Clarify please, just a bit scared

[CouchPass]

Hi sts,
This past week or 2 there have been many bannings, notably very wealthy player. I just wanted to clear up some stuff, but I'm not talking about their bans. I just need a dev/mod to just give me a little insight on what requirements make you ban someone? If i gifted my friend 5mil as I quit, would he banned? If I transferred my sns egg to my alt by gifting, would I be banned? If I gifted a random noob a nekro egg, or traded him 8 mil, would we both be banned? I really don't understand... There have also been many rumors of people trading expensive items, and getting banned right after...If I loot orb and sell it, would I be banned? or if I gifted it?

I know you guys can't give the algorithms or whatever but could you just clarify that, if I did nothing against TOS, and a friend gifted me x3 glowstik eggs (I wish), would me and my friend be banned?

(I don't really see a reason as to this post ever being taken down, as I am not discussing personal bans, but am just discussing the criteria to be safe within the game)

Thank you

[Iplo]

I'm looking for a answer for this question aswell.

[ForgottenWarrior]

Any trade 5000000 or above gets flagged, the one which is suspicious gets action. If you quit or any other reason you have to give your proofs. Gifting gears are not getting flagged imo

[Justg]

Hi sts,
This past week or 2 there have been many bannings, notably very wealthy player. I just wanted to clear up some stuff, but I'm not talking about their bans. I just need a dev/mod to just give me a little insight on what requirements make you ban someone? If i gifted my friend 5mil as I quit, would he banned? If I transferred my sns egg to my alt by gifting, would I be banned? If I gifted a random noob a nekro egg, or traded him 8 mil, would we both be banned? I really don't understand... There have also been many rumors of people trading expensive items, and getting banned right after...If I loot orb and sell it, would I be banned? or if I gifted it?

I know you guys can't give the algorithms or whatever but could you just clarify that, if I did nothing against TOS, and a friend gifted me x3 glowstik eggs (I wish), would me and my friend be banned?

(I don't really see a reason as to this post ever being taken down, as I am not discussing personal bans, but am just discussing the criteria to be safe within the game)

Thank you

None of the above cases would lead to a ban. Buying and selling gold or accounts leads to a ban. And yes we are on to the trick of laundering gold through the consignment shop. Just play straight and you have nothing to fear.

[Azerothraven]

You can banned for selling account or gold for real money as far as i am aware. I once tried to buy gold when i was noob from someone else but i didn't in the end. Boy am i glad!

[macquin]

That is my point yesterday in my thread but you just locked it immediately justg thanks for the clarification now I can play with no fear again.

[Mess]

None of the above cases would lead to a ban. Buying and selling gold or accounts leads to a ban. And yes we are on to the trick of laundering gold through the consignment shop. Just play straight and you have nothing to fear.

So, I have a friend who is quitting and he offered me his gold, I rejected it because of the bans. Can I accept it with no fear then?

[CouchPass]

None of the above cases would lead to a ban. Buying and selling gold or accounts leads to a ban. And yes we are on to the trick of laundering gold through the consignment shop. Just play straight and you have nothing to fear.

Thanks for your response, very happy to hear that!
Can now play without fear of getting banned hahaa, thanks gary

[dinzly]

None of the above cases would lead to a ban. Buying and selling gold or accounts leads to a ban. And yes we are on to the trick of laundering gold through the consignment shop. Just play straight and you have nothing to fear.
out of the topic.sorry Mr. CouchPass..can we hv super smelly armor vanity this year?need clarification too[emoji13] [emoji13]

[Plqgue]

It's funny how everyone keeps acting like innocent people are getting banned

[CouchPass]

It's funny how everyone keeps acting like innocent people are getting banned

Some of them are innocent.. Can you prove that everyone that's getting banned completely deserves it?

[Loveshot]

It's funny how everyone keeps acting like innocent people are getting banned

Exploiters are scrambling ^^

[Marlon Macapinlac]

because they want reduce the economy gold

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[Plqgue]

Some of them are innocent.. Can you prove that everyone that's getting banned completely deserves it?

Can you prove they don't??

[Nabhunter]

Can you prove they don't??

I don't know where you live but atleast in most countries people are always innocent before someone can prove their guilty. So your "backfire" doesn't make any sense my friend :)

[CouchPass]

Can you prove they don't??

It's fine to presume someone innocent unless you have obvious proof (Which I don't believe you have?), but on the other hand, you shouldn't accuse someone of being guilty without any proof.. They're not the same thing.

[Plqgue]

I don't know where you live but atleast in most countries people are always innocent before someone can prove their guilty. So your "backfire" doesn't make any sense my friend :)

Well seeing as how only sts devs can see the data I'd presume them guilty because they aren't gonna ban for no reason so yes my retort does make sense

[quileos]

Unless you hv invested in it there's no reason to be scared cuz you won't really lose anything.

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[quileos]

Well seeing as how only sts devs can see the data I'd presume them guilty because they aren't gonna ban for no reason so yes my retort does make sense
Well! Presuming "as how only sts devs can see the data" it's not for us to presume who's guilty and who's not. It's wise to hv an idea about something when it's perceived directly through one's own observations.

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[Oursizes]

Well seeing as how only sts devs can see the data I'd presume them guilty because they aren't gonna ban for no reason so yes my retort does make sense

Well ive heard someone getting banned for buying a pet, and another well known player banned who has spent much cash on this game. I don't believe they were laundering or exploiting, etc. Explain it genius

[Plqgue]

Well! Presuming "as how only sts devs can see the data" it's not for us to presume who's guilty and who's not. It's wise to hv an idea about something when it's perceived directly through one's own observations.

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It's not really a presumption...it's more of a trust in sts to know more about who's cheating and who isn't than you

[Plqgue]

Well ive heard someone getting banned for buying a pet, and another well known player banned who has spent much cash on this game. I don't believe they were laundering or exploiting, etc. Explain it genius

Do you have 100% proof they weren't? Or is this just hearsay ? Because hearsay doesn't stand up in any court... justg and his team are finally banning the scum in this game and I'm glad they are.

[quileos]

It's not really a presumption...it's more of a trust in sts to know more about who's cheating and who isn't than you
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I see how you change the subject from presumption to trust now.If that's the case then u should correct "I'd presume them guilty" in ur comments above.

Well seeing as how only sts devs can see the data I'd presume them guilty because they aren't gonna ban for no reason so yes my retort does make sense


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[intizamfamily888]

So i can still transfer my gold between my alts with two devices or through a midman?

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[bhe]

i always gift jewel to my friend,, there possible me and my friend would banned?
please anyone can answer so that i stop what i do..tnx

[ThaAnas]

Do you have 100% proof they weren't? Or is this just hearsay ? Because hearsay doesn't stand up in any court... justg and his team are finally banning the scum in this game and I'm glad they are.

You dont get the point man, many player got banned because of a suspicion... Some have not done anything wrong and got banned.
I bought an glowstik egg, and I got banned ... now if their informations are missing about that trade, it leads to a ban.
How should I now defend my side, I told them everything about that trade ... but they decide if they believe or not as long as u dont have a vid or ss of that trade.

[shadowronn]

You dont get the point man, many player got banned because of a suspicion... Some have not done anything wrong and got banned.
I bought an glowstik egg, and I got banned ... now if their informations are missing about that trade, it leads to a ban.
How should I now defend my side, I told them everything about that trade ... but they decide if they believe or not as long as u dont have a vid or ss of that trade.

lesson learnt : always record your trades

[CouchPass]

It's not really a presumption...it's more of a trust in sts to know more about who's cheating and who isn't than you

Trust and proof aren't the same thing. You can't really speak for STS, even they make mistakes, or they wouldn't have a support email...
And, if you don't have a reason to believe our side of the views, then why should we acknowledge that your side makes any sense.. Some people did wrongly get banned, one of my best friends got banned after his friend gifted him expensive items before quitting. I'm also sure that STS is working hard on the problem, and he will be getting his account back.

[CouchPass]

lesson learnt : always record your trades

You can't really expect to record every trade, merchers wouldn't have any space on AL for their phones then hahah

[Plqgue]

So you guys have actual proof they didn't cheat or just assuming because YOU personally think they're innocent? It's really funny how many of these threads are being made by so called legit players who are scared...why are you scared? Have you done something against tos to make you scared to lose your account?
I do a lot of trading and guess what I'm not banned so I highly doubt people are getting banned for just buying something...if that's the case why do I see people running around with arc armors and selling orbs/glows and not getting banned?

[mssweety]

So you guys have actual proof they didn't cheat or just assuming because YOU personally think they're innocent? It's really funny how many of these threads are being made by so called legit players who are scared...why are you scared? Have you done something against tos to make you scared to lose your account?
I do a lot of trading and guess what I'm not banned so I highly doubt people are getting banned for just buying something...if that's the case why do I see people running around with arc armors and selling orbs/glows and not getting banned?
so i actually didnt want to say anything but i guess some ppl take it too far.
accusing ppl of something isnt nice in the first place. and yes u do not have any proof of the ppl who got banned and u cannot just call everyone who got banned out as ^cheaters^ im sure there are ppl using bugs buying igns accaunts what ever. and sts is trying to catch them in their way.
i can confirm if thats gona make u feel better that innocent ppl did get banned aswell. and unbanned after STS confirmed that they were not ^cheaters^
and someone got banned for buying a glow. if u followed some threads u will even be able to see who.
so id suggest everyone just stopps calling everyone who get banned a ^cheater^.
since u didnt get banned and cant know whats actually going on..
and yes support is working on it and we (the banned once) are waiting..
just stopp blaming and judging ppl for something.. you cant stereotype.
seriously..


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[Twerk]

So you guys have actual proof they didn't cheat or just assuming because YOU personally think they're innocent? It's really funny how many of these threads are being made by so called legit players who are scared...why are you scared? Have you done something against tos to make you scared to lose your account?
I do a lot of trading and guess what I'm not banned so I highly doubt people are getting banned for just buying something...if that's the case why do I see people running around with arc armors and selling orbs/glows and not getting banned?

Stop it Mariah. There's your champagne.

[CouchPass]

So you guys have actual proof they didn't cheat or just assuming because YOU personally think they're innocent? It's really funny how many of these threads are being made by so called legit players who are scared...why are you scared? Have you done something against tos to make you scared to lose your account?
I do a lot of trading and guess what I'm not banned so I highly doubt people are getting banned for just buying something...if that's the case why do I see people running around with arc armors and selling orbs/glows and not getting banned?

As I stated I'm not banned, I'm simply inquiring for many people who ARE banned, you might wanna stop smashing you keyboard for a bit, and read what other people say
(Just because you are hitting your keys harder, doesn't make me read it with more conviction..)

[Tatman]

The issue here is simple:

Player X trades 20m to Player Y with nothing in return.

How do we know if this is "gold buying", a gift to a friend, a transfer between two accounts of the same person, a GM giving a reward to a contest winner etc.

There is simply no way to know unless STS has infiltrated some third party apps. :)

[CouchPass]

The issue here is simple:

Player X trades 20m to Player Y with nothing in return.

How do we know if this is "gold buying", a gift to a friend, a transfer between two accounts of the same person, a GM giving a reward to a contest winner etc.

There is simply no way to know unless STS has infiltrated some third party apps. :)

I agree, that's the point I am trying to make. You can never be 100% sure.. which is why it shouldn't be banned UNLESS you have proof (pm's sent, friend's snitched and has ss etc.)

[macquin]

I just hope customer support will reply immediately for our explanation. This issue is too complicated. For me im just hoping they will not ban wrong person. I cant accept my hard work suddenly dissappear in one mistake by sts. I hope everything will be back to normal.

[Plqgue]

stop it mariah. There's your champagne.

lol
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[archer queen]

if you always gift jewel to your other account there have possible you would banned???

[Terminhater]

This is my theory on the matter,

STS perhaps notices tons of gold in an account without legit plat offers, or platinum purchases being converted to gold.

Some say 'oh I sold many X items for lots of money'. The thing is STS wants to know where you got that amount of gold to buy that many expensive X items in the first place, and also perhaps why the gold is constantly being distributed - akin to laundering.

Demographics may play a part. If mrPvptrashtalkerxyz lives in a country where income is low and yet has all the op gears, new set, tens of millions in gold and latest arcane pet, then I'm sure STS latches onto account and has it under investigation.

Personally, I'm glad STS is getting aggressive, I hope they go super saiyan and totally throw out the exploitative cheating trash.

There's no smoke without fire.

[ThaAnas]

The issue here is simple:

Player X trades 20m to Player Y with nothing in return.

How do we know if this is "gold buying", a gift to a friend, a transfer between two accounts of the same person, a GM giving a reward to a contest winner etc.

There is simply no way to know unless STS has infiltrated some third party apps. :)

If you dont understand how the world nowadays works then pls dont involve urself...
Every step in real life or in game gets monitored, if you do smth the game automaticly creates a code, history whatever...
So if you trade smth... > there is code
Player B <trade> Glowstik Egg <Trade/> Player A <trade> 5800000gold <trade/>
something in that way, I m not a specialist for that...
if there are trades involved where a certain amount of gold comes into play it can be monitored...
now if informations of that trade are missing ... f.e. conversation between Player A to B, or Trade is not complited...
it seems wired so thats how you can get banned...

For example: you tell ur friend via whatsapp, line whatever come online I will pay u back my depts ... and u dont comunicate in game and u trade him 5m for nothing" then you can get banned because of that

[Babyeterne]

Much drama any dev please close it now.

IGN: Positive

[mssweety]

Much drama any dev please close it now.

IGN: Positive
u know that u can just ^not read^ right?
just let the ppl say what they have to say. sts will lock it down at the end anyways


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[quileos]

So you guys have actual proof they didn't cheat or just assuming because YOU personally think they're innocent? It's really funny how many of these threads are being made by so called legit players who are scared...why are you scared? Have you done something against tos to make you scared to lose your account?
I do a lot of trading and guess what I'm not banned so I highly doubt people are getting banned for just buying something...if that's the case why do I see people running around with arc armors and selling orbs/glows and not getting banned?
Right! However do you have actual proof that all those who got banned did cheat by some way or the other? I guess you don't. So you are just blindly accusing people with no real basis. Maybe it ll be better for you to speak about what you claim here with some real info this time.

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[Plqgue]

Right! However do you have actual proof that all those who got banned did cheat by some way or the other? I guess you don't. So you are just blindly accusing people with no real basis. Maybe it ll be better for you to speak about what you claim here with some real info this time.

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Again do you have proof they didn't? If not you're doing the same

[quileos]

Again do you have proof they didn't? If not you're doing the same
Again do you have proof that all of them did? Whilst none of my comments are accusative other than yours which does.

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[Plqgue]

Again do you have proof they did? Whilst none of my comments are accusative other than yours which does.

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Lol so you have no proof they're innocent but I'm supposed to take your word over the word of the developers who can actually see what's going on with every account?? No proof=guilty

[quileos]

Lol so you have no proof they're innocent but I'm supposed to take your word over the word of the developers who can actually see what's going on with every account?? No proof=guilty
As said above neither do you have any proof of what you claim? which only shows your level of ignorance being high enough rather than being rational about the matter. No proof = No false accusations. Trust your eyes , not just words.

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[Plqgue]

As said above neither do you have any proof of what you claim? which only shows your level of ignorance being high enough rather than being rational about the matter. No proof = No false accusations. Trust your eyes not words.

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My proof is the devs can see what you can't what's yours??

[quileos]

My proof is the devs can see what you can't what's yours??
That's where you are wrong. One's perspective can never be another's perspective whilst the latter cant perceive the same as of the former. My proof is same as your comment aka the devs can see what you can't so you are in no point to accuse others which implies that you should be neutral about it.

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[Plqgue]

That's where you are wrong. One's perspective can never be another's perspective whilst the latter cant perceive the same as of the former. My proof is same as your comment aka the devs can see what you can't so you are in no point to accuse others which implies that you should be neutral about it.

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Why should I be neutral about this topic ? I've hated cheaters in Al for a while now and have been waiting for this day I'm glad the criminals are reaping what they sowed

[mssweety]

Why should I be neutral about this topic ? I've hated cheaters in Al for a while now and have been waiting for this day I'm glad the criminals are reaping what they sowed
lmao. no point in arguing with this dude.
ppl are free to belive what they want.
just hope for u. that u get banned unfairly 1 day and we remind you of ur comments and accusations.
Good luck.
#stop the hate

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[mssweety]

If you haven't done anything wrong you can do notthing else but interact with support about your case. Fighting with nabs on the forums won't help you get your account unbanned. They do nott make the decision whether you were unjustly banned or nott, STS support does.

Try to keep the conversation as professional and peaceful as possible(no matter how incompetent you think they are). Also try nott to misinterpret anything, which I see you have a tendency to do.

Flying off the handle and constantly badgering people who are themselves badgering you doesn't help anyone's case.

Gl
yeah i done that already 6 days ago and still waiting.. its just annoying to watch ppl put everyone in the same pot and call them out stuff. that it my only point.
same as if he would call all pvp players dummy farmers right? wouldnt be fair to do that and wouldnt be true..
but yeah ur right..
ill go into silent mood & back to waiting.


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[quileos]

Why should I be neutral about this topic ? I've hated cheaters in Al for a while now and have been waiting for this day I'm glad the criminals are reaping what they sowed
Your hate for certain players is understandable if you had some bad experiences in game with few. However you should also consider that not all of those who got banned were defaulters as saying "criminals" would be inappropriate. There might be players who were midman without knowing that they were helping the cheaters. There might also be players who farmed hard for months just so they could buy their favourite arcane eggs but ended up buying it cheap from someone who must have been a defaulter. I'm not the first one to say this as there are other comments mentioning this same scenario as well. You say that all those who got banned must be accused because the devs know it right? Well! Now I ask u something. Can you justify their ban who didn't have any clue about what went wrong according to what you mention every time ? Let me tell you " Devs know it" but we don't. They knew that they didn't do anything wrong to violate the TOS but we don't. That's why I told to be neutral about this matter. Open your eyes mate!

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[ThaAnas]

Lol so you have no proof they're innocent but I'm supposed to take your word over the word of the developers who can actually see what's going on with every account?? No proof=guilty


If I claim you are a scammer, could you proof the opposite that you aren't?
So I m totally sure ur answer is no... that means - you are guilty ...
thats what you want us to tell?

[Justg]

Shutting this one down.

Thank you to those who play by the rules.