Regarding game balance Pvp

[Dynimite]

I'd first like to commend sts for looking into to this. For a very long time rouges have been dominating pvp. Warriors just got the upper hand recently but what about the little blue guys? We have been bullied for sooooooo long. "MANA" they say back us up with "MANA"( I'll give you mana when the bar is full you bum!- Dyni's response) I have a fantastic idea that would make us more huggable but less squishy.. how about increasing length of shield, reducing more damage when fully charged and adding dodge proc as well. I know alot of you rouges will complain.. you guys love the surprise 1 hitters quitters and you tanks love grabing us and jumping us but smurfs are people too we deserve to have the same buffs to defend ourselves.. just saying... your number#1 smurf advocate

[Dynimite]

Shout out to all my blue people in the al community and absolute present and former members dyni loves ya ^-^

[will0]

They just need blue smurf cause we just buff mana not that we do anything else, die little ones they do not care, they just need to tank stack and kill each other funny it seems...

[onadraosari]

Mage is character, who has a lot mana. I dnt understand why did u make this thread? Nd mage dnt create for pvp.
It's awsm pve character, best of all, but it's not pvp as rog or warr. Good mage has 7k+ mana plus, i think its a lot,
Nd mage has heal skill which back some mana

[PearlOTTheEast]

Yeah yeah.. +1.. just a little sympathy for those blue ugliest weakest ones.. Even 2% buff.. Just pls.. We're just food in the AL PvP System..

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[Zeus]

Mage has a use in PvP, rogues do not right now. Try a 3 tank 2 Mage clash or a 2 tank 3 Mage clash. A rogue simply cannot fight against it.

Where are sorcerers lacking in PvP?

[Dynimite]

Ona, mages are made to have more damage then every class but right now rouges tanks can have the same damage or really close to it. Mages can't have 9k health and critz at 75%.. just because we have mana dosent mean anything.. mages should be able to get close to those stats at well to be fair and pvp just like the rest of you

[Dynimite]

Mages are lacking in balance with the other classes. Even in pve you don't really need a mage with 2 or 3 rouges. Tanks can do it to(it might take long but they can) mages needs

[Zeus]

Ona, mages are made to have more damage then every class but right now rouges tanks can have the same damage or really close to it. Mages can't have 9k health and critz at 75%.. just because we have mana dosent mean anything.. mages should be able to get close to those stats at well to be fair and pvp just like the rest of you

Sorcerers have never been made to have the most damage of every class. They're first and foremost a crowd control and AOE class.


Mages are lacking in balance with the other classes. Even in pve you don't really need a mage with 2 or 3 rouges. Tanks can do it to(it might take long but they can) mages needs

In PvE I agree with you, however in PvP, they're already extremely powerful. As an individual, you just need to work on tapping that potential and using it to your advantage.

[Dynimite]

Someone to hide behind always.. when was the last time you vs a mage and loss?
I can tell you when I loss.. EVERYTIME. Tht ain't balance thats smurf abuse. Lol.. 4 Zeus game over against any squad

[Zeus]

Someone to hide behind always.. when was the last time you vs a mage and loss?
I can tell you when I loss.. EVERYTIME. Tht ain't balance thats smurf abuse. Lol.. 4 Zeus game over against any squad

What're you using to fight a rogue?

[Dynimite]

Gear wise I have some decent stuff pets I have them all like Pokémon.

[Zeus]

Gear wise I have some decent stuff pets I have them all like Pokémon.

I'm saying skill wise, what are you using?

[Dynimite]

Mages were supposed to have high dam then everyone eles plus mana bonus. Just like Rouges have highest crit and dodge.. Tanks have highest hp and armor. But when it gets to where a class has the possibility of all the above but mages cant..how is that fair? Forget the mana!! I bet any mage out there would trade that for more hp or crit.. I know I would

[Dynimite]

Shield, health, fire, light..sometimes I add ice over heal 100%int.

[Zeus]

Shield, health, fire, light..sometimes I add ice over heal 100%int.

There's your problem, you're using the wrong skill build. Why use heal? You need to keep a constant aggression on a rogue. If you go heal, you also give the rogue time to heal. The only difference is that your shield will be almost out but the rogue has quick CD time.

With the low armor, you go fire ice light shield with sns. If done correctly, you'll be able to put the lights out on just about any rogue.

[Dynimite]

This is fun. Its like I'm doing an infomercial for Mages . Just 15 coins a day you can adopt a smurf like dyni and help him not get abused by tanks and rouges..lol

[Dynimite]

I will try that..

[Dynimite]

Im sure that works However, rouges can drop packs first and slide to get them.. I would have no choice but to follow and attack with no heal..

[Zeus]

I will try that..

You will want some str in your build as well to strengthen your shield. Your damage will still be more than enough to nuke a rogue.

This will work for most rogues, for a rogue like me, you will need to sacrifice int for str like I've sacrificed dex for str. Also, needless to say, the more crit the better.

[Dynimite]

Plus..people yelling at you for mana.. what am I gonna say? I don't have any.. my whole party would leave, get on the other team and make dyni chow fun

[Zeus]

Im sure that works However, rouges can drop packs first and slide to get them.. I would have no choice but to follow and attack with no heal..

You do have a choice, the arena is a vast place. Why let the rogue dictate where to fight? Wait it out and force him to fight away from his packs. You don't have to attack in a place where he's strongest.

It's actually better for you if a rogue puts his packs down at the start, it paints out a path for you exactly where not to go.

[Zeus]

Plus..people yelling at you for mana.. what am I gonna say? I don't have any.. my whole party would leave, get on the other team and make dyni chow fun

I'm talking about in a duel environment. You're asking how to kill a rogue, so that's what I'm giving advice on. For a clash environment, you use your teammates and strategies to your advantage. Rogues have much less influence in a clash based environment so it should be easier for you to take out s rogue in that setting than in a duel arena.

Right now, in terms of duel arena:

1. Warriors
2. Sorcerers/Rogues

There's no number 3, because warrior eats both rogue and sorcerer no matter how good the sorcerer or rogue is. However, the rogue and sorcerer both have an equal chance at killing each other.

For clash setting, you rely on your warriors and fellow Mage's to kill the rogue together. Anyways, a rogue does not have a chance in a clash based environment these days. If he does, there's something wrong with your teams strategy.

[Dynimite]

Im gonna get some sleep but.. I still feel like mages can use a buff and no matter what anyone says we have been left behind in all the differnt perks rouges and tanks have been given over the years...time to show the little blue guys some love too STS..let's vs sometimes zeus you can show me what your talking about.

[Dynimite]

Tanks are taking over like S Curry over NBA.. but you know for years rouges dominated up until late armor de buff.

[supersyan]

Mage is easy to kill compared to rogue by warrior.

There's enough time to deal damage and heal. I remembering when i used my mage, a warrior asked to fight him and said he won't attack me for 30 second and i can attack him for that time. I spammed all attack skills on him and he keeps heal,jugg, VB and at the end i died by his pet. And today i play warrior with average gears ( No Arcanes sword,no arcane ring, no planar pendant and i'm not socketed jewels either, i use galen and old forager set assault/underhaul set)) (stats 7500ish health 2300ish armor 628 damage) can easily kill a mage with arcane ring,new arcane staff.And i seen warriors even challenging 3 mages for 1vs 3. Seriously underpowered

[supersyan]

Also to add mage is in the same state as warrior against PVE bosses. Both suck against PVE bosses. But mage can easily kills mob crowds. Warrior needs aegis for that

[Kharjojo]

Mages might be good in a clash environment, but only in a support perspective.
Even if i feel good whyle wearing my support role in clashes, that's mean that we need some buff, in one way or another, which can help us survive better and kill too.
If also the maxed out rogues r still complaining abt the pvp environments i don't see why mages cannot complains too.. and i cannot accept the mood "u ve got a shield" when i have to sacrifice a lot to survive the second aimed of a rogue, if i've survived the first combo lol, u guys do tons of crit.. literally tons at 56, expecially the maxed out rogues and that's ur "job" in the end.
So, Diny, i'm with ya my fellow colleguee :D

[Bvtz]

You will want some str in your build as well to strengthen your shield. Your damage will still be more than enough to nuke a rogue.

This will work for most rogues, for a rogue like me, you will need to sacrifice int for str like I've sacrificed dex for str. Also, needless to say, the more crit the better.
About how much str will I need 25-50 or more?? In base stat points??

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[Zeus]

Yap mages need bufff.

Plz look onto curse skill. Make it useful by reducing cooldown and also make it so that it can reflect the damage we absorb. If we get hit by aim shot 6k dmg then reflect it too rogue plz. Then that's balance.

Lol, are you kidding? You want one skill to reflect the damage equivalent of any hits you take?

[Fredystern]

Mage is character, who has a lot mana. I dnt understand why did u make this thread? Nd mage dnt create for pvp.
It's awsm pve character, best of all, but it's not pvp as rog or warr. Good mage has 7k+ mana plus, i think its a lot,
Nd mage has heal skill which back some mana

Oh right 7k mana and i use about 50 mana pot in every elite, our critical wasnt good as rogues i was mean the damage output not the rate. Then warrior? 9k hp 3k armor and 800 damage? Seriously. We mage 4.5k hp 1.4k armor and 900 damage -.- and you say that mage arent created for PvP i disagree with that. In lvl cap 41 we mage could kill a warrior even before any mythic come out that time only legend and 36 mythic seen. Thats not so hard to kill a warrior if you have damage above 600 that time and warrior have damage around 400, even when the mythic weapon come out we are still could kill 2 warrior alone but now? Its diffrent 2mage gang warrior, mage get killed by warr thats diffrent now. Dont judge us a mage as a character who shouldnt plat PvP just cuz the warrior stat get boost 400 damage in 1expand, what happen if mage have 1400 damage vs with warrior 800 damage ha? Warr damage doubled from 41 cap why mage get 300 damage boost? Why not double too?? Well thats not fair since rogue got 1.5x damage boost after 46 cap :'( not fair

[Fredystern]

Yap mages need bufff.

Plz look onto curse skill. Make it useful by reducing cooldown and also make it so that it can reflect the damage we absorb. If we get hit by aim shot 6k dmg then reflect it too rogue plz. Then that's balance.

Reflect in PvP? Lol OP if they do then mage will got all job in PvP, PvE D:

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[Serillia]

Oh right 7k mana and i use about 50 mana pot in every elite, our critical wasnt good as rogues i was mean the damage output not the rate. Then warrior? 9k hp 3k armor and 800 damage? Seriously. We mage 4.5k hp 1.4k armor and 900 damage -.- and you say that mage arent created for PvP i disagree with that. In lvl cap 41 we mage could kill a warrior even before any mythic come out that time only legend and 36 mythic seen. Thats not so hard to kill a warrior if you have damage above 600 that time and warrior have damage around 400, even when the mythic weapon come out we are still could kill 2 warrior alone but now? Its diffrent 2mage gang warrior, mage get killed by warr thats diffrent now. Dont judge us a mage as a character who shouldnt plat PvP just cuz the warrior stat get boost 400 damage in 1expand, what happen if mage have 1400 damage vs with warrior 800 damage ha? Warr damage doubled from 41 cap why mage get 300 damage boost? Why not double too?? Well thats not fair since rogue got 1.5x damage boost after 46 cap :'( not fair
You have 7k mana. Its a lot. But you're a mage. So, noone complains. Rogues use a hell of a lot mana pots in PvE. But they have great crit %. Because they're rogues. And if you quote the stats of a geared tank, atleast quote the stats of a similiarly geared mage. The warriors were a class which was left uncared for about 2 seasons. They were useless in PvE and if not very well geared, almost as useless in PvP. I agree that, right now, warriors are OP, mainly because of the sword and its proc. But you say At Lvl 41 and 36, you could kill warriors easily. That part should never have happened. Warriors are supposed to have the class advatange over mages(in duels ofc). Thats how the kill triangle is supposed to go.
Rogues got a great damage boost? Look at their armor now. Right now, mages who know what they're doing and play smartly can do very well in PvP situations and warriors don't even need to try that hard. If rogues get back their damage in PvP(which is going to happen soon on a trial basis), they can be true glass cannons. I believe that would even out a clash situation but we'll just have to see...

[Fredystern]

You have 7k mana. Its a lot. But you're a mage. So, noone complains. Rogues use a hell of a lot mana pots in PvE. But they have great crit %. Because they're rogues. And if you quote the stats of a geared tank, atleast quote the stats of a similiarly geared mage. The warriors were a class which was left uncared for about 2 seasons. They were useless in PvE and if not very well geared, almost as useless in PvP. I agree that, right now, warriors are OP, mainly because of the sword and its proc. But you say At Lvl 41 and 36, you could kill warriors easily. That part should never have happened. Warriors are supposed to have the class advatange over mages(in duels ofc). Thats how the kill triangle is supposed to go.
Rogues got a great damage boost? Look at their armor now. Right now, mages who know what they're doing and play smartly can do very well in PvP situations and warriors don't even need to try that hard. If rogues get back their damage in PvP(which is going to happen soon on a trial basis), they can be true glass cannons. I believe that would even out a clash situation but we'll just have to see...

Not easily at all to kill a tank in 41 but now nealy impossible that what i want to say. Rogue nearly kill us by 1combo and if we already use shield then waiting for another combo :(
And mage didnt got any nerf in PvP right? I dont remember mage got nerf or buff in PvP if there's not no reason to play PvP this weekend :3

[intrepd]

Mage is easy to kill compared to rogue by warrior.

There's enough time to deal damage and heal. I remembering when i used my mage, a warrior asked to fight him and said he won't attack me for 30 second and i can attack him for that time. I spammed all attack skills on him and he keeps heal,jugg, VB and at the end i died by his pet. And today i play warrior with average gears ( No Arcanes sword,no arcane ring, no planar pendant and i'm not socketed jewels either, i use galen and old forager set assault/underhaul set)) (stats 7500ish health 2300ish armor 628 damage) can easily kill a mage with arcane ring,new arcane staff.And i seen warriors even challenging 3 mages for 1vs 3. Seriously underpowered
Sorry but weren't u talking about how balanced PVP is few days ago by saying tanks equal with all classes and that you can't kill a undergeared rogue with ur undergeared tank but now u kill a maxed mage with undergeared tank? Changed Mind?

[Saud]

i know some players see "some" mages op right now
but the only op mages aren't that much
the guy who wants a buff is an regular Mage
that mean he wants a blance compared to rogue who use nekro and dragon daggers and the new free gear
also we need to respec skill if we want duel/clash
but with the new 10 skill we have we can use frost/curse right
but no skills for mastery
while rogues only need aim/nox/packs/pierce
and by that they can vs/clash with it

it's simple mages aren't that good anymore
the only way to kill rogue/tank using right skills
but we have to respec everytime
while other classes take 1 build

[Zeus]

i know some players see "some" mages op right now
but the only op mages aren't that much
the guy who wants a buff is an regular Mage
that mean he wants a blance compared to rogue who use nekro and dragon daggers and the new free gear
also we need to respec skill if we want duel/clash
but with the new 10 skill we have we can use frost/curse right
but no skills for mastery
while rogues only need aim/nox/packs/pierce
and by that they can vs/clash with it

it's simple mages aren't that good anymore
the only way to kill rogue/tank using right skills
but we have to respec everytime
while other classes take 1 build

All classes require more than one build..lol. Rogues have 3 different builds.

[Saud]

All classes require more than one build..lol. Rogues have 3 different builds.

but..the famous build for both vs/clash
aim/nox/packs/pierce-nekro-arc dagger
war:axe/smash/jugg/heal-nekro-arc sword
mages(in clash):shield/fire/lighting/heal-nekro-arc staff is the best for clash
vs:frost/lighting/sometimes curse/heal/shield-nekro-gun cuz we can't just stop and try to hit target
it's simple zeus, its ok to say the class is weak
and I hope see u play mage, u will know how 2 combo break shield

[supersyan]

Sorry but weren't u talking about how balanced PVP is few days ago by saying tanks equal with all classes and that you can't kill a undergeared rogue with ur undergeared tank but now u kill a maxed mage with undergeared tank? Changed Mind?
NO
May be u should quote the post in that thread where i said tanks equal with all classes and that i can't kill undergeared rogue with ur undergeared tank.

I said "I'm talking about rogues compared to gear level of mine. which is the free mythic set. And they still win 7/10 and do crit a lot. When i used my aegis my hp ws 8.2k+ and 3200 armor (with abaddon pet) and still rogues crit 6k+"

Where to search? page 1,2,3 and 4 i never posted above that because of flaming and misinterpreting what i'm saying there by when i said warrior needs INT,DEX points which i consider as a single stats and not separate as passive or main . All posts are unedited and none of them deleted.
And no change of mind as well. Here's my quote from that same thread as well page 3- post #59

Mage armor is the weak. Mages are food

[intrepd]

NO
May be u should quote the post in that thread where i said tanks equal with all classes and that i can't kill undergeared rogue with ur undergeared tank.

I said "I'm talking about rogues compared to gear level of mine. which is the free mythic set. And they still win 7/10 and do crit a lot. When i used my aegis my hp ws 8.2k+ and 3200 armor (with abaddon pet) and still rogues crit 6k+"

Where to search? page 1,2,3 and 4 i never posted above that because of flaming and misinterpreting what i'm saying there by when i said warrior needs INT,DEX points which i consider as a single stats and not separate as passive or main . All posts are unedited and none of them deleted.
And no change of mind as well. Here's my quote from that same thread as well page 3- post #59


First of all neither a mage or tank needs dex in stats, and how come you lose vs a same geared rogue but win a maxed mage? And with lower stats than the stats you used vs the rogue 7500 instead of 8500 and 2300 armor instead of 3200.
You shouldnt be losing vs the rogue then.

[Zeus]

First of all neither a mage or tank needs dex in stats, and how come you lose vs a same geared rogue but win a maxed mage? And with lower stats than the stats you used vs the rogue 7500 instead of 8500 and 2300 armor instead of 3200.
You shouldnt be losing vs the rogue then.

He's using Aegis, that's why. Lava sword and he won't lose.

[intrepd]

He's using Aegis, that's why. Lava sword and he won't lose.

He said against the maxed mage he used no arcane

[yubaraj]

Lol, are you kidding? You want one skill to reflect the damage equivalent of any hits you take?

Hehe yap. That means rogues will think before spamming attack to poor squishy mage.

Anyways my point regarding curse is that curse has become so useless. Make it useful. Viable solution can be reducing cooldown and increasing it's area. I know reflect will be too op. But I see rogues crying all the time in clash. I don't want to see them do better in clash. Mage should be better in clash situation.

[azicheebahan]

To all the mages.crying here for buffs on their class,seriously?learn to play ,equaaly geared rogue with mage fight,mage can always win in tdm,i am not gonna tell the tact,go find it out,only wars are extremely op and unfairly one based amount of gold u spend for other two clases to even get close to become equal

[supersyan]

First of all neither a mage or tank needs dex in stats, and how come you lose vs a same geared rogue but win a maxed mage? And with lower stats than the stats you used vs the rogue 7500 instead of 8500 and 2300 armor instead of 3200.
You shouldnt be losing vs the rogue then.
This is a miscommunication problem. When i say 'stats' I mean i consider both passive and main stats a single stats and not separate Passive or MAIN. When i say warriors needs INT And DEX on their stats people automatically assumes its the MAIN stats and not PASSIVE stats.

How come you lose vs a same geared rogue but win a maxed mage?
Rogues crits a lot on me. Can't handle multiple crit of 6k, 5k ,6k.. as my hp is 7500ish On the other side when mages strike with multiple strikes i get to about 30% health and still have time to recover using Horn of heal. Usually by that time shield is dropped and can't run a way. 2,3 strikes and some autos kill them so fast. I wondered the same when i killed them because they have better gear than me and they should be the one who win against me.
And with 8500 hp and 3200 armor (with aegis and abaddon pet) against rogues i still loose most of the time. Its due to lack of damage i'm dealing on rogue and the crit from rogue which is now will 5.5kish (dmg is 600ish with aegis i lose damage when use aegis). And here's the thing, i can't feel my armor or tankiness when VS against rogues because i couldm't land my autos or pet attacks or potential debuff from pets and rogues do multiple crit like 5k,5.5,5.7 through my 3200 armor. And i feel the same when my armor is 2300 ish when vs against rogues But not against mages i can take even more hits when with aegis and can kill them as well.

[Zeus]

Hehe yap. That means rogues will think before spamming attack to poor squishy mage.

Anyways my point regarding curse is that curse has become so useless. Make it useful. Viable solution can be reducing cooldown and increasing it's area. I know reflect will be too op. But I see rogues crying all the time in clash. I don't want to see them do better in clash. Mage should be better in clash situation.

Nobody is asking for a rogue to be better in clash situation, they are asking for a rogue to have a USE in a clash situation. There's currently no use because of the nerf. Even prior to the nerf, sorcerers have always been preferred over rogues.


This is a miscommunication problem. When i say 'stats' I mean i consider both passive and main stats a single stats and not separate Passive or MAIN. When i say warriors needs INT And DEX on their stats people automatically assumes its the MAIN stats and not PASSIVE stats.

How come you lose vs a same geared rogue but win a maxed mage?
Rogues crits a lot on me. Can't handle multiple crit of 6k, 5k ,6k.. as my hp is 7500ish On the other side when mages strike with multiple strikes i get to about 30% health and still have time to recover using Horn of heal. Usually by that time shield is dropped and can't run a way. 2,3 strikes and some autos kill them so fast. I wondered the same when i killed them because they have better gear than me and they should be the one who win against me.
And with 8500 hp and 3200 armor (with aegis and abaddon pet) against rogues i still loose most of the time. Its due to lack of damage i'm dealing on rogue and the crit from rogue which is now will 5.5kish (dmg is 600ish with aegis i lose damage when use aegis). And here's the thing, i can't feel my armor or tankiness when VS against rogues because i couldm't land my autos or pet attacks or potential debuff from pets and rogues do multiple crit like 5k,5.5,5.7 through my 3200 armor. And i feel the same when my armor is 2300 ish when vs against rogues But not against mages i can take even more hits when with aegis and can kill them as well.

Your problem is your weapon choice. You're using the wrong weapon, that doesn't mean rogues are OP.

[Dynimite]

Sounds like all you tanks and rouges want to keep the blue man down.. how about some support. You are all so scared we might take some kills away or something.. we use mana for you so you can get kills and stats and we get a nice pat on the back or blamed if we don't heal fast enough.. Reflect shield? That's boss let's make that happen too OP? Nah just right.. it will make people think twice about blind shooting us or grabing us to jump us.. HA HA HA YES!!!! REFLECT I love it...

[intrepd]

Sounds like all you tanks and rouges want to keep the blue man down.. how about some support. You are all so scared we might take some kills away or something.. we use mana for you so you can get kills and stats and we get a nice pat on the back or blamed if we don't heal fast enough.. Reflect shield? That's boss let's make that happen too OP? Nah just right.. it will make people think twice about blind shooting us or grabing us to jump us.. HA HA HA YES!!!! REFLECT I love it...

U gotta be kidding lol if there was that reflect ur talking about ill just hse pure str build and wait for rogue to hit me until it dies since i have more hp.

[Dynimite]

Oh yea?? I'll invite Zeus to hold you down while I hind behind him and Zap they be jevus out you.. BWA HA HA AH HA.. SMURFS!!!!

[intrepd]

Oh yea?? I'll invite Zeus to hold you down while I hind behind him and Zap they be jevus out you.. BWA HA HA AH HA.. SMURFS!!!!


What are you even saying?

[Dynimite]

That's my only rebuddle against what you were saying about some strange build. I didn't have anything for that unfortunately

[Dynimite]

All joking aside.. I don't want to know about differnt builds or ways non mages see how they would like mages to be. In your eyes we have been mush and of course you all would like us to stay that way because with balance we can probably kick the snot out of most of you. I see that your scared and that's ok but be honest... who is the weakest class and why? How many times have rouges and tanks been buffed or made op with certain items and procs.. how about the smurfs

[Phup]

Lol mages aren't created for pvp??? Lmao tell me how

[Phup]

Rogues do have a role in pvp by doing a lot of damage and dealing critical hits

[Dynimite]

Pfft.. really dude? So Arcane legends pvp was only made for rouges and tanks?
The funny thing is he right!! Smurfs get no love.

[Luciano Lobo]

Now rogue class will have the full % multiplier again in PvP maps. Everybody will die in one shot combos from now on even the warriors.

[Dynimite]

So your saying that because I'm a mage I have to settle for pve only and you support to keep the blue man down because you scared? Gotcha.. I'd boycott healing when your low on fuel

[Dynimite]

Close this thread devs.. I'm done. Gonna make a rouge now

[Americabud]

Close this thread devs.. I'm done. Gonna make a rouge now

Thats your best shot if you want some fair gameplay

[Dynimite]

Your right Americanbud...don't close let's keep string the pot

[Dynimite]

It's disheartening when you see the same update to improve AGIAN Rouges and tanks. Seriously Rouges have nothing to complain about ever

[Lolifee]

I'm talking about in a duel environment. You're asking how to kill a rogue, so that's what I'm giving advice on. For a clash environment, you use your teammates and strategies to your advantage. Rogues have much less influence in a clash based environment so it should be easier for you to take out s rogue in that setting than in a duel arena.

Right now, in terms of duel arena:

1. Warriors
2. Sorcerers/Rogues

There's no number 3, because warrior eats both rogue and sorcerer no matter how good the sorcerer or rogue is. However, the rogue and sorcerer both have an equal chance at killing each other.

For clash setting, you rely on your warriors and fellow Mage's to kill the rogue together. Anyways, a rogue does not have a chance in a clash based environment these days. If he does, there's something wrong with your teams strategy.


you said, mages/rog equal. after armor nerf. that means if rog gets dmg back, mages suck completly?

[Zeus]

All joking aside.. I don't want to know about differnt builds or ways non mages see how they would like mages to be. In your eyes we have been mush and of course you all would like us to stay that way because with balance we can probably kick the snot out of most of you. I see that your scared and that's ok but be honest... who is the weakest class and why? How many times have rouges and tanks been buffed or made op with certain items and procs.. how about the smurfs

1. Arcane Shield Formula Was Revised so that Str helps strengthen the shield.
2. DoT was allowed to crit.
3. Sorcerer Shield was buffed to take up to 10% more damage.
4. Sorcerer Shield was given stun immunity, curse immunity, debuff immunity.
5. Heal was buffed and given an OP DoT tick.

That's 5 buffs.

Rogues haven't been buffed, only nerfed. Warriors have gotten 3 buffs if I remember correctly.


you said, mages/rog equal. after armor nerf. that means if rog gets dmg back, mages suck completly?

I said equal before armor nerf.


Close this thread devs.. I'm done. Gonna make a rouge now

I hope you do, you'll see that I am not exaggerating.

[Americabud]

It's disheartening when you see the same update to improve AGIAN Rouges and tanks. Seriously Rouges have nothing to complain about ever

And yet some rouges just complain complain complain, not all. just some

[Lolifee]

the post is from today and it says right now.
so you mean now the order is war/mage/rog?

-loli

[yubaraj]

1. Arcane Shield Formula Was Revised so that Str helps strengthen the shield.
2. DoT was allowed to crit.
3. Sorcerer Shield was buffed to take up to 10% more damage.
4. Sorcerer Shield was given stun immunity, curse immunity, debuff immunity.
5. Heal was buffed and given an OP DoT tick.

That's 5 buffs.

Rogues haven't been buffed, only nerfed. Warriors have gotten 3 buffs if I remember correctly.



I said equal before armor nerf.



I hope you do, you'll see that I am not exaggerating.

Mages are the weakest class that's why they got buffed. Rogues are the strongest that's why they got nerfed. Plus minus is equal i guses lol. Still mages are weak in 1 on 1 scenario.

Good luck killing eachother in pvp after tomorrow's update. There is no point entering pvp for mages when rogues get their damage back. So, One shot another rogue and cry again. Ask for health buff. Okay. Make it rogue pvp too.

[Americabud]

Mages are the weakest class that's why they got buffed. Rogues are the strongest that's why they got nerfed. Plus minus is equal i guses lol. Still mages are weak in 1 on 1 scenario.

Good luck killing eachother in pvp after tomorrow's update. There is no point entering pvp for mages when rogues get their damage back. So, One shot another rogue and cry again. Ask for health buff. Okay. Make it rogue pvp too.

i know right. why mention rouges have only been nerfed and warriors have been buffed. that only means rouges were op so they got nerfed

[will0]

Don't give the mana in PVP let them cry and die... Words use in forum are cheap especially with high profile status and cheap tricks that they are afraid of buffing mage, it is definitely not balance for blue smurfs in 1:1 vs situation

How many smurf can kill a full gear warrior with 8-10k hp with op arcane sword and neckro? How many smurf can absorb / avoid 1-2 combo from rogues with neckro ?

Curse skill needs a revamp it is useless as of now... long CD and it avoidable and not 100% that can be affecting effective opponents and this skill doesn't help much in PVE

[Dynimite]

What happen to the balance? Guess we are going to be going back and fourth on who is going to be more op Rouges or tanks. I'm gonna go pvp and to zap everyone. No heal just ice shield zaps and fire.. from here on out I'm boycotting using mana..

[Dynimite]

Or heal..........

[zerofort]

Give me mana!!!!

[eugene9707]

Don't give the mana in PVP let them cry and die... Words use in forum are cheap especially with high profile status and cheap tricks that they are afraid of buffing mage, it is definitely not balance for blue smurfs in 1:1 vs situation

How many smurf can kill a full gear warrior with 8-10k hp with op arcane sword and neckro? How many smurf can absorb / avoid 1-2 combo from rogues with neckro ?

Curse skill needs a revamp it is useless as of now... long CD and it avoidable and not 100% that can be affecting effective opponents and this skill doesn't help much in PVE

ummmm ... get shield ?

also... when i was at lv 46, i duel with a friend (rogue) using pve build (4 attack skills) and using nekro shield, for the first few matches i nuked him lol... until he decided to respec

[will0]

ummmm ... get shield ?

also... when i was at lv 46, i duel with a friend (rogue) using pve build (4 attack skills) and using nekro shield, for the first few matches i nuked him lol... until he decided to respec

if you are dealing on duel 4 attack skills speaks all, most of us have pve/pvp hybrid build not possible on situation on tdm / ctf

If you friend (rogue) did not use neckro shield first you should be able to stun with FB / ice with Skill bolt easy kill most of us know that method. If avoided you be dead if you dont have neckro or heal and shield is down with the combo

[Titanium]

I'd first like to commend sts for looking into to this. For a very long time rouges have been dominating pvp. Warriors just got the upper hand recently but what about the little blue guys? We have been bullied for sooooooo long. "MANA" they say back us up with "MANA"( I'll give you mana when the bar is full you bum!- Dyni's response) I have a fantastic idea that would make us more huggable but less squishy.. how about increasing length of shield, reducing more damage when fully charged and adding dodge proc as well. I know alot of you rouges will complain.. you guys love the surprise 1 hitters quitters and you tanks love grabing us and jumping us but smurfs are people too we deserve to have the same buffs to defend ourselves.. just saying... your number#1 smurf advocate

Pvp is doesn't mean vs.

Rogues didn't dominate pvp. I rather have 2 tank team mates or 2 mage team mates than 2 rogue in a ctf room.

Tanks always dominated pvp and now with the new arcane sword... they are absolute kings of pvp.

[Reniennn]

LoL rouges are gonna be OP now

[intrepd]

Don't give the mana in PVP let them cry and die... Words use in forum are cheap especially with high profile status and cheap tricks that they are afraid of buffing mage, it is definitely not balance for blue smurfs in 1:1 vs situation

How many smurf can kill a full gear warrior with 8-10k hp with op arcane sword and neckro? How many smurf can absorb / avoid 1-2 combo from rogues with neckro ?

Curse skill needs a revamp it is useless as of now... long CD and it avoidable and not 100% that can be affecting effective opponents and this skill doesn't help much in PVE
Not giving mana is ur choice ur not forced to, mages are meant to be better in clashes than vs.
Curse is already way too op for twinks low levels at least

[iiy]

Come on mage already TOO powerful, even with best gear in twink I still get rekt by some mages in VS! Stop complaining about things that are not real and go skill yourself.

[yubaraj]

Come on mage already TOO powerful, even with best gear in twink I still get rekt by some mages in VS! Stop complaining about things that are not real and go skill yourself.

Come on warrior already TOO powerful, even with best gear in twink I still get rekt by most warrior in VS! Stop complaining about things that are not real and go skill yourself.

Same to you. Lol

[intrepd]

Come on warrior already TOO powerful, even with best gear in twink I still get rekt by most warrior in VS! Stop complaining about things that are not real and go skill yourself.

Same to you. Lol
Both classes are depending on the situation, i have a twink mage and rogue but my mage can kill any rogue in that bracket

[yubaraj]

Both classes are depending on the situation, i have a twink mage and rogue but my mage can kill any rogue in that bracket

Any rogue? Before nerf or after nerf? What is your twink mage level? Maybe I can learn something from you if your claim is true. I am noob mage. When I played 23 i felt little easier vsing rogues. I left that bracket already now I am playing 15 again. If you play 15 then I will gladly vs you and see what you are capable of.

Anyways I will say again mage are weakest class in vs if it's for twink level.

[intrepd]

Any rogue? Before nerf or after nerf? What is your twink mage level? Maybe I can learn something from you if your claim is true. I am noob mage. When I played 23 i felt little easier vsing rogues. I left that bracket already now I am playing 15 again. If you play 15 then I will gladly vs you and see what you are capable of.

Anyways I will say again mage are weakest class in vs if it's for twink level.


11 mage, before I used to be able to kill some, after i can kill most, but it kind of sucks since rogues are suppose to be better at dealing single target damage and mage curse hurts af in low level especially in clashes.
Rogue should be op in vs
Mage clash

[Zeazimeh]

Come on mage already TOO powerful, even with best gear in twink I still get rekt by some mages in VS! Stop complaining about things that are not real and go skill yourself.
Then u must have bad gear.. Play as a capped mage before commenting

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[Zeazimeh]

I agree with Dyni.. This is not class balance.. Looks like sts hates smurfs everyone always talks about rogue and warr.. In pvp warriors wont heal mage if they have mana.. And they beg for mana..
Not justified

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[Robhawk]

I agree with Dyni.. This is not class balance.. Looks like sts hates smurfs everyone always talks about rogue and warr.. In pvp warriors wont heal mage if they have mana.. And they beg for mana..
Not justified

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A good warrior will never cry for mana because he has a skill to get mana back!

[Zeazimeh]

A good warrior will never cry for mana because he has a skill to get mana back!
Not all tanks use vb, many use juggernaut

[Robhawk]

Not all tanks use vb, many use juggernaut

A good warrior has speced both!

[Kingslaughter]

Lol warrior wont heal mage...what kind of team is that zzzz

[lusifer]

guys i play both warrior and rogue and felt that rogue was op even after the armor nerf before and things were just fine before a month when the pvp was well balanced and right now at this moment i hate the way it is how we call it as the " rogue legends" rogues can tank can crit can do ranged hits and can do anything

warriors have no ranged attacks and the damage we do is very less and no crit anyways lol and warrior is just a support class now if i 1 vs 1 myself with my both devices with my bro i can easy kill the warrior with 3 crits and everyone here play this game for pleasure and right at this momnet i dont feel any such things all this game does is irritate me.

it was well balanced before than right now


rogue 10 stats:

dmg 131 dmg
hp 1989
crit 24
dodge 21
armor 512

warrior lvl 10:

dmg : 108
hp:2128
armor:523
dodge 3
crit 4

now right at this point of game if i go to pvp with my warr i just killed with 3 shots and presently i hate this game and we all play for pleasure.pls have some consideration STS...


BRING THE BALANCED PVP AGAIN......