View Full Version : New PvP Idea (In-Depth idea that I know you could bring to life)
Hello Pl Devs,
So today i was in pvp and i was thinking...this is getting very repetitive and boring dont you think? People were agreeing with me so i pitched them my new idea. How about we make pvp more competitive and all around more fun?
DUELS FOR GOLD:
Lots of people love to pvp but cant make money while doing so. How about you make an arena where you can gamble against other players but since people tend to die very fast now-a-days make a rule where the player can bring up to 25 health potions and 25 mana potions thus becoming more competitive and not having fights last for 5 seconds. (this map should only allow 2 players and both players need to accept the gambling stakes, you should also be able to gamble items and recipes).
NOTE: A PLAYER WHO LEAVES DURING MATCH COUNTS AS AN AUTOMATIC LOSS AND OTHER PLAYER EARNS THE SPOILS.
NOTE: ALSO A 3V3 VERSION AND A 5V5 VERSION AVAILABLE (every person has to put a stake, 1 LIFE PER PERSON MATCH ENDS WHEN ALL PLAYERS ON OPPOSING TEAM DIE)
PLAIN COMPETETIVE:
Where a player can enter a free for all 3v3 or 5v5 team deathmatch coming in with up to 25 potions of both health and mana and same rules apply as in normal pvp first team to get to 10 wins in 3v3 and first team to get to 20 in 5v5 wins. This would be really fun for those who do not wish to gamble but intend to use their potions in pvp to stay alive longer and just have more fun in general instead of dying and respawning.
FREE-FOR-ALL ARENA (GROUNDWAR):
Where players join a non specific team and has the opportunity to fight everyone not only those people who are on the opposite team. This is a real free-for-all arena that from asking a lot of people would really like to see. You could also make a competetive version where you can bring 25 of each potion (health and mana).
In general i think competetive pvp arenas where you can gamble,play free-for-all games, and use potions (not elixers) would be a very nice addition to the pvp environment.
I have many more good ideas to bring to pvp to enrich its gameplay and im sure you could agree its time for some new pvp arenas since lots of players are playing pvp now-a-days. This would definatly increase revenue if you charge a platinum fee for these maps and more people would be buying potions also increasing platinum buying from customers. I would kindly enjoy feedback on what people think of my ideas.
If anyone wants to inform me about new ideas or let me explain how this would work feel free to email:
sebastianferlin@hotmail.com
i check email very often and i would appreciate well constructed criticsm
IMPORTANT NOTE: I DO NOT THINK WE SHOULD REMOVE THE CURRENT PVP STAGES BUT MAKE NEW ARENAS.
Thank you very much for reading take care all.
AdinoEznite
10-01-2011, 01:32 PM
meh, im not to fond of the idea myself...i think the whole staking thing would take too long to set up and agree with someone...pvp should be pvp not gambling
i think there should be a pvp rewards system, ex you gain points from killing someone, only can get max of 10 points from them a day
and then for like 1000 pvp points you can get a special vanity
or something like that...it becomes a currency
many people that i have asked in pvp though are extremely fond of this idea. I mean there is enough vanity items you can purchase for platinum but no one has enough money and gambling duels would be a great way of making money i think for sure. Pvp will still be kept normal but im just saying make an arena where people can actually gamble please read whole thread before posting first, thanks.
READ NOTES PLEASE.
Silentarrow
10-01-2011, 02:04 PM
I like this idea.
Darkfader
10-01-2011, 02:10 PM
All ideas look amazing.
Though gambling idea is suggested before and it's denied by devs, due reason sts don't want official gambling into game / support gambling.
hmm its more of duel for cash not really gambling...anyway if you could some devs atention about this thread would be great to see what they say about it thanks guys
Otukura
10-01-2011, 02:30 PM
No friggin' way bears would die with pots.
Xazic
10-01-2011, 02:37 PM
Otherwise the ideas are alright, but the potions... Screw them!
Though i would like new PvP maps, and ctf too, just normally, but with all the halloween stuff and Mt Fang i don't expect much at the moment.
why are the pots a bad idea? it would make some new maps very competitive and cutthroat which is what some people like.
My main idea though is a full scale FFA arena with no teams and hopefully a bigger capacity of people in a game at one time.
@otukara bears actually would flourish with pots since they got good armor and wud be hard to kill. birds would be good with both pots since they need both. and mages wud be great with more mana pots. if you think about it pots in a certain pvp arena would be very enjoyable.
WhoIsThis
10-01-2011, 03:16 PM
why are the pots a bad idea? it would make some new maps very competitive and cutthroat which is what some people like.
It would completely unbalance the game. Bears would not die and become OP.
It would completely unbalance the game. Bears would not die and become OP.
It would not unbalance it at all. Since birds are very good at killing bears they would still have the upperhand and bears against mages would have to go through their whole hp and their whole mana shield which by that time they would be already dead since mages can also heal. Also birds could still kill mages if they used shield break at right times and roots to hold them still for a fast ko. You are thinking very short sighted but if you would like me to go in depth feel free to email me and i wil explain more.
Are there any devs that like this idea? Im very eager to push these ideas forwards and would like to talk about it with a dev.
Ellyidol
10-02-2011, 02:00 AM
Gambling is totally out of the question, IMO, unless they want to stay in the App Store and within that age rating. Cinco doesn't even want to implement any type of upgrading (chance of breaking) system due to the feeling of failure, I don't blame him at all, it makes sense.
If potions in PvP would work like PvE, then no. We already have massive HS/MS figures that pretty much regen about 5% of Health/Mana per second, end-game that is.
If cooldowns were added though, truly long cooldowns that required potion use to be strategic, maybe. PvP potions should cost a lot of gold too, if implemented.
Gambling is totally out of the question, IMO, unless they want to stay in the App Store and within that age rating. Cinco doesn't even want to implement any type of upgrading (chance of breaking) system due to the feeling of failure, I don't blame him at all, it makes sense.
If potions in PvP would work like PvE, then no. We already have massive HS/MS figures that pretty much regen about 5% of Health/Mana per second, end-game that is.
If cooldowns were added though, truly long cooldowns that required potion use to be strategic, maybe. PvP potions should cost a lot of gold too, if implemented.
Since money fights woul not work (even though ive seen it implemented in many 12 year old MMOs) and you do not like the potion idea (which is also implemented in proberly every mmo where the class can heal eating food or bring mana potions to heal one self during combat PLUS now-a-days fights last roughly 5 seconds). Could the devs at least think about making a free-for-all map where players can just go in for an all out groundwar type game.
AGAIN REPEATING MY SELF
THIS WOULD NOT BE AN UPGRADE THIS WOULD BE A NEW SET OF MAPS OLD PVP WOULD STILL BE AVAIABLE TO PEOPLE WHO DO NOT WISH TO USE THE NEW ARENAS.
In my experience ive played a lot of mmos and this is missing some very essential factors of what real pvp is if you implemented at least one of these ideas and charge some plat for it i can assure you people would be buying it. This game already has a good campaign for a mobile game why dont you just top the cake and add some real PvP since so many people are doing it now-a-days.
Side-note: you said adding longer cool downs...thats the reason in the first place people started complaining about pvp is the GCD.
Ellyidol
10-02-2011, 02:27 AM
Since money fights woul not work (even though ive seen it implemented in many 12 year old MMOs) and you do not like the potion idea (which is also implemented in proberly every mmo where the class can heal eating food or bring mana potions to heal one self during combat PLUS now-a-days fights last roughly 5 seconds). Could the devs at least think about making a free-for-all map where players can just go in for an all out groundwar type game.
AGAIN REPEATING MY SELF
THIS WOULD NOT BE AN UPGRADE THIS WOULD BE A NEW SET OF MAPS OLD PVP WOULD STILL BE AVAIABLE TO PEOPLE WHO DO NOT WISH TO USE THE NEW ARENAS.
In my experience ive played a lot of mmos and this is missing some very essential factors of what real pvp is if you implemented at least one of these ideas and charge some plat for it i can assure you people would be buying it. This game already has a good campaign for a mobile game why dont you just top the cake and add some real PvP since so many people are doing it now-a-days.
Side-note: you said adding longer cool downs...thats the reason in the first place people started complaining about pvp is the GCD.
PC MMOs. I doubt there's an MMO in the AppStore with gambling incorporated to it. I doubt there's even an app with gambling.
The cooldown I was talking about was meant for potions. Give any strength class unlimited potions like in PvE, and I guarantee you cannot kill them in a 1v1. Bears, pallies, and warbirds are hard enough to take down as it is, let them use potions and they will not die.
PvP issues existed way before GCD.
PC MMOs. I doubt there's an MMO in the AppStore with gambling incorporated to it. I doubt there's even an app with gambling.
The cooldown I was talking about was meant for potions. Give any strength class unlimited potions like in PvE, and I guarantee you cannot kill them in a 1v1. Bears, pallies, and warbirds are hard enough to take down as it is, let them use potions and they will not die.
PvP issues existed way before GCD.
I relly wish people would actually read the whole post instead of just keywords. As i said you can bring 25 OF EACH POT MAX AND YOU COULD NOT LEAVE UNTIL THE GAME IS OVER. I chose my words wrong for the first topic which should not be read as gambling but as a stake which is much different since you have control over a stake and not gambling which i will now change. Cool-down would not be such a good idea since no one likes it but i think pvp pots should work the same as pve (although have a limit the amount you could bring into pvp which would be 25) but they should cost around 1k per pot or 20k for a set of 25. Also this would open up many more people to playing this game since lots of people argue that the reason they would not continue playing is because its not as deep as a computer based mmo. If we give it a few more steps it could actually be one of the greatest mmos ever, definatly better than come mmos that i have played on the computer. I mean you gotta think about a longer term kind of thing new things incorporate new people. Everygame that has a great pvp side of the game is always a winner since people like showing their skills against other people in the game and this would just widen the net for more players for sure.
AdinoEznite
10-02-2011, 03:00 AM
many people that i have asked in pvp though are extremely fond of this idea. I mean there is enough vanity items you can purchase for platinum but no one has enough money and gambling duels would be a great way of making money i think for sure. Pvp will still be kept normal but im just saying make an arena where people can actually gamble please read whole thread before posting first, thanks.
READ NOTES PLEASE.
i read ever word, always do
its plain and simple not a good idea due to the reasons already stated
"dont dare impune me honor boy!" lol jk
It would not unbalance it at all. Since birds are very good at killing bears they would still have the upperhand and bears against mages would have to go through their whole hp and their whole mana shield which by that time they would be already dead since mages can also heal. Also birds could still kill mages if they used shield break at right times and roots to hold them still for a fast ko. You are thinking very short sighted but if you would like me to go in depth feel free to email me and i wil explain more.
um if bears/warbirds could spam hp pots then who cares if a mage can heal? cuz the bear they are fighting can heal too! lol
and 25 is def enough to get the job done
besides...all this would do is encourage ppl gang up on one person more often
Another problem if someone could please help. I just had to uninstall pocket legends for a second and then when i looked on market i couldnt find it and when i went on market on the computer it says pocket legends cannot be installed on your device's country. But ive been playing it the whole time in this country can someone please help me out, thanks.
i read ever word, always do
its plain and simple not a good idea due to the reasons already stated
"dont dare impune me honor boy!" lol jk
um if bears could spam hp pots then who cares if a mage can heal? cuz the bear they are fighting can heal too! lol
And again ur not reading bears would only have 25 pots but mages would have 25 pots and heal so its all about who can kill faster in the end really not who can spam their 25 POTS FASTER AGAIN ITS NOT UNLIMITED ITS 25 AND AFTER THEY USED ALL 25 POTS THEY CANNOT LEAVE THE PVP ARENA UNTIL THE MATCH IS OVER WHATS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND its well thought out and i assure you it would be a great idea to have...but im sure you dont even read my posts.
AdinoEznite
10-02-2011, 03:07 AM
And again ur not reading bears would only have 25 pots but mages would have 25 pots and heal so its all about who can kill faster in the end really not who can spam their 25 POTS FASTER AGAIN ITS NOT UNLIMITED ITS 25 AND AFTER THEY USED ALL 25 POTS THEY CANNOT LEAVE THE PVP ARENA UNTIL THE MATCH IS OVER WHATS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND its well thought out and i assure you it would be a great idea to have...but im sure you dont even read my posts.
as i said before i read ur posts and still dont agree, im just pointing out the flaws
and besides your saying that ppl dont have enough money but you want them to spend 20k every time they come in to pvp?
and then what happens to all the people who spend the 20k and lose?
they are gonna stick around playing for a really long time. yeup.
encourage more ppl to pvp? i doubt it
as i said before i read ur posts and still dont agree, im just pointing out the flaws
and besides your saying that ppl dont have enough money but you want them to spend 20k every time they come in to pvp?
and then what happens to all the people who spend the 20k and lose?
they are gonna stick around playing for a really long time. yeup.
encourage more ppl to pvp? i doubt it
Of course we could justkeep the price the same as regular pve pots and no not every time just when they want to go to the new arenas of pvp THIS IS NOT AN UPGRADE THIS IS A NEW MAP PACK SEE YOUR NOT READING. plus with the duels you could make money, so yeah...
Ellyidol
10-02-2011, 03:25 AM
I relly wish people would actually read the whole post instead of just keywords. As i said you can bring 25 OF EACH POT MAX AND YOU COULD NOT LEAVE UNTIL THE GAME IS OVER. I chose my words wrong for the first topic which should not be read as gambling but as a stake which is much different since you have control over a stake and not gambling which i will now change. Cool-down would not be such a good idea since no one likes it but i think pvp pots should work the same as pve (although have a limit the amount you could bring into pvp which would be 25) but they should cost around 1k per pot or 20k for a set of 25. Also this would open up many more people to playing this game since lots of people argue that the reason they would not continue playing is because its not as deep as a computer based mmo. If we give it a few more steps it could actually be one of the greatest mmos ever, definatly better than come mmos that i have played on the computer. I mean you gotta think about a longer term kind of thing new things incorporate new people. Everygame that has a great pvp side of the game is always a winner since people like showing their skills against other people in the game and this would just widen the net for more players for sure.
I did read the entire post, as difficult as it was.
How exactly can one not leave? You'll then have issues of players wanting to leave said game but can't, because of this.
Again, like Adino, we're just pointing out the flaws. We aren't the one TYPING IN ALL CAPS AS IF TO SHOUT TO PROVE A POINT. All the best ideas are the ones that are criticized and discussed the most.
as i said before i read ur posts and still dont agree, im just pointing out the flaws
and besides your saying that ppl dont have enough money but you want them to spend 20k every time they come in to pvp?
and then what happens to all the people who spend the 20k and lose?
they are gonna stick around playing for a really long time. yeup.
encourage more ppl to pvp? i doubt it
The 20k thing was from the other member above he said they should make potions expensive. I think the 25 pack should be kept at the 250 gold just like pve so that everyone can have a chance to doing this. I think if you nly charge like 250gold for 25 potions thats good and lots of people would have fun with that. Anyway now i cant even install PL becuase it says not avaiable i your country for some reason. could someone help?
AdinoEznite
10-02-2011, 03:34 AM
Of course we could justkeep the price the same as regular pve pots and no not every time just when they want to go to the new arenas of pvp THIS IS NOT AN UPGRADE THIS IS A NEW MAP PACK SEE YOUR NOT READING. plus with the duels you could make money, so yeah...
dude youre ASSUMING THINGS
i read that many times and guess what?
it doesnt matter if its not an upgrade creating the new arenas that will get expensive for people will make them empty...
except for people with top lvl gear that wanna prey on others
in any case theres no real discussion necessary since STS has already said they wanna keep gambling out
the the case of teamless free for all, that could work, but again not a real necessity since some ppl will probably end up teaming anyway
I did read the entire post, as difficult as it was.
How exactly can one not leave? You'll then have issues of players wanting to leave said game but can't, because of this.
Again, like Adino, we're just pointing out the flaws. We aren't the one TYPING IN ALL CAPS AS IF TO SHOUT TO PROVE A POINT. All the best ideas are the ones that are criticized and discussed the most.
I use capslock becuase it seems as life poeple are missing ot imporant points. If you do not wish to play the game then dont join. And also for that type of game a waiting room should be introduced and when there are enough people the actual game starts but you can leave anytime during the waiing room period but once the real game starts you cannot leave which i think makes perfect sense. 25 pots per player up to 10 players and an all out free-for-all map? i dont know how that doesnt sound fun and exciting but everyone is still stuck in their old ways and still wanna just pvp until their hp bar runs out which is getting really really old. m just trying to spice up the pvp experience just like the devs changed the UI, because its more INTERESTING. All hardcore pvp players would enjoy this an im going to pm people about this thread and see if they agree with these ideas.
dude youre ASSUMING THINGS
i read that many times and guess what?
it doesnt matter if its not an upgrade creating the new arenas that will get expensive for people will make them empty...
except for people with top lvl gear that wanna prey on others
in any case theres no real discussion necessary since STS has already said they wanna keep gambling out
the the case of teamless free for all, that could work, but again not a real necessity since some ppl will probably end up teaming anyway
And again ur thinking so short-sighted the FFA maps is in high demand by the majority of poeple i have asked. If people decide to team thats their deal but as long as everyone can get onto a map and kill every player just like in about every single game made this would definatly be a good idea to implement.
Ellyidol
10-02-2011, 03:47 AM
I use capslock becuase it seems as life poeple are missing ot imporant points. If you do not wish to play the game then dont join. And also for that type of game a waiting room should be introduced and when there are enough people the actual game starts but you can leave anytime during the waiing room period but once the real game starts you cannot leave which i think makes perfect sense. 25 pots per player up to 10 players and an all out free-for-all map? i dont know how that doesnt sound fun and exciting but everyone is still stuck in their old ways and still wanna just pvp until their hp bar runs out which is getting really really old. m just trying to spice up the pvp experience just like the devs changed the UI, because its more INTERESTING. All hardcore pvp players would enjoy this an im going to pm people about this thread and see if they agree with these ideas.
Disregard my questions. When you suggest something, approach with an open and unbiased mind. Good luck.
AdinoEznite
10-02-2011, 03:51 AM
Again, seems like people are missing out on important points.
HOW EXACTLY CAN ONE NOT LEAVE? I can easily exit PL, force close, and I would have been disconnected from the server hence making my character leave from the game. Unless it's as extravagant as 100 deaths per leave, I don't think the 'no leaving' policy will ever stick. Since you want to cater to the hardcore pvp players only, 100 deaths may not be a bad amount, assuming they hold in regard their stats.
or it can be abused to get on the leaderboard
people would also get pissed when they dc
i think a FFA map would be cool, but u cant keep someone from leaving
which in a FFA map wouldnt be necessary anyway...who cares if someone leaves if theres no stake in it, which there shouldnt be
which brings me back to pvp rewards!
have you even considered that in exchange for a number of "pvp points" you can get gold?
Disregard my questions. When you suggest something, approach with an open and unbiased mind. Good luck.
Not really only for hard-core pvper. I mean the duel for cash idea is definatly catering for hardcore pvpers but an ffa arena is something everyone would enjoying playing. About the no leaving rule if you disconnect your internet or something becuase you want to leave the game this would count as an automatic loss in a duel for cash match but say in an ffa match with pots it would be just the same as normal pvp but a bigger loss 10 deaths and thats it. In a normal ffa match with no pots i am not implementing the no leave rule im only implementing for all potion matches.
or it can be abused to get on the leaderboard
people would also get pissed when they dc
i think a FFA map would be cool, but u cant keep someone from leaving
which in a FFA map wouldnt be necessary anyway...who cares if someone leaves if theres no stake in it, which there shouldnt be
which brings me back to pvp rewards!
have you even considered that in exchange for a number of "pvp points" you can get gold?
Im sorry but in another game say something as mind numbing as club penguin the pvp points would be a good idea. I do not wish to turn pvp into a mind numbing grind fest so people can get gold instead of actually farming in real pve this would also get abused becuase people would multi log and kill their other accounts very easily (they do not have to log in from same amil just make new email new account and then other account can just keep killing the new one for pvp points) so that is actually not a good idea. My ideas are more well thought out and deuling with stakes cannot be abused since who wants to lose their money to someone else? also how can this be abused for high scores? there are no highscores for most deaths in pvp only for pve and this would not help in farming kills either.
plus the reason lots of pvper pvp is too have the best pvp stats so they wont be leaving in mid match to gain 10 deaths that quickly when they can just stick it out until the end.
Azurkray
10-02-2011, 04:06 AM
One thing i agree on though, we need to do something to mak the fights last longer then 5 seconds. The higher lvl you are, the quicker you kill eachother. I don't really like endgame pvp because you die too quick.
Just an idea, mabye all attacks could be only half as strong as pve. Fights should last twice as long this way, which IMO creates more opportunities for strategic moves.
And with the issue of gambling, is it really gambling if no actual currency is involved? If you lose, you might lose gold or a virtual weapon or something, but no real money. Just make plat items ungamble-able. I think it's a good idea, even if most others dont.
One thing i agree on though, we need to do something to mak the fights last longer then 5 seconds. The higher lvl you are, the quicker you kill eachother. I don't really like endgame pvp because you die too quick.
Just an idea, mabye all attacks could be only half as strong as pve. Fights should last twice as long this way, which IMO creates more opportunities for strategic moves.
And with the issue of gambling, is it really gambling if no actual currency is involved? If you lose, you might lose gold or a virtual weapon or something, but no real money. Just make plat items ungamble-able. I think it's a good idea, even if most others dont.
See what im talking about guys fights last not even 5 seconds now-a-days especially for lvl 50-60s even in the 30-35 ranges fights hardly last at all. If pots are not to be inplemented in new arena packs at least make it hit slightly less in pvp than pve. And yes the gambling option its not actually gambling when you have the control to win or lose (the other player also has control) but its on how well you play the fight. gambling requires so skill and just luck while a pvp match with 25 pots each and no leaving allowed is not gambling its staking which is not the same. (plus only virtual gold should be allowed no real world currency AT ALL!)
I know from tons of experience people would like to see some of these ideas implemented and i really wish a dev would tell me if any of these ideas were possible or not.
http://www.spacetimestudios.com/showthread.php?38495-Please-help-i-cant-install-PL-after-uninstalling-!
Plz help with intimate problem
WhoIsThis
10-07-2011, 01:48 AM
Bumping won't enhance your credibility.
well i cant say i didnt try huh?
WhoIsThis
10-07-2011, 02:29 AM
well i cant say i didnt try huh?
As was pointed out, there are many flaws with your ideas.
Gambling is frowned upon by many.
Furthermore, I will repeat it: bears won't die with pots. If you think otherwise, you are going to have to explain why not considering :
Bears have dodge on the order of 60%
Very high armor
High health regeneration
High hp
Combine this with the fact that bears have higher base damage and hit% than before.
AdinoEznite
10-07-2011, 02:54 AM
Im sorry but in another game say something as mind numbing as club penguin the pvp points would be a good idea. I do not wish to turn pvp into a mind numbing grind fest so people can get gold instead of actually farming in real pve this would also get abused becuase people would multi log and kill their other accounts very easily (they do not have to log in from same amil just make new email new account and then other account can just keep killing the new one for pvp points) so that is actually not a good idea. My ideas are more well thought out and deuling with stakes cannot be abused since who wants to lose their money to someone else? also how can this be abused for high scores? there are no highscores for most deaths in pvp only for pve and this would not help in farming kills either.
well its possible, but as long as you make it more efficient to pvp normally then i dont see a problem
in my suggestions i stated that you could only gain 3-5 points from one person every 24 hours
plus you can make it so that you only gain points from open games, thus if someone tried farming themselves then someone can just join and kill them lol
in addition its not like it would be a ton gold
im talking about trading thousands of pvp points for not that much gold
maybe like 10k pvp points for 100k
it takes a long time to get 10k pvp kills
alternatively it could be in small batches of 1000 kills per 10k gold
even if it was like that a person would need 200-334 characters on other accounts to farm to get 10k in one day...im pretty sure thats gonna discourage those that wanna exploit
for people that pvp, its just a bonus
but its faster to make money through pve
besides if they had cool looking vanities id want that instead of gold
Eh i ave to many disagreements with too many of the ideas. Can everyone at least gree that we should have a dedicated FFA arena so people wouldnt have to choose teams anymore and pile etc?
wyzteds
12-08-2012, 01:09 PM
Thats a nice idea
Register
12-08-2012, 02:19 PM
Thats a nice idea
I see your new to the forums. Welcome, but next time, don't bump an old thread. The last post was in 2011.