I just needed to ask...

[Sakurahb]

Why do 99% of the mages use heal in Graveyard/Mausoleum?

My main is not a mage but I have one and I wouldn't use heal in any pve map,i can't figure out why mages use it on those maps that's why I am asking .

So please can someone give at least ONE SOLID reason for the use of heal there?

[resurrected]

They try to copy graveyard mages xD

[Iuxor]

I Think The Majority Of It Is out Of Respect For The Party. . Along The Lines Of helping To Keep The Party Alive And Full Of Juice. . Theres Been A Long Time Debate Over 'to Heal Or Not To Heal'. . . .

I Sometimes WOnder Why other Classes Are STill Bluntly Saying "mana" EXpecting A Mage To Replenish Them. . .

[yubaraj]

Because there are lots of rogues and warriors who ask for mana and if you don't provide them , they call you noob and leave map sometimes.

I guess nobody wants to get called noob.

[Sakurahb]

Because there are lots of rogues and warriors who ask for mana and if you don't provide them , they call you noob and leave map sometimes.

I guess nobody wants to get called noob.
The people who ask for mana are the "noobs" on this case , it's pve there's pots to use. So don't use it as a reason because with 3 or 4 attack skills mages are a lot more helpful.

[Fsuryo]

Please tell me what a problem with heal on grave or even maus?

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[xtian02]

My main is mage and i dont use heal, and then theres a thing called potion.If they ask for mana give em some water jewel LOL.

[MasterP]

Well in my case, often there is no warrior in the pt. Spamming pots doesn't always save you from being 1shot killed by those aimed shots. So heal does help the pt survive even for just a moment, it makes a slight difference. Sure its not practical and you can do more damage with more attack skills. But honestly i don't trust many warriors especially pugs. Alot of them run ahead, make big pulls, die themselves and then dont even use an ankh, leaving the pt defenceless. So ill keep my heal for peace of mind :) more than anything. hehe

[Vvildfire]

Well in my case, often there is no warrior in the pt. Spamming pots doesn't always save you from being 1shot killed by those aimed shots. So heal does help the pt survive even for just a moment, it makes a slight difference. Sure its not practical and you can do more damage with more attack skills. But honestly i don't trust many warriors especially pugs. Alot of them run ahead, make big pulls, die themselves and then dont even use an ankh, leaving the pt defenceless. So ill keep my heal for peace of mind :) more than anything. hehe

Hmm mage heal doesn't save from 1 hit kills either xD
Unless you mean that they get all the mobs' rage and die in your place... If that's what you meant, you're *evil*! O.O

[Iuxor]

The people who ask for mana are the "noobs" on this case , it's pve there's pots to use. So don't use it as a reason because with 3 or 4 attack skills mages are a lot more helpful.

I know VERY few mages that run with 4 dmg skills....
If it's not heal, its shield....
But like the red and yellow m&ms... They do exist!
This thread topic always spirals downward quickly. Over and over and over and......

[MasterP]

Hmm mage heal doesn't save from 1 hit kills either xD
Unless you mean that they get all the mobs' rage and die in your place... If that's what you meant, you're *evil*! O.O

I meant that it gives you an opportunity to survive while potting. Sortve like how warriors heal saves you from death, even though you are potting your thumbs off :)

[Jazzi]

I personally put all mages who use heal in endgame in PvE on ignore immediately.
@Sak : the sad reality is that most of those mages only have one attacking skill. They use shield, heal lightning and all their remaining points on passives and masteries.

Well pugs are what they have always been. Recently I ran mau 2 with a rogue with lepre on and 567 damage, who only use auto attack. Same rogue had the lightbearer rank coffin vanity. So imagine the amount of frustration she/he had caused lol.

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Why do 99% of the mages use heal in Graveyard/Mausoleum?

My main is not a mage but I have one and I wouldn't use heal in any pve map,i can't figure out why mages use it on those maps that's why I am asking .

So please can someone give at least ONE SOLID reason for the use of heal there?
Mostly new mages or undergeared mages tend to do that from what I have seen. 99℅ is a high tho, more like 60-70%

Even tho I don't recommend heal in PvE, I'd rather run with a mage that uses heal instead of one using curse. Curse mages in pve are quite frankly useless.

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[Sakurahb]

Mostly new mages or undergeared mages tend to do that from what I have seen. 99℅ is a high tho, more like 60-70%

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Maybe I am having a bad luck then , because every time I try random there will be a mage using heal . [emoji20]

[Back]

Maybe I am having a bad luck then , because every time I try random there will be a mage using heal . [emoji20]
Run with us [emoji14]

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[Motherless_Child]

Why do 99% of the mages use heal in Graveyard/Mausoleum?

My main is not a mage but I have one and I wouldn't use heal in any pve map,i can't figure out why mages use it on those maps that's why I am asking .

So please can someone give at least ONE SOLID reason for the use of heal there?

Some people just do not get the fact that using heal instead of another skill just lopsides most maps.......... I don't even have the heal skill on my mage.... Heck, I have shield and do not even use that... 4 attacks for me only, no matter the map.... But, some still use heal............. Anyone who calls a mage a noob for not using heal is actually a noob themselves........

[RYYUKK]

Why do 99% of the mages use heal in Graveyard/Mausoleum?

My main is not a mage but I have one and I wouldn't use heal in any pve map,i can't figure out why mages use it on those maps that's why I am asking .

So please can someone give at least ONE SOLID reason for the use of heal there?

Because are USELESS nubs!
Heal deal aggro for us and doesnt work like a tank heal , mages need dmg and dps because we are mobs controll, not a mana saviors

Or simple, there are not people who can teach how be a mage pve!

[Kharjojo]

Prob is always the same and happens every new cap.
The sad truth is quite simple: many peeps don't know how classes and skills works for real and, i'd like to add, they don't wanna learn but only judge you if you try to explain some facts.
Heck, i mostly run pugs lately (my friends timezone sux :D) and i use to run 4 attacks skill in gy and, honestly, to be called noob by a lousy rogue begging for mana, well.... idc at all.
Btw you've been very very unlucky too, 'cause aside those wonderful mages going in with shield, heal, curse and charging gale (they are real, believe me), i've found also many good players running pugs.

[Suentous PO]

Dear well meaning healmage,

We have to break up, I wish I could say it's me and not you, but it's totally you. It's over between us!
I'm not in need of rescue, and curse hits like Kimbo slice despite your best efforts. That tank over there is healing anyway, and did you see that deary ring save the Mage right then?! This couldn't be any slower if you specked for curse also and
OMG YOU HAVE THAT TOO!!!?
*cries in Spanish*
;_;

[yubaraj]

Best built for mage on graveyard.

All points on STR
Skill : shield heal curse light

All points on STR because strong mage strong shield. Heal because you strong STR mage and aggro mage need as mage use curse and reflect damage I strong. I light coz I wanna do 250% damage.

Maybe you guys can share your best built for graveyard too specially rogue and warrior. I wanna know what pro rogue warrior use.

Ps I no noob I pro mage . heal and save life plz

[ForgottenWarrior]

Heal helps more, in the case of mausoleum and graveyard. You just need to figure out what weapon you and your team should use. For mages you need flame forged staff for mobs and dragon hunter staff for boss. While you use heal regularly it saves team from dieing situation spamming pots is not easy while you stun etc. It is your choice if you want to use or not, IMO heal is useful for safe running

[Lolifee]

IMO heal is useful for safe running

I'd rather run with a mage without heal but clock for crowd control. thats a lot safer than a heal lol.

[omgcrit]

Heal is kinda useful, the heal regen from heal is really good for saving pots.
I wouldn't use heal my self but if someone said to be use heal I would say buy pots because pots are cheap and they help you with hp and mana.
Remember this newbies

[ilhanna]

To be frank, nothing says noob to me more than that swaying bunch of flowers from heal mastery popping up in Graveyard/Mausoleum just when stun-stun-stundammit! is crucial. Also, when I see a green confetti shower in the mobs I keep thinking it's the enemy mage and rather than be grateful I'd be annoyed because this mage, who'd be better off something more useful like clocking whole batches of nasties, is distracting me from keeping an eye out for the priority targets. I wonder why these mages don't feel insulted by people having to resort to using Slink or Breeze or Vlad or Dragon Hunter daggers (despite the huge loss of damage) to get some semblance of control on the mobs, which should have been a mage job.

Part of it may have been ignorance. I've met capped mages who were really surprised when I told them to never use Scorn AA. In Somberholt. While doing big pull. So maybe these healing mages are unaware of the fact that heal just put a big blinking arrow in their direction saying "HIT ME!" plus they will still have to pot anyway while it's on cooldown so what's the point with the waste of mana
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Part of it may have been neglect. Some guilds may put a lot of emphasis on stats, pets and gear, they fail to warn their mages to quit the Florence Nightingale act in pve.

And yet another part of it may have been outright stubbornness. I don't know how many mages I've helped respec for pve who asked : "What? No heal?" simply because they're so used to having it as a crutch since the time they were in diapers.

I don't know the ratio for each of these explanation but yes these are annoying (about as annoying as your poor-stat rogue who only uses weapon hit and the warriors who stand back doing the "After you, ma'am" act when it comes to pulling mobs).

[Iuxor]

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[resurrected]

I see many opinions about it but perfect answer is:
Mages just see what build are using graveyard mages ( heal curse ice ) and how they wiping all players in not even one second so they're thinking it " wow pro build!" * grabbing respec scroll *
Maybe they think since it worth for players should work in back way too @.@

[Bluebatthing]

Heal so useless and noob, let's try to get rid of it altogether, devs?......

[Vvildfire]

Look, we've had discussions about this before, and it leads nowhere. If you feel like raging at the healing mages, just look back at those threads (they have hundreds of replies!), and let players play however they want; you don't have to pt with them, and if you're in a pug, well... You're in a pug

[Avaree]

I disagree with the word noob in this thread. Every player we encounter can't be as we wish them to be. Many young players are starting this game on difficult content. I give them credit for continuing to play.


I grew up in the forest :)

[Iuxor]

157500

Well said.


Avaree snuck that comment in there... ;]

But I also agree.


Let's whittle this subject down to nothing....

[resurrected]

157500

Well said.
Change it to girl [emoji14]

[Back]

Heal helps more, in the case of mausoleum and graveyard. You just need to figure out what weapon you and your team should use. For mages you need flame forged staff for mobs and dragon hunter staff for boss. While you use heal regularly it saves team from dieing situation spamming pots is not easy while you stun etc. It is your choice if you want to use or not, IMO heal is useful for safe running

Explain me, how you plan to use skills when stunned and how u cannot use pots when stunned. Plz

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[friana]

I think i dont need mags heal but need warriors shield skill in hard map like killed by 1hit. We can survive that short time for sure .

[Sakurahb]

Look, we've had discussions about this before, and it leads nowhere. If you feel like raging at the healing mages, just look back at those threads (they have hundreds of replies!), and let players play however they want; you don't have to pt with them, and if you're in a pug, well... You're in a pug
I made the thread because I wanted to understand why they use heal on those maps,I am not raging or anything I just want to simply understand the reason of using a skill that from my point of view bring no support to a reasonable experienced party .

That's it, I'm just intrigued with the amount of mages using heal on hard elites and couldn't figure out a reason by myself.

Reason which I still didn't find here .

[Pillowhead]

Does it matter really? As long as they feel comfortable with heal, let them use it. You don't need an explanation for everything. Sometimes we think too much about everything, just let some of us enjoy the game as it is, and not get called a noob for prefering something that you don't! ! (Not to thread creater, but to all ignorant people that think that there's only 1 way to play the game).

[acewasabi]

if others want to use heal, that's up to them. but so too its my choice not to use heal, and i'd really appreciate not being called a noob because of it. sure, i can leave map, but then balance tokens take longer to get if you're constantly re-mapping to avoid ppl who won't use pots.

[MassMoment]

Why do 99% of the mages use heal in Graveyard/Mausoleum?

My main is not a mage but I have one and I wouldn't use heal in any pve map,i can't figure out why mages use it on those maps that's why I am asking .

So please can someone give at least ONE SOLID reason for the use of heal there?
Absolutely right...anyone using shield heal or curse in PVE is a nub.

close thread, case solved

Galaxy Note 7

[mrm]

Team A
MAGE: uses heal cool team full mana and health!!
curs be like @#&*@&# u all
all dies even tank 11k health

Team B
MAGE:Uses fireball to stun mage or gale
rogue kills mage
team advance
map done
So to any mages reading this who are unsure of there play style yet here are a few tip on grave skills that i use
Dont use heal
Use clock,fireball(or gale ((with out speed addid and 10/10 mastry))),ice,shield
gear> flameforg staff (try to get gold loot one)
for pets o pref sns for healing pools
but if u dont have good pets to use there are
*Nilbog
*Toor
*Magma <3!!!!!!!!!!!
I cycle those the most there
just keep grouping mobs and then basic atk away:3 rember to use fb to stun mages
forgot(if you are 2 mages and the other one is gun user use
flame forg (this staff rocks!)lig ice fb and shield just spam skill :3
(ps. stunning is a great why to stay alive and not admit your ankh less )
cya and good luck reading might have had "some" spelling errors
HAPPY CHRISTMAS! !!!!!

[yubaraj]

Its so fun to read the thread about mage using heal in pve every once a month.

Why you guys only blame mage?

You guys want reason huh

1. Its just a game play for fun. Fastest run doesn't mean its fun.

2. It takes time to learn about the class and skills. Mage or shaman is a class who are specialised in healing traits. Unfortuantely in AL using heal in pve categorised mage as a noob. Try to tell them how skill works not call them noob.

3. There are rogues who save up their mana by using basic attack . hard to earn gold lol. Warriors hiding behind mage and rogue using same tactics save mana. Ask mage to refill their mana. Lol. It makes me laugh when I see any rogue warrior or rogue ask for mana. Thank you for making me laugh. Its a pug run so bear with it and have some fun.

I hope OP found some reasons why there are still mages who uses heal on pve. When there are rogue and warrior players asking for mana , there will always be mage with heal in pve.

And running few pug runs and saying 99% mages using heal is bs.

Thank you rogues for using sss and heal in pve.

[Vjerevica]

I made the thread because I wanted to understand why they use heal on those maps,I am not raging or anything I just want to simply understand the reason of using a skill that from my point of view bring no support to a reasonable experienced party .

That's it, I'm just intrigued with the amount of mages using heal on hard elites and couldn't figure out a reason by myself.

Reason which I still didn't find here .

I fairly often use heal on graveyard when doing pugs because it saves me money. The map is easy and no harm in using heal. That said, I don’t use it to heal the team but just to replenish my mana and health when needed.

I don’t think that I slow party in any way because if I don’t have heal I use shield. So, damage output is same. I don’t like 4 attack skills setup. I tried it and it just doesn’t feel comfortable.
Furthermore, I often run graveyard with lepre on. The reason is same. Map is easy, so why not pick up some occasionally lock or legendary equipment. If the pug is weak, then I switch to full strength setup and use some strong pet (‘cause graveyard also serves me for leveling pets).

In conclusion, I don’t care for healing team. I use skill primarily to save money when doing pug runs. Doing so, I don’t harm team in any way (cause I would use shield instead, not 4th attack).
All said is valid for pug runs only. When I run with friends or guildes it is not the case.

I hope this gives you that one solid reason. In my case it is money saver on easy map in pug environment when I run with people of different skill/experience level and I can’t expect them to play the way I think they should.

I recommend you the same. Don’t make threads trying to change the world to suit your pro needs. If it bothers you, don’t run in pugs and “problem” is solved.

[Captain critic]

Yea well guess what they arent smart if they asking mages for mana they need to buy their own pots

[Potato is me]

Its so fun to read the thread about mage using heal in pve every once a month.

Why you guys only blame mage?

You guys want reason huh

1. Its just a game play for fun. Fastest run doesn't mean its fun.

2. It takes time to learn about the class and skills. Mage or shaman is a class who are specialised in healing traits. Unfortuantely in AL using heal in pve categorised mage as a noob. Try to tell them how skill works not call them noob.

3. There are rogues who save up their mana by using basic attack . hard to earn gold lol. Warriors hiding behind mage and rogue using same tactics save mana. Ask mage to refill their mana. Lol. It makes me laugh when I see any rogue warrior or rogue ask for mana. Thank you for making me laugh. Its a pug run so bear with it and have some fun.

I hope OP found some reasons why there are still mages who uses heal on pve. When there are rogue and warrior players asking for mana , there will always be mage with heal in pve.

And running few pug runs and saying 99% mages using heal is bs.

Thank you rogues for using sss and heal in pve.

No, its not fun to have these threads, it gets kind of irritating.. Right now for me is either run with friends or no run

[Qnoy]

Maybe I am having a bad luck then , because every time I try random there will be a mage using heal . [emoji20]

Well, still better imo to join random with mage using heal rather than u join random and find rogue(s) using pack..much annoying

[Fsuryo]

My mage build based by 20% str. A nekro user. 10 mastery gale force. And using heal, gale, ice, and fb. Only using heal at grave - mauso 2, have no problem, mostly survive from stucked curse, even with no shield. Thats only about your thumb speed.

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[Iuxor]

I can't believe this is still going....

To summarize the repetitive and ongoing logic behind using heal in somberholt maps(and more).....

Everyone has a preferred skill set. It may or may not evolve over time.
No one is right, no one is wrong. Done deal.

[Back]

Tbh I'd blame the new XP from quest. It's called experience or a reason. These new players and some ignorant players didn't get to learn much about their class and they cap within a month. 1 month is not enough to know about the class, well they can but maybe they don't want to.

Those saying heal is useless are here from a long time , some of them playing from the very beginning and knows how to play a class.

Make it hard to gain XP, (IMO it should take at least 6months to cap) and remove the power booster and you'll find quality runs every time you play.

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[Terarune]

Whats heal?_?

[Justg]

Closing due to impending drama-storm.