Things that need to be fixed to achieve pvp balance

[reiewaun]

There are lot of things need to be fixed in endgame pvp
A) rogues being useless in clashes .Can be fixed by
1) introducing limit of each clash able join a map(its kinda hard I don't really agree with it)
2)getting new weapon on rogues with good procs like wars already have found with lava pools and also by adding lot of damage and secondary stats(Mana,armor,hp) on the new higher priced weaps(this way no need to Nerf all rogues and rebalance pvp)
3) rebalance pvp making all classes able kill each other even and not make a checked of which class kill which in vs.Also need buff rogues to get pvp useful again
B) Nerf korruption aa.Some don't agree but there is very simple reason on why I believe I am right
Korruption was a free obtained pet and of legendary type
IT CAN'T be possible a free pet turns useless pet like and cost 7m .This is current value many bought 15m+ (me 35m).We all spend a fortune on sns and I don't see why a free pet can bring such a dramatic change on pvp like a new OP arcane pet is introduced.I believe those support keep Korruption same have never given out any serious amount of gold to pets and since Korruption OP they try get use of it.Ok u might want to keep up with other end gamers but this ain't a fair way.
Last one to change as to not remove at all the ability of heal but just not get any heal when someone is inside pool

[archerdrake]

another poor pet jaz like breeze :)

[Ydqm]

Tbh pvp is balanced, It's just that proc of arcane sword that is making them overpowered, Yeah mages are still the weak out of the 3 in a VS but they're important for a clash.

So, Nerf sword and pvp will be good

[reiewaun]

Adding as an option extra to make smaller the area of Korruption pool,saw it on other thread,can a DEV reply if there is going to be change on as of Korruption or is it a closed case,nothing ,changes on it?
An official answer would make things clear ty

[capeo]

Wow, another balance thread. They will never make everyone happy. I think they should go back to no buffs or nerfs. Maybe no pets or weapons either.

[glendame]

Tbh pvp is balanced, It's just that proc of arcane sword that is making them overpowered, Yeah mages are still the weak out of the 3 in a VS but they're important for a clash.

So, Nerf sword and pvp will be good

I agree! PvP is balance but warriors Arcane Sword is op (not the sword but the proc. Put it this way, all warr need to do is proc the sword, axe, ss then gg in 2sec that's in vs mode.
That's all there is to it. I've been in a 3v3 clash with 6 warrs total, the story goes like the more fire proc you make the better chances of winning. XD. Let's put it this way, mage staff proc won't make much of a difference in PvP, rogues proc definitely won't either. Don't get me wrong I play a warr too and I've got a lot of warr friends than any other class and they do agree with the arc sword op'ness. Gl and have fun.

[Aceztriker]

Yah I agree with you in nerfing korruption. Korruption is just legendary and it is free from the goblin event and even the goblin event was gone it is still lootable in massive glintergoblin chest. Like sns korruption creates a pool. the pool created by sns which is an arcane pet the color green heals while the violet/purple damages. But does not drain mana but korruption does. Mana is realy important especially in pvp. Basic needs of a player is mana and hp thats why i think potions are created but potions cant be used in pvp. In pve when u lost mana u use mana potion if u dont use u got die but in pvp u cant use mana potion so if u ran out of mana u cant heal yourself or even try to kill first before the korruption user kills you

[reiewaun]

Yah I agree with you in nerfing korruption. Korruption is just legendary and it is free from the goblin event and even the goblin event was gone it is still lootable in massive glintergoblin chest. Like sns korruption creates a pool. the pool created by sns which is an arcane pet the color green heals while the violet/purple damages. But does not drain mana but korruption does. Mana is realy important especially in pvp. Basic needs of a player is mana and hp thats why i think potions are created but potions cant be used in pvp. In pve when u lost mana u use mana potion if u dont use u got die but in pvp u cant use mana potion so if u ran out of mana u cant heal yourself or even try to kill first before the korruption user kills you
Exactly and since wars and mages only ones using Korruption u can't kill them instantly so u out of Mana without even able to spam 2 x times aim box pierce

[Robhawk]

Yeah mages are still the weak out of the 3 in a VS but they're important for a clash.
So, Nerf sword and pvp will be good

Well the easiest VS for a mage is a VS warrior these days! If you cant kill arcane sword warriors in a VS your skills or/and your gear totally suck... All you need is timing between nekro, shield and heal and no warrior will be able to kill you in a vs while the warrior will die after the heal when jugger is on cooldown.

[reiewaun]

Well the easiest VS for a mage is a VS warrior these days! If you cant kill arcane sword warriors in a VS your skills or/and your gear totally suck... All you need is timing between nekro, shield and heal and no warrior will be able to kill you in a vs while the warrior will die after the heal when jugger is on cooldown.

I agree I don't think lava needs Nerf,lava made wars useful on pve ,they were a Bardon on pve and that's why when I started game I dropped it,now I use war and rogue,rogues need new gear with good procs and secondary stats,hope sts reads these

[dinzly]

Yah I agree with you in nerfing korruption. Korruption is just legendary and it is free from the goblin event and even the goblin event was gone it is still lootable in massive glintergoblin chest. Like sns korruption creates a pool. the pool created by sns which is an arcane pet the color green heals while the violet/purple damages. But does not drain mana but korruption does. Mana is realy important especially in pvp. Basic needs of a player is mana and hp thats why i think potions are created but potions cant be used in pvp. In pve when u lost mana u use mana potion if u dont use u got die but in pvp u cant use mana potion so if u ran out of mana u cant heal yourself or even try to kill first before the korruption user kills you
dont u know that stampy now can cancel the korruption pool??

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[reiewaun]

dont u know that stampy now can cancel the korruption pool??

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dont u know that stampy is arcane pet worth 2m ??must spend 2m to obtain and not only this also until u use stampy aa the damage on mana is made
so 2m pet vs a free pet the free pet wins,helloooo

[Fredystern]

Buffung rogues again lol, mage are weak in clash these day since mage will got alot of stun from sword since shield only active longest time around 14s, amd rogue could break mage shield easily, then buffing rogues again? No way i wont agree with that anymore. Im sure you are using rogue, since mage now was only mana healer and do abit damage, in other hand rogue got very high critical chance and very high critical output, 2-3 combo will break mage shield, then warrior i not really want to say anything about warrior since i think warrior now was in a perfect state. Actually in 46-48 pvp i think its already balance, just dont say anything about how to balance pvp because you get farmed by other class and you say that class was OP and ur class was need buff =.=

[Justg]

"Scissors is fine, nerf Paper" - Rock

[herculeans]

Don't take everything thing as money korruption was for people who couldn't afford a good pet

[reiewaun]

Buffung rogues again lol, mage are weak in clash these day since mage will got alot of stun from sword since shield only active longest time around 14s, amd rogue could break mage shield easily, then buffing rogues again? No way i wont agree with that anymore. Im sure you are using rogue, since mage now was only mana healer and do abit damage, in other hand rogue got very high critical chance and very high critical output, 2-3 combo will break mage shield, then warrior i not really want to say anything about warrior since i think warrior now was in a perfect state. Actually in 46-48 pvp i think its already balance, just dont say anything about how to balance pvp because you get farmed by other class and you say that class was OP and ur class was need buff =.= do u play other game? Cause u definently not related to it if u think mages are paper on clash and useless go back to pve or go practice,it pvp skills are 0%,btw I am surely not farmed by u whoever u are,u gotta be really skilled or it war is paper so u end up inside lava pools, rogues pierce gun mages fire from distance probably u need rethink the way u play,I play all 3 clashes , I know what's best in pvp better than u

[reiewaun]

"Scissors is fine, nerf Paper" - Rock
Lol justg u gotta be joking ;p
I believe u mean rogues are the paper ,rocks the war,I not sure and not good with riddles.Just clarify us if Korruption is planned to be needed and rogues to be buffed or get something ,an <aid> to get back useful

[Niixed]

Everyone has an opinion, but what's missing is some facts and metrics.

Ok so you're struggling as a rogue, but does that mean all rogues are struggling like you are? You say rogues are "useless" but aren't you still getting kills?

This is how things should be, imo:


Below Average Rogue = more deaths than kills.
Average Rogue = equal number of kills and deaths.
Above Average Rogue = more kills than deaths.

I think that when you say "useless" you might be saying that you aren't getting the number of kills per death you were used to.

Rogues get to kill a lot, but true balance demands they have die a lot too. You gotta pay the price, you don't get something for nothing. Equivalent exchange, ya know. Before, Rouges had the unfair advantage. They killed too much and died too little.

That being said the possibility still exists that Rouges are not as balanced as they should be. BUT the probability is small and only STS has access to those metrics.

My advice is to Rogues is to try very hard to adapt to your environment and then, after A LOT of trying, present your argument to STS. They will be more likely to listen at that point.

[Zeus]

Everyone has an opinion, but what's missing is some facts and metrics.

Ok so you're struggling as a rogue, but does that mean all rogues are struggling like you are? You say rogues are "useless" but aren't you still getting kills?


Below Average Rogue = more deaths than kills.
Average Rogue = equal number of kills and deaths.
Above Average Rogue = more kills than deaths.

I think that when you say "useless" you might be saying that you aren't getting the number of kills per death you were used to.

Rogues get to kill a lot, but true balance demands they have die a lot too. You gotta pay the price, you don't get something for nothing. Equivalent exchange, ya know. Before, Rouges had the unfair advantage. They killed too much and died too little.

That being said the possibility still exists that Rouges are not as balanced as they should be. BUT the probability is small and only STS has access to those metrics.

My advice is to Rogues is to try very hard to adapt to your environment and then, after A LOT of trying, present your argument to STS. They will be more likely to listen at that point.

In any FFA or clash based scenario, where a rogue has to fight strictly warriors and mages, the rogue simply gets farmed. It doesn't matter how good he is, it doesn't matter how much gear he has...he gets farmed. The only exception to this is if the other team doesn't really have any clue what they are doing. Now, if that rogue is replaced with a mediocre mage...somehow, the clash or FFA turns to the favor of the team that previously had the rogue. This is something I've seen on a daily basis for the past 6 months, if not more. It really sucks, it's not fun for anyone who plays a rogue, and it forces these dedicated rogue players to either quit PvP or make one of the other classes - neither of which are OK options.

I don't think STG's data shows this, correct me if I am wrong. Frankly, you cannot ask the other side to balance teams. People are going to do whatever it takes to win, whether it is fair or not. Thus, that is why people have been asking for class restrictions. STG does not need to balance anything if they put forced class restrictions in PvP.

[reiewaun]

In any FFA or clash based scenario, where a rogue has to fight strictly warriors and mages, the rogue simply gets farmed. It doesn't matter how good he is, it doesn't matter how much gear he has...he gets farmed. The only exception to this is if the other team doesn't really have any clue what they are doing. Now, if that rogue is replaced with a mediocre mage...somehow, the clash or FFA turns to the favor of the team that previously had the rogue. This is something I've seen on a daily basis for the past 6 months, if not more. It really sucks, it's not fun for anyone who plays a rogue, and it forces these dedicated rogue players to either quit PvP or make one of the other classes - neither of which are OK options.

I don't think STG's data shows this, correct me if I am wrong. Frankly, you cannot ask the other side to balance teams. People are going to do whatever it takes to win, whether it is fair or not. Thus, that is why people have been asking for class restrictions. STG does not need to balance anything if they put forced class restrictions in PvP.
I don't think I have to say anything than agree 99%,cause even if a mage for example of gear 300k just activates aa,the damage is made,so even if he doesn't know what he does ,only spam,( which always that happens they not skilled) with such gear,u still lose all it Mana ,in a class no Mana u are dead rogue,it happened to me so none can question how Korruption unbalanches pvp,and for those wonder if I not good geared my damage is 1,065 k and critic 50%

[Plqgue]

"Scissors is fine, nerf Paper" - Rock
+1 perfect reply

[reiewaun]

+1 perfect reply

Since its perfect reply u might wanna explain it to me too,probably I lost some episode

[Azrizal Rahimy]

HUH!!!Im just a mage but been ganged by rogues.....Scared rogue...

[Plqgue]

Since its perfect reply u might wanna explain it to me too,probably I lost some episode

Everytime a player gets killed in pvp they blame this or that instead of adjusting their skills to adapt to a arcane ability or gear progression. Instead of asking for buffs and Nerf's figure out what it takes to win....simple

[Justg]

Since its perfect reply u might wanna explain it to me too,probably I lost some episode

Rock Paper Scissors : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock-paper-scissors


Scissors is fine, nerf Paper

Rock is fine, nerf Scissors

Paper is fine, nerf Rock

[Plqgue]

Rock Paper Scissors : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock-paper-scissors

+10000000000000

[Kriticality]

I think buffing the mana over time upgrade for heal could be helpful. If I'm not mistaken it's only 5 mana per tick regen. If it actually worked I would spec it for sure.


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[resurrected]

Lmao Justg XD rekt

[Niixed]

In any FFA or clash based scenario, where a rogue has to fight strictly warriors and mages, the rogue simply gets farmed. It doesn't matter how good he is, it doesn't matter how much gear he has...he gets farmed. The only exception to this is if the other team doesn't really have any clue what they are doing. Now, if that rogue is replaced with a mediocre mage...somehow, the clash or FFA turns to the favor of the team that previously had the rogue. This is something I've seen on a daily basis for the past 6 months, if not more. It really sucks, it's not fun for anyone who plays a rogue, and it forces these dedicated rogue players to either quit PvP or make one of the other classes - neither of which are OK options.

I don't think STG's data shows this, correct me if I am wrong. Frankly, you cannot ask the other side to balance teams. People are going to do whatever it takes to win, whether it is fair or not. Thus, that is why people have been asking for class restrictions. STG does not need to balance anything if they put forced class restrictions in PvP.

Rogue skills are mostly designed to take down a single target quickly, so it makes sense that they wouldn't perform as well as a mage in a team environment. Clashes in AL normally boil down to a single point of engagement on the map where every member of each team is going at it. It's a mob environment, which warriors and mages are well designed to handle. Strategy involves merely overpowering the other team. Whomever can call upon the most power wins. This is actually why I don't like clashes; they don't require enough finesse, savvy, or intelligence for the individual player.

If you throw the assassin class on the front lines, you can expect them to perform poorly. However, if one team were to implement a strategy to break up the enemy into smaller factions, the Rogue should be able to shine. It is in a Rogue's best interest to break up the big fight into smaller groups that they can pick off individuals or small teams. Therein lies the struggle, Rogues should try to shift the battlefield to their advantage instead of tossing themselves into the mosh pit.

[Zeus]

Rogue skills are mostly designed to take down a single target quickly, so it makes sense that they wouldn't perform as well as a mage in a team environment. Clashes in AL normally boil down to a single point of engagement on the map where every member of each team is going at it. It's a mob environment, which warriors and mages are well designed to handle. Strategy involves merely overpowering the other team. Whomever can call upon the most power wins. This is actually why I don't like clashes; they don't require enough finesse, savvy, or intelligence for the individual player.

If you throw the assassin class on the front lines, you can expect them to perform poorly. However, if one team were to implement a strategy to break up the enemy into smaller factions, the Rogue should be able to shine. It is in a Rogue's best interest to break up the big fight into smaller groups that they can pick off individuals or small teams. Therein lies the battle, Rogues should try to shift the battlefield to their advantage instead of tossing themselves into the mosh pit.

I already do that, but with mage, all they do is shield and can rush through the obstacles to get to the rogue. Unlike rogue, mage shield lasts a great deal of time and is immune to any stuns, debuffs, etc. A rogue can go razor, but that further reduces a rogue's damage output to the point where it is no longer effective.

Trust me, I've tried just about every strategy there is and there is not one that really works. There's a lot of variables in play aside from just singling out a specific target...axe set, wether the tank is going to be on jugg. The DPS does not really cross their tanks, so the only thing one will be singling out is the tanks.

Assassin class does not even dominate in a 1v1 scenario, so what are they supposed to be good at, really?

[Kriticality]

I already do that, but with mage, all they do is shield and can rush through the obstacles to get to the rogue. Unlike rogue, mage shield lasts a great deal of time and is immune to any stuns, debuffs, etc. A rogue can go razor, but that further reduces a rogue's damage output to the point where it is no longer effective.

Trust me, I've tried just about every strategy there is and there is not one that really works. There's a lot of variables in play aside from just singling out a specific target...axe set, wether the tank is going to be on jugg. The DPS does not really cross their tanks, so the only thing one will be singling out is the tanks.

Assassin class does not even dominate in a 1v1 scenario, so what are they supposed to be good at, really?

Dodge

Hahahahaha


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[Kingofninjas]

I think buffing the mana over time upgrade for heal could be helpful. If I'm not mistaken it's only 5 mana per tick regen. If it actually worked I would spec it for sure.


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As far as I know, korruption cancels heal over time, which is why tanks complain rightfully about juggernaut "breaking". It does the same for horn and mages heal as well. In fact, only rogues packs and mages heal skill initial massive heal work now. Mana over time would fall under the heal over time category, and buffing this would not really help with the korruption issue.

[Niixed]

I already do that, but with mage, all they do is shield and can rush through the obstacles to get to the rogue. Unlike rogue, mage shield lasts a great deal of time and is immune to any stuns, debuffs, etc. A rogue can go razor, but that further reduces a rogue's damage output to the point where it is no longer effective.

Trust me, I've tried just about every strategy there is and there is not one that really works. There's a lot of variables in play aside from just singling out a specific target...axe set, wether the tank is going to be on jugg. The DPS does not really cross their tanks, so the only thing one will be singling out is the tanks.

Assassin class does not even dominate in a 1v1 scenario, so what are they supposed to be good at, really?

I do believe you, Zeus, I hear you exasperation. I think that Rogues need a little TLC, and kills are by no means the only metric. Fun-ness is actually a more important metric. If playing a Rogue in PvP isn't much fun for most Rogue players, then something is probably wrong. I remember when playing a sorcerer in PvP was a form of masochism and how long and hard we had to fight for change. I feel like a good overall balance is close, but not quite there yet.

STS, can you please take a closer look at the Rogue class, again? Maybe something can be incremented one way or another.

[reiewaun]

Everytime a player gets killed in pvp they blame this or that instead of adjusting their skills to adapt to a arcane ability or gear progression. Instead of asking for buffs and Nerf's figure out what it takes to win....simple

Lol I can vs u anytime u like and u can check my gear boy,I am from few rogues able kill full glib war with Nekro or sns,azicheebahan my rogue acc,my bro property though

[epicrrr]

Too much nerf buff we might end up breaking it more, its a hard aspect where the game mechanics cant please everybody BUT all class has ups and down i say focus more on what your chosen class can do (skill wise, pet combo, synergy with other people, timing , hand-eye coordination, good internet :))))), good people to play with) and be good at it.

[DLQ]

"Scissors is fine, nerf Paper" - Rock

I think its easy to dev make a char (all job) at every level with maxed gear, and try doin vs and clash by yourself.

56 lvl to try maybe just need a week or so.

You'll know which job is OP and which one is hopeless. Noted that every tier have their own rules, for example maybe rog in end game is useless in clash, but rog in twink is OP.

#dont believe others except you see with your own eyes#

[reiewaun]

I think buffing the mana over time upgrade for heal could be helpful. If I'm not mistaken it's only 5 mana per tick regen. If it actually worked I would spec it for sure.


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No papa its way more on rogues ,u mage good mana Regen and with it stats u don't really face a problem against the aa,in rogues is around 100 ,I think so I let zeus confirm I am not calculating I just face lack of mana if I am inside aa pool and spam,I can do around 3-4 full skills spam repeats before I hit 0% mana,at that point not much to do when no mage in team

[reiewaun]

Rock Paper Scissors : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock-paper-scissors

Why don't we say things like are for example buff rogues Nerf wars,so much easier,we talking with riddles and I ain't much of familiar with spr game
Justg I don't mind how will balance be achieved,buffs nerfs etc ,we generally care to have pvp balance

[Kriticality]

No papa its way more on rogues ,u mage good mana Regen and with it stats u don't really face a problem against the aa,in rogues is around 100 ,I think so I let zeus confirm I am not calculating I just face lack of mana if I am inside aa pool and spam,I can do around 3-4 full skills spam repeats before I hit 0% mana,at that point not much to do when no mage in team

I understand the frustration. I clashed against 2 korruption the other day. There were a couple times where I found myself with 0 mana. I will say that it does feel "breezish" in that you need korruption on your team as well or else you lose basically. Also I'm not sure if shield first two seconds make you immune to it. That pet does seem to undermine most other pets. On the other hand I didn't find the clash to be THAT much different than normal. I like concept of mana drain but maybe make stats much worse and make the circle half the size.


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[reiewaun]

Irelia is right there are obvious signs of imbalance
Papa u right I believe u understood what I trying express,Korruption is40% of my unsatisfaction cause I use war and rogue mainly so it has a big effect and a change on pvp .Lets Not forget it is a free legendary pet not an arcane and locked,u are plat spender if all good pets where free why should u spend money on ,it must be reworked the way u said which I proposed from beginning of thread,that change is called in general Nerf xd its too OP for a free legendary rarity,it makes sns useless 60%

[reiewaun]

Opening third page

[soon]

"Scissors is fine, nerf Paper" - Rock



rogues are rock, always thought it was scissors

[reiewaun]

rogues are rock, always thought it was scissors

U sure ? I understood same as u thought and rocks to be wars ;;;;pp,zzz that what causes to talk with riddles

[reiewaun]

Then you must not have the skills it takes to win if you have to cry on forums every time you die little girl
U are obviously a spoiled kid ,I don't need to start cursing cause I will fall to ur lvl ,just post ur noob ign and come show u who cries,none invited u to thread,exit door is a click on x