Mage PvP Spell Combo

[Waverox]

Hey Just wondering what would be the best Pvp Spell Combo to use?I usually pop on my Blessing of Might and then hit them with Ice Storm+Firestorm to hit the Dam Bonus the Lightning and Drain Life but it does'nt seem to be working.I usually die by the time I hit Lightning.Would appreciate if you could help me out with some different combo ideas as to kill them faster :)

[Zapoke]

There's no "best combo." Different combos work on different people. But the problem you're having is because you're using drain to late. It needs to (usually) be the 2nd or 1st thing you use. But if they shield first, drain won't heal you, so you need to shield aswell. So anyway. You should use something like ice-drain-fire-light. (after you buff, of course.)

[Imsebastiaanl]

Hey Just wondering what would be the best Pvp Spell Combo to use?I usually pop on my Blessing of Might and then hit them with Ice Storm+Firestorm to hit the Dam Bonus the Lightning and Drain Life but it does'nt seem to be working.I usually die by the time I hit Lightning.Would appreciate if you could help me out with some different combo ideas as to kill them faster :)
Mine would be against mages/bears: ice, lighting, firestorm, drain life. For lvl 60 full dex/int staff against full dex/int staff: ice, drain, fire. Against birds: drain, firestorm, ice.

[Mageprodigy]

Ice light fire drain is good combo!

[Cytokinesis]

most ppl arent willing to give away there pvp combos...

[Kaarataka]

pvp combos change depending upon your opponent

[crestmage]

Ok so ill share a lil secret with u :distant:
U must NEVER EVER include ice in ur combo. especially for those that like to "hot flash" a lot in pve, DoNT. Cuz its simply not worth it. ICE and FROST should only be used as a backup in case ur main combo fails. Many ppl dont know bout this and they think that sacrificing 1 sec for that lil bit of "hot flash" action is good, well, its not. And also another case is that lightning MUST be the opening for a battle. For nuke mages, especially, cuz it has a slight armor debuff. So the skills spammed after lightning should have more dam, making up for the lost of "hot flash" . And alos, Be quick with ur fingers :apathy:

Good Luck PVPing! :tickled_pink:

[ThePvpTwink]

I use the frostbite to freeze opponents while i heal. :)

[plmafiaboss]

Crest is wrong. Lol. Do drain ice fire and if they survive past that heal urself and use lightning and shield up.

[Kaarataka]

Ok so ill share a lil secret with u :distant:
U must NEVER EVER include ice in ur combo. especially for those that like to "hot flash" a lot in pve, DoNT. Cuz its simply not worth it. ICE and FROST should only be used as a backup in case ur main combo fails. Many ppl dont know bout this and they think that sacrificing 1 sec for that lil bit of "hot flash" action is good, well, its not. And also another case is that lightning MUST be the opening for a battle. For nuke mages, especially, cuz it has a slight armor debuff. So the skills spammed after lightning should have more dam, making up for the lost of "hot flash" . And alos, Be quick with ur fingers :apathy:

Good Luck PVPing! :tickled_pink:

Possibly the worst advice I've seen in pvp forum. Combo damage is massive. plus you can light or drain between, so no waste of 1 sec

[crestmage]

Possibly the worst advice I've seen in pvp forum. Combo damage is massive. plus you can light or drain between, so no waste of 1 sec

Lol Idk anyways. Just my personal opinion. If u have a better combo than share it, then. :welcoming:

Btw just for the record Kaara, Weapon dps makes up for that "massive" combo dam easily.

[crestmage]

I use the frostbite to freeze opponents while i heal. :)

Dont do it. bears and mages can easily get out of it, and birds counter with thorn.

[Parasyte2]

Ice light fire drain is good combo!

Normally vs a decent twink, before you use Drain Life to regen your life back your dead : /.

I use vs birds and mages, light drain ice fire
vs bears: ice light drain fire
Heal after fire and then because light will be first to CD, use light ice heal fire. works alot of the time!

[ghito]

At the bottom of what u said what is a merchant?

[XghostzX]

Possibly the worst advice I've seen in pvp forum. Combo damage is massive. plus you can light or drain between, so no waste of 1 sec haha yes of course your going to use ice/freeze in your combo

[Whirlzap]

Rofl, what is this crestmage talkig about?
Of course you need ice.
It's one substantial skill, mostly against birds and bears.
I always use it last against birds, so I can freeze and back off to heal and then attack again.
With bears, firestorm is ESSENTIAL to avoid Beckon at its full power.
One beckon+stomp against a fully geared bear pretty much kills your mana if you shielded, or your HP if you don't shield.


I can say that Mages have very slow skills compared to other classes.
Last of all, don't use two single target skills in a row. It's a bad idea.

[Parasyte2]

Rofl, what is this crestmage talkig about?
Of course you need ice.
It's one substantial skill, mostly against birds and bears.
I always use it last against birds, so I can freeze and back off to heal and then attack again.
With bears, firestorm is ESSENTIAL to avoid Beckon at its full power.
One beckon+stomp against a fully geared bear pretty much kills your mana if you shielded, or your HP if you don't shield.


I can say that Mages have very slow skills compared to other classes.
Last of all, don't use two single target skills in a row. It's a bad idea.

TBH, idk what you mean by saying "slow skills" if your saying "slow kills", and its just a mistype, i dont really agree with that.
Explain "slow skills"

Idea: Slow Skills meaning like the delay of lightning, drain, and the time for ice to hit the target?

sorry for the confusion :D

[Parasyte2]

Rofl, what is this crestmage talkig about?
Of course you need ice.
It's one substantial skill, mostly against birds and bears.
I always use it last against birds, so I can freeze and back off to heal and then attack again.
With bears, firestorm is ESSENTIAL to avoid Beckon at its full power.
One beckon+stomp against a fully geared bear pretty much kills your mana if you shielded, or your HP if you don't shield.


I can say that Mages have very slow skills compared to other classes.
Last of all, don't use two single target skills in a row. It's a bad idea.

TBH, idk what you mean by saying "slow skills" if your saying "slow kills", and its just a mistype, i dont really agree with that.
Explain "slow skills"

Idea: Slow Skills meaning like the delay of lightning, drain, and the time for ice to hit the target?

sorry for the confusion :D

[Ayc2000]

Use frostbite instead of ice storm and do ice, drain, fire, heal, lightning

[Whirlzap]

Yes, no other classes have such delays in some of their most vital attacks:
-Mana Shield
-Heart Drain
-Lightning
-Frostbite

[Parasyte2]

Mana Shield Is a pain in the Rump. The delay and such. kills me so many times i always use it when i happen to be nearly dead when heal doesnt heal me enough. and i die :(

[Ayc2000]

Especially frost and mana shield...split second delay causes death sometimes :eek:

[Parasyte2]

Yea gets me so many deaths...

Mage is still my favorite class for pvp :O

[Kaarataka]

Lol Idk anyways. Just my personal opinion. If u have a better combo than share it, then. :welcoming:

Btw just for the record Kaara, Weapon dps makes up for that "massive" combo dam easily.

This thread is about combos not DPS. As for DPS, it's highly overrated. Why you ask? well lets look at how DPS is measured vs how actual damage to your hp bar occurs. First DPS is calculated by adding the max and min damage and dividing by two. Then it is multiplied by the attack rate. So basically if you have a weapon that has 90-100 dmg and has an attack rate of 1.0 you have 95 DPS.

(90+100)/2 = 95
95*1.0 = 95

Now lets look at the same numbers but we will look at actual damage done to your opponents hp bar. Lets say you hit for max dmg at 100, you would expect to take off 100 hp right? Wrong, you haven't considered your opponents armor. Lets say your opponent has 65 armor. Your 100 dmg only does 35 dmg to your opponent because his armor deflected the rest.

100-65 = 35

Lot's of people think DPS is the thing that needs to be maxed. I see this allllll the time at lvl 50 with bliz stick. It has the highest DPS of any wand at that level only because its attack rate is 0.5(or something like that I don't have PL open atm). The problem is the max dmg is so low that you barely scratch boss' or opponents with high armor in pvp. In closing, DPS is a useless stat IMHO. It has little to do with actual damage to the opponents you really want to kill(bosses and pvpers).

Good luck

P.S. my combos change depending on the opponent and what gear I'm wearing. If you want to learn more about combos you should make a locked game with a good friend and practice one vs one. This is the way to really test combos and refine your pvping

[crestmage]

This thread is about combos not DPS. As for DPS, it's highly overrated. Why you ask? well lets look at how DPS is measured vs how actual damage to your hp bar occurs. First DPS is calculated by adding the max and min damage and dividing by two. Then it is multiplied by the attack rate. So basically if you have a weapon that has 90-100 dmg and has an attack rate of 1.0 you have 95 DPS.

(90+100)/2 = 95
95*1.0 = 95

Now lets look at the same numbers but we will look at actual damage done to your opponents hp bar. Lets say you hit for max dmg at 100, you would expect to take off 100 hp right? Wrong, you haven't considered your opponents armor. Lets say your opponent has 65 armor. Your 100 dmg only does 35 dmg to your opponent because his armor deflected the rest.

100-65 = 35

Lot's of people think DPS is the thing that needs to be maxed. I see this allllll the time at lvl 50 with bliz stick. It has the highest DPS of any wand at that level only because its attack rate is 0.5(or something like that I don't have PL open atm). The problem is the max dmg is so low that you barely scratch boss' or opponents with high armor in pvp. In closing, DPS is a useless stat IMHO. It has little to do with actual damage to the opponents you really want to kill(bosses and pvpers).

Good luck

P.S. my combos change depending on the opponent and what gear I'm wearing. If you want to learn more about combos you should make a locked game with a good friend and practice one vs one. This is the way to really test combos and refine your pvping

Wow first time hearing someone say that dps is useless. (And btw, Blizzard stick has decreased to 1.0 speed, dont confuse yourself with bows and talons.) And if ur a lvl 50 still using blizzard, then i can imagine why you refer dps as "useless". And you dont calculate dps hits like that. You forgot about the other stats like hit, crit, dodge etc.
So now lets compare, if the combo gives extra 10-30% of overall dam, that would make(for a dex mage) for around 50 dam extra. Whereas the dps hits at a rate of 280 per sec. And not to mention if u reserve ice as a last option or backup safe, you'll have an extra additional few hundred dam. Example: Frostbite shoots and hits with 300 dam. <better than the 'pathetic' 40 dam of hot flash> And frost is also useful for dex mages to kite while spamming heal after both sides have spammed their combos. Thats when the dps comes in handy. And 65 armor?? C'mon thats hilarious.

[Kaarataka]

Wow first time hearing someone say that dps is useless. (And btw, Blizzard stick has decreased to 1.0 speed, dont confuse yourself with bows and talons.) And if ur a lvl 50 still using blizzard, then i can imagine why you refer dps as "useless". And you dont calculate dps hits like that. You forgot about the other stats like hit, crit, dodge etc.
So now lets compare, if the combo gives extra 10-30% of overall dam, that would make(for a dex mage) for around 50 dam extra. Whereas the dps hits at a rate of 280 per sec. And not to mention if u reserve ice as a last option or backup safe, you'll have an extra additional few hundred dam. Example: Frostbite shoots and hits with 300 dam. <better than the 'pathetic' 40 dam of hot flash> And frost is also useful for dex mages to kite while spamming heal after both sides have spammed their combos. Thats when the dps comes in handy. And 65 armor?? C'mon thats hilarious.

Get to lvl 60 and you can put your skills to the test. I have nothing to prove here. As for your comments, I don't see any congruent thought process so I'm just going to mark your post up as babbling. How does hit, crit, and dodge have anything to do with DPS? I would love to hear a well thought out, constructive rebuttal to my previous post. If you can't come up with one, please refrain from posting.

http://www.spacetimestudios.com/showthread.php?35649-Correcting-Change-to-Blizzard-Stick-Wand&highlight=blizz+stick

Please pay close attention to posts 1, 16 and 18. And since I haven't been lvl 50 for a long time I guess some things change. You see I'm lvl 61 and pvp with the top ctfers.

[Buffedbear Pl]

Ok so ill share a lil secret with u :distant:
U must NEVER EVER include ice in ur combo. especially for those that like to "hot flash" a lot in pve, DoNT. Cuz its simply not worth it. ICE and FROST should only be used as a backup in case ur main combo fails. Many ppl dont know bout this and they think that sacrificing 1 sec for that lil bit of "hot flash" action is good, well, its not. And also another case is that lightning MUST be the opening for a battle. For nuke mages, especially, cuz it has a slight armor debuff. So the skills spammed after lightning should have more dam, making up for the lost of "hot flash" . And alos, Be quick with ur fingers :apathy:

Good Luck PVPing! :tickled_pink:

I must disagree with this. Frostbite has served me well throughout my entire PvP journey. Frost Storm is not needed, but frostbite is crucial in PvP. Against bears especially, to kite/heal.

Waverox, what level are you PvPing at? I could help if you were around the 25-35 area. I recommend drain, ice, lightning, fire, then heal. Remember to keep 1 point into Mana Shield, too. :welcoming:

[WhoIsThis]

DPS is worthless in level cap PvP; heck it's worthless in end game PvE as well. Skill damage is what matters for an int mage.

Frost and ice should definitely have points in them.

[crestmage]

idk whatever, my opinions have been voiced. if u deem urs as the 'best than so be it. I have nothing to prove here. just go on with ur personal preferred build.

[crestmage]

DPS is worthless in level cap PvP; heck it's worthless in end game PvE as well. Skill damage is what matters for an int mage.

Frost and ice should definitely have points in them.

and yea i agree. i nvr. said that ice shouldn't have any points. i just said that it shouldn't be included in combo. i Bagdad use as backup

[Waverox]

Wow really good insights thanks guys xD I usually pvp alittle every couple lvls havent really twinked out yet waiting till i hit 60 :)

[Waverox]

But any ideas u can help.me with on pvp ing with a mage would be awesome xD

[AbsolutePally]

idk whatever, my opinions have been voiced. if u deem urs as the 'best than so be it. I have nothing to prove here. just go on with ur personal preferred build.

Kaarataka is 100% correct. And the advice you gave was prolly the worst I have ever heard as well. Never seen any top pvper use this stuff. However combos do change according to your opponents : play style, class, build and their own combo. Being top in pvp is all about rts aka real time strategy. Not trying to flame you or anything just saying so newer ppl dont start bad habits in pvp. Bad habits can be difficult to break since using combos becomes muscle memory over time. You wouldnt believe the horrible stuff ive heard ppl think was the right way just bc someone else told them it was. Like "you are kiting as a dex bear youre a noob, dex bears shouldnt kite" heard this from an eh/avg player I was beating pretty bad.

[Elitephonix]

My old mage comebo was
1)Frost
2)drain
3)lighting(for debuff)
4)firestorm

[GELLIO77]

imo from lvl 35 and up agaisnt mages, drain must be your first move, quicker u get it in the better. and ye against other combos differ, bears... *sigh* i hate them lol if you get to close your done for, and birds arent the easiest but can be killed, at lvl 30-35 they arent so hard, but at 45+ i think they dominate in pvp tbh :/

[Zeubermensch]

I've seen in lvl26 pvp this combo shuts down mages, before they pop their shields.. Drain, light, ice, heal/ or shield, fire, light, repeat..
But ultimately, it depends on your skills and which skills of yours does the most damage.

[Hadesofshadow]

Use the magical combo:ice ice nightmare heal works everytime.

If want a combo pm me in game but if u share it i will hunt you down (IGN Shadowwars)

[Kaarataka]

Use the magical combo:ice ice nightmare heal works everytime.

If want a combo pm me in game but if u share it i will hunt you down (IGN Shadowwars)

Master please give me your secrets!

[mejslll]

Lol Idk anyways. Just my personal opinion. If u have a better combo than share it, then. :welcoming:

Btw just for the record Kaara, Weapon dps makes up for that "massive" combo dam easily.

weaps dont make up for a combo... im still learning mage but when a guy like kaa offers advise ... i listen

[razurblade]

all i can say is crestmage you totally got your info messed up

[WhoIsThis]

Use the magical combo:ice ice nightmare heal works everytime.

If want a combo pm me in game but if u share it i will hunt you down (IGN Shadowwars)

That is quite possibly the worst combo you could use in PvP fight, especially in staff vs staff int mage fights.

[Lucilulu]

Ok so ill share a lil secret with u :distant:
U must NEVER EVER include ice in ur combo. especially for those that like to "hot flash" a lot in pve, DoNT. Cuz its simply not worth it. ICE and FROST should only be used as a backup in case ur main combo fails. Many ppl dont know bout this and they think that sacrificing 1 sec for that lil bit of "hot flash" action is good, well, its not. And also another case is that lightning MUST be the opening for a battle. For nuke mages, especially, cuz it has a slight armor debuff. So the skills spammed after lightning should have more dam, making up for the lost of "hot flash" . And alos, Be quick with ur fingers :apathy:

Good Luck PVPing! :tickled_pink:

NO! Enough Said?

[Willwacku]

Ice light fire drain is good combo!

nope drain needs first