Plat gear > Director

[nzane]

Proving point:
plat gear vs custom

Custom gear: Full

Yet as I pulled a few mobs mitigating dmg was sub par as I was pummeled. Pummeled with no room or breather enough time to heal. Just as my heal ticked I was already dead.

My stat with Full custom as applied:
Int 175
Hit 98
Crit 13
Dodge 2
Health 443
Regen 2
Mana 524
Regen 3
Dmg 47-73
Dps: 100
Armor: 602

As you can see, survival is not the key with this set. Mana is yet unlimited. Never peaking down 60% . With no
de aggro. Taking aggro from a tank is dangerous business. As they can 1-2-3 you. It's what iv noticed.

Attribute with Custom set
Armor:
+60 = -1dmg
602 = -10dmg
Dps: 100
Hit: 13.4575+
Dmg: 10.9375+
Dps: 13.4575+
Mana: 140+
Dodge : 7



Plat gear: Full includes weapons

Int 150
Hit 82
Crit 13
Dodge 31
Health 363
Regen 2
Mana 453
Regen 2
Dmg 45-71
dps 97
Armor 552

Now, with little sacrifice in hp and int, iv noticed big big huge change. Change in survival. Now let me tell you. I was able to pull 2 mobs at once. Dodging was spammed across my char. The change was incridible. The only change was "dodge". I pushed forward to see how far I can solo. It was enough. Enough power to down director.

Attribute added: Platinum gear
Armor:
(+60 = -1dmg)
552 = -9.2
Dps: 97
Hit: 11.535+
Dmg: 9.375+
Dps: 11.535+
Mana: 120+
Dodge: 31


Hope this will help people in deciding between which gear is vital to acquire. Goodluck all.

Conclusion: Dodge is vital.


This is my opinion n not a flame:

Litlnzane - 31 - Engineer
Squidy Buddy! - 1 - Squid

[Ebalere]

Interesting ,although it is clear that the plat gear is more survival based, I still prefer custom for dealing damage, the Ops main job.

Edit: what guns are u using?

[nzane]

Swindler from plat store. It adds +4dodge. A replica of incinerator.

[Sassinya]

Interesting insights, thank you for sharing! My engineer is nearing 29 so I have been thinking heavily upon this subject.

[Zaltiar]

Hm good info nzane I have to say, dodge does play a huge factor in survivability and is as important as armor (more important in imo).
Damage only drops by a few points so healing wouldn't be affected too much. I'll try the plat set soon and test it out :)
Which implant are you using btw?

[nzane]

Dodger which adds dodge+5

[Acyer]

Yeah eng plat is tons better than custom for eng. But commando custom is better than plat. Each armor has its pros and cons.

[nzane]

Yeah eng plat is tons better than custom for eng. But commando custom is better than plat. Each armor has its pros and cons.

Yep, I was surprise at the difference. To be able to solo final boss director was an easy task. Plat gear for engineer is much better then custom indeed. Survival wise.

If your looking for more dps, check the difference

Plat dps: 97
Custom dps: 100

Not much of a difference.
Mana may last longer then with custom, but it's enough. I used maybe 6-7 mana stims during the fight. Better then spamming health Stims . Dodge is really effective.

[Zaltiar]

Tested it out, and am liking it :), used the dodge implant for a total of 27 dodge.
I haven't bought the plat weapon though, still using widow and a holo shield.
I can survive aggro hits, a lot more than when using the custom set. I can barely notice the decrease in mana and health as well.
Pretty good option if you don't have a good tank on your team.





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[nzane]

I edited with attributed added. I'll repost with weps and stats for each in a set. I'll post a full review, on the sets for engineers. Maybe for others as well.

[Growwle]

Plat gear has to be better or no one would spend real money on it.

[nzane]

Plat gear has to be better or no one would spend real money on it..


150 plat = 35,000k
10 plat per piece
1 plat = 233 credit
2,330 credit per piece
For all 5 = 11,650 credit

The custom set can set you back
90-100k

If your only way to buy stuff is through plats, it takes aprox 450 plats to afford the custom set. If you were to use plats to get credits.

[ProSophist]

Title is very misleading.
I'm assuming you meant plat gear > custom gear for ENGINEERS, not in general.

Plat gear might be better for Engineers, but definitely not for Ops and Coms.

If an Op was to wear Plat set, you would be gaining 4%hit and 20% dodge in place of 10% critical, 115 HP, 38 Mana, and 13 dps that you could get with the custom set.
As a primary damage source, it's not smart to sacrifice that much crit, let alone the dps, in exchange for a stat that does not give much relevance in PvE for Operatives.

As for Coms, the Plat set lacks tanking stats that a Com would need. Custom set has significantly more dodge(great for tanking), health and armor.

As for Engineers, this might be a great discovery. I've never been a fan of stacking armor on Engineers since the armor to damage ratio is very poor and you will still get pummeled when you get aggro via Transference. With that much dodge, it might work. But then again, I don't play an Engi. :)

[Deathpunch]

I think ill gives this a try.

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[nzane]

Title is very misleading.
I'm assuming you meant plat gear > custom gear for ENGINEERS, not in general.

Plat gear might be better for Engineers, but definitely not for Ops and Coms.

If an Op was to wear Plat set, you would be gaining 4%hit and 20% dodge in place of 10% critical, 115 HP, 38 Mana, and 13 dps that you could get with the custom set.
As a primary damage source, it's not smart to sacrifice that much crit, let alone the dps, in exchange for a stat that does not give much relevance in PvE for Operatives.

As for Coms, the Plat set lacks tanking stats that a Com would need. Custom set has significantly more dodge(great for tanking), health and armor.

As for Engineers, this might be a great discovery. I've never been a fan of stacking armor on Engineers since the armor to damage ratio is very poor and you will still get pummeled when you get aggro via Transference. With that much dodge, it might work. But then again, I don't play an Engi. :)

I meant for engineers. As I do am very aware of the stat for com n op's. I wish to edit the thread name and tried to no avail. Yet the discovery was made out of curiosity. I wanted to see is in fact dodge was a viable assets. Viable stat for engineers. Indeed it prove useful.

Surprisingly toooo well. I say this not due to me not having custom. And jealousy toward inability to acquire. I have both set. I wish to prefer custom, for looks, but at the end. I rather use the one with better stat.

[bronislav84]

This is VERY compelling evidence, buy until plat gear gets resale value or could be traded to other characters, which is HIGHLY unlikely to ever happen, I'm gonna wait until you could get 50% dodge. Just don't wanna effectively waste plat, because I'm on a limited budget of plat. When the level cap goes up, the plat gear becomes worthless with new plat gear being added. That's a big waste of money.

[nzane]

It seems, not everyone can use/buy platinum gear. As a fellow engineer, I do wish for all my people to be skilled in their job path. So I will release a guide, will consist of different spec and specialty, which will cater to either of the gear.

Comparisons I listed above for the gear. List of skills , tips, tricks on how to use them.

I know everyone is well known of the skill tree, but I would like to share my knowledge and my opinion, on how I use them.

Check back soon. On another thread.
Thank you for your post and opinions.

This is base on my opinions, not an attack nor a flame.

Litlnzane - 31 - Engineer
Squid Buddy - 1 - Squidy
(Neon Genesis)

[Ellyidol]

I agree, for engineers at least, plat gear > in-game gear.

Commandos/Ops though, like Pro said, the gear just differ and cater to different needs, not necessarily better or worse.

[Growwle]

Plat gear has to be better or no one would spend real money on it..


150 plat = 35,000k
10 plat per piece
1 plat = 233 credit
2,330 credit per piece
For all 5 = 11,650 credit

The custom set can set you back
90-100k

If your only way to buy stuff is through plats, it takes aprox 450 plats to afford the custom set. If you were to use plats to get credits.

It seems to take 5 director kills to even see a green drop and about 25 stims per run, unless you have a good group and low ping (very rare), so plat is very much worth it if you play casually.

[Ellyidol]

It seems to take 5 director kills to even see a green drop and about 25 stims per run, unless you have a good group and low ping (very rare), so plat is very much worth it if you play casually.

You do know that you can get all the purple gear you need from maps 2 and 3 though, right? No need to do director runs at all.

[Majik]

Nice way set up dude! I really like it:)

[Growwle]

It seems to take 5 director kills to even see a green drop and about 25 stims per run, unless you have a good group and low ping (very rare), so plat is very much worth it if you play casually.

You do know that you can get all the purple gear you need from maps 2 and 3 though, right? No need to do director runs at all.

Actually, I usually farm those levels for xp, cause I use far less stims, but the drop rate is still abysmal, or my luck is as bad as my lag spikes, lol

[Ellyidol]

Actually, I usually farm those levels for xp, cause I use far less stims, but the drop rate is still abysmal, or my luck is as bad as my lag spikes, lol

Lol :)

Just wanted to make sure you knew that there were easier maps to do for the gear, and not just Director.

Are rates different though? For the time-drop rate ratio, I'm inclined to say that maps 2 and 3 are better.

[Growwle]

Actually, I usually farm those levels for xp, cause I use far less stims, but the drop rate is still abysmal, or my luck is as bad as my lag spikes, lol

Lol :)

Just wanted to make sure you knew that there were easier maps to do for the gear, and not just Director.

Are rates different though? For the time-drop rate ratio, I'm inclined to say that maps 2 and 3 are better.

I can't tell, I have only received one purple component and only seen two purple items drop for group members on any of those maps since Slouch o launched, so the drop rate must be low.

[Zeromus]

If you can open the engineer only area at the beginning of Scorcher while having a group of mobs attacking you, imagine what any other fight would be like.

I have full plat gear and full custom gear on my engineer, Angelic, and i definitely have love for both.

Soloing tho, that 31 dodge is insanely beneficial. It's really something else.

Edit: I have definitely opened that engineer door several times while being bombarded, plat armor makes me feel invincible lol.

[BodMaster]

I can't tell, I have only received one purple component and only seen two purple items drop for group members on any of those maps since Slouch o launched, so the drop rate must be low.

Maybe just one anothers luck, I find that at least 4-5 drops within running the whole Sloucho map in one (nothing from director though) :)

[IBNobody]

Thanks for the stats, Nzane...

I had a few questions...

1. On both sets, were you wearing the dodge implant?
2. What shield were you using?
3. Can you post your base stats? Could you post your stats in all custom except for the helm?

I'm trying to work out the set bonus, and the 50 armor is throwing me off.

[THE Tesla]

lets not forget the biggest issue with using plat set.... i would lose my lightning!!!! no ty

[nzane]

Thanks for the stats, Nzane...

I had a few questions...

1. On both sets, were you wearing the dodge implant?

Just the platinum set , with dura-skin implant which provides +50 armor.( maybe that's the one that's throwing u off)

As for the dodge, it should be at 2 with custom set.



2. What shield were you using?

Modified Mark VI Holo Shield
9 str 5 dex 25 health 35 mana 144 armor



3. Can you post your base stats?


int 150
Hit 77
Crit 3
Dodge 2
Hp 218
Regen 2
Mana 234
Regen 2
Armor 53



Could you post your stats in all custom except for the helm?

Custom without helm

Int 166
Hit 90
Crit 11
Dodge 2
Hp 330
Regen 2
Mana 388
Regen 2
Armor 404

Edit: no weapon or shield are equip for the above stat. Only the custom set.



Now I did some investigation into bonus myself and figured slight difference when all set pieces are equipped. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Bonus set
Hit + 2%
Hp + 16
Mana + 37
Mana regen +1
Armor + 47

[IBNobody]

Hmm....

I think that I still don't have enough info. Varying your implant, weapon, and shield in the numbers you gave me make it difficult to back the numbers out.



No Cust Plat Cust Plat Weap Shield
Base Helm Set Set Stats Stats Stats Stats
Int 150 166 175 150 4 --- --- 9
Str --- --- --- --- --- --- --- 5
Hit 77 90 98 82 3 --- 4 ---
Crit 3 11 13 13 2 2 --- ---
Dodge 2 2 5 31 --- 4 4 ---
HP 218 330 443 363 25 20 --- 25
Regen 2 2 2 2 --- --- --- ---
MP 234 388 524 453 35 35 --- 20
Regen 2 2 3 2 --- --- --- ---
Armor 53 404 602 552 * * --- 144


I'm not sure how you derived your set bonus. Equipping your helm boosted your hit from 90 to 98? The regen is a set bonus - Commandos get +1 HP regen on their set (plus some extra HP). The rest of the bonuses you listed I'm not so sure about. They are significantly more than what Commando's get. Did you derive your set bonus by changing your weapons/shields/implants?

One final note... While I agree that the platinum dodge set is better, the damage difference between sets is more than just 3 DPS. Having more hit directly translates into more damage being dealt. The custom set does 15% more auto-attack damage, and possibly 15% more skill damage (assuming DOTs can miss).

[nzane]

Ok I know why

Here.
My weapon
The Incinerator
30-56dmg, 5int, 3hit, 45hp, 45mana

Shield:
Modified mark vi holo shield
9str, 5dex, 25hp, 20mana

Custom Armor with weapon/shield equipped
With helm

Int 175
Str 17
Hit 98
Crit 13
Dodge 2
Hp 443
Regen 2
Mana 524
Regen 3
Armor 602

Custom Armor with weapon/shield equipped
Without helm

Int 171
Str 17
Hit 95
Crit 11
Dodge 2
Hp 415
Regen 2
Mana 466
Regen 2
Armor 548

[IBNobody]

Thanks... That pretty much seals the deal on the bonus. It looks like it is +20 MP / +1 MP Recovery. (The extra 3 MP come from Int)

[Dredlok]

Thanks for the info

[nzane]

Thanks... That pretty much seals the deal on the bonus. It looks like it is +20 MP / +1 MP Recovery. (The extra 3 MP come from Int)

Ya, just figured. 501 without helm but addition of helm mana without bonus. Negative the amt 524 mana with bonus. 23 would be it. So 3 is from int.

[nzane]

I mix my number up to get the bonus set I got. I use the unequip wep stat vs equip wep stat. Just confused myself for a bit there.

[Yurimaru]

The 31 dodge set up is what I've been using since the 2nd day of the update after experimenting around. Prior to the update, I was doing the 25 dodge gear.