PVP Level restriction needs to return

[Caztori]

I think we're having a serious problem right now. Level restrictions in PVP games. Cinco, if you reading this, please have my points in mind because in my opinion this totally ruins the game. I am sure there are more reasons why we need PVP level restrictions, but here are my point on the problem.

I tried this out today by creating a level 13 game. It took about 2 minutes until the game had a level 45 joining followed by a 86. And.... game over.

From a STS perspective, you guys want to earn money on your product. You're running a business and that makes this point valid. To solve this you've created a lot of platinum required content and even raised the cost of platinum items by a lot. But still, people tend to stick to the game they love and pay for it. And now, your plan to make money is to ruin the low level PVP community and force them to level?

First off - to be able to have a twink you'll need a high level character to make money. So even if you see us twinking, we all have our high level mains. When you're capped one of each class - should you continue to cap multiple characters of each cap? Why can't we enjoy some low level PVP from time to time? Talking for myself, I've spent a lot of money on this game during the 7 years I've played it and this has mainly been done due to my level 15 twink. I've been leveling my main since the release of this new content and will continue to do so until I hit the cap. But after that, I want to return to my beloved 15 twink and enjoy the game the way I've always done.

To leave the economic perspective, how will this affect the gameplay?

First off - low level characters are going to be one-hitted all the time. And by low level characters, I am talking about level 1 to 85. No fun in that at all. Second - capped characters will run around and one hit people. Do you guys see the pattern? This also ruins the end-game PVP. Who would like to cap to be able to play PVP when you are superior all of your opponents? That's no challenge in that at all. So once again - not fun.
Let's keep this thread as a serious discussion about this problem we are facing right now. I really hope to see a change really soon.

Cinco - you can ignore low level PVP how much you want (don't change level restrictions from 5 to 2, don't let us participate in holiday events etc.). But please, don't ruin it.

[Cinco]

Here's what I recommend:

Use the Host feature. If you want to run open games be prepared to Kick players who don't suit your desired level-range.

Otherwise, consider creating private games and inviting only those you wish to compete.

[Shinepin]

Here's what I recommend:

Use the Host feature. If you want to run open games be prepared to Kick players who don't suit your desired level-range.

Otherwise, consider creating private games and inviting only those you wish to compete.

Host a game & you can prepare to boot for some hours. Also, who should we invite if all Twinks quitted after this Update.

[typicalnike]

Here's what I recommend:

Use the Host feature. If you want to run open games be prepared to Kick players who don't suit your desired level-range.

Otherwise, consider creating private games and inviting only those you wish to compete.

Really that's all you say? There's a massive community here doing twink who love the game and play the game just as much as anyone at endgame and you will just disregard all these players by doing this and throw them under the bus by getting rid of restrictions. Also you think kicking people will work? Its not like there is just 5-10 endgame pvpers out there is it? Theres a whole bunch of them joining game after game and we spend most our times booting people instead of actually enjoying the game and you think thats fair on us? Ok lets just say we do kick all of them in this imaginary situation. They're just going to bring their other higher lvl toons just to kill us again and that's fun for everyone is it? Well lets just keep this situation going shall we? So we kicked everyone and kicked all their other higher lvl characters what happens? After spending 20+ minutes kicking everyone the game is about to finish...... Then the lobby restarts and everyone who has been kicked can join again and we have to repeat this all over again that sounds real fun for all of us. Secondly Private games. Here at twink we don't just like playing the same people over and over again we actually like to fight all different classes and different people not just our friends every single day how boring would that be. Everyone wants to learn and get better at pvp by fighting different people with different kinds of styles of play not just the same thing over and over again. In conclusion what I am saying is having no level restrictions in PvP is absurd because it just takes both the skill and fun out of pvp and these "solutions" you have given us will never work. I think everyone and twink will agree with this and even some people at endgame will. Please don't disregard the people who love this game at twink and give us back the restrictions.....

[3pc]

Host a game & you can prepare to boot for some hours. Also, who should we invite if all Twinks quitted after this Update.

If all twinks quit why complain?

[Waug]

Complains kept arriving for low lvls, +-2 lvl restriction and for all that sorts. It's not possible balance all levels but balance tryouts are justified for endgame. The hard truth is its better to break low lvl PvP and make em come to endgame.

Some will arguebthen why low lvl was touch as it was perfect.

Nope it was not perfect, players got used to it, used to opness, somewhere bear were op, somewhere mages and somewhere something else. Did anybody complain? No. Funny fact is if those lvls get balanced then those op classes would complain, cause that's how they are used to it.

Bottomline : come to endgame, face the challenges of mastering more skills than just spamming a very few skills and specific builds.

[Usability]

Alot of twinks do play endgame like my self. l enjoyed both endgame and twink. Twinking was always a thing that kept me in the game. After I farmed or merched or what not. Twinking was the thing that kept me in the game the longest. Endgame is cool but it's only one level that I would get bored of pretty quickly.

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[KingCat]

I couldn't agree more with waug. Certain lvls different classes rules. You can't balance all. Most lower lvls where everything is hyped requires 2-3 clicks of a skill. I love the fact there is no pvp restriction to push all players to endgame. More endgame players means more 5v5 games.

[Burningdex]

Complains kept arriving for low lvls, +-2 lvl restriction and for all that sorts. It's not possible balance all levels but balance tryouts are justified for endgame. The hard truth is its better to break low lvl PvP and make em come to endgame.

Some will arguebthen why low lvl was touch as it was perfect.

Nope it was not perfect, players got used to it, used to opness, somewhere bear were op, somewhere mages and somewhere something else. Did anybody complain? No. Funny fact is if those lvls get balanced then those op classes would complain, cause that's how they are used to it.

Bottomline : come to endgame, face the challenges of mastering more skills than just spamming a very few skills and specific builds.

We aren't even talking about balance, or how much skill a level takes to play. We simply want twinking (a major part of this game) to come back again. Because lets face it, every level except 100 just got ruined..

[Mymysticalmage]

Cinco can u atleast fix the lobbies? I have no problem with no lvl restrictions. However, finding games is hard now. Because games merge and you can only find games +/- 5. So if a l100 game merges with a l35 game i will no longer see it. If you could simply open up all the games/ remove the +/- 5 it would enable me to find all games.

[Waug]

Cinco can u atleast fix the lobbies? I have no problem with no lvl restrictions. However, finding games is hard now. Because games merge and you can only find games +/- 5. So if a l100 game merges with a l35 game i will no longer see it. If you could simply open up all the games/ remove the +/- 5 it would enable me to find all games.

This is not true, the bolded line, go play with the options to find a game, jenious, common you will b able to do that at sometime just like how u could get better at mage :)


We aren't even talking about balance, or how much skill a level takes to play. We simply want twinking (a major part of this game) to come back again. Because lets face it, every level except 100 just got ruined..

'We' did, in fact 'we' kept doing it. Just look back a bit ;)

[XghostzX]

Not sure why everyone is so repelled by the idea of endgame PvP. There could be some really fun CTF and FFA games if more people came to 100. I get that dodge is a big factor and that 1v1's seem trivial, but if we shifted to an FFA/CTF-oriented community by having more numbers, the game would be way more enjoyable. I doubt the majority of the community now has tried a 5v5 CTF game. Do you have any idea how fun that is?

[Congeniality]

Not sure why everyone is so repelled by the idea of endgame PvP. There could be some really fun CTF and FFA games if more people came to 100. I get that dodge is a big factor and that 1v1's seem trivial, but if we shifted to an FFA/CTF-oriented community by having more numbers, the game would be way more enjoyable. I doubt the majority of the community now has tried a 5v5 CTF game. Do you have any idea how fun that is?

It's like a super-sonic jet took me to an alternate universe where only fun exists. Rushing would be a thing of the past, all players would be properly fed kills and get their kd stack-t (the -ed ending is too much a part of the system). Break through the boundaries these lameo 1v1 peeps have done to us. Lets do some 5v5 :D

[3pc]

I was in a full 100 game other day was pretty lit just cap and it will be fun.

[typicalnike]

so i guess they have no intentions to bring back restrictions at all? :(

[HotDiggityDog]

If this update wouldn't have happened getting someone to join a level 100 game would take awhile. I'm really liking the no PvP level restriction sometimes I can find a level 100 in one of these games

[Jilsponie]

Yeah... it's getting kinda annoying not being able to get a good l100 game going when so many l100s are so focused on killing the low levels... some people just leave instantly when they see another 100 join

[Unclechin]

I don't like it - bc its retarded

[XghostzX]

I don't like it - but I can't express myself without being crude.

This edited post from Cinco is gold, hahaha.

[FFA]

If you don't like the level cap restriction being removed, You either need to level to 100 or quit playing pvp. It's a pretty simple concept, Cinco did it for a reason. Please stop complaining over it, Thanks.

[Mennddoza]

Make it 1-50 51-100 that sounds nice. This is a blunt idea. Lol wink

[Congeniality]

Make it 1-50 51-100 that sounds nice. This is a blunt idea. Lol wink

Not a bad idea

[mezem]

Make it 1-50 51-100 that sounds nice. This is a blunt idea. Lol wink

+1 to this! its annoying when youre 1v1ing as L37 and L100 accidently one shots you in middle of fight...
(also if youre lvl 35-45 feel free to pm me in game:mezem if youre down for 1v1 fights)

[Romantica]

Here's what I recommend:

Use the Host feature. If you want to run open games be prepared to Kick players who don't suit your desired level-range.

Otherwise, consider creating private games and inviting only those you wish to compete.

It's all about money they dgaf about anything we say. These guys make arbitrary distinctions on what is right and wrong to whatever serves their purpose and interest. What kind of vermin ban players after taking hundreds of dollars from a person. On that note , if I ever visit see Brandon I got something for that ***.

You do realize it's the adults who have money to spend not tweeners.

[Romantica]

so i guess they have no intentions to bring back restrictions at all? :(

They will when they can think of a way to squeeze more money from us at that level... See you in 2018

[plpr]

so basically what your saying is instead of the only level being active is 100 make it 50 and 100. This is a step in the right direction but the simple fix would be make it every ten levels. Its simple and gives a challenge.

[Suentous PO]

It's all about money they dgaf about anything we say. These guys make arbitrary distinctions on what is right and wrong to whatever serves their purpose and interest. What kind of vermin ban players after taking hundreds of dollars from a person. On that note , if I ever visit see Brandon I got something for that ***.

You do realize it's the adults who have money to spend not tweeners.

"what kind of vermin" lmao the black marketers were the vermin who screwed this game leading to those decisions.
More of them should have been banned and still play the game, like a couple of famous gm's.
Why so salty? You didn't get away with something? lel

[Romantica]

I have since created a very stacked account. With the aid of Blitz and MrSmith. They had lent me gold back in 2014 to reestablish myself.

The reason for my banning was because I would buy plat for my indigent friends. So yea, I didn't get away with being nice....

I just want all my old toons back

[humiiii]

I have since created a very stacked account. With the aid of Blitz and MrSmith. They had lent me gold back in 2014 to reestablish myself.

The reason for my banning was because I would buy plat for my indigent friends. So yea, I didn't get away with being nice....

I just want all my old toons back

What you did was against TOS nobody cares that you spent thousands of dollars

[Romantica]

So self righteous Humi - Love and Kisses - Bukweet

[humiiii]

So self righteous Humi - Love and Kisses - Bukweet

what do you mean? I'm also banned and I'm not crying

[FFA]

There's some shady being thrown around here and it's not the shade from the banned toons.

[Congeniality]

There's some shady being thrown around here and it's not the shade from the banned toons.

Will the real Slim Shady please stand up?

[MageFFA]

Only endgame wants this. For starters not everyone wants to play endgame. What makes one zone better than the next eh? More skills eh? L100 is now better than 76 and 35 because of a new set eh? No. PvP in PL was never limited to endgame. It was what ever zone suited your interest the most. You think i played 35 because of "skill spam"? I played 35 because i enjoyed what it had to offer. I played 23 30 and 40 because i enjoyed what it had to offer. It suited my interest. Now i can't play these zones that i love. These L.100s do more of a job to boost off of the twink players then fight their own levels. At least with the 5 level restrict you'd have more 5v5s in endgame. More of your own levels fighting against each other. Instead it only takes less than 30 seconds before a L.100 will join your game and start boosting even though their are L.100 games already up. Now on to you Cinco. How can you tell us. "Use the Host button" as if I know everyone who does 23-40. I mean all of a sudden i have omniscience and know EEEEVERY SINGLE 23-40. What Good will that do if we keep hosting games. We'll be fighting the same people each time and that'll be boring. But a public game we can meet more people thats if the L.100s some how took a break from boosting.Twink as a whole has a bigger community than endgame if you wanted money so bad why didn't you just put out more content for twink in general. Why ruin twink to force us to come to a zone that does not suit our interest. I have a endgame. Goaheadandtry. And i can easily tell you this zone does not give the same enjoyment that 30 did for me. So what now? Quit PvP then? Nah more people is quiting the game instead. I wonder why? You ruined a aspect that makes PL......PL.

[plpr]

Only endgame wants this. For starters not everyone wants to play endgame. What makes one zone better than the next eh? More skills eh? L100 is now better than 76 and 35 because of a new set eh? No. PvP in PL was never limited to endgame. It was what ever zone suited your interest the most. You think i played 35 because of "skill spam"? I played 35 because i enjoyed what it had to offer. I played 23 30 and 40 because i enjoyed what it had to offer. It suited my interest. Now i can't play these zones that i love. These L.100s do more of a job to boost off of the twink players then fight their own levels. At least with the 5 level restrict you'd have more 5v5s in endgame. More of your own levels fighting against each other. Instead it only takes less than 30 seconds before a L.100 will join your game and start boosting even though their are L.100 games already up. Now on to you Cinco. How can you tell us. "Use the Host button" as if I know everyone who does 23-40. I mean all of a sudden i have omniscience and know EEEEVERY SINGLE 23-40. What Good will that do if we keep hosting games. We'll be fighting the same people each time and that'll be boring. But a public game we can meet more people thats if the L.100s some how took a break from boosting.Twink as a whole has a bigger community than endgame if you wanted money so bad why didn't you just put out more content for twink in general. Why ruin twink to force us to come to a zone that does not suit our interest. I have a endgame. Goaheadandtry. And i can easily tell you this zone does not give the same enjoyment that 30 did for me. So what now? Quit PvP then? Nah more people is quiting the game instead. I wonder why? You ruined a aspect that makes PL......PL.

All i hav to say is yes, true, and correct. Im not even sure if PL forums are even checked in depth by mods anymore. Clearly everybody hates it and nobody that we need to listen is even present. Sad

[humiiii]

Plz bring level restriction back to 5 levels :p

[Waug]

"For starters"
That sounds appealing on pen and paper. Starters do start on lower level AND WHAT DO THEY GET - the SAME THING THAT current twinkers getting from high levels at current situation, bully.

Without getting into much indeapth. These kinda games don't get much popularity on competitive gaming aspect. You need much more fairer environment to become a popular competitive game. If it's exploitable, people gonna exploit.

[Burningdex]

"For starters"
That sounds appealing on pen and paper. Starters do start on lower level AND WHAT DO THEY GET - the SAME THING THAT current twinkers getting from high levels at current situation, bully.

Without getting into much indeapth. These kinda games don't get much popularity on competitive gaming aspect. You need much more fairer environment to become a popular competitive game. If it's exploitable, people gonna exploit.

wait, so what you're saying, is that levels under 100 are unbalanced?

[Waug]

wait, so what you're saying, is that levels under 100 are unbalanced?

In one sentence, I'm saying - it was never fair, a competitive game thrives on much more fair environment than pl ever had.

[plpr]

No matter if one class was unbalanced one level or one was op another. It didn't matter. Players always had fun and made it work.

[Waug]

Ppl really don't read carefully it's not about dis-balance or something like that at all, it's a different aspect that gone *wuuuhhuuash* above head, nvm if I need to explain, ima make a long thread instead.

[Rab]

Space Time Studios Did This All For Reason To Make Money And How The Gonna MAke Money DING DING DING .......Taking Away The PvP Restrictions= Chances That People Will Spend Money On Plat Elixrs Or Xp Packs To Cap Quicker Because A Very Long Grind Without 3x combo .......
BUT.....I TOTALLY AGREE WITH CINCO Even Though I loved Back When Twink Pvp And 35 Wasnt So Hectic And More Active And Although This Update Did Ruin Low Level Pvping You Do Always Have The Choice To Host A Game Hence Why Cinco Also Added The Host Stays Host Addon Or Even Better Yet If You Gonna Cry About It So Much You Can Always Make Locked Games Lol Not Trying To Diss The Twinks But Waug IS Right All You Do In Twink Is Spam Very Little Skills :3

[Congeniality]

Space Time Studios Did This All For Reason To Make Money And How The Gonna MAke Money DING DING DING .......Taking Away The PvP Restrictions= Chances That People Will Spend Money On Plat Elixrs Or Xp Packs To Cap Quicker Because A Very Long Grind Without 3x combo .......
BUT.....I TOTALLY AGREE WITH CINCO Even Though I loved Back When Twink Pvp And 35 Wasnt So Hectic And More Active And Although This Update Did Ruin Low Level Pvping You Do Always Have The Choice To Host A Game Hence Why Cinco Also Added The Host Stays Host Addon Or Even Better Yet If You Gonna Cry About It So Much You Can Always Make Locked Games Lol Not Trying To Diss The Twinks But Waug IS Right All You Do In Twink Is Spam Very Little Skills :3

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chuckles
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Whoever knows which movie this is from is amazing

[Vapourised]

The worst thing is that all sets below lvl 100 are basically devalued which makes it harder to afford the endgame sets and thus go endgame.

[MageFFA]

On top of that with everyone in zones higher than 80 with their pets, how are new players supposed to level up? Or get rich. Nobody buys items anymore because they are useless since PvP restriction are gone so while these newer players grind and grind how will they manage? Hands For Help are busy capping and PvP is in 100. They need to return PvP restrictions because it's not just PvP that's getting hurt, it's the entirety of the game in general.

[Boiled_35]

lmfao


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[3pc]

lmfao


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Lel tim is alive

[Suentous PO]

Voilà!
in View, a humble Vaudevillian Veteran, cast Vicariously as both Victim and Villain by the Vicissitudes of Fate. This Visage, no mere Veneer of Vanity, is a Vestige of the Vox populi, now Vacant, Vanished. However, this Valorous Visitation of a bygone Vexation stands Vivified, and has Vowed to Vanquish these Venal and Virulent Vermin Vanguarding Vice and Vouchsafing the Violently Vicious and Voracious Violation of Volition!
The only Verdict is Vengeance-- a Vendetta, held as a Votive-- not in Vain, for the Value and Veracity of such shall one day Vindicate the Vigilant and the Virtuous.
chuckles
Verily, this Vichyssoise of Verbiage Veers most Verbose, so let me simply add that it's my Very good honor to meet you, and you may call me V.

Whoever knows which movie this is from is amazing


Don't ever call a graphic novel from the great Allan more a mere "movie"

[Congeniality]

Don't ever call a graphic novel from the great Allan more a mere "movie"

Thank you @11

[Jilsponie]

"For starters"
That sounds appealing on pen and paper. Starters do start on lower level AND WHAT DO THEY GET - the SAME THING THAT current twinkers getting from high levels at current situation, bully.

Without getting into much indeapth. These kinda games don't get much popularity on competitive gaming aspect. You need much more fairer environment to become a popular competitive game. If it's exploitable, people gonna exploit.

Wow waug said something i agree with...
Alot of these "twinks" use friends and founders helms to bully people. Now that the people they bullied in the past leveled up like normal players and the tables have turned in their favor the "twinks" wanna cry about it.

That being said i think level restrictions do need put back in place. Many people are using low levels as spot holders on a separate device so they can boost anyone that joins with a 3v2 or 2v1 advantage. Then when you wise up and or get help theu boot... pretty much just 1 guild doing it. Waug don't you help with this? I could have sworn i had to 2v3 you amd your buddies yesterday while you had a 87 hold a spot my team? Is this why you don't want the returning of the level restrictions? You might lose yo5ir spot holders?

[Vapourised]

Idk why the restrictions aren't back yet. It's just hitting the undo button or something. Not like they're losing anything or even money for that matter since most ppl(potential buyers) quitted.

[Waug]

..... pretty much just 1 guild doing it. Waug don't you help with this? I could have sworn i had to 2v3 you amd your buddies yesterday while you had a 87 hold a spot my team? Is this why you don't want the returning of the level restrictions? You might lose yo5ir spot holders?

To understand that what I want, needs a pretty much broad and open mind than this, which I don't expect mostly here.

But to know what I expect, I'm going to tell a little story of a common pvp-er who said 'wow teamers' in a 2-2 fight who got cornered by 2 opponents while his mate couldn't reach to him but just before few seconds of all of this he was teaming one of his opponent since last half an hour in a 2-1 for the first time.

Well this is what I expect and this is what the community is, the people who blame 'rush', 'team' are the biggest hypocrites. "Pretty much just one guild doing it" sounds nothing more than a adorable child. Peoples are opportunitist, they forget it when they 'rush', 'team' others /low levels/ weak/ new, because it was 'enjoyable' but they remember when they get so, because it was hard time 'raging', the memory part of the brain get activated hard also because they have to take revenge for it, gonna make stories about it and share it to frmds guilds etc to get help.

IM NOT BLAMING SOMEONE, mark it, because IF IT'S EXPLOTAIBLE, people gonna exploit it and to stop that the game system have to have much more fair environment than pl ever had. Newgen competitive games have a lot more to offer, you have to play if u join, there are panelties, much more which I'm not in a mood to talk in detail here.

Other than the one hit kills by higher lvls, it was kinda same more or less ALWAYS, bullying by a team /higher levels etc, people got used to it and using that experience to tackle the situation rush weak/ new comers and be frnd with existing 'pro' player base and some time riveling with other 'pro' enemies.

I'm not supporting anything, rather just showing a mirror neither I suggest to change all these to much more fair environment BECAUSE that not gonna happen here in old pl but I'd expect that in new 'competetive' game from sts.

[MageFFA]

People fail to realize so much stuff. Like how did StS think no restrictions was compatible with PvP? This isn't a shooting game where everyone has an equal footing to kill each other. We have levels in this and each level gives better gear and higher stats than the next. By removing PvP restrictions everything under 99 is irrelevant because they don't mean anything anymore. Might as well delete all the work you've done since this game came out because they are no longer relevant in anyway. New players can't level up by themselves and that's what guilds like hands for help and epic impact was for. Yet they are mostly doing their thing in L.100. Prices are extremely low so what ever newer players farm won't get them any gold. PvP wise is even worse. As i stated before I'll state again. Boot doesn't work. By the time you done booting the match will be either over or everyone left out of boredom. Hosting doesn't work because humans are not Gods with omniscience to know everyone who still PvPs in those zones. Inviting friends will get boring so GG. "Go to L.100" as i stated again these L.100s do a better job at killing lower zones to boost their irrelevant KD(as if KD means anything when you still get 10-1ed on a daily basis) then they do at fighting their own level. Now I'm not gonna call this noob out over forum but boy let me tell you something about this dude. I was enjoying PvP in 56 and watching one of my guildmates fight. This dude kills me. I let that slide (Big mistake) he kills me again i gave him a warning with my catchphrase of Godhood "Do you mind?" He said no then killed me again. I grab my 100 he drops. Found him again then complained about me being L.100 and left. So what was the point of making a L.100 if the people you are supposed to be fighting just leaves the minute they see you? You can kill someone that's 44 levels under you but do not have the common courtesy to fight their L.100 who is the same level? It's like from my perspective nigh everyone boosts in L.100 and only a few would stay to fight that players L.100. When we are in our zones PvPing these level 100s like to remove some of their armor and say go. Just ignore the L.10 buffs. Ignore the L.10 100 rage buff. You should win right? WRONG. We die each time. Now i know some people might reply raging at this but honestly i really don't care I'm just stating the facts. The excuse people was complaining about the 5 level restrictions this and that, it's a lie because half the time people also had the same levels. People complain about rushing is irrelevant and should've always been ignored. Same with teaming. Until PvP restrictions go back to 5 this game damaged.

[Blyzzor]

I already knew +-2 level restr was gonna cause people to be unhappy so I opposed the idea of touching the pvp level restrictions. Removing all restrictions is a different thing though, removing them is not necessarily that bad of an idea - the problem lies in the state of the game where devs left it. Having the game be focused on endgame isn't a bad idea, it's actually quite good, but the problem is that the game is a mess and people can't reach endgame. Again, I have to bring it up once more, lvling, You NEED a pet to level up, and as a poor player there's no way to buy a pet, mind you, you can't even buy a pet with platinum either if you don't havea lvl 80 character already to access oktal. Honestly, there's no realistic way to make money either if the player has like 300k unless he/she is super determined to level up and grind 5-10 hours a day (and the process is really depressing with empty pve dungeons). Even after the player reaches endgame its a pain without a pet. While it's possible to merch your way up for a latko,it is extremely hard and requires a great deal of knowledge about the market and even then if you manage to buy a latko you will still have to level up to 73 if you don't buy platinum for an all access elixir

>it's ok to focus on endgame and remove pvp restrictions, but in order for it to work and not have ppl unsatisfied like they clearly are, new/weaker player must be helped. If this was the case I believe endgame would be very active and newer players would be motivated to level up and they wouldn't dwell on old times and I don't think they would even have the need to low lvl pvp. Right now there are a lot of players that would have enough gold to low lvl pvp, but don't have enough gold for pets and time/will to lvl up to endgame leaving them nothing to do in this game..


Still waiting for this update.

[Waug]

People fail to realize so much stuff. Like how did StS think no restrictions was compatible with PvP? This isn't a shooting game where everyone has an equal footing to kill each other. We have levels in this and each level gives better gear and higher stats than the next. By removing PvP restrictions everything under 99 is irrelevant because they don't mean anything anymore. Might as well delete all the work you've done since this game came out because they are no longer relevant in anyway. New players can't level up by themselves and that's what guilds like hands for help and epic impact was for. Yet they are mostly doing their thing in L.100. Prices are extremely low so what ever newer players farm won't get them any gold. PvP wise is even worse. As i stated before I'll state again. Boot doesn't work. By the time you done booting the match will be either over or everyone left out of boredom. Hosting doesn't work because humans are not Gods with omniscience to know everyone who still PvPs in those zones. Inviting friends will get boring so GG. "Go to L.100" as i stated again these L.100s do a better job at killing lower zones to boost their irrelevant KD(as if KD means anything when you still get 10-1ed on a daily basis) then they do at fighting their own level. Now I'm not gonna call this noob out over forum but boy let me tell you something about this dude. I was enjoying PvP in 56 and watching one of my guildmates fight. This dude kills me. I let that slide (Big mistake) he kills me again i gave him a warning with my catchphrase of Godhood "Do you mind?" He said no then killed me again. I grab my 100 he drops. Found him again then complained about me being L.100 and left. So what was the point of making a L.100 if the people you are supposed to be fighting just leaves the minute they see you? You can kill someone that's 44 levels under you but do not have the common courtesy to fight their L.100 who is the same level? It's like from my perspective nigh everyone boosts in L.100 and only a few would stay to fight that players L.100. When we are in our zones PvPing these level 100s like to remove some of their armor and say go. Just ignore the L.10 buffs. Ignore the L.10 100 rage buff. You should win right? WRONG. We die each time. Now i know some people might reply raging at this but honestly i really don't care I'm just stating the facts. The excuse people was complaining about the 5 level restrictions this and that, it's a lie because half the time people also had the same levels. People complain about rushing is irrelevant and should've always been ignored. Same with teaming. Until PvP restrictions go back to 5 this game damaged.

"People fail to realize so much stuff" - and then put together everything limited to PL PvP environment, that's kinda funny.

5 level high and 3vs 1/2 is a lie for sure because, as I already said that how people used to it cause that's how they started and played for long. They don't care that each time a newcomer come to arena is teamed by 3 and bullied by 2 more from his own team mate via text with the excuse rusher or noob. Do you expect that those players to come forums and complain that the pvp is not 'fair' or either stick to pve or simply just UNISTALL PL and find a 'better' game on the stores, even if a very few come to forum and complain about this, he would get humiliated by the 'pro' forum community.

You're actually talking about a stable existing player base, who are more or less happy saying 'go' to each other 'pro' pvers and farm 'newgens', but that actually not EVERYTHING, it's hard truth and undeniable fact that the new comers that they made and making 'rage quit' everyday from pvp and likely from the game is pretty much huge and higher in number. So may I ask you a question? was this a 'fair' twinking, majority wins and to a majority it WAS NEVER 'FAIR' you people were happy with it, who were the exploiters MOSTLY, not to blame each and every person here. Also it's a fact that the density of newcomers to pvp is way much more higher in low levels because people try to do pvp pretty soon after they started playing PL.

Don't compare such competitive game with a shooting game cause that's far away, if you need to compare with then do it with MOBA because that's pretty much close and that's the popular zoner of competitive game, for a competitive game to thrive there should be much more fair environment than that PL ever had, that's also maybe a reason that PL PVP was never reached to it's fullest potential, nothing to blame on players, system have to be much more fair for all. You've to play a match if you entered, if afk there's penalty, if left even got dc there's penalty, if you loose, your kdr shows loosing a match unlike PL, where you don't carry the match win/loose number only kill/death so people exploited accordingly. Joined a match and staying afk while it's 3-2/1 because they don't need to care and so on.

But all that doesn't means that removing pvp join level restriction is the solution neither it's fair, if you're trying to justify how that's NOT fair, then I didn't say it's 'fair' in the first place EVER. There's a whole different aspect of doing this change unlike most of the people that thinks that it's to generate more money bringing twinkers to come endgame, it's complex than that.

The second aspect and the real reason - PvP had to go through changes, pretty glad that it happened, but it was not possible to do that to all levels. Don't take that as 'possible or not' take that like gain/work ratio is extremely low. But it's way much better to work on a particular level which is most popular of all, also where atleast there can be some gain through level cap raise/new items etc. Also there was lack of factual feedbacks and proper suggestions rather than threads like this 'wow sts ruined twink by manipulating dodge' etc. THAT'S THE MAIN REASONS that cinco decided to bring all the juice into one place. The real solution is NOT to kick / private games etc, the real solution is to come endgame and take part in that, as stated by cinco himself before 100 CAP update that there can be more pvp tweaks after cap 100.

[MageFFA]

Only gonna reply to second reasoning since everything i'd reply to for the first would be meaningless to the second. But isn't that his JOB to do that? Is that not what he's supposed to do? Balance PvP in general. ALL ZONES. But instead try to force us(who already have mains) into a zone we don't even like. So Cinco couldn't just drop the dodge statistic on armors? Why ruin PvP in general. There is nothing and i mean NOTHING that makes L.100 a better zone than 61. Why? It's my opinion. It's a zone i like compared a zone I'm starting to hate already. "Wow sts ruined twink by manipulating dodge." That's his job to read this and correct the zone whether it was a forum complaint or a feedback on what to do. If the entire zone agreed that dodge was op in 40 then thats what needs to be changed, not completely decimate the game by giving us something to complain about even harder. I disagree with this update because it ruined the foundation of PvP. For the last what 4 years? Everything has been about endgame. Now they are forcing us into it. You can say they are not forcing us into endgame because the solutions given to us boot, host, and private match, doesn't work. We host a game and not 3 seconds later a L.100 will show up and after that a full team. We boot them then 2 things gonna happen. Either they show up with their other toons to boost or a new wave of L.100s will show up. Now what? By the time you finished booting the game will be either over or you have to go. Once the game restarts then GG good luck booting the next 5 waves of 100s again. Private matches is obviously out of the question because we will be fighting the same people every day and nobody wants that. But you know what solutions does work? Leveling to 100. Then what? PvP? We don't want to PvP here. I know i don't. So what now? PvE? That gets boring. Soo what other options left? Quit the game. That is what we are seeing in PL right.

[Cinco]

I recommend the end game.

*(Yes) This is all I have to say on the matter.