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Smartress
07-08-2010, 08:13 PM
I understand the necessity to have BOOT functionality by the game host

For example a group of guildies started a game, someone non-guidies just joined in, the host kindly asks him/her to leave as the spot is saved for some fellow guildies, which is perfectly fine to boot that person if he refuses to leave.

Or a lvl 5 joined in Alien Oasis 2, Map 1 just because he recently purchased the expansion map. Then the host boot him/her is perfectly fine.

What I cannot tolerate or will be furious are the following situations:


When you assisted the group to clear the thresh mobs all the way to the boss, then the host boot you out ask his 13 years old friend to join so they can kill the boss.

Or in a random PUG, just after you drink all your 1,500g potions, they boot you out. That’s why I never ever use Pots at the beginning.

Or a loot dropped in your favour from the 1st boss, the host wants it, constantly nagging you to sell/trade/give for free, but you need it for your sub-character, then he decides to boot you despite 2/3bosses remaining.


We do need some basic Instance/Group Etiquette, this thread is dedicated to name and shame the players did any of above to you, personally I will never ever group with that person.

Smartress
07-08-2010, 10:17 PM
I started the thread, might as well start the list, name is Dreamspell, Lvl 45 Enchantress, did Crime 1 twice to me.

I will be stupid to let him to do the 3rd time to me.

BestHyun
07-08-2010, 10:48 PM
suggestion : vote kick

maneut
07-08-2010, 11:05 PM
suggestion : vote kick

Can you elaborate a bit? is it to cast a question to the group and vote who to kick?

BestHyun
07-08-2010, 11:15 PM
Can you elaborate a bit? is it to cast a question to the group and vote who to kick?

somethin like that

Theremin
07-08-2010, 11:25 PM
I just add people who do stuff like that, or generally get on my nerves to my ignore list. (I hope there is no limit to the number if people you can add to your ignore list, lmao.) That seems to take care of the problem. Fv(k with me once, shame on you: Fv(k with me twice, shame on me. IMO, there doesn't seem to be any good, justifiable reason to continue grouping with known 455h0135. Just a thought, however... Everyone has their preferences.

But you're right about the expense of potions. I think that once the group has advanced so far into the game, a person should be able to have a fair chance to get their shot on winning some loot, especially since serious players spend TONS on potions and elixirs, and are online in-game consistently. I think it's dirty that people use others to clear trash for their friends who probably don't play regularly but want to get epic items for characters which won't be online for the next two campaigns to come even. I definitely think there should be some sort of honor among thieves (and junkies, too, for that matter) in place to discourage this type of behavior.

jonboy
07-09-2010, 02:25 AM
Only been booted once, when I joined a game, I have no idea why I was, all I saw was "dammit I'm reporting" followed by - you have been booted by M***m.
It really makes you go WTF do I spend time with this game.

KingFu
07-09-2010, 02:36 AM
I can't stand these situations either. I boot a lot because I am almost always saving the spot for someone.

Another one is when someone say "I get Plasma Swords" you say no, then they boot, I have only done that with Alien Blasters, but I didn't boot if they said no, I would say OK, and move on lol, even when they said yes I didn't count on it ;) I mainly said that to see what they would say or as a joke. If they dropped it I would ask to trade but I wouldn't ask for it for free. :)

jonboy
07-09-2010, 02:44 AM
I even have a quickchat slot setup as "Ok to join?" but didn't even get a chance to ask. Oh well I guess I just harden the ***k up. :)

Arjun
07-09-2010, 02:55 AM
Had the subject on my mind a couple of days back. It’s been a while since I last got booted. It’s annoying. But like for instance. Got booted a lot from this one guys game (I think because he boots for fun or cause he might be saving a spot for someone?), right level for the job, zone was empty, just random boot. No discussion, no arguments, no nothing - think he just likes to create and hang out to boot for the heck of it.

So basically. I just don’t join that characters game if I happen to see it. Helps if they got an original name or something. Or you tend to forget the vague ones. Could even have like a fake name. . .(adding the extra alphabet) booting players having joined a game they created. Give the original character a bad rep. Tht sort of thing.

Who knows. After a point, you figure it’s their loss.

Meanwhile, my reasoning was more along the lines of Player levels. But more importantly Playing Style.

With AO II, I noticed that being a level 40, or say 41, and joining a game that happens to be populated by players at lvl 43 and above, you always have that one fool that suggests booting the character at the lowest level. That is of course if the pragmatic clown isn’t the one with the booting privileges. Presumably to open up space for a potential 43, 44 to join up. Right.

However. This is where playing style comes in. Some of us approach the whole thing as quite simply - a game. We buy potions. . .pop them every couple of seconds and use abilities as soon as they cool down. Others, meanwhile. Heal only when they take damage. Use an ability only to strike at a boss. Do their personal best to conserve their own Mana. Try to spend as little as possible on anything. Damage Elixirs. Exp Elixirs. So on and so forth. So what sense does it make booting a slightly lower lvl. (40-42) from a dungeon specified for players between lvl 40-45. Absolutely none at all. Not at least until you have seen their game.

And dont even get me started on the lvl 45’s who get all surprised when the screen lights up with a combo you jst happened to execute casually. Must of been used to playin in little boot-happy cliques where they were all busy saving up their mana and harassing each other about wanting to trade this drop for another.

Go ahead and run with the selfish-mage who happens to be at level 45 cappd. I’ll take my pots and head elsewhere thanks very much.

Arjun
07-09-2010, 03:01 AM
I boot a lot because I am almost always saving the spot for someone.

Yeahh. . .So I noticed. It wld have helped if you gave the person joining a second to consider their options. But. Like I said. Certain games. I specifically don't join these days. Wht's tht old saying. Once bitten twice shy. . . Oor. . .there are heaps more tht come to mind. . .but nothing more specific at the moment. Is it a saying even? Or a truism? whtever tht is.

Take my potts nd my ADHD infused gameplay to the very next instance.

jonboy
07-09-2010, 03:10 AM
Well I have my blacklist so to speak, but I don't think posting their names in a thread will do any good.

ratava
07-09-2010, 03:26 AM
Some good posts here eg Arjun, Thearmin.

As a casual player on lower lvls only booted once, & agreed wd be nice if they say in chat: "goner boot u: Reason. Txs." Then plant the foot!

But sounds I'll take the ignore list if it becomes a hassle higher up, not a power-gamer. I think Guilds could be a part-solution for looking for a team of similar play styles? Plus guild colors would be cool : )

jonboy
07-09-2010, 03:29 AM
I think guilds will solve this problem as well.

asommers
07-09-2010, 07:50 AM
We could make it so you can't quick join a game or have games listed from someone on your ignore list.

-ALS

Jstizar
07-09-2010, 08:32 AM
We could make it so you can't quick join a game or have games listed from someone on your ignore list.

-ALS

That would deffinitely be a good way to slightly remedy the problem. I just don't play enough to even worry about getting booted. XD (unless it is by mystical) It's amazing I even got to 45 in a few days.

Royce
07-09-2010, 09:20 AM
We could make it so you can't quick join a game or have games listed from someone on your ignore list.

-ALS

I think this would be great.

Smartress
07-11-2010, 09:08 PM
We could make it so you can't quick join a game or have games listed from someone on your ignore list.

-ALS

That would be awesome.

Azrael
07-12-2010, 02:05 AM
We could make it so you can't quick join a game or have games listed from someone on your ignore list.

-ALS

I'm against that personally. I use the ignore list to block out spammers, not to lower the amount of games i can see. Besides, you would still end up with those people in your party if they joined a game you were in, or a game you started ( yes you could boot them then). Seems like a half measure that doesn't fully solve what i perceive to be a problem of memory. If a person can't remember a player's name well enough to recognize said player as "black listed", he can't be all that bad.

Inching
07-12-2010, 03:02 AM
Just play nice. If boot then at least notify. I personally never booted but we have a lot of kids which don't really care.

Kingofthebear
07-12-2010, 06:35 AM
I can't say I've ever ran into this as a problem. Rather than worry about who, out of the 500 people that might be on, to avoid I concentrate on building a quality friends list. I farm with people I know, level with people I know, and if I'm playing runs with people I don't know I just wait a game or so before I decide to potion up.

Is getting booted really such a bad thing? Oh well, it's always easy to join a game, and if you feel so inclined, start one yourself.

Inching
07-12-2010, 07:20 AM
Do what I do, log into the town and one of ur friends will bound to invite you.

ratava
07-12-2010, 08:31 AM
Not a major issue, eg above work-arounds, but suggestion 2 to color-code games run by ignorelist, justs adds more info to the menu, so if there is a demand for it as a feature, eg a few clash of personalities by some committed players, maybe in that case, to implement as an optional extra, might help them, cons being to keep the menu simple tho?

All in all, I'm dead impressed with the numerous extra small features eg color-code ping is really cool addition, support MSG, number of players, battery life display tucked in the corner, filters on the menu etc - top work to date guys, these details are amazing support to the gaming!

FluffNStuff
07-12-2010, 10:11 AM
Just want to mention a suggestion for Runners. I have been using my L41 Warrior for loot games because it seems a lot of em are just killing everything, so I figure why not use it to level my Third. But if I get in the game and you are runners, mention it and I will go get my L45 Running Designed Paladin. Don't just boot right away. You could be missing out on a serious Running Support Machine.

Snakespeare
07-12-2010, 12:24 PM
I got booted once because someone gave me something that was reddened out and insisted I use it. So I said, not enough INT, and he booted me. I just joined another dungeon, and he followed me there to insist that I give the item back, which I did, as I already had one. But it was all my fault, of course. ;)

Some people should not have the boot power.

Mahk
07-12-2010, 04:14 PM
LoL -- Good thread! I suspected the No. 1 issue would come up, boot folks right before a boss. hasn't happened to me yet (but prolly should!)

My fav this weekend was AO2:4 -- bunch of 45 warriors and then a 23 archer and a 31 enchantress. After we wipe a few times, the 31 is all "Boot the Lowbie!" Ahhh, good times!

Jstizar
07-12-2010, 04:58 PM
LoL -- Good thread! I suspected the No. 1 issue would come up, boot folks right before a boss. hasn't happened to me yet (but prolly should!)

My fav this weekend was AO2:4 -- bunch of 45 warriors and then a 23 archer and a 31 enchantress. After we wipe a few times, the 31 is all "Boot the Lowbie!" Ahhh, good times!

yeah...great times.......not.

Bozack
07-13-2010, 03:08 AM
Hey smartress. If anything dreamspells booting u was an accident. Being a close friend of dreamspells I'm booted and ignored. We All know trying to chat while farming and having a mob at u isn't the easiest. So don't name drop and be bitter over an accident.

twinklestar
07-13-2010, 03:56 AM
yeaaa.. everyone gets booted now and then. so party with your friends!

Monqi
07-15-2010, 08:59 AM
It's just got boot by other people y so fuss about.. So wat u have used up 1000 over pots or play to clear many stage! It just a game plus if they give a reason to u for booting is a bonus. Hence, being boot is nothing to be sad or angry about!

Arjun
07-19-2010, 11:38 PM
Check this one - Had a dude who I let power lvl with me through AOII. Right. From down at lvl 23 or something. Now our friend gets to about 42 in a period of say 24 hours odd. And boots me. Alright so I admit. They were farming the 3rd lvl on AOII for xp (?) Gold (?) and running off without hitting the bosses. I guess the philosophy at play is lvl to cap and then work the bosses. But why would you wanna do that. Especially if you have a good mixed up crew . . . healers . . .warriors and archers running.

Seems these guys cant see strategy for what its worth. True. If it's you and a couple of lower level people trying to max out. Kill the little zombies and reboot. But when you clearly - clearly - have a group of four or even five players who can coordinate and attack, it's pretty pointless to restart and hit the zombies. Wouldn't you think.

Anyway. . so I'm trying to tell this guy lets hit the bosses. Communicating. Remember. Didnt so much as suggest booting the person myself not more than eight hours earlier. And wht do I get for trying to convince someone that he happens to have a good enough crew to take the boss. Boot.

Best part of it all. Zero Combo Coordination. Not one Lightning Strike. Not One Nightmare. Not even so much as a hotflash mage solo thing by this lvler upper.. . .too far too fast. . Hexagonal or something was the character. If your hearing me bro. . . .you needs ta communicate. In-Game. Its what the chat function is there for. Eve if just so say - Shhh . . . .Be Verry Verry Quiet - I'm Hunting Wabbits.

Counting gold and xp is for - well . . .accountants and unimaginative types and stuff . . . Dont fear the reaper man. . . dont fear the reaper.