On heavy randomness: The pain of creating the new Antignome Set

[Ticklish]

First off, I would like to stress that this thread is not about the drop rates of set items. I believe many others have written about that, and a dev pointed out that we are seeing so many molds drop compared to helms and belts because we farm Heston and Preston far more than we do the other two bosses. So, let's do all 3 maps when farming! :)

My gripe today is about the heavily RNG-dependent loot method of the armor and the pendant.

At the moment, it costs around 10m to craft an antignome armor. Certainly not cheap, not out-of-this-world expensive either. The catch, though, is that 10m is actually just a chance at 4 types of armor!

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I understand the point of having 4 types, but why make it random? After spending 10m gold, I can still get stuck with one type whose stats I don't need. Yes, there's a bonus in Underhul maps, but that's about it. What if I'm not going into Underhul? What about doing pvp? I'll just settle for less-than the best stats even after I spent the money? On top of that, we still have to spend on jewels.

I know people loot the wrong type of untradeable amulet after spending at least 10m on chests. Atm, all that this has become, is a gold sink. People are taking time to farm for their items and to make money. For what? By the time we finally get the types of armor and amulet we want, the game would have moved on.

Looting the mold and the amulet is already based on RNG. Please think about making the armor type based on CHOICE. Have us at least choose whether we want int or str, or dmg or crit. A 50/50 chance is acceptable to me.

For example, have a dialogue with npc:

Well done, adventurer! You are now ready to accept your new armor. Tell me about your place in battle.

• I wield my weapons close to the enemy. (This will choose between the two str types, str and damage or str and crit)

• I take careful aim of my target from afar. (This will choose between the two int types, int and damage or int and crit)

Or:

• I wish to deal deadly strikes against the enemy. (Crit type)

• I wish to wound my enemy with heavy hits. (Damage type)

I'm not creative lol, but you get the picture. Of course, my example is for rogue armors. But the same can be done for warriors' and mages' armors too.

I'd like to add my thoughts on the frustration of players who have looted the wrong type of amulet. Can you please add an NPC that will allow us to trade in the wrong amulet + (500-1000) cryostar coins for the correct amulet type? This would keep the prices of both the Gold Heretic Chests and the Sack of Cryostar Coins up, supporting the heavy farmers.

Please consider this, as it is becoming more if a JOB to keep up with gear progression instead of enjoying the game. Thank you!

[Zeus]

Yes, please! The amount of RNG for this set is simply insane. If I'm spending hard earned gold and already took the effort, the item shouldn't be subpar.

[Shobhit Chaturvedi]

Well said buddy! +1!

[Niixed]

First ty so much devs for the awesome attention you've devoted to the game. I know we gripe a lot, but many of us are also very grateful for everything you're doing.

Agree very much with Tick here. From the individual player's perspective (sometimes inadequately considered) this can be immensely frustrating. There is already so much effort required to obtain this gear, why throw up a concrete barbed wire roadblock with laser shark patrols right before the finish line? Makes so many drop out of the race entirely.

At current prices, how much is needed to to guarantee you get the amulet you actually want? 50-100 million? Why can't this loot be class dependent?

[Kriticality]

First ty so much devs for the awesome attention you've devoted to the game. I know we gripe a lot, but many of us are also very grateful for everything you're doing.

Agree very much with Tick here. From the individual player's perspective (sometimes inadequately considered) this can be immensely frustrating. There is already so much effort required to obtain this gear, why throw up a concrete barbed wire roadblock with laser shark patrols right before the finish line? Makes so many drop out of the race entirely.

At current prices, what how much is needed to to guarantee you get the amulet you actually want? 50-100 million? Why can't this loot be class dependent?

It ain't pretty. I was so happy yesterday when I finally looted an amulet after more than 10m spent. Only to have Zeus mock my fame and glory when he pointed out I looted the wrong one. The tank one. Certainly doesn't have to be tradable but lemme at least hit up an npc and trade for the int type. I don't know what to do. Am i supposed to liquidate the 10m+ gold wrong amulet? Can I donate it to another tank at least? In hopes someone will donate the Mage type to me? I don't care about making gold off of it by selling it but at least let it get some use from someone. Can I hold a contest on forums to give it away at least? I don't wanna liquidate it lol. I guess I could still use it if it's the last piece of the set that I don't have for Mage type. Sigh..

Power!!

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[Motherless_Child]

It ain't pretty. I was so happy yesterday when I finally looted an amulet after more than 10m spent. Only to have Zeus mock my fame and glory when he pointed out I looted the wrong one. The tank one. Certainly doesn't have to be tradable but lemme at least hit up an npc and trade for the int type. I don't know what to do. Am i supposed to liquidate the 10m+ gold wrong amulet? Can I donate it to another tank at least? In hopes someone will donate the Mage type to me? I don't care about making gold off of it by selling it but at least let it get some use from someone. Can I hold a contest on forums to give it away at least? I don't wanna liquidate it lol. I guess I could still use it if it's the last piece of the set that I don't have for Mage type. Sigh..

Power!!

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Yeah...... That's screwed up..... Yesterday, after actually paying attention and researching I saw that after you do all of this endless, "finger crossing" farming for the molds "N" stuff and/or spending a hefty amount of gold on them you still have to deal with the fact that when you craft (talking about armor) you are taking, yet, ANOTHER risk at gambling for the armor that ACTUALLY suits you because there are 4 different types per class..... That kind of threw me off and put a lot of speed bumps in front of me............ Not cool............. And the fact that I now know if I want to take a gamble at the pendant I will have to be prepared for an INSANE loss acquiring something that I cannot sell or trade??????? Whats going on STS????

[Kriticality]

Yeah...... That's screwed up..... Yesterday, after actually paying attention and researching I saw that after you do all of this endless, "finger crossing" farming for the molds "N" stuff and/or spending a hefty amount of gold on them you still have to deal with the fact that when you craft (talking about armor) you are taking, yet, ANOTHER risk at gambling for the armor that ACTUALLY suits you..... That kind of threw me off and put a lot of speed bumps in front of me............ Not cool............. And the fact that I now know if I want to take a gamble at the pendant I will have to be prepared for an INSANE loss acquiring something that I cannot sell or trade??????? Whats going on STS????

This is why I was more than happy to buy the Mage belt but not so happy to buy molds. Even at 2.5m a mold as people are asking now lol. I'm not paying 7.5m for mold and 3.6m for coins just for s lottery ticket. Maybe I'll pay 500k-1m for mold. Pink beetle armor better for Mage anyway atm just has no upside. I'll wait. Try to loot some things myself in the interim.

[Ticklish]

It ain't pretty. I was so happy yesterday when I finally looted an amulet after more than 10m spent. Only to have Zeus mock my fame and glory when he pointed out I looted the wrong one. The tank one. Certainly doesn't have to be tradable but lemme at least hit up an npc and trade for the int type. I don't know what to do. Am i supposed to liquidate the 10m+ gold wrong amulet? Can I donate it to another tank at least? In hopes someone will donate the Mage type to me? I don't care about making gold off of it by selling it but at least let it get some use from someone. Can I hold a contest on forums to give it away at least? I don't wanna liquidate it lol. I guess I could still use it if it's the last piece of the set that I don't have for Mage type. Sigh..

Power!!



I do wish they'll make an NPC for trading the amulet. 10+m spent on looting an item only to get the wrong type is downright depressing. Not a lot of people have gold to burn. How about this: Trade in wrong amulet + 500 (or 1000) cryo coins for the correct amulet type. Yes, it may entail spending more for the cryo coins, but at least it's no longer RNG dependent, and we are still able to support the market for those who sell cryo coins.

[Bidiel]

I know, now think in the people who dont have the money to "just" buy them, for example i has been farming the last 7 days the mold, but guess what, nothing and nothing, only 6 gold heretic chest, do u think i will loot the pendant on.that 6 gold chest? and this thing of farm the set stuff to finally can farm the same.maps that i was farming before is enjoy? I dont have the gold to just buy the stuff nd.done, and the time well i guess is not enought, taking in consideratiom.that i was farming.only the first mold, i dont wanna think what about the belt and helm drop rate.

[Legallyblonde]

i love how people are sinking millions of gold and time into this set when sts said there's going to be a BETTER set released in the very near future.

[Schnitzel]

i love how people are sinking millions of gold and time into this set when sts said there's going to be a BETTER set released in the very near future.

If you mean that upgraded underhul set, i remember them saying somewhere that the normal underhul set is required to get the upgraded underhul set

[Kriticality]

If you mean that upgraded underhul set, i remember them saying somewhere that the normal underhul set is required to get the upgraded underhul set

That is accurate. You need this complete set to upgrade it to the better one. That's why some of us are trying to loot this set. This one is like 26 and 31 mythics. Need this to get the upgrade. Every piece.

[creeepycreeepy]

If you mean that upgraded underhul set, i remember them saying somewhere that the normal underhul set is required to get the upgraded underhul set
Upgrade mythic underhul set?

[Untung]

Upgrade mythic underhul set?

He mean antignome

[Kriticality]

I told this issue on first day of release. People told me dont complain its good as it is leave the game if you dont like it.

now this threads starting to apeear.

Well intention of making it this way is for making coin market and molds active for long period of time. Make us farm for it again and again until we get right armor. or to buy it simply from high price on auc.

On the other hand gold heretic chest amulet has to have a vendor or sth to exchange it in your class gear piece, like in kriticals position.

Yes bc it literally will just sit there. I don't know what to do with it lol. I'll pay coins to convert it too np to further help the coin market.

[Kakashis]

Be like me. Spend 10m, don't get the amulet, give up on the set.

[Ticklish]

Be like me. Spend 10m, don't get the amulet, give up on the set.

Yikes. I've only spent 1m++, but yeah it seems pointless, especially after today's announcement about a new arcane pendant.

[Kakashis]

Yikes. I've only spent 1m++, but yeah it seems pointless, especially after today's announcement about a new arcane pendant.

Yup, that's the one I'm getting only if it's better than the Planar amulet. This Arcane pendent has huge shoes to fill

[Elgrablyx]

i love how people are sinking millions of gold and time into this set when sts said there's going to be a BETTER set released in the very near future.
Maybe because this set would be able to help you get the other set.

[BabVna]

Maybe because this set would be able to help you get the other set.

I hope lvl 36 set is last one of upgraded. No more upgrades of sets pls.

[Kriticality]

I hope lvl 36 set is last one of upgraded. No more upgrades of sets pls.

They already said this one will be upgraded. That's the whole reason most of us are getting it.

[Hercules]

+1000 I agree with you

[acewasabi]

I hope lvl 36 set is last one of upgraded. No more upgrades of sets pls.

I don't think underhul set will be upgraded like 36 mythics, it will be more like how you have to complete orc slaying set before you can get the quest for glintstone set. pretty sure i remember some dev saying the 'upgrade' underhul set is a separate set.

[Ticklish]

This really needs to be looked into. I feel like being sucked in a whirlpool of new gear, quests and so many changes. Yet we haven't even made any headway on the Antignome set which was released only 2 weeks ago.

[Anyona]

After spending around 3m on those gold chests, I have given up. Yet to loot or see any set items drop in about 200ish runs. It's getting pretty ridiculous


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[will0]

i dont even own a single mold / gear even running normal maps for days :) tell me about it .. end game ??

[bonjovi3223]

Be like me. Spend 10m, don't get the amulet, give up on the set.
I want to be like you. How about a free loan of 10m?

[Kakashis]

After spending around 3m on those gold chests, I have given up. Yet to loot or see any set items drop in about 200ish runs. It's getting pretty ridiculous

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Yup, don't bother spending your gold anymore. It's not going to come.



I want to be like you. How about a free loan of 10m?

Haha unfortunately that's most of my fortune down the hatch. If gold grew on trees and I had unlimited supply I would have kept opening. This simply isn't the case and at least my gold has gone to support farmers in the game :) not many gold chests were owned by any single player. Looked to be chests from many did different players xD

[Ticklish]

I know someone who made an antignome armor and it wasn't the one he wanted. Couple of days later, he gambled and made another one, but got the same type. That's BS. Too much RNG. Give us a CHOICE here.

[Kriticality]

I know someone who made an antignome armor and it wasn't the one he wanted. Couple of days later, he gambled and made another one, but got the same type. That's BS. Too much RNG. Give us a CHOICE here.

Lololooool I almost made another one too. Readin this tho it sounds silly. I need to chill out. Tick get me that Helm!!

[Tatman]

Craft armor. Get an undesired type. Go craft station. Undesired armor + some more ingredients (1 mold, for example) = another shot at your desired type. Rinse and repeat until you get the armor you want.

Or a new NPC where you can exchange your armor for ingredients (with a fee of course, say the equivalent of 1 mold again). Something similar can work for amulets too.

[Ticklish]

Lololooool I almost made another one too. Readin this tho it sounds silly. I need to chill out. Tick get me that Helm!!

Yeah we all do. What you want another one for? You ain't no pve! :P

[Ticklish]

Craft armor. Get an undesired type. Go craft station. Undesired armor + some more ingredients (1 mold, for example) = another shot at your desired type. Rinse and repeat until you get the armor you want.

Or a new NPC where you can exchange your armor for ingredients (with a fee of course, say the equivalent of 1 mold again). Something similar can work for amulets too.

Agreed! We shouldn't have to gamble endlessly. First crates and gold chests. Now this.

[CptAwsome]

Has this been looked into yet by devs??
I too just spent a lot of gold on getting the Antignome vest and got the least desirable one.. Sucks that's I'm stuck with this unless I sell it but I'll have to sell for cheaper then I crafted... I was thinking I could do that and buy the items to craft another chest but I might end up getting the same chests piece I started with..


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[Terminhater]

I learnt a painful lesson from the mythic glintstone armour quest. All that effort, gold and plat went to waste! From my experience, new expansion arrived and it all seemed fruitless. This seems like dejavu to me, so I'll avoid it like a plague.

[Att]

I have stoped farming geting set item drop is impossible