[Feedback] Rogue Armor

[sidkhanna15]

See for ur self when u talk of pve u talk of elites. You can solo elites , you earn easy by farming arena , you got high damage(because of crit). These things are impossible for warrior and mages.

[oekeone]

good day everyone

I want to discuss this armor nerf thing which is really annoying

Some says that rouges became tanky how come if rouges used to get 1 hit by bosses and mini bosses ... well thank you now rouges dies from a normal mob hit ( talking about elite maps )

Thats a short thing about pve


Lets get it to pvp

Lately rouges got nerfed in pvp by damage and tanks didnt

This season tanks got a really ammmazong weapon which made the rule pvp same for mages unlike rouges daggers which totally sucks

From my sight i dont think that armor nerf was needed cause tanks had jug buffed and mages got shield buffed so that made them way better and made balance and both got nice weapons and damage

So for rouges to handle the jug and arcane sword proc they need that armor back cause now its really funny proc and in 5 sec rouge is dead

Same for mages with rouge 1hit lol they have over 1.1k damage i dont think that 1.6k armor can handle 1 combo from a mage



Well myself is a rouge and i have a tank (using my tank after this nerf lol )


Well again good day everyone and nice to share stuff with you

Hoping sts would fix this or test it





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lol but no one complained when rogues were op last year or the year before that.??? hahaha

[CouchPass]

lol but no one complained when rogues were op last year or the year before that.??? hahaha


Lmao everyone complained.. Everbody asked to nerf everything about rouges. You obviously don't know what happened.

[Shaker Ida]

See for ur self when u talk of pve u talk of elites. You can solo elites , you earn easy by farming arena , you got high damage(because of crit). These things are impossible for warrior and mages.
Mages can solo ...

Plus tanks can solo all mobs faster than rouge only boss takes long

And rpuge cant solo rengol bosses even with old armor now they cant solo first map mobs alone ...

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[Shaker Ida]

lol but no one complained when rogues were op last year or the year before that.??? hahaha
Whats so funny ?

Mages and tanks were getting buffed over last year and year before that came out of nthing ?

And no need to say complaining and be childish we just share ideas here


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[Shaker Ida]

Lmao everyone complained.. Everbody asked to nerf everything about rouges. You obviously don't know what happened.
No he doesnt

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[Heyyobreh]

Like everyone is against the rogue nerf.... I don't see why sts is not doing anything.
I want to know if I SHOULD sell all my rogue stuff or SHOULD NOT.

As Zeus said, if you don't want us to be "tanky"(which we weren't before either) then ATLEAST give us our dmg back!

This hasn't balanced ANYTHING, and a warrior with 500k set kills rogue with 20m+ set(twink).



Sts, listen to us and fix this, Please!
and yes im annoyed

[konafez]

I feel that the game balance is very messed up but it's very easy to fix. Reducing armor in PVE is a good thing. Before, rogues were just spamming pots and spamming skills, which made no need for tanks or mages. Now they have to avoid red zones (yes, mini boss should be able to kills you, otherwise he's not a boss). In PVP, they should give rogues back their armor and they should remove the stun from the sword completely and the game will be fun again.

I agree , do what ever you want to PvP, just leave warriors alone in pve

[Shaker Ida]

I feel that the game balance is very messed up but it's very easy to fix. Reducing armor in PVE is a good thing. Before, rogues were just spamming pots and spamming skills, which made no need for tanks or mages. Now they have to avoid red zones (yes, mini boss should be able to kills you, otherwise he's not a boss). In PVP, they should give rogues back their armor and they should remove the stun from the sword completely and the game will be fun again.
Well we all agreed on mini boss 1hit rouge but not normal mob lol

And i like your idea

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[Gouiwaa9000]

Emm.. What? Rogs die from normal mobs? Well if you Rambo in , the yes you will die. Rogs got razor mastery , that gives 10% damage reduction at 10/10 ( maybe sts should increase it to 2% per point , lets be fear about rogs , leave the armor as it is , but add damage reduction to some skills/masterys ) Mage needs shield to survive . it's a must have to be able to even play( you can use nekro shield instead , but it does not matter , let's say mages need damage reduction of over than 40% ) . Rogs have a skill that they can't play without? ( not talking about best experience , but about something you need to be able to even play ) .let's talk about PvP... Rogs can crit 8k , and even more on a combo. Is there another class that can deal such insane damage in seconds? . And now about arcane weapons... Mages got ripped off here. The staff is slow , and has very low skill damage . and charge eats up like 600 mana. Yes wars did get the best weapon , and that's fear considering the class was weak in pve...

[sidkhanna15]

Just tell us what are ur passives

[Sakurahb]

In order to use razor we need to remove one skill. Aimed , nox and pierce are essential in pve so that means I can't use any other skill but razor ? Isn't fair at all . There's many saying that now rogues will include warriors and mages in their pt, please don't make this a generic thing, I run with any class and I know about MANY others rogues that also don't mind having a tank or mage in the pt if they know what to do . But the thing here is that the armor nerf made us vulnerable in pve and pvp, I have 1.500 armor and that's what I had at lvl 36, nerfing rogue armor won't help in any way on the class balance, will just make players go to others classes which are constantly getting buffed.

[Zeus]

lol but no one complained when rogues were op last year or the year before that.??? hahaha

Are you kidding? Countless rogues were advocating for sorcerer and warrior buffs during that time.

[Zeus]

I feel that the game balance is very messed up but it's very easy to fix. Reducing armor in PVE is a good thing. Before, rogues were just spamming pots and spamming skills, which made no need for tanks or mages. Now they have to avoid red zones (yes, mini boss should be able to kills you, otherwise he's not a boss). In PVP, they should give rogues back their armor and they should remove the stun from the sword completely and the game will be fun again.

Your idea is great and something I suggest too! The PvP balance was really competitive for each class and this armor nerf destroyed it. Heck, I have to even be scared about a warrior in legendary gear but arcane sword...if he procs it's gg for me.

Yesterday, I was dueling. The mage asked me not to use Nekro. I said sure, why not. The mage was using an Elondrian Gun and we both ended up vsing each other with Maridos. I thought for sure the match would be in my favor, but I barely was able to win. The Elondrian Gun, a L41 weapon from TWO SEASONS ago was nearly able to 1 combo a maxed out rogue. That, really, is ridiculous.

[sidkhanna15]

Tell that to mages, they would laugh so hard.
Mages need shield , warrior need hp buffing skill even in normal maps, and that does not even hurt mobs, like razor shield.

U need to ration skills points to make a great build, doing all upgrades(5/5) for a active skill isn't going to do that.

But ya I agree that spending all new expansion skill points , just to compensate a nerf it's way too wrong.

[Kakashis]

If a party is no longer as smooth with full rogues and is actually faster with a tank now, I'd say that it's more balanced. Pvp should see some balancing out. Rogues can't exactly kill warriors anymore.

[uehi]

If a party is no longer as smooth with full rogues and is actually faster with a tank now, I'd say that it's more balanced. Pvp should see some balancing out. Rogues can't exactly kill warriors anymore.
Party with tanks is faster because he deal more dmg from sword like op mage from skills. Not because maps without tank is harder. not because he hold mobs. not because he is tank only because he deal dmg.

[exkaan]

Sts pls fixed the armor

[Sakurahb]

Party with tanks is faster because he deal more dmg from sword like op mage from skills. Not because maps without tank is harder. not because he hold mobs. not because he is tank only because he deal dmg.
What class are you ...?Tanks and mages can make any map easier to play , except arena since there's only bosses, meaning single target and that's what rogues are for .

[Kriticality]

Party with tanks is faster because he deal more dmg from sword like op mage from skills. Not because maps without tank is harder. not because he hold mobs. not because he is tank only because he deal dmg.

Show me all Tank or all Mage records then look at all rogues. Rogues are more efficient killers. Mages make it easier for them. Tanks still have limited place on lb. The issue is that there likely can't be a blanket fix that both fixes pve and pvp.


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[Befs]

See no problem with rogue armor getting nerfed, currently geared on rogue with myth belt and armor, planar pend, arcane ring, 46 legendary helm, and arcane daggers. Not fully gemmed and rarely get 1 hit by anything.

[Shaker Ida]

Emm.. What? Rogs die from normal mobs? Well if you Rambo in , the yes you will die. Rogs got razor mastery , that gives 10% damage reduction at 10/10 ( maybe sts should increase it to 2% per point , lets be fear about rogs , leave the armor as it is , but add damage reduction to some skills/masterys ) Mage needs shield to survive . it's a must have to be able to even play( you can use nekro shield instead , but it does not matter , let's say mages need damage reduction of over than 40% ) . Rogs have a skill that they can't play without? ( not talking about best experience , but about something you need to be able to even play ) .let's talk about PvP... Rogs can crit 8k , and even more on a combo. Is there another class that can deal such insane damage in seconds? . And now about arcane weapons... Mages got ripped off here. The staff is slow , and has very low skill damage . and charge eats up like 600 mana. Yes wars did get the best weapon , and that's fear considering the class was weak in pve...
Pls dont talk abt mastery before lvl 56
You know that takes 10 points of build dont you ? And mages has almost same damage of a rouge i get 1 combo by mage now same for tanks my freind practiced with me he can deal damage that we cant handle with this armor

And this razor mastery is bs need 10 points and when cd what would i do


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[Shaker Ida]

In order to use razor we need to remove one skill. Aimed , nox and pierce are essential in pve so that means I can't use any other skill but razor ? Isn't fair at all . There's many saying that now rogues will include warriors and mages in their pt, please don't make this a generic thing, I run with any class and I know about MANY others rogues that also don't mind having a tank or mage in the pt if they know what to do . But the thing here is that the armor nerf made us vulnerable in pve and pvp, I have 1.500 armor and that's what I had at lvl 36, nerfing rogue armor won't help in any way on the class balance, will just make players go to others classes which are constantly getting buffed.
I share your point

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[Shaker Ida]

Your idea is great and something I suggest too! The PvP balance was really competitive for each class and this armor nerf destroyed it. Heck, I have to even be scared about a warrior in legendary gear but arcane sword...if he procs it's gg for me.

Yesterday, I was dueling. The mage asked me not to use Nekro. I said sure, why not. The mage was using an Elondrian Gun and we both ended up vsing each other with Maridos. I thought for sure the match would be in my favor, but I barely was able to win. The Elondrian Gun, a L41 weapon from TWO SEASONS ago was nearly able to 1 combo a maxed out rogue. That, really, is ridiculous.
Exactly

And Daggers is a weapon that makes u engage .. and engaging needs armor and its not a good idea in pvp

Really idk what to say lol and our dags proc in pvp which i never seen
Cause tank jugs and mage uses sheild

It was really competitive in pvp before this nerf


This armor nerf makes no sense just turned us to papers *food*

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[kydrian]

In order to use razor we need to remove one skill. Aimed , nox and pierce are essential in pve so that means I can't use any other skill but razor ? Isn't fair at all . There's many saying that now rogues will include warriors and mages in their pt, please don't make this a generic thing, I run with any class and I know about MANY others rogues that also don't mind having a tank or mage in the pt if they know what to do . But the thing here is that the armor nerf made us vulnerable in pve and pvp, I have 1.500 armor and that's what I had at lvl 36, nerfing rogue armor won't help in any way on the class balance, will just make players go to others classes which are constantly getting buffed.
That's why there are jewels. Try different builds, all your doing is going for raw damage and crit. Why not make a change...

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[Wiz8]

Just give rogue there armor back or either buff our damage ^ your choice cause I'm a pvp player myself all a tank have to do is spam auto me go die die in a sec flat...grats STS for a rogue survival rate -.-


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[kydrian]

Just give rogue there armor back or either buff our damage ^ your choice cause I'm a pvp player myself all a tank have to do is spam auto me go die die in a sec flat...grats STS for a rogue survival rate -.-


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Buff your damage? You already have enough. If you want armor go to a tank or use diamond jewels be more diverse. Before rogues had the same of every other class. High damage, sustainable Armor, crit, health, all in one made the other classes seem useless. Now you know how a mage feels when they get 1 shot. Your a rogue not a damn special class that has every perk.

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[Wiz8]

Buff your damage? You already have enough. If you want armor go to a tank or use diamond jewels be more diverse. Before rogues had the same of every other class. High damage, sustainable Armor, crit, health, all in one made the other classes seem useless. Now you know how a mage feels when they get 1 shot. Your a rogue not a damn special class that has every perk.

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Are you mad sir >.> not my fault tank can just auto att an we die by the way I said choose buff damage was just opinion sir calm down sir go play auto spam with your broke weapon sir


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[kydrian]

Are you mad sir >.> not my fault tank can just auto att an we die by the way I said choose buff damage was just opinion sir calm down sir go play auto spam with your broke weapon sir


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Lol I don't use the sword anymore yes its op that's why I stopped using it.

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[Wiz8]

Lol I don't use the sword anymore yes its op that's why I stopped using it.

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Good grats to see a tank who don't rely on a broke wep


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[Eagle Eye229]

People get used to the easy life of AS everything to death.that skill has some of the best sub skill abilities.coupled with lowest skill cd.Rogues were used to having their cake and eating it too.Now your cookie cutter playstyle and builds are no longer absolute best.I know how it feels to be nerfed.

Ex:For Cod Aw I am ranked close to 5000 in world on tdm leader boards. SHG decided that the ASM1 speakeasy variant had 67bullets at full clip.A year or so later they nerfed the bullets by about 25%.I was mad as heII cause I was dominating with it and I needed those 15bullets they took.I learned to adapt and still managed to keep my 2.24 kdr.I learned to adapt and yes certain things are op versus other certain things.TRY BEFORE YOU FAIL.Or you just fail to try.Have any rogues tried using things other than damage adding socketables? You want the single most highest critical damage skill,then u wanna go glass cannon pumping that damage as high as you can.Then you expect to have good survivability.It doesn't work that way.It works for all classes not just rogues.

*rogues continue to do the precise things they used to when they were op and it doesn't work anymore.whole rogue community(I know,some are OK with this.)precedes to be blown away when their old tricks don't work anymore.when their old builds don't work Really needs to be changed?

There is a reason these guys have won awards for their games.Balance come will with more options and variety.so instead of just saying well there is no way at all rogues will be able to keep up is ridiculous at best.Maybe couple new mastery with certain jewels and you will be alright.Taking out your primary jewels/gems of your gear and put in more defensive socketables you get damage nerf (which is up to the player.want to be a glass cannon or survive more?)

Warriors say it with me:"started from the bottom now we're here..".

[Legallyblonde]

Leave armor nerfed, but buff rogues damage.

I could care less about armour. I play rogue to kill things and kill them fast.

[Legallyblonde]

idk why you guys are crying over armor.

YOU'RE ROGUES!

You SHOULD be crying over the fact they didn't COMPENSATE us with a RAW DAMAGE BUFF!!!

[Darkquantum]

The rogues who take this armor nerf seriously do so because they do love this game and this company and they do not wish to stop playing because of gameplay-affecting decisions influenced (even if 1%) by comments like these.

For instance, most of the rogues who are voicing out their opinions in this thread and in the Itemization thread by Remiem, are doing so with reason. They have put forward their opinion on how badly it is affecting their game-play and most of the opinions are substantiated with valid reasons. You are stating "Let them cry" - an attitude which can prove to be a hurdle to logical discussion.

Not to flame or to call you out but generally speaking, nobody is "crying" here, I do not see any whining or ranting or negative words from them. Most of their opinions are backed up by questions to the devs and reasons for how they feel and possible solutions for the issue. "Coz they think they own everything" - No we dont, why would you even generalize? If the attitude of the majority of rogues was this, then we would not have been supporting other class buffs in older threads.

I would like to ask what do you feel about some of the solutions and questions that have been brought up about this topic? Please try to elaborate why and how. Every rogue's feedback is helpful, even in disagreement, but please back it up.
Its easy to support buffs to other players when you know you will still be number one class. Now that you guys are on par with us its like we wanted you buffed why u trying to stop us? just how it looks to me. We are on par now and you guys are going insane you dont want us all the same u want to be number 1 again and most op

[Zeus]

Its easy to support buffs to other players when you know you will still be number one class. Now that you guys are on par with us its like we wanted you buffed why u trying to stop us? just how it looks to me. We are on par now and you guys are going insane you dont want us all the same u want to be number 1 again and most op

On par? An Elondrian Gun mage can one combo a maxed rogue now. A tank with legendary gear and arcane sword can destroy a maxed rogue now. No, skill has nothing to do with it because even I can't do much against a legendary warrior with arcane sword now.

[Darkquantum]

On par? An Elondrian Gun mage can one combo a maxed rogue now. A tank with legendary gear and arcane sword can destroy a maxed rogue now. No, skill has nothing to do with it because even I can't do much against a legendary warrior with arcane sword now.
Enon gun mage can 1 hit you? I dont think so...... I have staff and cant 1 hit rouges still. I lost a 1v1 today against a rouge. Sure he/she was top gear but thats the 1st time since update. she/he has clearly figured out how to pvp with the new skill mastery provided. I made no mistake in that 1v1 and was just clearly beaten. please dont over exaggerate you as zeus do not get 1 hit by a mage with elon gun zzzz


But yes the tanks are hell op now but im glad its there turn. Great to see tanks in pvp so many

[uehi]

Enon gun mage can 1 hit you? I dont think so...... I have staff and cant 1 hit rouges still. I lost a 1v1 today against a rouge. Sure he/she was top gear but thats the 1st time since update. she/he has clearly figured out how to pvp with the new skill mastery provided. I made no mistake in that 1v1 and was just clearly beaten. please dont over exaggerate you as zeus do not get 1 hit by a mage with elon gun zzzz


But yes the tanks are hell op now but im glad its there turn. Great to see tanks in pvp so many
Yes funy to see warior ;) funy to see weak mage still can die from 1 shot:) Funy to see weak player can kill strong player:) i think game is better when ppl with weak gear can play pvp with ppl full gear and both efective:)
Unbalance is funy so i think we need stay like that for more fun:)

[Shaker Ida]

Yes funy to see warior ;) funy to see weak mage still can die from 1 shot:) Funy to see weak player can kill strong player:) i think game is better when ppl with weak gear can play pvp with ppl full gear and both efective:)
Unbalance is funy so i think we need stay like that for more fun:)
Over all i think you should work on your english

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[uehi]

Over all i think you should work on your english

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true ;) i learn only in al ;)

[kydrian]

Exactly we are rogues so we need our armor back or else give us a arcane shield like mages, thats how they survive, now rogues i see are 1600 armor most of them and mages are 1600-1700 so how are we close to mages? They are more armor or same, has a arcane shield while we don't, how to survive then?
No, what you need is to use your brain and think positively and find a way to get more armor then beg. You know why a mage has a shield? they don't attack as fast as you they are slow as hell on stubby feet. they are a sitting duck. On the other hand a rogue can dodge/escape real quick and move around more better. You coont.

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[uehi]

No, what you need is to use your brain and think positively and find a way to get more armor then beg. You know why a mage has a shield? they don't attack as fast as you they are slow as hell on stubby feet. they are a sitting duck. On the other hand a rogue can dodge/escape real quick and move around more better. You coont.

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doge escape ;) abahahahah:) pls use your brain xd! pls tell your ign in game i wana see how you play pvp show me your rogue.

[Darkquantum]

You are saying its great to see 5 tanks with sword in opposition team while other is barely few dps with low armor? My friend is maxed and got killed by 3 axes in a clash earlier, 3 tanks with set only axed her and she died because of her armor so how is she suppose to survive
Thats ganging no i dont like this at all. Nor do i condone or promote it. That is a different story. Even before the update what are you gonna do against 5 tanks? Same as now bro. Dont stay in a room with 5v3 especially if they are all tanks

[Darkquantum]

I didn't mean 5vs3 i meant in 5vs5 when all 5 rushes the rogue, there is no chance to survive
Dont go in 1st as rouge in a 5v5? That was never smart why would it be smart now? Tanks are made to survive that. Not rouges. Im sorry i must be missing your point. it seems like im only pointing out the obvious

[Heyyobreh]

OMG there's no need to argue about this. Nerf is bad. Remiem fix

[Darkquantum]

OMG there's no need to argue about this. Nerf is bad. Remiem fix
Politely Disagree

[melayuarmy]

The thing is why girl(rouge) so strong than man(war) lol xD


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[Remiem]

Hey folks. This thread has provided us with a TON of really valuable feedback. Thank you so much. I'm going to close this one up and pass it along to the devs for review.