View Full Version : Whatever happened to teamwork?!?!
Gaddy
10-08-2011, 11:57 PM
Hi,
I've been away from the game for a while, and restarted when I heard about the new lvl cap and content.
Unfortunately I've noticed that many, heck... MOST of the Nuri games I've been in during the past few days show a HUGE lack of teamwork between players!
I see parties with 2 or 3 mages with no one healing, bears hanging around in back, players wandering off on their own, or ignoring fallen teammates. Above all else, I see a bunch of people rushing rushing RUSHING forward, regardless of safety or teammates, like there is a prize for fastest time thru a lvl. Of course, mostly those ppl die quickly. Sigh.
Am I missing something? Has the style of play just changed, or is it my fault for having taken time off and am no longer competitive?
Insights welcome, and invites to good solid teams as well, LOL!
You're welcome to run with me whenever you want! I'm prone to talking excessively though.
Teamwork? Have you seen the greed in people's eyes for the new sets? As long as that is there, I don't think there will be teamwork for a while. :( Also, these 4x elixirs make people think that they are immortal, on elixir or off. They radically change your play style if you grow dependent on them, unfortunately. :(
Feel free to add me, I'm going to be doing some runs later on tonight in about half an hour!
Gaddy
10-09-2011, 12:11 AM
We're already friends from long ago (unless u deleted me LOL)
I 100% see your point about the new sets causing crazy greed and elixirs causing " false immortality" syndrome. Very insightful points, Apollo!
I guess I'll chill until the new content fever dies down a bit before I get really annoyed hehe!
Peace!
Gimboid
We're already friends from long ago (unless u deleted me LOL)
I 100% see your point about the new sets causing crazy greed and elixirs causing " false immortality" syndrome. Very insightful points, Apollo!
I guess I'll chill until the new content fever dies down a bit before I get really annoyed hehe!
Peace!
Gimboid
Thank you for the compliments! Yeah, that's what I suggest. I have been trying to avoid PUG's right now, because all they are doing is burning my platinum elixirs. Thus, I wait for guildies/friends in order to get top quality runs. :)
NECROREAPER
10-09-2011, 12:27 AM
Same with me Gaddy, if you need a good bear un the party just send me a request. I do runs with Apollo often so you it'd be cool if you jumped in with us ;)
Same with me Gaddy, if you need a good bear un the party just send me a request. I do runs with Apollo often so you it'd be cool if you jumped in with us ;)
Note: When Necro and I get together in a party, we talk a lot.
Ellyidol
10-09-2011, 12:31 AM
Elixirs took majority of it :)
StompArtist
10-09-2011, 12:36 AM
Last time I saw a post like this it was about CtK and folks being power levelled before they implemented the level restrictions. I guess we now have the elixi-gen. lol
pastrychef
10-09-2011, 12:42 AM
Agree with Ellyidol. With the advent of all these elixirs, teamwork and skill have gone the way of the dodo. Sure there are still good teams and good players but they are harder to find nowadays.
Moogerfooger
10-09-2011, 01:40 AM
Just because some people use elixirs (for various reasons such as faster farming runs), does not mean they are not good players without one. I have been lucky to be in some of the most ridiculously team-oriented parties I have ever been in, that coincidentally with all using elixirs for quicker farming. I have also been in some total non-elixir runs where I was shocked by how well people stuck together. All depends on the players in question and the situation. To call it elixir-gen is ignorant, sorry.
pastrychef
10-09-2011, 01:43 AM
Just because some people use elixirs (for various reasons such as faster farming runs), does not mean they are not good players without one.
True, but there are many, many poor players who rely on the elixirs play in Nuri's.
starsavior
10-09-2011, 02:03 AM
There was teamwork before?
cynic
10-09-2011, 02:19 AM
Welcome back to the new pl, this game is now about potions and how fast you can do a run.
But no worries you can buy your recipies.
Suntv
10-09-2011, 04:37 AM
Well it's all about the elixer-infected-players. There have been more post about it, like this one (http://www.spacetimestudios.com/showthread.php?38769-i-dont-get-this). It seems private games are the only solution, unless you want to boot all elixer-infected-players. Be sure to see the difference between a 5 min daily and 30min+. Ever since elixers are payable by gold and not just platinum this has been going on.
But you can use this rule, elixer-infected or not: if a lv 61 player has less then 35.000 kills, they are no good. Certified.
NECROREAPER
10-09-2011, 05:16 AM
I have 18k kills sun :(
pastrychef
10-09-2011, 06:51 AM
I have 18k kills sun :(
All the kills were probably taken by those who were on elixirs.
cynic
10-09-2011, 06:56 AM
Lol bad excuse
WhoIsThis
10-09-2011, 07:03 AM
All the kills were probably taken by those who were on elixirs.
Which fundamentally proves the fatal error in Suntv's statement. Number of kills is a very unreliable metric for determining player skill.
And Necro has been around for long before Nuri's Hallows was ever introduced.
Haowesie
10-09-2011, 08:06 AM
But you can use this rule, elixer-infected or not: if a lv 61 player has less then 35.000 kills, they are no good. Certified.
I know of very good level 61 bears who don't use elixir, takes the heat but doesn't make the kill -- less than 15k kill, but better than the average bear.
Navygreen
10-09-2011, 09:11 AM
Nuri's is just so much different. People who may be used to being able to run through a dungeon may be having a hard time adjusting to the difficulty change. But I agree, I see some lack of teamwork also in some games. Not everyone is like this though. Maybe people just get excited to be in Nuri's and just don't think as clearly as they should. Maybe people are more preoccupied with pink drops than the team. Im not sure... :)
kaanjunior
10-09-2011, 09:27 AM
I see good teams all of the time. I also see random craziness where people just run all over the place. I don't think it's a "sign of the times" thing though. When people are doing xp runs they tend to move quickly and rmk over and over. I can't very well just pop into their game and expect it to be different. I tend to have a set of people that make up a great team, we sort of know how we work together. I've also met some people on accident that i enjoy playing with now.
I'm not down on elixir use. People use it for different reasons at different times. I tend to lvl without elixirs because I don't want to be embarrassed with bad technique when playing with others -- I want the skills. I have used elixirs when I'm on the last few quests of a campaign, by myself and bored with having to collect 4,200,000,000 yeti pelts or totems.
For the record, when I drop back and run a map with some lvl 20s or lower just to kill time, newer players see what running with a team is all about and they tend to want that experience again.
I don't want to fall into being a PL curmudgeon, longing for "the good old days" and lamenting the time when I was a kid.
(Oh and I tend to chat a lot during play as well)
Whirlzap
10-09-2011, 09:31 AM
Hi,
I've been away from the game for a while, and restarted when I heard about the new lvl cap and content.
Unfortunately I've noticed that many, heck... MOST of the Nuri games I've been in during the past few days show a HUGE lack of teamwork between players!
I see parties with 2 or 3 mages with no one healing, bears hanging around in back, players wandering off on their own, or ignoring fallen teammates. Above all else, I see a bunch of people rushing rushing RUSHING forward, regardless of safety or teammates, like there is a prize for fastest time thru a lvl. Of course, mostly those ppl die quickly. Sigh.
Am I missing something? Has the style of play just changed, or is it my fault for having taken time off and am no longer competitive?
Insights welcome, and invites to good solid teams as well, LOL!
Silly birdy.
Nothing happened to teamwork.
4x Combo Elixirs happened.
Moogerfooger
10-09-2011, 09:43 AM
All the kills were probably taken by those who were on elixirs.
He's a bear. Less than 35k is to be expected, even from really good bears like Necro.
Ellyidol
10-09-2011, 09:51 AM
Yup, no such thing as an elixir gen, but it does still affect teamwork even in the most cohesive team.
The biggest elixir enemy for a bear is the speed elixir, IMO. Four players on bolt speed is just forcing the bear to lag behind almost the entire way. Speaking from experience.
Put together elixirs + teamwork and you'll have a host with really strained fingers from remaking all the time :)
pastrychef
10-09-2011, 11:10 AM
He's a bear. Less than 35k is to be expected, even from really good bears like Necro.
Yes, bears get less kills than any other class, but with potted up players, it's entirely possible to run and not get a single kill.
Spekticle
10-09-2011, 12:42 PM
Note: When Necro and I get together in a party, we talk a lot.
Oh yes they do.
StompArtist
10-09-2011, 12:47 PM
Just because some people use elixirs (for various reasons such as faster farming runs), does not mean they are not good players without one. I have been lucky to be in some of the most ridiculously team-oriented parties I have ever been in, that coincidentally with all using elixirs for quicker farming. I have also been in some total non-elixir runs where I was shocked by how well people stuck together. All depends on the players in question and the situation. To call it elixir-gen is ignorant, sorry.
Call me ignorant if you will but would'nt you agree that elixirs allow "poor players" to reach a high level much quicker and that their lack of skills at this higher more difficult level is magnified. Anyways that is what I have observed and I only run PUGS.
StompArtist
10-09-2011, 12:49 PM
Well it's all about the elixer-infected-players. There have been more post about it, like this one (http://www.spacetimestudios.com/showthread.php?38769-i-dont-get-this). It seems private games are the only solution, unless you want to boot all elixer-infected-players. Be sure to see the difference between a 5 min daily and 30min+. Ever since elixers are payable by gold and not just platinum this has been going on.
But you can use this rule, elixer-infected or not: if a lv 61 player has less then 35.000 kills, they are no good. Certified.
Kills have been rendered meaningless when they abolished low level kill frming without resetting the total kills on characters.
Treenire
10-09-2011, 01:29 PM
The only time ive seen a lack in team work was when i was farming in swamps, joined the first level and there were already 3 players there, two birds and a mage, all separated going there own way(there lvl appropriote for game) And as predidcted then all died. (myself a mage) told them to stick together as 'you'll servive that little bit longer' they were great after that (although needed a few rerminders). I think some players just forget that bear, bird and mage all need each other in one way or another =]