & gold. lol If they want to spend that much gold, the deserve the slight edge. Not to mention only like 3 people could actually accomplish this before the supply runs out.

So, the gems have no real effect on the jewels.

[konafez]

More jewels dropping??

Ugh that's going to kill prices, 90% of my in game income is based on farming and selling jewels..

Way to put me out of work Sts! Now how am I going to afford my cake...

Konofefez...the un employed warrior

(Note to mods, this is more for humor and is not a rant)

[Justno]

Indeed ^^ agreed with most of the comments so far! All the gems will eventually "fade away" just like that paras and eyes..supposedly...and look at their prices..they are insanely expensive right now

[will0]

all gems should not be scale due to new jewels ... irregardless eyes or para they are over price people hog it during the release i am aware some people still owns alot of it and merching it or make it un-tradable.

[konafez]

(Stands in Garretta holding a sign ) will work for cake

[konafez]

(stands besides kona holding a sign) feed me too im kona's pet lmao ♥

Lol , yes feed rain too!

[konafez]

147559

See , its started already!

[Kingofninjas]

How many do u have stashed? @op

[Edward Coug]

The closer we get to the expansion without an announcement clarifying the future status of gems, the less likely it is that they will no longer be socketable. If they are still socketable, they will very likely still scale.

That said, there are safer, more lucrative investments.

[Veenihiv]

A higher level? Lmao, something that would take 3 nobles? That's not even necessary.

It is said in Weekly update

[konafez]

King ...I will never tel! ..

Rain..its OK, I would share my cake

[eugene9707]

Yea, it was stated in the weekly post by Remiem; but the jewels will be much more accessible. Chaos, mind, fury, and finesse jewels will be dropping from more maps today, along with less water & nature drops.
Plus, keep in mind how easy the Trindin & Garetta maps will be at the 56 cap. It'll then be easy to run through and farm jewels.


Not really. The purpose of the jewel system was to have guaranteed stats from a socket. As it stands, a regular gem is weaker than the higher jewels. And for you to get a grand gem, the noble still has 1 more stat. With a higher tier of jewel coming up, the grand gem will probably be equal with +9 at 56. Only a grand Tarlok gem will be a real maxed out alternative.

And keep in mind...the gems are a finite resource. There are only so many left over. And I have personally tried 34 attempts on a helm before getting a single grand gem on it. That's over 250 hours of crafting time! Over 10 straight days! I'm not the only one to suffer through 30+ attempts. It happens. 30 gems now? That's 3 million gold, give or take. And as a handful of gems are used up, the price of them go up and up as the supply dwindles.

As for reinforced gems are very scarce as is, and the defense they add is pretty minimal...you'd need many grand ones to have a difference. If someone wanted to spend 15 million gold to get all grand reinforced gems in their 56 gear...let them waste their time & gold. lol If they want to spend that much gold, the deserve the slight edge. Not to mention only like 3 people could actually accomplish this before the supply runs out.

So, the gems have no real effect on the jewels.

ah, my comment also includes eyes as well

but side note though , the jewel price (and effort )will increase at the factor of 3 for every tire, while gems price is static (as it is not stats dependent). so gems will get better in time and no effort required (just have to hoard it). where for jewels you need to put a lot more effort effort to achieve the same , even just for normal, non-grand gems

[Justno]

How many do u have stashed? @op

Enough to make me reasonably wealthy or extremely poor if the price drops lol

[Justno]

ah, my comment also includes eyes as well

but side note though , the jewel price (and effort )will increase at the factor of 3 for every tire, while gems price is static (as it is not stats dependent). so gems will get better in time and no effort required (just have to hoard it). where for jewels you need to put a lot more effort effort to achieve the same , even just for normal, non-grand gems

But more and more people will be farming jewels, that's more and more jewels every single day..eventually the price will drop, but the top few jewels are always going to be for the rich people - like paras and eyes. Plus, they can be removed for a small cost; whereas gems, cannot. The gem supply will run out over time, if people are saying ohh they are too good and stuff then people are going to use them instead of jewels, since they can't be removed - that's more gems gone from the economy.
Look at the paras, Ik there's gonna be hoarders but how often do you see someone selling one now?? Hardly at all...maybe two or three a week at the most..gems will eventually become like this..which is when jewels will come in handy!

[Mdy]

It has been seasons the old gems are scaled to level..hope they do again for the upcoming expansion.

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[Morholt]

ah, my comment also includes eyes as well

but side note though , the jewel price (and effort )will increase at the factor of 3 for every tire, while gems price is static (as it is not stats dependent). so gems will get better in time and no effort required (just have to hoard it). where for jewels you need to put a lot more effort effort to achieve the same , even just for normal, non-grand gemsOh, I look at eyes as a whole nother socketable & issue/debate within the game. They'll scale, but it isn't like people will be able to socket 3x into all their items. If they stay at +3 int/dex/str, then only the crit will be an impact/advantage. For warriors, +27 str is likely far more appealing than +9 all. Is +3.75 or so worth 18 str to warriors? Especially at the price? Mages of course would best enjoy them, but they're also the least played class. Will rogues really need that much more crit? After all the dex they have, the crit on their gear, passive crit, a pet, and firing 1 aimed shot...they'll be pretty close to 100% crit before any eyes. So then they have the choice of more damage, or more life & mana...at a very high price for life & mana.


Anywho, yes, jewels are a bit more labor intensive (currently), but you also guarantee what you get. The gems do get slightly better over time, but if you look at the market, the price of jewels do appear to dictate the price of gems, so gems can't really go up in price due to time related power increase.
At 46: a normal gem is a standard jewel. If you check the market, the gems are currently worth less gold, but not by too much. A little surprising, considering the upside chance of getting a grand gem. If your goal is for all grand gems, you're essentially looking at superb jewels. If you say your odds are 1/30 at a grand, the cost of 30 gems (if you buy them all at a now price) is around the same as the superb jewel (note: the current demand for rogue items makes high finesse jewels slightly higher at this time). And if you trying to grand gem your gear...if you go 1/30...that is 240 hours a slot. Meanwhile, you could've spent roughly the same gold for a superb and wasted only 8 hours.

Why are gems slightly cheaper than the standards? Two reasons. (1) you can remove them and later upgrade. As a result, you can get a 'return' from your 'investment.' They still have future value of you use them. (2) the gems are only competitive at these end game levels. A superb (+7) is level 25. A grand gem at 25 adds...5, if I recall correctly? With how booming the twink market is, it is understandable that the gem options are actually cheaper thanks to demand being for jewels.

"But what about next expansion? The grand gems might be +9, like the new highest jewel tier. How will the market play out? Won't the gems auto go up in price due to upgrade bonuses?"

Good questions. Short answer: not likely. As we see, the gem prices are dictated by jewel prices. And yes, the 56 gems will likely be +5 for a normal, thus bumping it up to the power of a fortified. But again, that's only at the 56 cap. No other level, and that gem can't be transferred from an old item and into a new one like the jewels can be. The price of fortified gems will be dropping soon. Again, due to recent changes in farming them plus the ease of farming those maps at 56.

But there are more reasons than that alone for the price of jewels to go down. (big marching tip about to come up!) There will be something of a niche market. There already is, but it'll be bigger next expansion: buying up outdated, bad, and/or unwanted items that already have jewels in them. You can occasionally see 10-20k worth of jewels in items being sold for 2-5k in auction. Remove the jewels and they're back in circulation. All the old jewels are going to be yanked out of old items and upgraded into higher ones.

Why did you guys think they were releasing the next tier of jewels? To not be outdone by jewels? Nope. If they didn't, then noble jewels would become the stagnant 'joy' that was the upgraded mythic set. What do I mean? Once a player has all noble jewels in their gear...they'll always have noble jewels in their gear, at worst. All they have to do is transfer them over into the latest and newest item. It is that simple. Gems, though? You can't do that. Their supply is limited and they can only be used one time. Jewels, though, are continuously having the supply increased and can be continuously recycled.

With the vastly increased drops next season and recycling, all of the super rich will be rocking full max jewels in their gear. And this also effects the price of jewels. Once the highest demanders & spenders have theirs, the next level of buyers won't be willing to pay as much, as it is with pretty much every item.

For all of these reasons, the standard & fortified jewels will drop in price, thus dropping the price of gems. The gems may raise slightly compared to their current price (similar to a standard), but not to the price of a current fortified, as the price of fortified jewels will be declining all next season. How much will they decline? That's to play out in the market. Maybe 20% decline...maybe 67% (which would mean the fortified would be the value of a current standard).

In conclusion, the regular gems aren't an issue for the jewels. Reinforced gems barely exist. Tarlok gems are the wild card, though. Just how many are still out there? And just how much will they add at 56? Although most warriors will elect to use pure strength sockets over rage gems. Wind and wisdom gems have solid benefits for rogues and mages. Maybe enough for them to both want half grand Tarlok & half high jewels. But...good luck affording and finding the number of Tarlok gems needed for half your gear being grand Tarlok. And, even if the Tarlok gems end up being a better over all choice over jewels, they'll still be only be one time uses. Many will elect for the slightly less effective high jewels, so that they won't have to blow another 30 million on grand gems at the 61 cap.

Also, it would be helpful for the economy if gems scaled up. People will be more likely to list them in auction (due to demand/interest) and those high listing fees help drain out extra gold in the system. The poorer everyone else becomes, the richer you become. :D I'm always for preventing inflation. I don't want to see 150 mil items again.

[Justno]

Oh, I look at eyes as a whole nother socketable & issue/debate within the game. They'll scale, but it isn't like people will be able to socket 3x into all their items. If they stay at +3 int/dex/str, then only the crit will be an impact/advantage. For warriors, +27 str is likely far more appealing than +9 all. Is +3.75 or so worth 18 str to warriors? Especially at the price? Mages of course would best enjoy them, but they're also the least played class. Will rogues really need that much more crit? After all the dex they have, the crit on their gear, passive crit, a pet, and firing 1 aimed shot...they'll be pretty close to 100% crit before any eyes. So then they have the choice of more damage, or more life & mana...at a very high price for life & mana.


Anywho, yes, jewels are a bit more labor intensive (currently), but you also guarantee what you get. The gems do get slightly better over time, but if you look at the market, the price of jewels do appear to dictate the price of gems, so gems can't really go up in price due to time related power increase.
At 46: a normal gem is a standard jewel. If you check the market, the gems are currently worth less gold, but not by too much. A little surprising, considering the upside chance of getting a grand gem. If your goal is for all grand gems, you're essentially looking at superb jewels. If you say your odds are 1/30 at a grand, the cost of 30 gems (if you buy them all at a now price) is around the same as the superb jewel (note: the current demand for rogue items makes high finesse jewels slightly higher at this time). And if you trying to grand gem your gear...if you go 1/30...that is 240 hours a slot. Meanwhile, you could've spent roughly the same gold for a superb and wasted only 8 hours.

Why are gems slightly cheaper than the standards? Two reasons. (1) you can remove them and later upgrade. As a result, you can get a 'return' from your 'investment.' They still have future value of you use them. (2) the gems are only competitive at these end game levels. A superb (+7) is level 25. A grand gem at 25 adds...5, if I recall correctly? With how booming the twink market is, it is understandable that the gem options are actually cheaper thanks to demand being for jewels.

"But what about next expansion? The grand gems might be +9, like the new highest jewel tier. How will the market play out? Won't the gems auto go up in price due to upgrade bonuses?"

Good questions. Short answer: not likely. As we see, the gem prices are dictated by jewel prices. And yes, the 56 gems will likely be +5 for a normal, thus bumping it up to the power of a fortified. But again, that's only at the 56 cap. No other level, and that gem can't be transferred from an old item and into a new one like the jewels can be. The price of fortified gems will be dropping soon. Again, due to recent changes in farming them plus the ease of farming those maps at 56.

But there are more reasons than that alone for the price of jewels to go down. (big marching tip about to come up!) There will be something of a niche market. There already is, but it'll be bigger next expansion: buying up outdated, bad, and/or unwanted items that already have jewels in them. You can occasionally see 10-20k worth of jewels in items being sold for 2-5k in auction. Remove the jewels and they're back in circulation. All the old jewels are going to be yanked out of old items and upgraded into higher ones.

Why did you guys think they were releasing the next tier of jewels? To not be outdone by jewels? Nope. If they didn't, then noble jewels would become the stagnant 'joy' that was the upgraded mythic set. What do I mean? Once a player has all noble jewels in their gear...they'll always have noble jewels in their gear, at worst. All they have to do is transfer them over into the latest and newest item. It is that simple. Gems, though? You can't do that. Their supply is limited and they can only be used one time. Jewels, though, are continuously having the supply increased and can be continuously recycled.

With the vastly increased drops next season and recycling, all of the super rich will be rocking full max jewels in their gear. And this also effects the price of jewels. Once the highest demanders & spenders have theirs, the next level of buyers won't be willing to pay as much, as it is with pretty much every item.

For all of these reasons, the standard & fortified jewels will drop in price, thus dropping the price of gems. The gems may raise slightly compared to their current price (similar to a standard), but not to the price of a current fortified, as the price of fortified jewels will be declining all next season. How much will they decline? That's to play out in the market. Maybe 20% decline...maybe 67% (which would mean the fortified would be the value of a current standard).

In conclusion, the regular gems aren't an issue for the jewels. Reinforced gems barely exist. Tarlok gems are the wild card, though. Just how many are still out there? And just how much will they add at 56? Although most warriors will elect to use pure strength sockets over rage gems. Wind and wisdom gems have solid benefits for rogues and mages. Maybe enough for them to both want half grand Tarlok & half high jewels. But...good luck affording and finding the number of Tarlok gems needed for half your gear being grand Tarlok. And, even if the Tarlok gems end up being a better over all choice over jewels, they'll still be only be one time uses. Many will elect for the slightly less effective high jewels, so that they won't have to blow another 30 million on grand gems at the 61 cap.

Also, it would be helpful for the economy if gems scaled up. People will be more likely to list them in auction (due to demand/interest) and those high listing fees help drain out extra gold in the system. The poorer everyone else becomes, the richer you become. :D I'm always for preventing inflation. I don't want to see 150 mil items again.

Totally lol

Btw i would still like a Dev/mod to confirm this ?

[Justno]

Dam the weekend lol have to wait till Monday now :/

[Ebezaanec]

Having a dev confirmation now makes no difference than having it at expansion time. Doing it now simply hastens the process essentially. People would make big money now while others would lose big money. The same would happen come expansion time if STG didn't give a confirmation.

My point? If STG said yes right now, then you made gold. If they didn't, you would lose gold. What's the difference if they do it in a several months?

[Justno]

If you gonna scale gems its gonna be 5-6 stat with non grand version so why on eath do we farm jewels?
Scaling a disconinued item is by itself a riddiculus idea its discontinued it should stay as it is when they got abandoned.

you are making game harder and harder for new players you offering them to farm jewels yet gems gonna give 5 stat I dont see the logic there
enough giving reward to people who hoarded 2k worth of gems already

So what? Many discontinued things are carried on...hmmm
Heraldics? Why not just delete them all from the game ? They are discontinue but continue to circulate and are always on the market...let's remove all of them from the game!
No...same priciple...different item...

[Ebezaanec]

So what? Many discontinued things are carried on...hmmm
Heraldics? Why not just delete them all from the game ? They are discontinue but continue to circulate and are always on the market...let's remove all of them from the game!
No...same priciple...different item...

A heraldic or tabard or crier does NOT have the same effect on gameplay as gems do. They are nothing more than vanities. So not quite the same principle.

[Justno]

I wasnt gonna reply this thread but your reply tempted me to do so

"so what" eh? you explicitly said you hoarded so much, enough to make you wealty or poor and now, you are ranting here for your personal gain.

Now you give example of heraldic? tell me how does heraldics or rare vanities are game changing? they are vanities! Same principle different item? I dont know even know what to say on this, where to begin.. Do you hear what you are saying man honestly?

This is about my personal gain, all your doing is saying you want jewels to be OP and so only you can get them - therefore you in fact are doing this for YOUR personal gain. If gems don't scale, they will be almost useless so jewels prices will shoot up. Only the people with money (like yourself [small bit]) will be able to afford them. Again, widening the gap between rich and poor.