Which is better for survivability nature or diamond?

[Plqgue]

I've been wondering which would be better to socket to help me survive

[Trancemaster]

In my opinion nature because I'm guessing you're a mage and mages need health. I use nature myself and give me a good health boost.

[Litheus]

I think at low levels health will help you more than armour but as you level up armour will help u more

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[Plqgue]

So I should use diamond in my arlor and lep instead of nature?

[Trancemaster]

Natures are useless for mages. Fury jewels incase you want hp.

They're not "useless". They still increase health. They're the cheap version of fury jewels and he was asking which is better; nature or diamond.

[resurrected]

They're not "useless". They still increase health. They're the cheap version of fury jewels and he was asking which is better; nature or diamond.
Keep in mind that fury is just a very very very little less hp than nature if you compare them both. And fury increase also your survivability by buffing your shield and hp. So you getting 2 things instead one. Fury is definitely better.

[Trancemaster]

Keep in mind that fury is just a very very very little less hp than nature if you compare them both. And fury increase also your survivability by buffing your shield and hp. So you getting 2 things instead one. Fury is definitely better.

Well yes of course, but I never said fury is worse then nature. Keep in mind that he's not asking about fury. He's asking about nature and diamond

[Ipoopsy]

Well yes of course, but I never said fury is worse then nature. Keep in mind that he's not asking about fury. He's asking about nature and diamond

Most players never read what's being ask....sad.

[Plqgue]

Could you guys go start a thread to argue about whether fury or nature is better and stop derailing my thread lol

[Ninthplague]

If you have low health go with nature, if you have high health go with diamond

[Faliziaga]

I have a Dev's quote in my head saying that nature is more useful than diamond.

[Psychoism]

Nature is the best! And the cheapest! Mages need hp boost. So i prefer nature ;)

[ilhanna]

I have a Dev's quote in my head saying that nature is more useful than diamond.

If I remember correctly it's Vroom saying that in the long run having more health is better than having more armor. I don't have time now to find the actual quote but to my recollection he didn't specify jewels.

[Iockedcrate]

If I remember correctly it's Vroom saying that in the long run having more health is better than having more armor. I don't have time now to find the actual quote but to my recollection he didn't specify jewels.

u need both,but yes nature is better
because armor lowers the damage you receive BUT that damage still takes your hp.High armor and low hp isnt that good bcuz u survive close to death,but high hp and low armor you can take a bad hit and still remain some hp

[resurrected]

Well yes of course, but I never said fury is worse then nature. Keep in mind that he's not asking about fury. He's asking about nature and diamond
I know what he asked for but isn't better to give him solution that will cost only a little more and will be way better?

Most players never read what's being ask....sad.
I did read the beginning and i bet avikk too. But if someone find way better solution so why dont say it to help forum community?

[Horme]

IMO Nature better, cause I feel armor that diamond jewel gave isn't that big for high level, maybe need to re-scale? Idk. Jewel like Nature and Diamond will show their high performance when you put all of it in your gear (Full Nature or Full Diamond), well of course it make lower anothers stat.

[aneshsinghblu]

more health is better cause health can't be debuff while armor can

[Plqgue]

Could you please tell us what class you play?

None of your posts tell us what class you play

As I state in a lot of my posts I play all three classes mage as my main

[Plqgue]

I know what he asked for but isn't better to give him solution that will cost only a little more and will be way better?

I did read the begging, and i bet avikk too. But if someone find way better solution so why dont say it to help forum community?

It's not a better solution as I don't use shield when farming km3 so the str boost is senseless please go derail a different thread

[Suentous PO]

I have a Dev's quote in my head saying that nature is more useful than diamond.

My friend gave me some advice when I came back, and that is exactly how he put it. That a dev said generally
health > diamond

[Psychoism]

more health is better cause health can't be debuff while armor can

True! Gale Force (Charged) Can buff your armor :banana:

[Ipoopsy]

I know what he asked for but isn't better to give him solution that will cost only a little more and will be way better?

I did read the begging, and i bet avikk too. But if someone find way better solution so why dont say it to help forum community?

Where do you see he said he was begging in this topic? All he ask was which is better, Nature or Diamond jewels.

English must have been your second language or you probably use google translate on what he said...

[Plqgue]

Where do you see he said he was begging in this topic? All he ask was which is better, Nature or Diamond jewels.

English must have been your second language or you probably use google translate on what he said...

He may have meant beginning IDK but I've figured from the posts here that nature will be better for my Lep and Arlor than diamond

[resurrected]

It's not a better solution as I don't use shield when farming km3 so the str boost is senseless please go derail a different thread
You didn't mentioned for what so i suggested best solution. Derail isn't speak your opinion. Since you asked for survivability you playing mage then shield come in mind automatically.
Please next time maybe make post clear.


Where do you see he said he was begging in this topic? All he ask was which is better, Nature or Diamond jewels.

English must have been your second language or you probably use google translate on what he said...

Typos happens. I use keyboard with dictionary to typing faster and it change words sometimes. And yes English is my second language. I learned it by my self since i don't have this language in school. Others don't have problems with that oh and by the way I'm sure of what i saying


Edit : Edited typos!

[Plqgue]

You didn't mentioned for what so i suggested best solution. Derail isn't speak your opinion. Since you asked for survivability you playing mage then shield come in mind automatically.
Please next time maybe make post clear.



Typos happens. I use keyboard with dictionary to typing faster and it change words sometimes. And yes English is my second language. I learned it by my self since i don't have this language in school. Others don't have problems with that oh and by the way I'm sure of what i saying


Edit : Edited typos!

My post literally says diamond or nature do you see fury in there?

[resurrected]

My post literally says diamond or nature do you see fury in there?
No i don't. But can't i suggest better solution? Oh sorry i won't do it anymore :)

[Plqgue]

If you r dieing in km3 it can only be because if two reasons.

Pm me ign and I'll try to explain how you can avoid being squashed by Harley or over hugged by mobs.

Hope the hints sufficed. If nott you know my ign.



When you post an ambiguous question like that, you shouldn't really expect clear replies.

Most of us don't have the time to go through a lot of your posts.

If I asked a question and someone took the time to answer it, I would be thankful to say the least.

I'm only dying once or twice a day and I'm just asking because I want to know if HP or armor will help me more

[Energizeric]

It really depends on your build.

1) Do you have passive armor points? If yes, then diamond jewels become more useful since their value is increased

2) Do you use Gale Force as one of your skills? If so, then the armor buff becomes stronger with diamond jewels.

3) Do you use lifegiver with the health regen upgrade? If so, then having more health is likely better and then nature jewels would be better.

4) If you don't use lifegiver, or your lifegiver is weak because you don't use the health regen upgrade, or your damage is low (causing lifegiver to be weak), then having more health may not be so useful. Remember that if lifegiver cannot heal you all the way to 100% health, then you have more health than is useful, and then I would add some armor instead -- that is unless you only do PvE and then you can always use potions instead.

[Plqgue]

It really depends on your build.

1) Do you have passive armor points? If yes, then diamond jewels become more useful since their value is increased

2) Do you use Gale Force as one of your skills? If so, then the armor buff becomes stronger with diamond jewels.

3) Do you use lifegiver with the health regen upgrade? If so, then having more health is likely better and then nature jewels would be better.

4) If you don't use lifegiver, or your lifegiver is weak because you don't use the health regen upgrade, or your damage is low (causing lifegiver to be weak), then having more health may not be so useful. Remember that if lifegiver cannot heal you all the way to 100% health, then you have more health than is useful, and then I would add some armor instead -- that is unless you only do PvE and then you can always use potions instead.

I use both gale and lifegiver and they both work great ita just very rarely I'll get one hit or heal late so I die just wanted to see which would be better do you think a mix would do any good?

[aneshsinghblu]

debuffs will always override a buff of the same type. I'm sure there's no debuff for health

[Fredystern]

I prefer nature

[bonjovi3223]

The balance of nature & diamonds is very tricky for both mages and rogues with bows.

Based on all your gears & jewels & passive points (durable), you will need to run tests on elite maps to figure out what you need. I personally use elite rengol as my test ground.

I always prefer a slightly more survivability set up rather then a higher dmg set up. Higher dmg will get you killed outright if you pug a lot. My mage has: 5928 hp, 994.60 dmg & 1780 armor (without pet, with tavern housing buff). I find this sufficient to take a bomb hit in elite rengol & have time to spam pots to replenish the lost health.

I use a combo of noble nature & diamonds, 3-4 each i do not remember exactly. Hope this helps.

Note: Do not be the noob with super dmg to flaunt in towns. Be the noob who can stand his ground in elite maps (underhul excluded). :)

[Energizeric]

I use both gale and lifegiver and they both work great ita just very rarely I'll get one hit or heal late so I die just wanted to see which would be better do you think a mix would do any good?

Since you use gale, assuming that you have the +50% armor upgrade, then I would go with diamond jewels. They will be that much more powerful. The cool down for gale is 5.5 seconds, and it lasts 4 seconds. Assuming it takes a second to recast, then about 60% of the time your diamond jewels will count an extra 50%. So instead of +26 armor for a noble diamond jewel, it will be +39 for 4 out of every 6-7 seconds.

A good pet would be arcane deary because of the big armor buff. Everyone complained early on about arcane deary having a useless AA, but now you can change that out for a different pet's AA while still getting the nice arcane deary happiness bonus. For example, I have George's AA on my arcane deary -- very useful at bosses as it has a 100% stun rate.

[bonjovi3223]

Since you use gale, assuming that you have the +50% armor upgrade, then I would go with diamond jewels. They will be that much more powerful. The cool down for gale is 5.5 seconds, and it lasts 4 seconds. Assuming it takes a second to recast, then about 60% of the time your diamond jewels will count an extra 50%. So instead of +26 armor for a noble diamond jewel, it will be +39 for 4 out of every 6-7 seconds.

Even though your math may be correct, what you are talking over here is not practical. You have assumed a situation of a mage using charged gale continuously in order to keep his armor levels high. This is not possible esp in hard elite maps. I do not know any mages using charged gale in elite fights & those who may have perfected it, well respect to them.
I would therefore go for fixing core stats rather then doing partial fix & relying on buffs from skills, pets or pet aa. These kinda buffs should be treated as bonuses & not be considered when trying to fix core stas esp when its via jewel combinations. If mm or arc deary is tired, you lose the armor buff. .....then what? Not everyone feeds pets on a regular basis.
Just my thoughts :).

[AsHwín MP]

Well I have 5.65k hp n 1.65k armor. So which one should I go with?

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[acacia]

Thanks for the info!:tyrannosaurus::tyrannosaurus::tyrannosaurus:

[Plqgue]

The balance of nature & diamonds is very tricky for both mages and rogues with bows.

Based on all your gears & jewels & passive points (durable), you will need to run tests on elite maps to figure out what you need. I personally use elite rengol as my test ground.

I always prefer a slightly more survivability set up rather then a higher dmg set up. Higher dmg will get you killed outright if you pug a lot. My mage has: 5928 hp, 994.60 dmg & 1780 armor (without pet, with tavern housing buff). I find this sufficient to take a bomb hit in elite rengol & have time to spam pots to replenish the lost health.

I use a combo of noble nature & diamonds, 3-4 each i do not remember exactly. Hope this helps.

Note: Do not be the noob with super dmg to flaunt in towns. Be the noob who can stand his ground in elite maps (underhul excluded). :)
I wouldn't dare use my Lep and Arlor in elites LMAO