Nerf Rogue

[Sanbor]

This is not normal with rogue fetches me where I got hit me 6,7k hp 3.300arm

[Daehanie]

Shifty eyes........

[Nabhunter]

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I'm tired of this "nerf rogue, nerf mage, warrior and mage need buff"
In my opinion there has been too big hazzle with nerfing and balancing classes. Every class have their weak spot and strong spot. And people are tired for these threads. Thanks :P


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[Mess]

Yawwwnnnnnnnnn

[Gouiwaa9000]

Idk if its normal for a mage with 3.2k armor and 6.4k hp to loose 60-100% hp while shield is up from a skill that has a 2s cooldown......
If thats what sts intended then ok , if not then something has to change

[Plqgue]

+1 I told y'all rogues wouldn't be happy until they're one comboing anything in sight and I was right ...pls bring balance

[SkipperSkinner]

I don't know much about pvp but a nerf on rogue would also affect their role in pve, just something to think about when asking for this, there is much more to game mechanics then pvp.

[Alwarez]

You will be OK :)

[runagain]

Just play ^-^, Every season is diff, with each time another best class.. this time it's Rogue, cap56: mage, 46:tank, 41: Rogue. Let tank and Rogue cry at forum.. Don't ruin mage reputation *.*

United we one!

[Rakuuun]

please moderator close this thread thanks

[Intous]

159352
This is what I think.

[Iplo]

My opinion is that if rogue gets nerfed, warrior has to loose health or something too. I have a very good rogue with 10-15m gear and sometimes I have hard time beating a warrior with 2m gear. Just because they have so much hp and armor.
I dont say that Im pro or anything but I think that it's should be an easy cake if rogue is so "op".

[Goen]

Just play ^-^, Every season is diff, with each time another best class.. this time it's Rogue, cap56: mage, 46:tank, 41: Rogue. Let tank and Rogue cry at forum.. Don't ruin mage reputation *.*

United we one!
Addition for pve, this lvl cap, mage the most op and demanded

[Keeese]

I agree man aimed shot is a very cheap skill I feel like rogue is the strongest but weakest class when it comes to playing with skills mostly rogues jus aim shot... w/o aim shot they would be jus like all classes balanced but this is just my opinion

[Magemagix]

I agree man aimed shot is a very cheap skill I feel like rogue is the strongest but weakest class when it comes to playing with skills mostly rogues jus aim shot... w/o aim shot they would be jus like all classes balanced but this is just my opinion
Aimshot is unique for rogues. Same goes for arcane shield for mages nd jugg for tanks.

An op rogue can be beaten by a tank who knws what he is doing. Same goes for mages.

Ya i do agree mages have a hard time if nt op or skilled.

Every season there is one class that will be better than others.

This time is rogue to some extent, before expansion was for mages. Tanks are op at twinks nd old 47-50 bracket.

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[Magemagix]

U will be ok
-JustG

*thread closed*

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[Irg]

Be honest, what matter the most now in pvp? warrior
what matter the most in endgame pve? mage
good in both mage and warrior is easy to beat rogue, paper u know
at my option, the class is fairly balanced atm now all class have unique skill, ablity and pros and cons
every class plays a different but same, important role in a team

[yubaraj]

Plus 1 to this thread.

[Ceuidear]

Just bcoz a rogue killed u PVP it doesn't mean Rogues r OP, each & every class has got a unique set of stats, skills & combos which r different from each other. Its up to player's playing skills & tactic to know what to use when.
Now there is thread saying Nerf Rogue for sake of PVP just bcoz of some good combos later after (IF) the class receives a nerf another thread pops up saying Buff rogues for sake of PVE as the party gets slow bcoz of the nerf.

[Plqgue]

Just bcoz a rogue killed u PVP it doesn't mean Rogues r OP, each & every class has got a unique set of stats, skills & combos which r different from each other. Its up to player's playing skills & tactic to know what to use when.
Now there is thread saying Nerf Rogue for sake of PVP just bcoz of some good combos later after (IF) the class receives a nerf another thread pops up saying Buff rogues for sake of PVE as the party gets slow bcoz of the nerf.

What tactic do you suggest mages use when rogues combo through shield and kill us? Redrawn and get farmed? Yeah great tactic

[Fsuryo]

NERF MAUSOLEUM ROGUE!
xD

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[intizamfamily888]

The balance atm is just fine. In pve all classes can compete and in pvp all classes have their roles now noone is useless. In my opinion atm we have the best balance till now.
Good job STS

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[intizamfamily888]

What tactic do you suggest mages use when rogues combo through shield and kill us? Redrawn and get farmed? Yeah great tactic
Just use gale, so u can stay alife 5 secs more xD

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[johnycageee]

The balance atm is just fine. In pve all classes can compete and in pvp all classes have their roles now noone is useless. In my opinion atm we have the best balance till now.
Good job STS

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Well said.
Nothing to add.

[Cons]

If you don't like the balance of pvp then go to pve. This game isnt only revolving in PvP.

[Alwarez]

If you don't like the balance of pvp then go to pve. This game isnt only revolving in PvP.

Best solution so far since pvp in this game doesn't have any specific rewards except for some title and banner. If your ego doesnt need them, you'll be fine

And if you wanna play just for fun... eh in my opinion, this pvp can't be fun since oneshots and one-combos are there since cap 31 at least. I'd rather play an actual shooter game instead if I wanna oneshot ppl

[Hail]

Best solution so far since pvp in this game doesn't have any specific rewards except for some title and banner. If your ego doesnt need them, you'll be fine

And if you wanna play just for fun... eh in my opinion, this pvp can't be fun since oneshots and one-combos are there since cap 31 at least. I'd rather play an actual shooter game instead if I wanna oneshot ppl

I don't play any shooters competitively but isn't a headshot generally a 1 shot?

[Alwarez]

I don't play any shooters competitively but isn't a headshot generally a 1 shot?

Not in every game.

[Plqgue]

NERF MAUSOLEUM ROGUE!
xD

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Agreed that aim is dangerous

[Excuses]

Only for dmg of rogue in pvp.
All these one shot with speed set messed up endgame pvp imo.

[Fsuryo]

Agreed that aim is dangerous
Aim? You should feel their razor shield.

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[SkipperSkinner]

Aim? You should feel their razor shield.

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I have more deaths from razor shield and aimed shot then curse.....

[boohgey]

Rogue- PVP
Mage- PVE
Warrior- Neutral

AM B(°o°)(°o°)HGEYMAN!

[TipsyLife]

I seen it myself in pvp some mage even die thought that shield and I know without that shield, mage dies and that's the only good thing they have so it shouldn't be able to break so easily. But about the rogue nerf, that wouldn't be a good idea for people who play the game just to pve and rank up. I also seen some mage kill rogues 1 on 1 because they know what they are doing

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[TipsyLife]

I seen it myself in pvp some mage even die thought that shield and I know without that shield, mage dies and that's the only good thing they have so it shouldn't be able to break so easily. But about the rogue nerf, that wouldn't be a good idea for people who play the game just to pve and rank up. I also seen some mage kill rogues 1 on 1 because they know what they are doing

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[Hail]

I seen it myself in pvp some mage even die thought that shield and I know without that shield, mage dies and that's the only good thing they have so it shouldn't be able to break so easily. But about the rogue nerf, that wouldn't be a good idea for people who play the game just to pve and rank up. I also seen some mage kill rogues 1 on 1 because they know what they are doing

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This. ;)

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[yubaraj]

I seen it myself in pvp some mage even die thought that shield and I know without that shield, mage dies and that's the only good thing they have so it shouldn't be able to break so easily. But about the rogue nerf, that wouldn't be a good idea for people who play the game just to pve and rank up. I also seen some mage kill rogues 1 on 1 because they know what they are doing

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If rogue looses on vs with mage in endgame then that rogue is clueless what he/she doing or way undergeared than the mage.
Btw ping plays most important role. Rogues are plain op in vs with mages.

[Sakurahb]

If there's any kind of nerf please keep it in PvP,
PvE players have nothing to do with this.

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[Intous]

Even undergeared rogues can farm maxed and skilled mages nowadays I only join PvP in very rare occasions but I always experience/ see this and nowadays a mage without shield is like a sausage out of its bun, even warriors hunt them, seriously either make shield unbreakable or stronger or both.

[Sakurahb]

Even undergeared rogues can farm maxed and skilled mages nowadays I only join PvP in very rare occasions but I always experience/ see this and nowadays a mage without shield is like a sausage out of its bun, even warriors hunt them, seriously either make shield unbreakable or stronger or both.
I know this might be silly but did it come to your mind that the problem is mage shield and not rogue aimed shot ?
I try to play pvp on some days and I have a really hard time killing tanks (I might just be bad at it).
So If there's a nerf on rogue how will It be possible for them to kill a tank ? Seems already hard to me .

You also said that even tanks hunt mages,so I guess...nerf tanks?

[Keshara28]

Lol again nerf Rouge .....😕Enough for rog nerfing😐

* Need 10 posts

[johnycageee]

Even undergeared rogues can farm maxed and skilled mages nowadays I only join PvP in very rare occasions but I always experience/ see this and nowadays a mage without shield is like a sausage out of its bun, even warriors hunt them, seriously either make shield unbreakable or stronger or both.
Don't be ridiculous please.
Mage who know how to use skills,can easily eat rogue on vs.
I was fighting with a lot of mages in endgame pvp (I'm a rogue),and mages with gale and other skills know how to stun rogue...
You just need to learn how to pvp,perform your skills,change your styles,don't come on forum and cry about nerfs.
Just learn how to play,that's all.

[yubaraj]

Don't be ridiculous please.
Mage who know how to use skills,can easily eat rogue on vs.
I was fighting with a lot of mages in endgame pvp (I'm a rogue),and mages with gale and other skills know how to stun rogue...
You just need to learn how to pvp,perform your skills,change your styles,don't come on forum and cry about nerfs.
Just learn how to play,that's all.

you are loosing to a mage in vs who is using gale. And you are getting stunned while vs fighting mage. Maybe seems like you need learn how to play.

[Tasitrix]

Its a fact ROGUES MUST BE NERFED. Im joining the battle as mage, i have 7.2k health 3.5k armor, 1440dmg with 56 arc weapon. BOM just a 1 tap or click and you died! With the shield it takes a little bit longer but no change. U hitting fireball nicely but lightning dodged and u died.

The other 2 real problems;

Shielded arcane abilities of pets
And the speed set

Nekro's aa is bring unbalanced fights. Every characters have different abilites. But mages shield is not special with those pets. If the warriors and rogues can use shield, why mages have this ability as Speacial Ability? If 3 character uses that, its not special anymore.

And the speed sets. If you have one of these set as rogue, no change for enemy mage. When u used ur shield the rogue already went the rocks back. And waits for your shields end. And again just 1 shot and you died.

I think i have enough gears to play pvp. Yes not perfect gears but enough to kill somebody. I tried every combination of abilities, gears and combos. But mages and warriors always prepares free kills for rogues.

Its fact STS. They must think about it.

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[Magemagix]

Its a fact ROGUES MUST BE NERFED. Im joining the battle as mage, i have 7.2k health 3.5k armor, 1440dmg with 56 arc weapon. BOM just a 1 tap or click and you died! With the shield it takes a little bit longer but no change. U hitting fireball nicely but lightning dodged and u died.

The other 2 real problems;

Shielded arcane abilities of pets
And the speed set

Nekro's aa is bring unbalanced fights. Every characters have different abilites. But mages shield is not special with those pets. If the warriors and rogues can use shield, why mages have this ability as Speacial Ability? If 3 character uses that, its not special anymore.

And the speed sets. If you have one of these set as rogue, no change for enemy mage. When u used ur shield the rogue already went the rocks back. And waits for your shields end. And again just 1 shot and you died.

I think i have enough gears to play pvp. Yes not perfect gears but enough to kill somebody. I tried every combination of abilities, gears and combos. But mages and warriors always prepares free kills for rogues.

Its fact STS. They must think about it.

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Idk what u r trying to say here. Bt can rogues dodge skills too O.O as i knw of only auto attacks can be dodged.

To counter a speed set rogue u need a speed set, otherwise u will get farmed. Bt for normal rogues u can kill them. Stats arent always the thing. Moreover u need alot more dmg. Ur dmg is vry low tbh.

When u vs a rogue, u need to keep them fighting u, nd jst when there nekro shield is down stun lock nd hit them hard. For that u need timing nd op dmg abt 1.9-2.1k.

Rogues still can counter it bt nt all do ;)

Ik some mages that r skilled in killing rogues too.

Bt tbh it always was like this ri8?

Rogue kill mage, mage kill tank, tank kill rogue.

So thats balanced imo.



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[Tasitrix]

Idk what u r trying to say here. Bt can rogues dodge skills too O.O as i knw of only auto attacks can be dodged.

To counter a speed set rogue u need a speed set, otherwise u will get farmed. Bt for normal rogues u can kill them. Stats arent always the thing. Moreover u need alot more dmg. Ur dmg is vry low tbh.

When u vs a rogue, u need to keep them fighting u, nd jst when there nekro shield is down stun lock nd hit them hard. For that u need timing nd op dmg abt 1.9-2.1k.

Rogues still can counter it bt nt all do ;)

Ik some mages that r skilled in killing rogues too.

Bt tbh it always was like this ri8?

Rogue kill mage, mage kill tank, tank kill rogue.

So thats balanced imo.



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I dont say i cant kill rogues. Its possible i dint trying to say its impossible. Just think about it 1 rog can kill more than people maybe 2 mage (Not 2 vs 1) but warriors can too but if u are mage and if your shield cooldown is ended, you must hide. Otherwise you gonna banished by the others.

Finally i think we need mage buff maybe.

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[intizamfamily888]

Am i the only one who doesnt care about kills as tank? I mean the ability to cover the whole team is the best thing imo.

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[johnycageee]

you are loosing to a mage in vs who is using gale. And you are getting stunned while vs fighting mage. Maybe seems like you need learn how to play.
When ganger teach me how to play as rogue....
Tell me,with which skill I can stun you?
Only charged normal attack...
U have fireball,gale,lighting strike,even if I use razor he dont work for always...
So don't try to be smart,because you only can gang,otherwise u leave room...
So shut the......

[matthew (flash)]

loooooooooooooooooooooooooool

[matthew (flash)]

loooooooooooooooooooooool

[yubaraj]

When ganger teach me how to play as rogue....
Tell me,with which skill I can stun you?
Only charged normal attack...
U have fireball,gale,lighting strike,even if I use razor he dont work for always...
So don't try to be smart,because you only can gang,otherwise u leave room...
So shut the......

Haha. I am not teaching u. I am simply stating a fact and while in vs rogue doesn't need to stun mages.

I don't know who you are but I simply don't gang. If you are being ganged by me then it should be you who started ganging first. My ign was yubpvp and current ign is gangmenoobs if you are mistaken me for someone else. Lets not bring the hate of PvP in the forum please.

[johnycageee]

Haha. I am not teaching u. I am simply stating a fact and while in vs rogue doesn't need to stun mages.

I don't know who you are but I simply don't gang. If you are being ganged by me then it should be you who started ganging first. My ign was yubpvp and current ign is gangmenoobs if you are mistaken me for someone else. Lets not bring the hate of PvP in the forum please.
I didn't needed to gang you ever,because I rekted u when we was alone in map...
When someone joined,I start fight with him and you jumped...thats gang clearly...
But nevermind,I dont bringing pvp problems here,just saying everything now is fine,don't need any nerf,especially for rogues....
Cheers

[yubaraj]

I didn't needed to gang you ever,because I rekted u when we was alone in map...
When someone joined,I start fight with him and you jumped...thats gang clearly...
But nevermind,I dont bringing pvp problems here,just saying everything now is fine,don't need any nerf,especially for rogues....
Cheers

I don't remember ganging like that. Anyways you said you rekt me. If that's true then you may not be afraid to duel me. I challenge you for duel. My ign gangmenoobs.

I am sorry to derail this thread but this guy is attacking me on personal level.

[sellins]

Its a fact ROGUES MUST BE NERFED. Im joining the battle as mage, i have 7.2k health 3.5k armor, 1440dmg with 56 arc weapon. BOM just a 1 tap or click and you died! With the shield it takes a little bit longer but no change. U hitting fireball nicely but lightning dodged and u died.

The other 2 real problems;

Shielded arcane abilities of pets
And the speed set

Nekro's aa is bring unbalanced fights. Every characters have different abilites. But mages shield is not special with those pets. If the warriors and rogues can use shield, why mages have this ability as Speacial Ability? If 3 character uses that, its not special anymore.

And the speed sets. If you have one of these set as rogue, no change for enemy mage. When u used ur shield the rogue already went the rocks back. And waits for your shields end. And again just 1 shot and you died.

I think i have enough gears to play pvp. Yes not perfect gears but enough to kill somebody. I tried every combination of abilities, gears and combos. But mages and warriors always prepares free kills for rogues.

Its fact STS. They must think about it.

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First your damage is low, use a 61 gun maybe? Doubt staff is any good vs rogues since I've seen mages with 2k+ damage and rogues can not dodge skills only auto, idk what you mean by dodging light but imo Pvp is balanced now since
Mage > Warrior
Rogue > Mage
Warrior > Rogue
Ofc if you have the gear and ping plus know what you're doing you can beat the other classes then.
If rogue aim were to get nerfed then this cycle is going to break as Mage beats both classes or have a higher chance on beating Rogues/Equal
Rogues are meant to be single target though

[mrm]

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Nothing wrong with rogue's the problem lies with the shield this skill needs to be looked at and fixed
Reason:
*Due to shield CD a rogue can simply rush the mage if he manges to kill her and the shield will still be in CD.R.I.P
*It brakes no mather what you do even with mastry 2 aim shot could brake it
Possible fixes
* Like spell said in her thread why not just make shield last the entire lifetime and not brake
*Make a new formula that it works by curtly the formula depends on your strength and int stats, if we could work around that srt stat for a shield mages can use gear that actually builds up critical and stand a chance
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Aside from that, it's no rumer that a under geared rogue can easy take out even maxed gear mages another thing that ca solve this/might , is if the range of aim shot would be decreased that would make running rogue's less of a problem also.

IMO PvP was a lot more fun back at 56 cap with out this class on any of the pvp maps. (personal opinion)

i would like to add to the above i was able to get around 50 critical but at the cost of my hp drops from almost 7k to 3k my damge drops from 2k to 1.6k (can't rember my dps)
Thank you for reading and i hope that the developers looks in to it.

[yubaraj]

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
i would like to add to the above i was able to get around 50 critical but at the cost of my hp drops from almost 7k to 3k my damge drops from 2k to 1.6k (can't rember my dps)
Thank you for reading and i hope that the developers looks in to it.

Here is my current stat for PvP.

I reach 50% crit with these gears.
159376

I don't mind getting killed by equally geared and skilled player in duel. Which is not the case btw

[mrm]

Here is my current stat for PvP.

I reach 50% crit with these gears.
159376

I don't mind getting killed by equally geared and skilled player in duel. Which is not the case btw
Im talking about the avg geared mages vs the way under geard rogue's
no mather what the case the rog will kil the mage in TDM all due to the shield cd time/ and or it braking easy
my main focus was more on the shield it self and not the critical stats of a mage i just used that as an example
even at you 99% maxed rate of gear can u still fight a rog using nekro, exc fin jewel's,brut daggers and arc ding//deary rings... both your shield and nekro's shield wil be cd ...Also ts wise to remember the most people don't own speend set dus can't run and hid behind rocks ect.

[yubaraj]

Im talking about the avg geared mages vs the way under geard rogue's
no mather what the case the rog will kil the mage in TDM all due to the shield cd time/ and or it braking easy
my main focus was more on the shield it self and not the critical stats of a mage i just used that as an example
even at you 99% maxed rate of gear can u still fight a rog using nekro, exc fin jewel's,brut daggers and arc ding//deary rings... both your shield and nekro's shield wil be cd ...Also ts wise to remember the most people don't own speend set dus can't run and hid behind rocks ect.

Nope I won't survive. Rogues are one hitting any mages.

Anyways I am saying the same thing. Mages getting killed so easily by rogues is not fair.

[Motherless_Child]

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i'm tired of this "nerf rogue, nerf mage, warrior and mage need buff"
in my opinion there has been too big hazzle with nerfing and balancing classes. Every class have their weak spot and strong spot. And people are tired for these threads. Thanks :p


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lmfao!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[mrm]

Nope I won't survive. Rogues are one hitting any mages.

Anyways I am saying the same thing. Mages getting killed so easily by rogues is not fair.
That'swhat rogue's are describeing as fair funny enough they still wander why most mages was against the buff of rogues last season

of topic
If i use my brug set wich gives high str and int and i use shield
and the in the 2 sec of immunity i swap to my critical set (lethal) wil the damge reduced calulation that was done on brut set still stay ? hard to explain