i dont get this?

[cynic]

Ok
im not know for my friendly comments or post, i got a bit of a temper sorry.
But i need to get something of my chest.


The nuri upgrade i didnt or do not like, why....?

1. elixers, mess up the fun of the game, any fool with plat can become 61 now and the runs are not fun because of the running!
2. You can buy recipes for special gear. so again any fool with plat can get a nice gear?!

What fun is this, i got enough money to get all my chars to 61 and i could buy enough gold to buy the gear!
all the 61 with gear are in my eyes nothing special, they all bought their way to 61 without the work.
Really this game has become a childish disney kiddo game.
im sorry but there is no fun in playing like this, im booting all elixer users, half of the time im booting them just to have a normal game.

I know i need to play with friends , and yeah they all like to play without elixers but in the daytime i just wanna do some runs.


STS im willing to pay a monthly fee to just play the game if u need money for the game but playing like this is just no fun.

For me there is no fun there is no goal to reach because everybody is 61 already and wearing their special gear.
plz devs do something about this downfall that is hitting pl

[Flickz]

Im sure they would lose players if they added a monthly fee and make less money.

[Navygreen]

The fun is that I get to play how I want to play. If I spend money on an item, I don't expect it to be a crappy item. It should be a special, money-only item. Elixrs are there to use and enjoy. I never quite understood why people hate others who use elixrs. It's not like they're spending your money. If they like to run around like they're caffeine addicts and clear a dungeon on elixrs, let them be. And I have lots of platinum gear because it's special gear that only money can buy. Of course I spent the doe!

And no i'm not willing to pay a monthly fee. Not at all. My monthly fee is paying Comcast money to keep my internet on so I can log into PL and spend money on plat to fund the developers and keep this game free. I have enough bills. Now I have to pay to play a game, too? I did that when I bought my tablet for half a G. Absolutely not!

And for the record, i'm not upset. I love you all. I just have very strong opinions about things. :frog:

[ExperimentNebulaCore]

Im sure they would lose players if they added a monthly fee and make less money.

They would loose more than half probably including me. LOTS of people in pl and sl are kids...

[wvhills]

STS makes TONS more money on elixirs than they ever would off monthly subscriptions. I once thought they should go to a monthly fee then I realized a 30 plat elixir is about $5. So someone is paying $5 an hour (the elixir time) to play this game. But you're right, it's no fun at all to run with a party that is "elixired up". I tried raising the same concerns but after I realized how much $$$ the elixirs bring in I decided it wouldn't do any good because elixirs are here to stay. You have the right idea though. Host your own elixir free games. You may even include the reason "no elixirs, sry".

[Navygreen]

Edit: We should all just try to coexist and be friendly. We're all still achieving our own goals playing the way we like to play. Like Robert said, elixrs are here to stay. I'm not sure what else we can really do about it. :)

[cynic]

thnx guys for the comments, i thought all the forum ppl would kill me for this.
Like i said i am making my own elixerfree runs, but in the day time not all my friends are online.
Ive been booting my .ss off, so a lot of elixer users dont like me.

There was a point i dont even know how strong my own gear is because everyone is rushing thru the game!
Really i wanna pay sts for a fun game, in wht way but not for elixers that spoil the game. and not for gear that u supposed to get when u did a lot of work.
Like i said there is no 61 around that worked for his gear.
so why would i now spend money on something that others payed for and there was no work done for it.
61 with demonic gear just bought it!

sts and devs plz make this game fun and exiting again plz plz plz
i buy for 100$ plat just to buy nice dungeons or the option to play low lv dungeons with the option to play say forest haven in elite mode.

when i wanted to play a disney game i would write to disney and ask them, the fun in this game was to find ways to kill mobs or to farm until i had a good gear.


@ navy i got enough money to buy me say 10.000 plat so thats not the problem! but what will i be , a bad player with money

actually im a good player with money but dont know where to spend it lol

[wvhills]

I can understand how people who have no plat or gold for elixrs may not like running with an entire group of elixr freaks. The potters (combo potters) are faster, stronger, have more armor and gain exp faster. Ok, fine. They have an unfair advantage. And technically, they're also helping you level up faster for running with you. In their eyes, they might want to boot you because you can't keep up fast enough.

The point i'm trying to make is that, this debate will probably never end. Like Robert said, elixrs are here to stay (most likely). There's two sides to this. There's the side that love to pot up and have their kind of fun, and there's others who don't do it and like to run at a normal pace and take longer to beat the game. Would I be wrong if I said to you that you're too slow, get out of my game? You're ruining my experience. I like to run. Would that be cool? Probably not. There's nothing either of us can do. We can just try to coexist and be friendly towards each other. People who use elixrs and who have platinum gear are no less of a player than someone who decides to grind their way to victory. Either way, we're still achieving our own goals and playing the way we like to play.

The only other thing I can think of is maybe STS includes an option to name your hosted games or even filter out games from the list that players are using pots in. That's all I can think of. :encouragement:

I think there's a big difference in the two situations. As a non-elixir user I like to play in a way that requires team effort, a bear to group, birds for the bosses and some mob damage, and mages for healing/ressing and clearing mobs. All team play is taken out with a single elixir user. I know this because I can solo haunted symphony using the free 5 min elixir. So one elixir user can significantly swing the team out of balance.

On the other hand, since one elixir user can wipe all the mobs, having a non elixir user in a group doesn't slow the others down whatsoever. The non elixir user doesn't contribute anything but they don't need him anyway so nothing has changed. His focus is just trying to keep up to leech xp (if that's what he wants to do).

[pastrychef]

@ cynic

I agree with you on elixirs really ruined much of the game and I think you have ever right to boot players in games you made. The thing that bugs me the most about some of these juiced up players is that they run through maps with no consideration for others. Why bother joining games at all? Why don't they just solo everything?

I disagree with you regarding everyone having bought their way to 61. That's not true.

[Doubletime]

Like i said there is no 61 around that worked for his gear.
so why would i now spend money on something that others payed for and there was no work done for it.
61 with demonic gear just bought it!

I simply disagree. I have three 61 toons. If you think it is simple to level a toon from 56 to 61 and requires "no work", I'm just not sure where that comes from. Did I use 3x elixers? Sure. Does that make me a bad player? Abosolutely not. I can play bird, bear, or mage with the best of them. Did it allow me to do it faster than non-elixer users. Absolutely. But does that mean it wasn't time, energy and work to get there? No.

During this leveling and the farming I do almost daily, I have gotten less than 10 glyph pinks. Glyph drops simply aren't common. Could I buy top of the line gear for all my toons with the gold I have been building up over the last year. Sure. I have bought several items to outfit my toons in Glyph gear. Of course, only my main bird has a full obedience set. Nuri and Big Top work just fine on my others. It requires work to get Glyph gear through farming or through the gold built up for farming. Last time I checked, it took around 700 plat for 250k in gold. Very very few people are going to spend hundreds of dollars to buy enough gold to buy glyphs. So they are using the gold they worked for or they are farming Nuri (which is work) or they are using non-sparkely gear. As for plat demonic recipes - well you still need the full sets to craft. And you need a whole lot of mats that aren't cheap to buy and take time to farm. And if you saw the prices of demonic recipes right after they were introduced and before people were aware of the plat option, you would realize it actually makes them more available to the casual player. The recipes are much cheaper now if you buy with gold, or you can use the plat option. This helps everyone in the game. It doesn't really reward or punish anyone.

What it really comes down to is it sounds like you miss the challenge, strategy, and team work required for teams prior to the current elixer craze that can make a party over-powered for a board. The solution is simple. You already are doing it. Host non-elixer runs. I think there are several threads already on here about how many other posters have similar feelings about missing the more challenging aspects of the game. I do as well. But I still buy 2x trash pots a lot, because it helps me farm and have fun when I play.

You are asking the devs to program the game to suit your preferences. Instead, the devs have programed the game in a way to make the most people happy. If you want a challenge, don't use elixers. If you want a boost and help leveling or speeding up farming, use an elixer. If you don't want elixers in your group, hosting and the boot button are your friend. If you just want to play, use the join game functions. Want to play with others that feel like you, develop a good friend list or join a guild of like-minded people. There are things that I am sure all of us would try and change about the game if we could. But the devs have to look at the big picture. Making a game that is playable and adaptable to lots of different stlyes and people. I think the current version offers that option.

Good luck in your games and remember -- it is about having fun. How you and someone else may do that are not neccesarily the same. But in the end PL offers a game where both sides have that option.

[JaytB]

Although your wording is a bit strong, I partly agree with what you said.

I think that elix users at least should have the decency to ask if it's alright to join or not. Personally, I have nothing against elix users. Heck, I'm on elix most of the time myself. But I think it's just common sense, when joining an open room, to ask whether or not the host minds you being on elix. It's the same as for non-elix users really, when they enter a room full of toons on steroids.

As for buying the gear with plat, I don't agree. Only the recipes can be bought with plat, the rest of the very extensive list of materials still need to be farmed or bought. So it's not like you can just buy the entire set with plat. Making recipes purchasable with plat isn't one of my most favorite ideas STS came up with, but you can't blame them for continuing to find ways of putting food on their tables IMO :)

[Wonderjuice]

Yes, we can't blame STS for its business efforts to make profits because it's not non-for-profit organization. And it is also true that there are people who do not want to level fast and to farm fast and just wanna enjoy the game by killing mobs and bosses in a challenged setting regardless of time they spend. It's the matter of choice and can't blame anyone. Just boot people with elixirs if you don't wanna play with them.

[Rare]

Well...

One, elixirs have been around for a while. Not just introduced during Nuri. So I don't think it changes anything.

As for the recipes... that's only a small part of what's required to craft the demonic gear. Some of the components are pretty rare and require several of them (glyphic blade steel for instance).

ATL

[Rare]

Really i wanna pay sts for a fun game, in wht way but not for elixers that spoil the game. and not for gear that u supposed to get when u did a lot of work.
Like i said there is no 61 around that worked for his gear.
so why would i now spend money on something that others payed for and there was no work done for it.
61 with demonic gear just bought it!


Just out of curiosity, have you tried crafting any of the gear? If not, you should give it a shot, then come back and say with a straight face it didn't require any work to do.

I'm not sure if you are actually meaning what you say or if you are trying to get a rise out of folks. Because a lot of it simply isn't true.

ATL

[Navygreen]

@ cynic

I agree with you on elixirs really ruined much of the game and I think you have ever right to boot players in games you made. The thing that bugs me the most about some of these juiced up players is that they run through maps with no consideration for others. Why bother joining games at all? Why don't they just solo everything?

I disagree with you regarding everyone having bought their way to 61. That's not true.

I like this and I can understand. I guess there is a difference between a player who is potted and who runs through leaving everyone behind and the person who pots and still plays with the team. Definately. :)


Edit: I can still appreciate this debate though because you guys always force me to think outside of my box. I understand some people hate elixrs. There's a lot of ppl that love them. And even when we're potted up, it still takes time and effort to get the materials we need or to reach that lvl 61. It's not a snap of the fingers just because of the elixr. :)

[Suentous PO]

Devils advocate Mental judo mindflip,
Thank you elixir junkies!
You help the devs implement fixes and patches whenever needed by providing income to a free format.
You have helped keep this a free game. Dig?
I hear what your sayin but there are easy ways around most annoyances,
Report jerks, ignore fools, host the perfect team ect.
Be nice have fun.
"There is no solution because there is no problem. "

[Phoenixking]

@ cynic

I agree with you on elixirs really ruined much of the game and I think you have ever right to boot players in games you made. The thing that bugs me the most about some of these juiced up players is that they run through maps with no consideration for others. Why bother joining games at all? Why don't they just solo everything?

I disagree with you regarding everyone having bought their way to 61. That's not true.how is that no consideration of others it may be your opinion but for other poeple they want elixer ppl on there game no one goes by your opinion other poeple have different opnions too elixers are for the players that want to achieve something but they dont have enough time lets say a business men that has to work for some certain hours a day and have like two hours of game time, they cant achieve there goal of being level 60 in that lil time and thats how elixers where born i really dont mind if its ppl with elixer or not because i still play


@ cynic this game is not just about you more poeple play this game consider them too

[Magecreater]

Devils advocate Mental judo mindflip,
Thank you elixir junkies!
You help the devs implement fixes and patches whenever needed by providing income to a free format.
You have helped keep this a free game. Dig?
I hear what your sayin but there are easy ways around most annoyances,
Report jerks, ignore fools, host the perfect team ect.
Be nice have fun.
"There is no solution because there is no problem. "

Ty!

[LoveMadrid]

I strongly disagree with cyn..

Like doubletime said, have you ever even crafted the gear? You think you can "just buy it" ? Non of the materials except for the receipe can be bought in platinum shop, and it only cost 50k/ the 3 mil that You need to craft one piece out if the whole set. Nowadays with the receipes prices so low, no one(except fir the players whi git demon druing the first 3 days of its release) Wanted to waste 20 plat on smething you get for 50k.People farmed really hard for their demon sets so you have no right to say they just bought it from platinum shop. If you had even one demon set piece, you would know how hard it is.

And as for the elixirs, i agree with you. It did stuff up the game a little(by ksing all the kills and re-rolling some glyphic items) But booting them is a bit extreme. They spent money into the ame and they deserved it. You can't expect them spending a couple of hundred and getting the same drop / exp as you did. As for buyong their way to 61 ,again, like i said, you think they bought their way to level 61 ? You aren't even 61 yourself .. Even if you go with the best parties with all 4x and buy plenty of platinum, you only get about 10k 15k per hour, and you will STILL need around 8-10 hrs of non-stop playing to reach it, not to mention the fact that they also spent money so they sould get an advantage. I do know that its 4x faster than us( the non elixir users) but they paod for it and they don't have time for doing as much runs as we did...

Its fair for both elixir and non-elixir players.. For an elixir player, yes, he lvls faster than the rest of us but they put in money .. We didn't.

[cynic]

@ love PPl farmed a lot? nuri is just out ! and yes i farmed my @ss off for the last year so i know what is like to get a fortified set or any other set.
and no im lv 60 because im not using elixers and because i spend less time on pl due to the elixers, its spoiling gameplay so i think booting ppl isnt unfair, i can use elixers but i dont want to.
What i try to explain is that anyone can become 61 in no time even when ur a bad player and everybody can wear a gear with little effort. what fun is that if you worked hard for it like yourself?

whats next ? option to become lv45 from the start?

The balance in this game is gone.
im a hardcore rpg player and i dont get a good feeling bout myself if i can buy my way into a game and then be a fake star player with gear that was bought.

[cynic]

everybody can choose how to play his/her game, ill take a long break and removed pl from tablet.
This rpg is to childish for me now like this.
Thnx for the replies and enjoy the game with or without potions.
cu guys around

[LoveMadrid]

everybody can choose how to play his/her game, ill take a long break and removed pl from tablet.
This rpg is to childish for me now like this.
Thnx for the replies and enjoy the game with or without potions.
cu guys around
Look, man, i know how you feel, but a game has to earn money somewhere.. You can't really expect STS to stop selling elixirs can you :( a games got to earn money somehow and elixirs is Pl's tool to earn money from us.
Even if you convinced everyone in this thread to boot elixir players and stop using it, it wouldn't make a difference.. Just make your peace with it :)

And how much EXP are you on until 61 ?

[trixxspet]

The same old song and dance in every MMO game...why do people paypal....well for me it is a time constraint thing. i dont get to play much plus i have to handle guild issues when i do get online...so i use elixers to speed things up for me....so if you see me in a dungeon im willing to bet i will have elixer on. plat buyers keep the game free for the young ones who cant paypal. so just keep booting or creating prv games, that way you can have your pristine elixer free games.

[xXDamonDXx]

So elixers, how can that be a problem to you?

If they join your games boot them, if your in someone elses game its their choice, if your in a random game then just leave.
And it still takes work to get to lvl 61 even with elixers.
Also some people have a life and dont have all their time to spend on the game. If they want to use elixers so they can be top level then their more than welcome to.

As for the crafting thing, its only the recipies you can buy, it takes a lot of time and effort to get the sets crafted. Have you seen how many glyphic blade steels are needed? And how rare they are and the price of just one. Also being able to buy recipies with plat helps those less rich or players with less time.
And also makes STS money to help towards updates.

So after that being said i dont see why u have a problem? Your not forced to be in an elixer group, and its not your concern if ppl want to use elixers or buy crafting items for platinum.

[cynic]

like i said problem solved , ill take a break!!

I dont like the game anymore easy like that, this isnt a mmorph this is a kids game and im to old for a kidsgame!
Problem solved.

@ damon u should go into politics and save the world because no one has a problem in your eyes!

[Cahaun]

I think the problem is because since AO3 all the mobs are too hard to enjoy some single runs. I loved the original first three dungeons because we could do it OURSELVES! The mobs were challenging if alone yes, but the difficulty is insane now. We need the old Forest Haven back with its awesome quest formula, decrease mob difficulty, and bring back a strong storyline! I think this would help alot.

[Uepauke]

Some great responses here. I share your distaste for elixir overuse. You can tell the difference sometimes between someone that hardly play without elixirs and those who don't--much more strategy and knowhow on the part of the latter. So far I've met 60s and 61s who don't know the unique aspects of each boss because they kill them so easily, a 61 toon who was killed by a barrel on the way to Dr Noxious because they didn't decom (ok, grant you, there are people who don't like quests, but it made me lol), don't know how to pull, how to work in a team, don't know combos and megas...

I think I've used pots a couple of times in Nuri, also I can't resist the occasional daily free elixir and I think I bought an hour or whatever in my ramp to 56, so I've mostly been elixir free. I enjoy doing runs with or without elixired up people and keep up most times--if you think non-potted people are superfluous... well, I've revved a few of them plus the heals do help against gravestone, which I've seen kill a potted up toon.

I would stop short of some of the claims you are making, that is, that people running in demonic sets bought it with plat--seriously? You think that all of them did? You can't buy the craft items, plus there are few would really put in real money to buy the recipes when you can get them from gold you built up through farming.

And saying that people who use elixirs are bad players... well, I have people in my friends list who use elixirs because of a number of different reasons, e.g. no time in between study or work, or they've already levelled one or two toons and the thought of bringing up a third the slow way kills them. These are great players, potted or not potted and I'd play with them either way.

So, yes, I have misgivings, but I've reconciled myself to elixirs and would refrain from the sweeping judgements in that original post.

[StompArtist]

I think there's a big difference in the two situations. As a non-elixir user I like to play in a way that requires team effort, a bear to group, birds for the bosses and some mob damage, and mages for healing/ressing and clearing mobs.

You mean playing the game the way it was designed to be played?


The non elixir user doesn't contribute anything but they don't need him anyway so nothing has changed. His focus is just trying to keep up to leech xp (if that's what he wants to do).

Turns out to be a little like CtK before the min level to join maps where implemented, right?

[cynic]

perhaps i stated something wrong, i dont mind exp elixers really i dont, thats everybodys choice and i even use them myself, i am talking bout the potions that make u so strong!!!
Oh and i got all the respect for ppl who farmed their gear, thats the true game spirit :)
I try to explain that all is been made so easy and i dont like easy, but i dont like to boot all the time to have a normal game myself.
Like i said the problem is solved, ill take a long break and evaluate the game in a few months.

I know i use strong words but thats simply how i express myself, i dont wana offend anybody.
But without strong words there will be no arguments and ive seen some pretty good ones here in favor and against my opinion and i respect both.

Am i frustrated? i guess i am a little bit because the game takes a turn in (in my eyes) wrong direction.
Am i willing to pay for the game? YES, but not for elixers that make me incredible strong and imbalance the game.
Am i buying recipies for gear? NO i like to earn it by farming.


Oh i said it before, this game would be nice if we had the option to play any lv in different modes like normal hard and elite, that way i would go back and play all lv all over again. In WoW u could choose on what lv u play a dungeon just to find ur own limitations and answers to hard bosses and so on.

[Navygreen]

Am I the only one here who loves combo elixrs? It may not even be because i'm trying to level faster because of time issues in my life, but because its... fun? Or am I alone in this?

I think I know how to play my mage fairly well at this point. It was when I reached lvl 53 when I really took the dive into using platinum elixrs. I don't know. I hope ppl really dont come into a dungeon with me thinking that i'm some guy who dosn't know his role. I absolutely know my role. I'm just trying to have fun and it helps. I like to use elixrs a lot also to help out my guild members who need it. The game gets hard. I love running through nuri's without being potted when there's a good group with me. I also love running through potted and helping the team reach whatever goal it is they're trying to reach.

I dont know. Maybe i'll be the red-headed child in this whole thing. I'm fine with it. I just love the game. :)

[StompArtist]

Am I the only one here who loves combo elixrs? It may not even be because i'm trying to level faster because of time issues in my life, but because its... fun? Or am I alone in this?

Not at all. I believe that the problem resides with mixing elixir users and non elixir users on the same instance. It "spoils" the game for the non elixir users (in my view anyways).

[Navygreen]

Not at all. I believe that the problem resides with mixing elixir users and non elixir users on the same instance. It "spoils" the game for the non elixir users (in my view anyways).

Not to contradict myself but I can totally understand after hearing some people's responses. I'll just have to ask when I join a PUG if they mind. I actually reached 58 two days ago and I haven't potted up since. Not sure why, I just haven't. I reached a personal goal to make it to 58 by the end of this month and i'm way ahead so now I can relax and just play. :)

[Ghastly]

Haha I dont get why people complain about stuff like this. And this is in like ALL MMOs lol. Think about it like this, in three-thousand years, when we are living with aliens and the human species has mastered technolgy all humans will stand as one together. It wont matter if we are from iraq or the us, we will all stand together and try to make humanity look like the greater species. And we are complaing about video games? Makes me wonder..............

[StompArtist]

Haha I dont get why people complain about stuff like this. And this is in like ALL MMOs lol. Think about it like this, in three-thousand years, when we are living with aliens and the human species has mastered technolgy all humans will stand as one together. It wont matter if we are from iraq or the us, we will all stand together and try to make humanity look like the greater species. And we are complaing about video games? Makes me wonder..............

Trekkie?

[Ghastly]

Trekkie?

Lol yes.

[13lacklegionz]

@ love PPl farmed a lot? nuri is just out ! and yes i farmed my @ss off for the last year so i know what is like to get a fortified set or any other set.
and no im lv 60 because im not using elixers and because i spend less time on pl due to the elixers, its spoiling gameplay so i think booting ppl isnt unfair, i can use elixers but i dont want to.
What i try to explain is that anyone can become 61 in no time even when ur a bad player and everybody can wear a gear with little effort. what fun is that if you worked hard for it like yourself?

whats next ? option to become lv45 from the start?

The balance in this game is gone.
im a hardcore rpg player and i dont get a good feeling bout myself if i can buy my way into a game and then be a fake star player with gear that was bought.

As a person who hasn't bought plat, I totally disagree. People on elixirs also need to "farm their @*** off" to get drops. The elixirs only help you finish the level, not give you glyph pinks every single time (Luck part of the elixir helps very little. It's at like a 2% increase of drop chance.)

How are elixirs spoiling gameplay? If people want to play the game without elixirs, it's their choice. But people on elixirs also decided to use their own money. It's the same in every good MMO (except maybe some ones with monthly subscriptions). To get to lvl 61, even with the elixir, it takes at least a couple days of hardcore grinding. It's not so easy.

Also, how can everyone wear gear with little effort. There are VERY few people who buy money with plat and even if they do, good gear costs in the millions. What's the difference between a non-elixir person getting good gear and an elixir person getting good gear? They all used money that they earned through, for example, farming and merchanting.

To conclude, the only advantage people have over non-elixirs is gaining exp. Getting the money to buy good gear isn't easier with elixirs. Good gear CANNOT be bought with platinum (unless you decide to use over $1000 in real life...) All good MMO's are like this. I think you would know as you play RPGs.

(PS: Star players aren't people who are at the maximum level. They are people who are skilled at the game: PVP. Plat cannot help you in pvp. Not directly anyways.. Just my opinion. :D)

[cynic]

walking into a dungeon with potions kick around you and kill all isnt fair gameplay ok let me use the word CHEAT.
And cheat in any game is a gamespoiler!!! and ruins the balance

And none off the rps or mmorphs i play know the option to cheat.
i cant make it any clearer than this.

Ok lets make an option to not go even into the dungeon lets just pay to see what drops!?! thats how it feels like to play this game thru my eyes. kids all want it easy and still be a BIG guy in the game. I seen lots of players that are 60 or 61 that dont even know about combos.
Like i said its become a kids game paid by older fooks.

[JaytB]

walking into a dungeon with potions kick around you and kill all isnt fair gameplay ok let me use the word CHEAT.
And cheat in any game is a gamespoiler!!! and ruins the balance

And none off the rps or mmorphs i play know the option to cheat.
i cant make it any clearer than this.

Ok lets make an option to not go even into the dungeon lets just pay to see what drops!?! thats how it feels like to play this game thru my eyes. kids all want it easy and still be a BIG guy in the game. I seen lots of players that are 60 or 61 that dont even know about combos.
Like i said its become a kids game paid by older fooks.

Here's a tip. Try and work on your personality, that way you can make some friends in the game, run with them in locked games, problem solved.

[thewolf]

I agree

[cynic]

justb thats really helpfull ty. no i never made any friends ur right.
I use the word CHEAT and now its my personality??
@ justb from all ppl i know in this game and all ur helpfull things here on the forum this is what u come up with??? really disapointing

sick twist in this story seems. all the time its my personality man really.
touch the potions and its some ones personality?

so when i have a good personality cheating my way thru a game isnt that bad thats what u r saying.

really ?????? man ive learned something here

up to the store to buy some potion to boost my personality and since im at it i get some botox to make all complete.

[Doubletime]

justb thats really helpfull ty. no i never made any friends ur right.
I use the word CHEAT and now its my personality??
@ justb from all ppl i know in this game and all ur helpfull things here on the forum this is what u come up with??? really disapointing

sick twist in this story seems. all the time its my personality man really.
touch the potions and its some ones personality?

so when i have a good personality cheating my way thru a game isnt that bad thats what u r saying.

really ?????? man ive learned something here

up to the store to buy some potion to boost my personality and since im at it i get some botox to make all complete.

Cynic, I think you have to realize that the tone of your post leading to this response likely caused quite a few people to consider it a flame. Remember Jaytb agreed with many of your points in your original post, but admitted (like me) to regularly using elixers. You just called me, Jaytb, our friends, and many people in the game CHEATERS. You also said we are adults playing a child's game (because me, Jaytb, and many, many friends are adults and enjoy this game as avid gamers).

With that kind of tone, I am sure you didn't expect everyone to have a positive reaction to your post. Jaytb responded in a way considerably less harsh than your post toward him, myself and many many readers of these forums.

As to your actual point about "cheating" our way through a game using elixers, I still strongly disagree. I think you are forgetting that this game has been around over a year. It is populated with many players that started at the beginning and leveled there way to 56 before the current elixer rage. They spent months and months building gold stashes, gear stashes, and learning how to play. As an aside, Jaytb is a skilled player in all three classes and I know this from personal experience.

To now lump everyone that uses an elixer together as a bunch of button mashing cheating noobs just isn't correct. There will always be people that don't know how to play their toon correctly. Perhaps elixers make it easier to hide those kinds of mistakes now. But in no way do elixers allow players to buy there way to the top. It still takes time, effort, (and if you use elixers) money to max out toons and outfit them with top of the line gear.

It rather sounds like you have had a bad experience with inexperienced players acting superior because of good gear or elixers and are now taking it out on everyone assuming everyone is all the same.

Jaytb's advice was actually very correct. The solution to this is to develope a good friend list, join a guild of like minded people, and play with those friends in locked instances. It allows you to play and enjoy the game how you like it. And if that isn't enough perhaps this game isn't for you. I hope that isn't the case, but as I said earlier, this game is suppose to be fun. Your fun and others don't have to be the same, but you do have to be ok with others having fun in the ways they choose to play the game.

[Yvonnel]

I have refrained from posting on this thread for a couple of days because I typically don't get involved in these heated arguments. But here we go....

First, I am an older player. At 33 years old so I most certainly not a kid. Secondly, I USE elixirs! A lot of elixirs. Why, I get maybe an hour of playtime a day. Heck, I spend more time on the forums than in game. Elixir use is not a CHEAT or a game SPOILER.

I run with some of the best players in PL. And you want to know what, most of us use elixirs. Most of us who run with elixirs do so for one reason, to get the most out of our time in game. Using elixirs means I can squeeze a couple of extra runs in.

Now if you really want to test your theory that people who use elixirs are "cheating" or "can't play", then some of us more experienced players should do some non elixir runs with you, and let you see that using elixirs does not mean that you can't play. And maybe even see if your playstyle is really as good as your opinion of yourself indicates.

You have had some of the best players I know in PL post their counter-opinions here in this thread. They have remained civil and repectful of your opinion. You have been the one to be disrespectful.

I value all peoples opinions, until they start flinging around un-founded and derogatory comments to, or about other players. You say you are older, really? Your post does not indicate that you are a mature individual. Heck you are kinda throwing a temper tantrum like my 3 year old.


Edit: Ninja'd by the Great Doubletime!

Tapatalk'd from my PowerWashed Fascinate

[StompArtist]

Just to clarify my arguments in this thread:

- I am not against elixir use.
- I am not a big elixir consumer.
- I think that the game is more fun (for me!) with elixirs.
- Having elixir user (especially the combo elixirs) in the group cause me to basically leech.
- I do not think that starting my own games for non elixir folks is a solution.
- I do not know what the solution is. But I definitely see a problem with the current mix of elixir users and non-elixir users. Basically the elixir users are (not intentionally) for the non elixir users into "walking around trying to keep up".

I am sure that there is a solution to this problem that does not include removing elixirs or segregating elixir users and non-elixir users. I do not know what it is but I have seen successful implementations in other games so there is a way. I do believe that having a peaceful and meaningful discussion about it here on the threads could lead to giving STS great ideas on how to resolve this.

Cheers.

[Navygreen]

How is using elixrs cheating? I don't really understand.

[StompArtist]

How is using elixrs cheating? I don't really understand.

It's not cheating if the game allows you to do it or, in fact, encourages you to do so. Case closed. : P

[cynic]

guys you are right , i will devide my stuff today and disband my account.
since i started this ill end this case closed.

[StompArtist]

guys you are right , i will devide my stuff today and disband my account.
since i started this ill end this case closed.

Cynic, you did not start this, other members and myself have been complaining about this state of affairs for a while now: just take it easy and try and discuss it. No need to quit over 1 feature you dislike bro.

[cynic]

its already done gave 1,280000 and all my glyps to a guy named bootslips and deleted account.
Im sorry if i flamed or offended anybody i just wanted to explain myself but it got out of hand.

Im not gonna start this over but i like to have fair game and potions dont add to that.
cu guys and i want to say goodbye in a nice way
ALL enjoy the game.

[StompArtist]

its already done gave 1,280000 and all my glyps to a guy named bootslips and deleted account.
Im sorry if i flamed or offended anybody i just wanted to explain myself but it got out of hand.

Im not gonna start this over but i like to have fair game and potions dont add to that.
cu guys and i want to say goodbye in a nice way
ALL enjoy the game.

Cheers Cynic. Sad to see you go. :(

[Eyesharp]

thnx guys for the comments, i thought all the forum ppl would kill me for this.
Like i said i am making my own elixerfree runs, but in the day time not all my friends are online.
Ive been booting my .ss off, so a lot of elixer users dont like me.

There was a point i dont even know how strong my own gear is because everyone is rushing thru the game!
Really i wanna pay sts for a fun game, in wht way but not for elixers that spoil the game. and not for gear that u supposed to get when u did a lot of work.
Like i said there is no 61 around that worked for his gear.
so why would i now spend money on something that others payed for and there was no work done for it.
61 with demonic gear just bought it!

sts and devs plz make this game fun and exiting again plz plz plz
i buy for 100$ plat just to buy nice dungeons or the option to play low lv dungeons with the option to play say forest haven in elite mode.

when i wanted to play a disney game i would write to disney and ask them, the fun in this game was to find ways to kill mobs or to farm until i had a good gear.


@ navy i got enough money to buy me say 10.000 plat so thats not the problem! but what will i be , a bad player with money

actually im a good player with money but dont know where to spend it lol
I actually like your thought cynic :).Some people in the pl world are not fortunate enough to have enough money to buy plat to buy elixirs so erm can I add you?I'd like to do those runs :)

[Eyesharp]

Aww wait cynic is leaving?Bye even though I didn't get to meet you.I shall always support the thought of no elixirs in game.

[13lacklegionz]

justb thats really helpfull ty. no i never made any friends ur right.
I use the word CHEAT and now its my personality??
@ justb from all ppl i know in this game and all ur helpfull things here on the forum this is what u come up with??? really disapointing

sick twist in this story seems. all the time its my personality man really.
touch the potions and its some ones personality?

so when i have a good personality cheating my way thru a game isnt that bad thats what u r saying.

really ?????? man ive learned something here

up to the store to buy some potion to boost my personality and since im at it i get some botox to make all complete.


Whoa.


By the way, I just realized your name is Cynic xD.

It all makes sense now!

[cynic]

Whoa.


By the way, I just realized your name is Cynic xD.

It all makes sense now!

hahaha,
its my favorite band THE CYNICS from usa, 1 of the things from the usa thats real, they make real music on real instruments!!

I said i like to say goodbye in a nice way so dont tempt me

[13lacklegionz]

Whoa.


By the way, I just realized your name is Cynic xD.

It all makes sense now!

hahaha,
its my favorite band THE CYNICS from usa, 1 of the things from the usa thats real, they make real music on real instruments!!

I said i like to say goodbye in a nice way so dont tempt me

Hehehe.. just a funny coincidence.

I'm gonna check them out then.

Poke, poke.. :D

[cynic]

do, its a great band i think there touring again, i hope to see them for another time :)

[CanonicalKoi]

What i try to explain is that anyone can become 61 in no time even when ur a bad player and everybody can wear a gear with little effort. what fun is that if you worked hard for it like yourself?

This isn't a new problem/question/argument. Go to the search function and look up "Mynas Gen" or "Mynas Generation" or "power-leveling". No, I don't like playing with people that don't know how to play their chars whether they got there by power-leveling or elixirs or whatever. However....for some people, rushing to the summit (for varying values of "summit") *is* what makes them happy. Some people love making a killing in the CS. Some love farming for stuff. Some love collecting a particular item type. Just because it isn't how I like to play doesn't make it wrong--they're enjoying the game in their own way just as I do. All I have to do is to run with people who enjoy the game in the same or similar way as me and have fun. What they do, affects me not. :)

[Suntv]

How is using elixrs cheating? I don't really understand.

An elixer is a "legal" cheat. It's not a cheat as in hacking or illegal, because STS gives you this opportunity. An elixer gives you better power, armor, etcetera which results in some sort of god-modus, referred in Pc games as a cheat. Basicly you cheat the rules of the balanced virtual world (aka Dungeon), making the world unbalanced. Some people don't like the word cheat, because it has a negative vibe.

[cynic]

finaly someone that understands and perfectly explains what i try to say all along !

it has come this far that ppl dont even know what cheating means in a game, it may be because of the negative vibe but they coverd that by ignoring it and say otherwise as a collective. so if everybody does it its no problem and we call it a opportunity or part of a game .
result: the world that was build up perfectly by sts is now become a playground where none matters, not how well you play because were walking like gods
anyway its still cheating, and like my son of 12 says cheating is for losers! (and he learned that on school, its not like i told him)


i looked it up
to deceive; influence by fraud: He cheated us into believing him a hero. lol
if its in the dictonary it must be true

[Yvonnel]

An elixer is a "legal" cheat. It's not a cheat as in hacking or illegal, because STS gives you this opportunity. An elixer gives you better power, armor, etcetera which results in some sort of god-modus, referred in Pc games as a cheat. Basicly you cheat the rules of the balanced virtual world (aka Dungeon), making the world unbalanced. Some people don't like the word cheat, because it has a negative vibe.

Wrong. The meaning of cheat is:

transitive verb
1: to deprive of something valuable by the use of deceit or fraud
2: to influence or lead by deceit, trick, or artifice
3: to elude or thwart by or as if by outwitting

intransitive verb
1a : to practice fraud or trickery
b : to violate rules dishonestly

Now using elixirs does not qualify under any of the above. Elixirs are provided to us by STS, for the explicit purpose of making things faster for those who don't have hours of time at their disposal for the game. I know so many people (many of whom do not, or have no desire to be on the forums) that only spend 30-40 mins a day in game. Now because they don't have the time available to grind xp for hours, they shouldn't be able to get to end game level? Elixirs make it possible for them to get there. And before you spout off that they can't play the game or whatever, that is blatantly wrong. It is an assumption or characterization based off of your general experience.

[Spekticle]

The fun is that I get to play how I want to play. If I spend money on an item, I don't expect it to be a crappy item. It should be a special, money-only item. Elixrs are there to use and enjoy. I never quite understood why people hate others who use elixrs. It's not like they're spending your money. If they like to run around like they're caffeine addicts and clear a dungeon on elixrs, let them be. And I have lots of platinum gear because it's special gear that only money can buy. Of course I spent the doe!

And no i'm not willing to pay a monthly fee. Not at all. My monthly fee is paying Comcast money to keep my internet on so I can log into PL and spend money on plat to fund the developers and keep this game free. I have enough bills. Now I have to pay to play a game, too? I did that when I bought my tablet for half a G. Absolutely not!

And for the record, i'm not upset. I love you all. I just have very strong opinions about things. :frog:

And I like people who use Elixirs. They kill faster in turn getting me more xp faster also.