What's the point of keeping Rhino so OP?

[Waug]

Everybody knows that rhino is game breaking OP, it can easily few hit kill a 4pc set bird while survive full combo after full combo after full combo ... from a bird. Against mages, if the mage can keep it frozen while delivering its full debuffs and combo and some luck for several times might kill a rhino. Bears don't even want to fight it.

Rhino vs rhino is just boring and tedious, this just makes this class lame, cause nobody wanna fight it, or making a L100 rhino would be fun for these reasons, that we can get some more people leveling for this reason.

The pure stat weapons are out of this context, because hardly anybody use that, and I can see one hit kills all over, if players starts to use that, and that will be needing some serious tweaking, thx.

[Mymysticalmage]

Everybody knows that rhino is game breaking OP, it can easily few hit kill a 4pc set bird while survive full combo after full combo after full combo ... from a bird. Against mages, if the mage can keep it frozen while delivering its full debuffs and combo and some luck for several times might kill a rhino. Bears don't even want to fight it.

Rhino vs rhino is just boring and tedious, this just makes this class lame, cause nobody wanna fight it, or making a L100 rhino would be fun for these reasons, that we can get some more people leveling for this reason.

The pure stat weapons are out of this context, because hardly anybody use that, and I can see one hit kills all over, if players starts to use that, and that will be needing some serious tweaking, thx.

Perhaps you just need to learn bird?

[Kurvy]

Perhaps you just need to learn bird?
Why do you even comment on here... so disrespectful...
And yes if more and more PUR.STAT weapons flow in pvp will get very 1-shotty

[Mymysticalmage]

Why do you even comment on here... so disrespectful...
And yes if more and more PUR.STAT weapons flow in pvp will get very 1-shotty

Im the disrespectful one..... mkay....

[Arvoh]

Rhino is OP, especially now with the speed ring and pure stat guns, it’s ridiculous, they can tank like a bear and move as fast as a fox while nuking like a mage or bird, not to mention a rhino with a gun can almost nuke a bear which doesnt even make sense anymore. 1-1 for the most part in L100 is broken with these $150 guns lol.

[Arvoh]

Im the disrespectful one..... mkay....

Lol, your post history makes it clear..

[MageFFA]

I don't agree to rhinos being overpowered using axe but pure stat(ALL PURE STATS) need a big nerf. And I'm not talking about a Berf Cinco when you Buff and nerf something at the same time I'm talking about a full on -800 dmg and lower than 1k armor type of nerf. Let's be real rhinos just need a Hit%, Dodge Crit and possibly mana nerf to be honest but knowing StS they'll probably end up A Nerfing the class in all zones rendering the class useless in zones like 30 where rhinos are already trash or i don't know 61-71? Or B nerfing it in endgame only where the class will be just like it has been for the last 5 freaking years or in other terms the previous 3 level caps 76 77 80 85. I'm not saying StS isn't balacing it right it's just not a easy class to balance. A few tweaks is all needed to the point it can still compete and not be a joke class like the rest of the caps. Oh and don't say "rhinos could easily kill peeps during 85 cap" when the buff happened you might as well claim that to be 100 cap because that was not 85 during the begining to early end of the cap.

[Waug]

"I don't agree to rhinos being overpowered using axe" - Says every rhino that only plays with this class, nothing unexpected LOL.

As I said that I'm keeping the pure stat guns outta this context because if everyone starts to use gun then the arena will get 1-2hit kills all over and that would require some serious tweaking.

[MageFFA]

"I don't agree to rhinos being overpowered using axe" - Says every rhino that only plays with this class, nothing unexpected LOL.

As I said that I'm keeping the pure stat guns outta this context because if everyone starts to use gun then the arena will get 1-2hit kills all over and that would require some serious tweaking.

If it was overpowered wouldn't it be 2 shotting like the gun? Does the Term Over Powered not mean to be superior in every Way Shape or form? If rhinos axe was over powered as everyone claim then shouldn't rhino 10-0 every class with no effort in only a few hits? I've done many 1v1s with some very good birds and i can tell you sometimes the matches are close if not a stalemate. Maybe it's skill wise? I mean if Cold or Precut can legit have close fights if not win against me shouldn't everyone else who knows what they are doing? I'm a very defensive rhino and i usually sweep through birds little ease even when rhinos was at their weakest in 85 so they legit put me on full defensive. Theoretically birds cannot beat rhinos overall and that's backed up from 98% of all zones. Only places i know where birds can completey dominate rhinos are the likes of 45, sometimes 51, possibly 76 now. This isn't really new we all know this. Mages v supporting tank. Mages aren't Completely put out of Context like they were for years, is it logical that a rhino can sweep through them in a couple combos no but it's also illogical that a mage would run through a rhino as ease as it did for the last 5 years. Same with all other classes. That's why we want a tweak in dodge so attacks can land more and oh don't think just because you die from a rhino said rhino took no dmg. A bird alone gets me near death in some of my fights so i know a dodge nerf will force me into using Brute(I've been using no dodge build) but even then attacks will land because of said dodge nerf. Hit nerf so hit% debuffs can actually be relevant but this should be all class nerf for hit. Critical nerf for obvious reasons. 86 critical no buff on a rhino is begging for instant nukes. Yet all of this is flawed. Maybe if people changed their play style and tried timing your attacks after guardian leaves (birdies that make that darn rhino invincible Murica) or attack AFTER the rhino heals which is a freaking 5second heal delay....thats pretty darn long for a fight mate. In 5 seconds you can deal alot of dmg. Maybe people would win more often. Maybe if birds started rooting AFTER HEAL ADDED WITH ALL MAJOR ATTACKS will birds start killing rhinos more. Maybe if mages didn't spam frost and focus on attacking AFTER GUARDIAN(Birdies invincible Murica) or heal which is 5 seconds.....pretty long for a fight. Will they start killing that rhino off. Who knows maybe nemdomfighter, kurvie, lovefury, cold, and precut are just luck based. I mean Kurvie you yourself said rhinos can sometimes be countered with a change of play style. If the term OP was really the case for rhinos then even the least experienced rhinos would sweep through every experienced player in mage ( bears are weak to me stat wise i think rhino dmg dps should swap with bears dmg dps) and birds. Foxes are the only class who needs to complain about anything but that's for another discussion.

[Waug]

If it was overpowered wouldn't it be 2 shotting like the gun? Does the Term Over Powered not mean to be superior in every Way Shape or form? If rhinos axe was over powered as everyone claim then shouldn't rhino 10-0 every class with no effort in only a few hits? I've done many 1v1s with some very good birds and i can tell you sometimes the matches are close if not a stalemate. Maybe it's skill wise? I mean if Cold or Precut can legit have close fights if not win against me shouldn't everyone else who knows what they are doing? I'm a very defensive rhino and i usually sweep through birds little ease even when rhinos was at their weakest in 85 so they legit put me on full defensive. Theoretically birds cannot beat rhinos overall and that's backed up from 98% of all zones. Only places i know where birds can completey dominate rhinos are the likes of 45, sometimes 51, possibly 76 now. This isn't really new we all know this. Mages v supporting tank. Mages aren't Completely put out of Context like they were for years, is it logical that a rhino can sweep through them in a couple combos no but it's also illogical that a mage would run through a rhino as ease as it did for the last 5 years. Same with all other classes. That's why we want a tweak in dodge so attacks can land more and oh don't think just because you die from a rhino said rhino took no dmg. A bird alone gets me near death in some of my fights so i know a dodge nerf will force me into using Brute(I've been using no dodge build) but even then attacks will land because of said dodge nerf. Hit nerf so hit% debuffs can actually be relevant but this should be all class nerf for hit. Critical nerf for obvious reasons. 86 critical no buff on a rhino is begging for instant nukes. Yet all of this is flawed. Maybe if people changed their play style and tried timing your attacks after guardian leaves (birdies that make that darn rhino invincible Murica) or attack AFTER the rhino heals which is a freaking 5second heal delay....thats pretty darn long for a fight mate. In 5 seconds you can deal alot of dmg. Maybe people would win more often. Maybe if birds started rooting AFTER HEAL ADDED WITH ALL MAJOR ATTACKS will birds start killing rhinos more. Maybe if mages didn't spam frost and focus on attacking AFTER GUARDIAN(Birdies invincible Murica) or heal which is 5 seconds.....pretty long for a fight. Will they start killing that rhino off. Who knows maybe nemdomfighter, kurvie, lovefury, cold, and precut are just luck based. I mean Kurvie you yourself said rhinos can sometimes be countered with a change of play style. If the term OP was really the case for rhinos then even the least experienced rhinos would sweep through every experienced player in mage ( bears are weak to me stat wise i think rhino dmg dps should swap with bears dmg dps) and birds. Foxes are the only class who needs to complain about anything but that's for another discussion.

You yourself made it clear that "as everyone claims rhino OP" in the above bolded line, in fact that those birds you named used to refer "no point fighting rhino" after getting reked by rhinos even in the pre dodge nerf phase when rhinos were less overpowered than compared to now, due to fact that damage itself was high.

You trying to put yourself at the parameter of a perfect rhino here, a proper build & just decent rhino can destroy any other class any player, if you can't you need to tweak your tactics and/or builds, but ya as I already said, due to superior freezing capabilities of mages, a mage can kill it but that takes lots of effort and luck too.

And why rhino is OP, already explained in my original post, it don't have to be 1-2 hit killer to be OP, what are you talking about? at least make some sense TBH. As already told you, your whole perspective is playing WITH rhino not AGAINST it, thus you're trying to put something tactical that aren't there ATALL simply those tactics don't & can't work because you're already dead before that & for other reasons. The only thing that can kill rhino after serious effort is to KEEP EM AWAY FROM YOU, the one & only tactic that can work against a rhino, and that's hard cause of 3 sec CD charge skill of rhino, where mage have slight advantage of superb freezes, that's where they get the chance & that's the main reason along with superb debuffs, it's comparably easier to kill rhino with a mage BUT still, rhino is much OP than mage, the chances are still narrow.

[Mymysticalmage]

Lol, your post history makes it clear..

Please dont act like your so innocent......

[Cqrd]

164557 no questions

[Waug]

LOL, what's the point of this SS. Seems to be irrelevant to the topic of this thread!

[Jilsponie]

LOL, what's the point of this SS. Seems to be irrelevant to the topic of this thread!Whynotcrit is whynotsuck... they are an example of a horrible player that can win because of the rhino stat weapon. 4-1 him bird vs bird, lose 10-0 to his pay to win weapon. It's so dumb people can make up for a lack of skill by paying to win. So many actually GOOD players leaving or just not playing pvp anymore.

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[Arvoh]

Whynotcrit is whynotsuck... they are an example of a horrible player that can win because of the rhino stat weapon. 4-1 him bird vs bird, lose 10-0 to his pay to win weapon. It's so dumb people can make up for a lack of skill by paying to win. So many actually GOOD players leaving or just not playing pvp anymore.

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Nowadays endgame is pretty deserted for that reason, theres usually more locked games than open ones lol, these guns are screwing up endgame, not to mention the extra speed ring that nobody asked for. Im surprised they let speed back in PvP, when last year nobody liked it.

[Congeniality]

Nowadays endgame is pretty deserted for that reason, theres usually more locked games than open ones lol, these guns are screwing up endgame, not to mention the extra speed ring that nobody asked for. Im surprised they let speed back in PvP, when last year nobody liked it.

#wakeupSHEEPLE!


XD

[MageFFA]

Whynotcrit is whynotsuck... they are an example of a horrible player that can win because of the rhino stat weapon. 4-1 him bird vs bird, lose 10-0 to his pay to win weapon. It's so dumb people can make up for a lack of skill by paying to win. So many actually GOOD players leaving or just not playing pvp anymore.

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Its not even his weapon either. It's Jens, burberry gm of Virgin. She legit bought the entire guild Pure stat guns. Every virgin you see using pure stat is not theirs. The entire guild is pay to win and majority if not all are not that good.

[Kurvy]

With these weapons i do feel like endgame is gonna be a repeat of blaster birds x100, except now with every class.

[Cinco]

I'm not nerfing the Pure Stat nor the Hemi-Stat weaponry.

Rhino was the worst class until I made him viable with updates a few months ago.

[Arvoh]

I'm not nerfing the Pure Stat nor the Hemi-Stat weaponry.

Rhino was the worst class until I made him viable with updates a few months ago.

Yeah, and now it’s the most overpowered class by far. Literally a dashing tank that can heal like a mage and nuke like a bird. That doesn’t sound overpowered enough to nerf something? The inbalance in pvp is ridiculous. PvP pre-2h buff was more balanced than the current state of pvp now, and rhinos were still the best class even then lol. If nothing’s going to be done about this then i won’t be surprised to see everyone go rhino in a few months like how everyone was running around with a mage in 80 cap.

[Congeniality]

I'm not nerfing the Pure Stat nor the Hemi-Stat weaponry.

Rhino was the worst class until I made him viable with updates a few months ago.

Would you be willing to give fox a bit of a boost as well? Fox has been an under-powered class for quite some time and it seems that the 100 cap has followed suit with those prior. Even a small buff would be appreciated. That being said, I have no experience with game balancing so I may not be totally sure of what I am talking about :D!

[MageFFA]

i'm not nerfing the pure stat nor the hemi-stat weaponry.

Rhino was the worst class until i made him viable with updates a few months ago.

finally someone who can speak the truth.

[Waug]

Rhino was the worst class until I made him viable with updates a few months ago.

ENDGAME rhinos are far more than just viable, calling rhino un-killable isn't exaggeration. They're the tank that nuke everything. Atleast endgame rhino SET damage should be nerfed abit, if not then the defensive stats, they don't meant to nuke everything sitting on a tank, that's clearly unfair. This way that won't effect other level rhinoes.

[MageFFA]

ENDGAME rhinos are far more than just viable, calling rhino un-killable isn't exaggeration. They're the tank that nuke everything. Atleast endgame rhino SET damage should be nerfed abit, if not then the defensive stats, they don't meant to nuke everything sitting on a tank, that's clearly unfair. This way that won't effect other level rhinoes.

The Sets DMG is fine. Majority of rhino fights are just pure critical attacks which is why everyone dies. Only things that need to be tuned down is Dodge, Critical, Hit%, and possibly mana regeneration. Rhino as a whole has waaaay less health than other classes if i remember correctly mages has more base health than rhino, so does birds, to complain about rhinos health would be false once you consider the fact bears HP goes beyond that of the rhino class. Why would a supporting Tank have the same HP as a mage or a assault class USING STR GEAR. Calling rhinos unkillable IS a Exaggeration OUTSIDE FOX. You're looking at things at a birds standpoint, when was there ever a zone birds had the FULL CAPABILITY OF BEATING RHINOS? I can name zones where rhinos and birds are equal on 1 hand, 1, 45, 66, 76(possibly) thats it. To say mages can't really compete vs rhinos is making rhinos seem more "OP" than they really are. I've talked to some rhinos and majority of them say mages are very hard opponents to beat, for my case birds are alot more difficult because of my build. Bears itself is inconsistent as STR. Last cap we saw bears not that good as STR so the same can be said for now but then again that's my standpoint as a rhino vs bear. I just feel like bears don't do as much damage to other STR bears or rhinos as they should be. I can agree on one thing. PURE STAT AND HEMI NEEDS TO GO. LIKE GOGO. FORGOTTEN BOW TYPE UPDATE. These plat weapons are on a whole other level than what we've seen before. At least when the Forgotten weapons came out later along the lines we got weapons that can stack up against them. But this is absurd it's legit a 2 shot kill buffed 3shot kill unbuffed. That's not fair what so ever. If cinco won't nerf them then can we at least get s buff on 4pc items? I don't even want to see pure stat craftable i just want free to play players to compete instead of getting doninated by these guns.

[Waug]

The Sets DMG is fine. Majority of rhino fights are just pure critical attacks which is why everyone dies. Only things that need to be tuned down is Dodge, Critical, Hit%, and possibly mana regeneration. Rhino as a whole has waaaay less health than other classes if i remember correctly mages has more base health than rhino, so does birds, to complain about rhinos health would be false once you consider the fact bears HP goes beyond that of the rhino class. Why would a supporting Tank have the same HP as a mage or a assault class USING STR GEAR. Calling rhinos unkillable IS a Exaggeration OUTSIDE FOX. You're looking at things at a birds standpoint, when was there ever a zone birds had the FULL CAPABILITY OF BEATING RHINOS? I can name zones where rhinos and birds are equal on 1 hand, 1, 45, 66, 76(possibly) thats it. To say mages can't really compete vs rhinos is making rhinos seem more "OP" than they really are. I've talked to some rhinos and majority of them say mages are very hard opponents to beat, for my case birds are alot more difficult because of my build. Bears itself is inconsistent as STR. Last cap we saw bears not that good as STR so the same can be said for now but then again that's my standpoint as a rhino vs bear. I just feel like bears don't do as much damage to other STR bears or rhinos as they should be. I can agree on one thing. PURE STAT AND HEMI NEEDS TO GO. LIKE GOGO. FORGOTTEN BOW TYPE UPDATE. These plat weapons are on a whole other level than what we've seen before. At least when the Forgotten weapons came out later along the lines we got weapons that can stack up against them. But this is absurd it's legit a 2 shot kill buffed 3shot kill unbuffed. That's not fair what so ever. If cinco won't nerf them then can we at least get s buff on 4pc items? I don't even want to see pure stat craftable i just want free to play players to compete instead of getting doninated by these guns.

Strickly endgame rhino is the topic of discussion, and I think even cinco himself missed that we talked only about L100 Endgame rhino, MY FAULT, I should have mentioned it clearly.

If you wanna decrease crit, it must be done in an way that the crit should be significantly less than 100 after full buff, either way damage will be less. Whatever everybody knows that it's such a tank that can nuke anything (4 piece sets )

Rhino with pure stat gun do damage 1500 on my 4 pc talon bird, I didn't notice to do that much damage with any other class pure stat weapon, that's also implies a high damage either for rhino class (most probably) or rhino pure stat gun.

[Kurvy]

You could make it OP In Endgame farming, but its to much in pvp. All I see now is people that have close to zero skills, killing people with auto and 2 shotting people, this sucks for everyone who has to deal with them. And will soon get boring for the people who use the,m.

[XxTHExxDONxX]

Gg endgame PvP...newgen rhinos trash talking cuz their class so op you can't do nothing against it...these plat guns so ridiculous...leave it to new developers to screw up balanced PvP ggwp...what a waste ...uninstalled

[Waug]

Gg endgame PvP...newgen rhinos trash talking cuz their class so op you can't do nothing against it...these plat guns so ridiculous...leave it to new developers to screw up balanced PvP ggwp...what a waste ...uninstalled

This is what everyone thinks other than those who actually use rhinos. Let's begin the story -

After getting the pure stat gun, I found that the auto damage is pretty high BUT SKILL DAMAGE IS PRETTY LOW, even lower than the 4pc talon set. The point is that, simply nerfing endgame rhino damage from the set from rhino can balance the whole aspect INCLUDING the gun. No other class basically don't wan't use pure stat guns because that's not that much good, that it seems to be, unless for some specific cases, like using dex pure gun to kill OP 4 pc set rhinoes. That's because killing stat gun bird with a 4pc talon set is ez, similarly killing a stat gun mage with a 4pc set wand set mage ain't hard either, that shows guns ain't such a big mess yet but the rhino still is REALLY REALLY A BIG MESS.

The whole point of saying is that even though it seems like guns are actually a BIG mess, it's not that big TBH other than the only class that is Rhino with gun, which do 1500+ (output damage) auto damage, highest with any gun, other class guns do damage 1200+ max. There's no point of fighting them even with stat guns with other classes.

These small things will surely restore the endgame pvp alot -
- Nerfing damage from endgame rhino set
- If necessary also nerf abit damage from rhino pure stat gun.

[Kurvy]

This is what everyone thinks other than those who actually use rhinos. Let's begin the story -

After getting the pure stat gun, I found that the auto damage is pretty high BUT SKILL DAMAGE IS PRETTY LOW, even lower than the 4pc talon set. The point is that, simply nerfing endgame rhino damage from the set from rhino can balance the whole aspect INCLUDING the gun. No other class basically don't wan't use pure stat guns because that's not that much good, that it seems to be, unless for some specific cases, like using dex pure gun to kill OP 4 pc set rhinoes. That's because killing stat gun bird with a 4pc talon set is ez, similarly killing a stat gun mage with a 4pc set wand set mage ain't hard either, that shows guns ain't such a big mess yet but the rhino still is REALLY REALLY A BIG MESS.

The whole point of saying is that even though it seems like guns are actually a BIG mess, it's not that big TBH other than the only class that is Rhino with gun, which do 1500+ (output damage) auto damage, highest with any gun, other class guns do damage 1200+ max. There's no point of fighting them even with stat guns with other classes.

These small things will surely restore the endgame pvp alot -
- Nerfing damage from endgame rhino set
- If necessary also nerf abit damage from rhino pure stat gun.
The problem isn't the rhinos axe. The axe is balanced. It's the guns that's driving everyone out of PL.

[Congeniality]

The problem isn't the rhinos axe. The axe is balanced. It's the guns that's driving everyone out of PL.

Legit have stopped playing totally for the first time in 7 years, feels bad man..... :O

[Waug]

The problem isn't the rhinos axe. The axe is balanced. It's the guns that's driving everyone out of PL.

It's a cleaver way to nerf even gun rhino damage without nerfing the gun itself u silly, specially because cinco don't don't wanna nerf guns. Axe is not a problem is not true is a false statement. Rhino as a class OP with Axe that's the huge problem.

[XghostzX]

Legit have stopped playing totally for the first time in 7 years, feels bad man..... :O

I have heard from a few buddies that they, too, are temporarily abandoning PL until the balance of PvP is restored to what it formerly was prior to this Gun. I am eager to hop back onto PL in a month to better evaluate the situation and will give my two cents if nothing has changed.

If there is one thing I have learned from the mechanics of PL, it's that any tampering with the conventional system of stats -- even miniscule changes -- have dramatic repurcussions. The presence of a flourishing endgame community means a lot to us all, and I know that nobody wants to see it shattered.

In light of Cinco's last reply to this thread, I do hope he can tweak around with the Gun's stats, even if it requires subtle changes from time to time (rather than just leave it as it is). I would hate to see a ghost-town endgame community because of an unaddressed issue.

[Kurvy]

I have heard from a few buddies that they, too, are temporarily abandoning PL until the balance of PvP is restored to what it formerly was prior to this Gun. I am eager to hop back onto PL in a month to better evaluate the situation and will give my two cents if nothing has changed.

If there is one thing I have learned from the mechanics of PL, it's that any tampering with the conventional system of stats -- even miniscule changes -- have dramatic repurcussions. The presence of a flourishing endgame community means a lot to us all, and I know that nobody wants to see it shattered.

In light of Cinco's last reply to this thread, I do hope he can tweak around with the Gun's stats, even if it requires subtle changes from time to time (rather than just leave it as it is). I would hate to see a ghost-town endgame community because of an unaddressed issue.

Its already happening, same 10 people ive seen in endgame the past few days, and about half of them are pur.stat.

[Cqrd]

I'm not nerfing the Pure Stat nor the Hemi-Stat weaponry.

Rhino was the worst class until I made him viable with updates a few months ago.
Hybird of mage and bear, since when was this a good idea, fox is somewhat it's own class but i don't see the point in a rhino. Mage and bear are some what the best pvp team, now it's in one class, that even has a 12m dash, with a 1k-1.5k auto gun, if someone can not see what's wrong here wow. Cough (mymagical) you've never been skilled so i would see why you see nothing wrong with this just your type. 100% auto pvp so fun! At this point bear just looks bad the 2h-gun range is broken get hit debuffed and it won't land a thing.

[Congeniality]

I have heard from a few buddies that they, too, are temporarily abandoning PL until the balance of PvP is restored to what it formerly was prior to this Gun. I am eager to hop back onto PL in a month to better evaluate the situation and will give my two cents if nothing has changed.

If there is one thing I have learned from the mechanics of PL, it's that any tampering with the conventional system of stats -- even miniscule changes -- have dramatic repurcussions. The presence of a flourishing endgame community means a lot to us all, and I know that nobody wants to see it shattered.

In light of Cinco's last reply to this thread, I do hope he can tweak around with the Gun's stats, even if it requires subtle changes from time to time (rather than just leave it as it is). I would hate to see a ghost-town endgame community because of an unaddressed issue.


Its already happening, same 10 people ive seen in endgame the past few days, and about half of them are pur.stat.

I find PvP near unplayable at the moment, and I have not played in quite some time. In fact, when I do get on it's only for a short time because I remember the insane damage totals I can't keep up with unless I spend a fortune of gold or dish out money for these new stat guns. All in all, I find the game very disenchanting since the introduction of the stat guns and look forward to PLA being released in the United States in the near future.

[Melikebear]

I mean why don't yall come down a lil bit in pvp it's fun trust meh [emoji108][emoji8]

[MageFFA]

Hybird of mage and bear, since when was this a good idea, fox is somewhat it's own class but i don't see the point in a rhino. Mage and bear are some what the best pvp team, now it's in one class, that even has a 12m dash, with a 1k-1.5k auto gun, if someone can not see what's wrong here wow. Cough (mymagical) you've never been skilled so i would see why you see nothing wrong with this just your type. 100% auto pvp so fun! At this point bear just looks bad the 2h-gun range is broken get hit debuffed and it won't land a thing.

It's been a idea. Supporting tanks has been a thing since Ps2 if i remember correctly it's not something new and I'll assure you it was a good idea. But i agree pure stat needs a change big time. To beat 2 players to a game to 10 is pathetic and cheap. Oh and fox is known as the assassin class.

[MageFFA]

It's a cleaver way to nerf even gun rhino damage without nerfing the gun itself u silly, specially because cinco don't don't wanna nerf guns. Axe is not a problem is not true is a false statement. Rhino as a class OP with Axe that's the huge problem.

Rhino class is NOT OP with axe if you took the time to look at rhinos stats when wearing axe setup you'll see that their DMG goes beyond that of even bears. Axe set is only "OP" to you because you're a bird....a class that is not known for even being slightly matched with the Rhino class. Mages CAN beat rhinos trust me I've seen it myself it's just not a easy process. If rhino gets a Dodge, Critical, and Hit nerf it could go two ways. A: Balancing the class since it ALREADY HAS a 2x combo Multiplier ,which if you looked carefully it can make cruel blast, beck stomp, and hot flash pale in comparison, the drop off in Critical and Hit can make the combo deal less Critical DMG and having it not land while under Hit% debuff. B: completely Decimating the class because it won't be able to deal consistent DMG since well.....RHINOS ONLY HAVE 3 ATTACKS THAT ACTUALLY DEAL DMG. Charge, Redemption, Holy Tempest. What you're asking is a complete Nerf of the class overall by effecting it's base Stats and Skills as a whole yet if you ever chose to play rhino class back then you'd see why i completely reject everything you're saying. In 2013 rhinos were capable of beating out most classes in close fights, take 30 where i originate as a rhino from. I was capable of beating out bears by timing my charge and tempest to counter attack a bear from becking me i charged while being beckon pushing them away. To counter a bears CB and slashes i used holy tempest keeping them away and debuffing at the same time. Yet something happened later on at the end of 2013, a global nerf on rhino? I was not dealing even close to what i was doing months before and it tore rhinos overall. It was a DMG drop off, rhinos were being eaten alive by bears with ez i legit had to resort to full on kiting half the time to keep bears at bay. What ever was done made rhinos fodder to mages overall as if mages were not superior to begin with. At 61 i couldn't beat out bears like i use to. In fact i couldn't kill them at all anymore not even 56s. I had to swap to using demonic and even then it wasn't a guarantee to win against orlok unlike how i was able to beat demo bears. This entire story is me telling you what you're asking StS to do. If you don't like how axe plays then simply ask StS cinco to nerf rhinos dmg down to bears since rhino do have more dmg overall than it. Pure stat from what i heard from hook requires you to be pure in stat? If that IS the case then a Hit nerf could destroy the gun, but i don't want just that. I want a full Damage, Hit, and Critical nerf on that gun. @Cinco there is no reason ANY GUN should be destroying free to play players like this. We all ask for a nerf this is cancer right now man.

[Duckypowerz]

Rhino as a whole is op I mean yes I’m a bird and rhino is a joke to verse because Their gun hits 1.5k’s and excluding that fact their 4pc set is still op. People are saying only birds are complaining about rhinos 4pc set but when was the last time a bear or a fox was able to beat a 4pc rhino either? Right they don’t and mages hardly beat them when running and using ice constantly. so to sum it up rhino is op at 100 with fun and 4pc set and it’s not just vs bird it’s vs all classes.

[Hybridull]

I'm not nerfing the Pure Stat nor the Hemi-Stat weaponry.

Rhino was the worst class until I made him viable with updates a few months ago.I think u should nerf Rhino buffs because in a fight with bear vs rhino,rhino does no dmg but it is enough tanky to resist 4 crushing blows 4 hellscreams 3 slashes and bedk stomp and i think stat rhinos are not so op if they get nerf guardian(skill with birds who give evade,dodge).Please cinco,look after people comments(those good peoples who are remarkable on bear).

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[Hybridull]

I think u should nerf Rhino buffs because in a fight with bear vs rhino,rhino does no dmg but it is enough tanky to resist 4 crushing blows 4 hellscreams 3 slashes and beck stomp and i think stat rhinos are not so op if they get nerf guardian(skill with birds who give evade,dodge).Please cinco,look after people comments(those good peoples who are remarkable on bear).

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