Hardcore mode info and feedback request

[Justg]

Happy Monday!

As some of you may know, we're working on a hardcore mode and we'd love your feedback.

Rules:

- Perma-death/ equipment loss in PvE and PvP
- Resurrect @ L1 for plat
- Hardcore cannot play with non-hardcore in PvE (we're going to need your help in tracking down all the edge cases here)
- No trade/ no stash
- No tier-up gift packs

Rewards:

- Tier Banners (Levels TBD)
- Tier Achievements
- Tier Titles
- Tier System Announcements
- Colored Name (on capped hardcore toon)

What do you think?

Thanks, and have a great week!

- g

[Endroids]

Interesting

[jade10]

Yay 2nd
Tyvm


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[Zylx]

Once you get to the max level, and get the title, are you able to switch to non-hardcore mode?

[Abuze]

gear loss xD nice way of making economy 'stable'

[Mrops|AL]

What do you mean with equipment loss?
When you die you lose your items??


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[mhysaa]

Only will be able to resurrect by platinum? Then it will separate platinum players for normal players. '-' idk if that is nice.. Maybe some ankh system buying it by platinum but tradeable? So all players can have it.

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[Perceval]

Happy Monday!

As some of you may know, we're working on a hardcore mode and we'd love your feedback.

Rules:

- Perma-death/ equipment loss in PvE and PvP
- Resurrect @ L1 for plat
- Hardcore cannot play with non-hardcore in PvE (we're going to need your help in tracking down all the edge cases here)
- No trade/ no stash
- No tier-up gift packs

Rewards:

- Tier Banners (L46, L66, L71)
- Tier Achievements
- Tier Titles
- Tier System Announcements
- Colored Name (on capped hardcore toon)

What do you think?

Thanks, and have a great week!

- g

Could you explain the perma-death and equipment loss a little more please?

Why is resurrecting at level 1 specifically for plat so important?

What do you mean by edge cases?

Is there a way to return to being able to trade and stash once you hit the max tier?

[jade10]

What!!!! So if u died u loss all your gears?
And you need plats to repawn at lvl 1 again???

And u cant buy gears in shop?? Interesting hahaha im excited . Bring it on g!!

Anyway can we make some gold in this hardcore thing?? Cuz some of my friends hoping that this gonna be a new goldloot base hahahaha
Thnak you verry much ..


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[Justg]

Once you get to the max level, and get the title, are you able to switch to non-hardcore mode?

Not the plan, can you make a compelling case otherwise?


What do you mean with equipment loss?
When you die you lose your items??

That is correct, and no trade or leveling care packages, so you only have what you earn on the way up. You eat what you kill.


Could you explain the perma-death and equipment loss a little more please?

Why is resurrecting at level 1 specifically for plat so important?

What do you mean by edge cases?

Is there a way to return to being able to trade and stash once you hit the max tier?

Perma-death/ equipment loss, you die, you lose your character and equipment. Unless you resurrect with (a not-insignificant-amount) of plat, in which case you would be brought back to Level 1.

Edge Cases: You guys know them all, it's how you get around zone restrictions in big events until we patch. Ghosting, leaving portals open, invite from other menus, etc.

Trade and stash, again not the intent but we're open to discussing otherwise.


What!!!! So if u died u loss all your gears?
And you need plats to repawn at lvl 1 again???
And u cant buy gears in shop?? Interesting hahaha im excited . Bring it on g!!
Anyway can we make some gold in this hardcore thing?? Cuz some of my friends hoping that this gonna be a new goldloot base hahahaha
Thnak you verry much ..


We're also talking about ways to make this economically advantageous to you once you get to Hardcore... any ideas?

[jade10]

Not the plan, can you make a compelling case otherwise?



That is correct, and no trade or leveling care packages, so you only have what you earn on the way up.



Perma-death/ equipment loss, you die, you lose your character and equipment. Unless you resurrect with (a not-insignificant-amount) of plat, in which case you would be brought back to Level 1.

Edge Cases: You guys know them all, it's how you get around zon restrictions in big events until we patch. Ghosting, leaving portals open, invite from other menus, etc.

Trade and stash, again not the intent but we're open to discussing otherwise.



We're also talking about ways to make this economically advantageous to you once you get to Hardcore... any ideas?

Well im thinking about looting those wildcard here but i guess im wrong hahahaha .
maybe good gears to loot cool items and egg.. or new arcane artifacts like AA lvl 60 craftable??


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[Perceval]

Not the plan, can you make a compelling case otherwise?



That is correct, and no trade or leveling care packages, so you only have what you earn on the way up. You eat what you kill.



Perma-death/ equipment loss, you die, you lose your character and equipment. Unless you resurrect with (a not-insignificant-amount) of plat, in which case you would be brought back to Level 1.

Edge Cases: You guys know them all, it's how you get around zone restrictions in big events until we patch. Ghosting, leaving portals open, invite from other menus, etc.

Trade and stash, again not the intent but we're open to discussing otherwise.



We're also talking about ways to make this economically advantageous to you once you get to Hardcore... any ideas?
If you can't trade anymore, it really seems like a dead end kind of thing. I think it would be wiser to level a alt character rather than your main character then...

[Avaree]

From cinco’s previous post I assume all gear is looted ?

Once we achieve a tier, and we die do we start back at lvl1 tier 1?

Do I sense a lil bit of FMJ here with PVE twist? How will team work and parties come into play? Sounds a bit solo.

Interesting indeed (:

Ava

[QuaseT]

-please no system announcements, i hate spam
-I dont like the idea of losing something
-Can only a new toons make the aps which are currently displayed at the achievemt page?
-make respawn expensive, but not plats only

[Marosok]

I strongly disagree with 1st and 2nd rule.

1st rule - Lose 5% of your xp at current lvl when die (sad rogues, sigh).
2nd rule - Ressurect for 5 ankh (but still xp lost from rule above).


Rewards are cool (coloured titles or names, that motivate)

I have some ideas about hardcore mode itself (about bosses/ xp usefulness).

[Zylx]

Not the plan, can you make a compelling case otherwise?

Well, if you cap out in hardcore mode, you're still in hardcore mode. You can't run normal maps with normal people, so essentially the toon lies dormant with a fancy title that is only good for sitting AFK in town. Because why would you continue running maps and risk losing it all? At least if people could switch to normal mode, albiet be forbidden to switch back to hardcore, they could essentially decide to make this toon their new main considering all the hard work they put into it.

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[Perceval]

Not the plan, can you make a compelling case otherwise?



That is correct, and no trade or leveling care packages, so you only have what you earn on the way up. You eat what you kill.



Perma-death/ equipment loss, you die, you lose your character and equipment. Unless you resurrect with (a not-insignificant-amount) of plat, in which case you would be brought back to Level 1.

Edge Cases: You guys know them all, it's how you get around zone restrictions in big events until we patch. Ghosting, leaving portals open, invite from other menus, etc.

Trade and stash, again not the intent but we're open to discussing otherwise.



We're also talking about ways to make this economically advantageous to you once you get to Hardcore... any ideas?

Economically advantageous... Sacrifice the ability to trade and stash to become ridiculously rich? I guess as long as we have access to the auction, its all good.

[Avaree]

Not the plan, can you make a compelling case otherwise?



That is correct, and no trade or leveling care packages, so you only have what you earn on the way up. You eat what you kill.



Perma-death/ equipment loss, you die, you lose your character and equipment. Unless you resurrect with (a not-insignificant-amount) of plat, in which case you would be brought back to Level 1.

Edge Cases: You guys know them all, it's how you get around zone restrictions in big events until we patch. Ghosting, leaving portals open, invite from other menus, etc.

Trade and stash, again not the intent but we're open to discussing otherwise.



We're also talking about ways to make this economically advantageous to you once you get to Hardcore... any ideas?

Loose my character? Lol (: any short videos we could see? And these hard core areas current maps? Or new dungeons?

[Zojak]

Love Love Love!!! Exactly how I thought it would be, any ETA on release for this? I'll have to plan some streams accordingly :D (also if you need a tester HMU!!)

[mhysaa]

That is correct, and no trade or leveling care packages, so you only have what you earn on the way up. You eat what you kill.



Perma-death/ equipment loss, you die, you lose your character and equipment. Unless you resurrect with (a not-insignificant-amount) of plat, in which case you would be brought back to Level 1.


"You only have what u earn"... plus your platinum to save you. The game is already too segregated because of the platinum..
Ik is the way to earn money, etc.. But maybe one way to people who can't buy it have a chance to resurrect too? Maybe some coins or tokens, that u can farm in the map.. if you don't want a trade system..

[Alfabeast]

Only will be able to resurrect by platinum? Then it will separate platinum players for normal players. '-' idk if that is nice.. Maybe some ankh system buying it by platinum but tradeable? So all players can have it.

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[Oakmaiden]

I can see how this might appeal to some ppl. However, i am knot one of them. For me , it’s a no.

[Perceval]

I agree, should not be plat based

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The way I see it...don't die then...non plat players have more to lose...seems logical.

[exkaan]

Wow Happy about New stuff :)

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[markonibg]

Can someone explain... what if I die on lvl 70 because op lag (bad ping). How many times I die in normal mode because bad ping.

[Mekkatorque]

oh i see how it goes like the greedy cave game but this is more hardcore because we lose level on this.

[Jhoncat]

Well the idea of hardcore is good.
But if someone die because of ping?
Also platinum can be used for buffs like elixirs, i think for revive will make a bunch of toxic players in this mode
About loss gear is kinda dangerous since when someone die he will complain alot here
Aply this mode of pvp in guilds could be interesting like a guild war who people can kill each other on maps instead of item drop a token that can be traded for chests and stuff and characters dead in war need wait a cooldown of 24h or something like that to enter in game.

[Slamdk]

No trade/no stash but yes to auc?
Otherwise don’t see why bother to make it economically advantageous, just to hit the cap on gold and make a screenshot?

Generally speaking don’t like the idea to split players. It’s okay to play on hardcore mode with others pg that are in the same mode at the time, but should be able to switch between two modes or we will just cut the number of players in AL and have like two games with half people each but the same game’s name.
Other choice would be to use two different pg and no one will ever be able to reach full aps anymore.

+1 to those suggesting that dying would mean significant cut in xp/levels or some lose in items but no all or nothing, also could add some wait time before resurrecting (i.e. can’t log in after death for 24h). some ppl would feel bored after lot of work to lose all and will leave the game at first death, plat can be used to resurrect without any lose or without waiting time. And without trade/stash there will already be a great amount of plat to use for other items like awakes and so on.

[Kairihearts]

I love this idea but all i ask for is at lvl 71 hardcore red title can it be dripping blood or something? Thanks justg awesome work

[Killerjam]

Losing your character for dying seems pretty harsh.... and ofc the only way to get it back is by resurrecting with plat e.e yay so fun....

[Jhoncat]

Plus if not have a class balance instead of hardcore will be a rogue survival mode.

[Yeh]

Like avaree asked, will this be in a new zone or map only? Or current ones ? There was hardly enough info in this post to warrant any feedback.. just questions and confusion

[Newcomx]

Happy Monday!

As some of you may know, we're working on a hardcore mode and we'd love your feedback.

Rules:

- Perma-death/ equipment loss in PvE and PvP
- Resurrect @ L1 for plat
- Hardcore cannot play with non-hardcore in PvE (we're going to need your help in tracking down all the edge cases here)
- No trade/ no stash
- No tier-up gift packs

Rewards:

- Tier Banners (L46, L66, L71)
- Tier Achievements
- Tier Titles
- Tier System Announcements
- Colored Name (on capped hardcore toon)

What do you think?

Thanks, and have a great week!

- gIf you add also more gold loot, this will be interesting to play.

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[jade10]

I think this new game play is for the hardcore players ..from the name it self “hardcore”
Stop complaining about why we cant trade why we cant buy items .
As long as the map drops good gear for u to being able to run the map wthout dying .
Prizes are cool tho .
But i want more prizes for a hard game mode like this colored name tittle banner are there pls add vanity a red one arcane theme wth aura
Weapon vanity and ofcourse we want to use this things in normal game. Even after we finish the hardcore mode.
And a buff purchasable by plats



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[Mekkatorque]

It's similar to The Greedy Cave dream world mode.

[murte]

No to plat revives thats all and also could we switch between hardcore and normal.

[Rauitri]

Guesses or questions:

- Achievement for Plat players. (Hardcore is a big commit, and it comes with a big price as my guess).

- kinda same concept of the hardcore mode in "MINECRAFT" (sorry for bringing that game here). But essentialy its legitamately dead and bye bye.

- Isolation, these Hardcore players (Rich), will be Isolated from us doing these Hardcore maps. Unless they can still see us in towns?

- Top APS players will think twice doing this ap.

- Equipment loss etc is confusing, please elaborate. But I understand it as you'll lose all gears in Invent upon purchasing Hardcore mode. Unless you transfer everything in another alt/account.

- How will they join events etc.

- Exclusive gear should have a chance to be farmed there, as they should atleast bring something back.

- once you're capped, will you be dismissed from hardcore mode? and be transferred back to normal with the rewards?

- I know its hardcore mode, but isn't it too much of a challenge? No gears nor xp kits at the start, facing enemies with the strengths of higher expansion or elites? Would take months in my guess.

- Will there be new quests that reward xp?

- There should be a farmable token that can be used to purchase perks in the vendor to help you? Or be a substitute when you die, instead of paying plat idk.




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[Midas]

How can i go in hardcore mode?

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[Yuggernaut]

JustG please, cant u make a system like "auto-feed" but for "auto-sell-items" please answer.

[jade10]

How can i go in hardcore mode?

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[Midas]

Ohhh sad
Unvailable atm


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[jade10]

Ohhh sad

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Yeah im so xcited hahaha.


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[Fyrce]

HARDCORE Mode, people = dying, stay dead, lose everything. Hardcore is not a requirement; it's a choice. If you do not want to lose things, just don't play hardcore.

I'm not sure what this losing character thing means. Does that mean you die, your toon is deleted? Because then you have toon snipes, no? (unless we are fast enough).

I would prefer on death, your toon shows up in your account as Dead (ghostly image?) and it's level and that it's a hardcore toon.

Maybe each NORMAL toon can have a button on inspection that says Hardcore Toons, showing levels of the hardcore toons in the account. It can just show the levels and pictures of the toon, no names if people want to be private.

Alternatively, there could be a Hardcore Hall of Fame that people can scroll through to see the top 1k hardcore toons, including dead ones. Option to just see live ones.

In your list of characters, if you can choose to resurrect a dead toon, in which case it would be resurrected as an L1 w/ no equips. Or do you mean that on death, it's a dead toon in your character list and you'd have to delete it or pay plat to restart w/o deletion? Oh! or does resurrection/ delete-restart mean there are no longer stats about the previous iteration of the toon, so no more record of its level when it died. Ah! So if we have a hardcore that made it high enough, we would probably just want to leave it, even as a ghost. Maybe pay plat to leave a ghostly image of it in Hall of Fame w/ a death date :) and level, maybe image w/ stats.

Just a bit confused about this plat resurrect thing. Plus people often like to see what level hardcores died at, especially if they're one of the higher level deaths.

[Fyrce]

Hardcore and normal players cannot mix because of the equipment differences. Normal players have an entire game rolling and farming equipment for them, i.e. the trade market. Hardcore players do not; everything they wear, they have to earn. Mixing would not work, unless it turns out that hardcore turns out to not be that limiting a mode for a toon's equips. I would think that it would be, but hey, it always amazes me how good some people are in hardcore mode.

They can stand around admiring each other haha.

[Dalmony]

This hardcore mode release has been clouded in my opinion because APs have already appeared in game for our non-hardcore toons. First thing people want is to gain the AP.... on their main... to add to their existing score.

The carrot has been dangled and many people are wondering/wishing... how to get those 400 achievement points on our main toon? Which is why people are asking about whether you could switch modes, or have a toggle, create a hardcore version of your main, and so on.

My opinion then:

1. Take the AP out of game until the mode is released.

2. Make each AP, when the mode is introduced, an account wide AP/title. This could be by way of a banner earned straight into account stash with each hardcore title so you can retrieve the title and show it off on your main.

OR

3. Don’t mix hardcore and non-hardcore APs. Let the different modes have different AP lists two.

My argument for #2 which is the option I’d prefer, is that is our main toon represents a whole bunch of AL history; it’s where we display our titles, where our stats rack up, the toon by which our friends know us and we show off our achievements. I don’t envisage hardcore mode as becoming the new normal mode... I’d make a hardcore character for the challenges but I’d like to be able to display on my main how far I’ve got and compare who has what hardcore title in my guild. And I’d like my progress AP in hardcore to count towards my overall achievement point score as a player.

[QuaseT]

Maybe remove the aps from the hardcore achievement, keep the title so old aps lb players dont need to risk all their stuff or create a new toon.
Make a new leaderboard for highest rank in hardcore or most aps earned.

[Thewolfbull]

Does everyone start at level 1 with no gear in hardcore mode or could I for example max out a character with max gear and 100mil gold and then enter hardcore and use that?

[Thewolfbull]

If it's gonna be perma death make it actually perma death, not you die and you can use plat to ressurect still lol! :p also i don't see how this is gonna work AL is very laggy most of the time so that's gonna make alot of people die. Not what i expected at all I was hoping for harder maps at endgame.

[Avaree]

This hardcore mode release has been clouded in my opinion because APs have already appeared in game for our non-hardcore toons. First thing people want is to gain the AP.... on their main... to add to their existing score.

The carrot has been dangled and many people are wondering/wishing... how to get those 400 achievement points on our main toon? Which is why people are asking about whether you could switch modes, or have a toggle, create a hardcore version of your main, and so on.

My opinion then:

1. Take the AP out of game until the mode is released.

2. Make each AP, when the mode is introduced, an account wide AP/title. This could be by way of a banner earned straight into account stash with each hardcore title so you can retrieve the title and show it off on your main.

OR

3. Don’t mix hardcore and non-hardcore APs. Let the different modes have different AP lists two.

My argument for #2 which is the option I’d prefer, is that is our main toon represents a whole bunch of AL history; it’s where we display our titles, where our stats rack up, the toon by which our friends know us and we show off our achievements. I don’t envisage hardcore mode as becoming the new normal mode... I’d make a hardcore character for the challenges but I’d like to be able to display on my main how far I’ve got and compare who has what hardcore title in my guild. And I’d like my progress AP in hardcore to count towards my overall achievement point score as a player.

Thank you for writing this Dal, I appreciate it. +10^

[Fyrce]

You can't use your maxed out toon using lots of other people to help you equip (trading, cs), using plat to help you equip, buying the properly awakened items, buying drops other people found, vs. those who leveled, are using just what they find.

That is also why you can't play together. Someone using equips a whole game's players participated in farming would just boost a hardcore toon, who would then be more powerful than those slogging it out using their own drops.

Resurrection seems to be making the toon alive at L1, naked, so I am guessing non-resurrection means you are a dead ghost. What prevents you from deleting and remaking, thus "resurrecting"? So I am not sure I am getting the plat resurrection thing, but it IS NOT reviving with your equips. It is equipless L1.


It occurs to me that SS might be interesting again. After all, whatever you drop that's good, you'd want to SS since it's lost (inaccessible) if you die.

[Thewolfbull]

Does everyone start at level 1 with no gear in hardcore mode or could I for example max out a character with max gear and 100mil gold and then enter hardcore and use that?

Btw i hope it's not like this i hope it starts with everyone having nothing and you build your way up from scratch :)

[Thewolfbull]

Maybe remove the aps from the hardcore achievement, keep the title so old aps lb players dont need to risk all their stuff or create a new toon.
Make a new leaderboard for highest rank in hardcore or most aps earned.

I think it will make lb even more competitive could be great if done right!

[Ravisher]

maybe you can show us how it's going to happen? in video form or anything to simply answer everyones questions. thanks ;)

[CHAOSSS]

Sounds like a healthy pve challenge to me.. possible a higher drop rate of arcane pets/myth pets from bosses on certain pve maps..would be nice to add to the challenge. Xp boost system similar to new festerfang mob kills XP boost..

[CHAOSSS]

1 plat ressurect won't give a even challenge to "all players" unless...tiny amount of plat only usable by the hardcore toon could be farmed either by hitting certain lvls or by certain boss encounters.. I'd just make it a free ressurect and start over .. at restart points.. example..lvl 10 restart point with the gear you had at that lvl up..every 10 levels..20-30-40-50-71 etc. Make lvl 60-71 be a real challenge..do a 21 level grind from 50-71.. for the colored name.. maybe a good banner and possibly a good heroic arcane pet. For lvl cap reward..
For each 10 levels you aquire between each restart point you get a certain good pet..
I know from my own personal pve experience pets can be the turn of the tide when grinding thru levels. Just a few idea I'll keep thinking on this hardcore mode

[Crocodile]

This is a good idea for those who is thinking of quitting but hard to do so. 1st step of quitting game.

[jade10]

Im dying to see a sneak peek heehehehe pls pls pls


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[Eggzavier]

I like the idea of losing all your progress once you die. It brings the excitement yet caution to stay alive and rely on team-work to complete quests and stuff.

A question though, would be if we so die in this hardcore mode, we cannot play it again? Because if you resurrect for 1 platinum, you go back to lv1 with nothing. For Free to play players like me, what happens if we cannot re spawn?

[Suentous PO]

Too many questions, are there going to be new maps or go this mode and have to start over in brakenridge?
Do you start as a lv 1 or choose this to go forward? Why would someone revive for plat rather than make a new one w same/similar name?

Also, my devices get disconnected randomly with my good connection so this doesn't look appealing, and yes I've done all the troubleshooting every guide has.
I'm not liking the idea plat only revs, and for the love of Pete, can we please have less system spam and not more, it honestly covers my playing view at critical times making for a bad gaming experience.

[Yeh]

Ok so I sorta like like the idea BUT I think it should be something you can do with your main character .. and come back to regular game mode when you like ? maybe like an alternate dimension you can Enter where you turn back to level 1 and start over there ?

[Yeh]

If we had to craft or buy like a chest or something with story tokens or whatever , it may stop people from hopping back and forth through dimensions too much. So if you open the chest and go to the dimension, you are there even if you log off the game and come back. But when you leave the dimension you will have to buy or craft another one of those chests . Or if it was just a portal always open in windamore I think that would be cool too ..

[GoodmorningSam]

This is a good idea for those who is thinking of quitting but hard to do so. 1st step of quitting game.

You have a point, I think this very easy if have o.p team, but in the contrary if not it would be called​ Suicide squad ^_^

[Crocodile]

Rules:

- Perma-death/ equipment loss in PvE and PvP - Permadeath is ok but equipment loss is ridiculous as you already planning for no trade/ no stash right? unless you made the droprate at 90% odd.

- Resurrect @ L1 for plat - This sounds like a bit too harsh for f2p game, I may suggest ankh to be useable but player have to craft it like jewels. Fair for those who spent and keep the game alive and also fair enough for those f2p player who keep the game fun to be played.

- Hardcore cannot play with non-hardcore in PvE (we're going to need your help in tracking down all the edge cases here) - Of course hardcore player will be isolated from non hardcore player..but kindly make everyone accessible to the same city, if no what is the point of having special title when you can't show it?

- No trade/ no stash - Totally agree with no trade feature. But please make use of the stash so we can store our gold and stuff. Just make it impossible to share gold and loot with other account.

- No tier-up gift packs - This is what hardcore meant to be!!
- Also please don't include awakening feature in hardcore mode, hardcore enough huh? Awakening already ruined the current game.

- New idea is please reinstate Kraken Mines like what it used to be. Player can loot good items from old chest and I believe pvp will be very active again.

- I think max capp is best at L41. U know how hard to grind up to L41 back then? People may get boring levelling to L71.

Rewards:

- Tier Banners (L46, L66, L71) - max LV41
- Tier Achievements - Good
- Tier Titles - Good
- Tier System Announcements - Good
- Colored Name (on capped hardcore toon) - Perfect!!

To be honest this hardcore mode would be fun!! Feel like the old days when level capped at 41. Best Ever!!

[PsychoNuke]

Make the APs and Title account wide, it will solve most of the issues with this plan.

[Thewolfbull]

Make the APs and Title account wide, it will solve most of the issues with this plan.

+1
Would be great

[Fearrr]

I want to start off to say I think it's great STS that you guys our thinking of new ideas to try for AL and also taking community feedback on how to build this mode. With that being said I'm a little disappointed about Hardcore Mode so far. I was really hoping it would be Endgame Lvl 71 Content, that we could play on our Main Accounts. There is nothing more I despise in this game then Lvling lol...so this whole idea is a automatic no for me. Hmm I guess in my head I was hoping more for a Call Of Duty Zombie Arena style type of combat:

The Lvls don't represent actually Lvling a character but a Wave that consist of Mobs, Mini-Boss(Or Multiple), and Main Boss(Or Multiple). The higher the Lvl the harder the Wave. Glint Set, Arc Armor, Endless Set, Tainted Set, and Mire Set Bonuses with Awakes work in this mode/map. Size of map could be NM Raid style. If you die you don't lose gear but get sent back to the first Wave. If at least one person in PT survives the Wave, the people who died get to respawn back to the next Wave. No plat respawn. Two of the same class max in a PT. Colored Titles, Banners and AP's included for reaching a certain Wave. Rewards after each Wave or if you reach a certain Wave Lvl is up to you guys.

I think a map/ mode like this would be really fun. Would have a lot of reply value. Would give the people who spent close to 100m on Mire Set (I don't own Mire Set my stats are beast enough without it) a harder Elite Map besides Deep Marsh. I hope STS you guys have something awesome planed for us Lvl 71 Endgamers as well or feel free to use this idea ;) .

[redeye15]

equipment loss only in hardcore mode right?

[Xxkayakxx]

Would it be possible to have a short gameplay video ? It’s a little hard for me to guess how it works just from the informations you gave us.
Thanks in advance :)
Meantime Let s see if I get it.
It’s basically pve mode, in Arlor map. We grind maps to collect experience to cap our level and to get gears. Once we die we loose both our character and equip. If it’s like this you have my +1 :)

[Spheresome]

I don't have the balls to try this new mode

[jade10]

I don't have the balls to try this new mode

Nah u can do it we need ur brain to find a way to make it ez [emoji13][emoji13][emoji13]


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[Vezdehod]

Hello, Diablo. Useles mode.

[Azerothraven]

I normally try to be constructive but I don't see any reason why I would go through all these concepts. I don't get why everyone is so excited about this.

Is hardcore mode a new server? who is eligible to run this mode? We have to be level 71 to processed to this or do we make a new character for this suicidal mission.

Let's assume, we make a new character and level it up from lvl 1 without access to our stash/inventory/gold/ and existing gear and running all the existing maps in hardcore (instead of elite and normal).

I assume it will require a lot of effort and for me personally, the rewards outlined above is simply not worth it considering I give up some major aspects of the game i love (merching). I dont say this to be mean but sts did remove player trades in PLA and it was not a successful game though this may have not been the only reason. Secondly, I dont like how I dont get any head start considerig I have been playing, farming and accumulating a lot of gold for many years now. We should be able to buy a premium set with inceased stats and look from a vendor using gold from other characters to have an advantage at the start considering we will die many times, it will reduce gold at normal al.

It is not a good idea to prevent players from interacting with each others such as running maps.
The gear loss is not a good idea and make a penalty for dying not insta reset. Not everyone can buy plat so make tradeable plat if u dont wanna make it ankh/gold.

[Xxkayakxx]

This
Is
HARDCOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORE
(Picture of me throwing Handsumlegend in a hole)
No salt, like ur previous post....

[Shubham]

There should be a point on the 3 caps 46 n the othet to wer i can actually save my game or the efforts i have done to reach first cap lvl 46 without dying n all .its a reward u can add for reaching 46 .
N gives some life's like 3 death or 4 death n we go lvl 1 coz we can die of anything ping,bad server ,low battery .so we should be able to save game if we have any of those n restart der wen we log again.
Rest i didnt understand toon permanent delete n other stuffs .if u can elaborate will be good tysm:)

[supersyan]

i can smell this hardcore plat from long distance. if you want hard core try elite underhaul maps with naked character

[Eidoln]

O.O hardcore.. interestd.. but need friend or team.. idnt want to die alone..

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[Zylx]

After reading some of these comments, I am really confused.

Is this a mode where you start from the very beginning of the game on a new character, playing through the regular game to reach cap with one life? Or is this a gamble your gear to play through a whole new game mode series of dungeons from one tier to the next?

[ramon78]

Remove the platinum of it, and this will be seen as a TRUE "Hard Core" mode. So it really seems like a (sorry the frankness) pay to win mode. To really be difficult, could not have any kind of help, and the same for all players.

[Greekrogue]

So if I die I will loose a gear..?

[Mel030]

Great concept but plat revive @ L1? So if we die only way to play again is to revive using plat? eh...f2p players would also like to enjoy this [emoji134] just sayin'

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[Thewolfbull]

I normally try to avoid salt and be constructive but I don't see any reason why I would go through all these ridiculous concepts. I don't get why everyone is so excited about this. This idea is simply stupid; I don't know how else to phrase this.


I guess it factors into how poorly this thread is explaining the hardcore mode and has no background information.

Is hardcore mode a new server? who is eligible to run this mode? We have to be level 71 to processed to this or do we make a new character for this suicidal mission.

Let's assume, we make a new character and level it up from lvl 1 without access to our stash/inventory/gold/ and existing gear and running all the existing maps in hardcore (instead of elite and normal).

I assume it will require a lot of effort and for me personally, the rewards outlined above is simply not worth it considering I give up some major aspects of the game i love (merching). I dont say this to be mean but sts did remove player trades in PLA and it was not a successful game though this may have not been the only reason. Secondly, I dont like how I dont get any head start considerig I have been playing, farming and accumulating a lot of gold for many years now. We should be able to buy a premium set with inceased stats and look from a vendor using gold from other characters to have an advantage at the start considering we will die many times, it will reduce gold at normal al.

It is not a good idea to prevent players from interacting with each others such as running maps.
The gear loss is not a good idea and make a penalty for dying not insta reset. Not everyone can buy plat so make tradeable plat if u dont wanna make it ankh/gold.

Yeah make a new account/character for it, that's what most will do

[Jiarijiba]

- Perma-death/ equipment loss in PvE and PvP
- Resurrect @ L1 for plat


I think it is an interresting idea to give us incentive to start again with a new toon. But with these conditions I would never do it.

You could only run PvE maps with people you really trust, since randoms could just leave you to die.
Why would anyone, say lvl 45, go to PvP. The risk of dropping back to lvl 1 is just too big.
etc.

[Raymondoomer]

Well, it just similar to diablo 2 leader mode

[Anehazaz]

Happy Monday!

As some of you may know, we're working on a hardcore mode and we'd love your feedback.

Rules:

- Perma-death/ equipment loss in PvE and PvP
- Resurrect @ L1 for plat
- Hardcore cannot play with non-hardcore in PvE (we're going to need your help in tracking down all the edge cases here)
- No trade/ no stash
- No tier-up gift packs

Rewards:

- Tier Banners (L46, L66, L71)
- Tier Achievements
- Tier Titles
- Tier System Announcements
- Colored Name (on capped hardcore toon)

What do you think?

Thanks, and have a great week!

- g

Be careful what you wish for...

[Marosok]

As some players mentioned it here, give us short gameplay preview with crucial parts of Hardcore, so we can give proper feedback. Good move could be pool, where we players can vote between more options for crucial parts ( example: How do you want to be resurrected? 1. xy, 2. yx, 3. xx, 4. yy). When everything is done, and you do not want make changes, while we do not even tried it, 1st option with short gameplay video would be cool.

[GoodmorningSam]

Question : Since this game started is there a gamer who reached​ level 71 without deaths?

Is it possible?

In related to hardcore game i think it takes time, months or even years of playing before someone luckily find a party and maybe 50/50 chances successfully finished the game.

Since we all know its hard to reached max level without deaths, cause of lag or disconnected from the server.

My idea is make it 2 lives at start, so if bad luck comes, there will be last life..

and a very rare loot 1up like super mario game haha that would be fun max 3 life only..

Hardcore but fun ;>

[Lolifee]

maybe add that teammates can revive you in 10 sec or so.

what about just adding hardcore maps like elite maps but extremely hard? add some mobs who diseable any weapon procs, let stuff drop in different zones like heroic eggs, arcanite egg crafting stuff, arcane weapon crafting ingredients and to still have plat involved add stuff to crates which are needed for crafting?

[eleasah]

This sounds for me like a new game in a game

And i hoped on really hard maps like planar tombs lv 41 where tactic and how too would be needed, teamplay and interesting things to loot.

This sounds for me more like suicid.

And i can smell the complain before hardcore is released,
Pple will complain loosing all, about only die cause nab team, high ping or someone went off.

For me, it seems no good idea release such mode in a game where many pple focus on gl and run maps solo.

Maybe iam a looser, but i never would run such a map with random. where pple maybe use useless pets or need go cause mom is shouting.

Hardcore is fine, but i wanted hard maps for my endmage. For better him, learn new tactics, make a good team and have fun.

Where is the need of a toon can only run hardcore? This toon never can help a new toon, is always in danger to loose all he have. I want no seperate class of pple which only run one mode.


I cant imagine why someone should take such a risk,


I would prefer hardcore like old days. As we need run boss over and over again to kill him. I imagine bloodhammer. And now i imagine hardcore. one dead and start again?????? sounds not like fun. More like stress and frustration.

Maybe no ankhs to revive like we had before they released. And really hard maps. No gold for farm, only really good items. And this items should only can use in hardcore. Iam against loose all and start always lv 1 again. Srry, i know iam not really helpfull.
But if it really come always start from begin, iam sure, i will never be a hardcore player

[Zhaorabeos]

everyone say "maybe"but the game still go in this way,bye..bye arcane legend from aloot of players!all its ok.but when die losse all things not sound to good.also separating..ppl .game became a gambling play

[Anehazaz]

This sounds for me like a new game in a game

And i hoped on really hard maps like planar tombs lv 41 where tactic and how too would be needed, teamplay and interesting things to loot.

This sounds for me more like suicid.

And i can smell the complain before hardcore is released,
Pple will complain loosing all, about only die cause nab team, high ping or someone went off.

For me, it seems no good idea release such mode in a game where many pple focus on gl and run maps solo.

Maybe iam a looser, but i never would run such a map with random. where pple maybe use useless pets or need go cause mom is shouting.

Hardcore is fine, but i wanted hard maps for my endmage. For better him, learn new tactics, make a good team and have fun.

Where is the need of a toon can only run hardcore? This toon never can help a new toon, is always in danger to loose all he have. I want no seperate class of pple which only run one mode.


I cant imagine why someone should take such a risk,


I would prefer hardcore like old days. As we need run boss over and over again to kill him. I imagine bloodhammer. And now i imagine hardcore. one dead and start again?????? sounds not like fun. More like stress and frustration.

Maybe no ankhs to revive like we had before they released. And really hard maps. No gold for farm, only really good items. And this items should only can use in hardcore. Iam against loose all and start always lv 1 again. Srry, i know iam not really helpfull.
But if it really come always start from begin, iam sure, i will never be a hardcore player

I think you are being very helpful, you have voiced your concerns and raised some valid points

[Spheresome]

Nah u can do it we need ur brain to find a way to make it ez [emoji13][emoji13][emoji13]


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What brain hehe :')

[Spheresome]

I was kinda hoping it was like a battle tower where you would reset to the first floor when u died but guess I'm completely wrong lol

[Jaunawab]

If you want to add hardcore mode, you should make global APs and stable for an account, not just for character.

[Avaree]

Happy Monday!

As some of you may know, we're working on a hardcore mode and we'd love your feedback.

Rules:

- Perma-death/ equipment loss in PvE and PvP
- Resurrect @ L1 for plat
- Hardcore cannot play with non-hardcore in PvE (we're going to need your help in tracking down all the edge cases here)
- No trade/ no stash
- No tier-up gift packs

Rewards:

- Tier Banners (L46, L66, L71)
- Tier Achievements
- Tier Titles
- Tier System Announcements
- Colored Name (on capped hardcore toon)

What do you think?

Thanks, and have a great week!

- g



From cinco’s previous post I assume all gear is looted ?

Once we achieve a tier, and we die do we start back at lvl1 tier 1?

Do I sense a lil bit of FMJ here with PVE twist? How will team work and parties come into play? Sounds a bit solo.

Interesting indeed (:

Ava

Loose my character? Lol (: any short videos we could see? And these hard core areas current maps? Or new dungeons?

I don't agree with the APs attacted to the hardcore mode, they should be removed.
Already too many long grinding APs to achieve.


For new players who are APs LB motivated, will be turned off at game.
Add a separate LB APs "Hardcore" to the LB.

Leave the colored titles

The Equipment obtained in the hardcore maps, is this equal gear, I assume no awakenings?
How about pvp can we build guild?

Thank you,
Avaree

[PsychoNuke]

Yeah make a new account/character for it, that's what most will do

I was thinking of same, then I realized that the quest for Hardcore Mode is going to unlock in Festerfang.
So we are looking at 1st leveling a toon to endgame then take the quest to reset it to level 1? (then die once, delete the char and start over xD)

[Avaree]

Happy Monday!

As some of you may know, we're working on a hardcore mode and we'd love your feedback.

Rules:

- Perma-death/ equipment loss in PvE and PvP
- Resurrect @ L1 for plat
- Hardcore cannot play with non-hardcore in PvE (we're going to need your help in tracking down all the edge cases here)
- No trade/ no stash
- No tier-up gift packs

Rewards:

- Tier Banners (L46, L66, L71)
- Tier Achievements
- Tier Titles
- Tier System Announcements
- Colored Name (on capped hardcore toon)

What do you think?

Thanks, and have a great week!

- g



From cinco’s previous post I assume all gear is looted ?

Once we achieve a tier, and we die do we start back at lvl1 tier 1?

Do I sense a lil bit of FMJ here with PVE twist? How will team work and parties come into play? Sounds a bit solo.

Interesting indeed (:

Ava

Loose my character? Lol (: any short videos we could see? And these hard core areas current maps? Or new dungeons?
I don't agree with the APs attacted to the hardcore mode, they should be removed.
Already too many long grinding APs to achieve.


For new players who are APs LB motivated, will be turned off at game.
Add a separate LB APs "Hardcore" to the LB.

Leave the colored titles

The Equipment obtained in the hardcore maps, is this equal gear, I assume no awakenings?
How about pvp can we build guild?

Ava

[Dalmony]

I was kinda hoping it was like a battle tower where you would reset to the first floor when u died but guess I'm completely wrong lolThis is better than the actual plan.

Like a sort of progressive arena.... Progress saved when u leave so you can choose re enter at your current floor but if die reset whole progress to floor 1. Then can do on main :)

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[PatD]

the way i see it is that it will probably be a kind of ghost/twin of our main character, when we go on map we will have regular, elite and hardcore, when you select hardcore it bring your character in a map at level 1 with no gear, then you grind and collect new gears and if u die u lose what u have earn there but your main character remain untouched (and u need pay plat to restart hardcore mode?)... do i understand right? or am i totally wrong? if so i really dont understand what is all about, because if we need create a new character, what is the point if our main character cannot have the reward??

[Froze.Exe]

Like sword art online concept..if ur character die..you will die also..haha
Same as sao you should add a very rare item that can resurrect player from dead....it would be nice to hunt this rare item just to revive ur fwnd or love one..hehe

[Guanek]

Im in

I have no friends

[Jeoraseo]

It sucks, it also takes the time away from finishing mid-high tier quests.

[Froze.Exe]

Like sword art online concept..if ur character die..you will die also..haha
Same as sao you should add a very rare item that can resurrect player from dead....it would be nice to hunt this rare item just to revive ur fwnd or love one..hehe

I dont mind if theres no trading system to avoid scam but please add auction system cuz auction is life...😊😊😊

[ajxn]

the hc mode and the normal will be unrelated right ? if not what if each time you die you lose a lvl (while in hardcore mode you should get atleast x4 the normal xp gain tho.)
what about especial bosses for the sake of lore. Reincarnated lord madron or inah hesh the last boss from nordr is cool too

[Perceval]

You know its hardcore when people complain XD

Honestly though, things to consider and explain for some who don't seem to understand:

Permadeath, equipment loss in PvP and PvE and resurrect at level 1 for plat explained-from-what-a-fellow-player-has-gathered
In PvE terms: This means if you die at any level while playing hardcore, you will LOSE ALL EQUIPMENT YOU HAVE GAINED DURING YOUR TIME PLAYING HARDCORE, for those that are still a little confused, YOU DO NOT ENTER HARDCORE MODE WITH YOUR CURRENT GEAR so you don't lose what your character literally has RIGHT NOW. When you die, your character is literally gone unless you resurrect it for platinum. You can resurrect your character at level 1 for a considerable amount of platinum WITHOUT THE GEAR YOU GAINED but resurrecting your character is the only way to get your character back.

In PvP terms: I don't even think someone with 1 brain cell would even try to enter PvP when there is so much to lose and no gain UNLESS there is a ridiculous amount of XP/awesome gear to be gained from hardcore PvP...then again, players would just dummy farm their way to hardcore 71.

Permadeath, equipment loss in PvP and PvE and resurrect at level 1 for plat suggestions
- I don't see any issues with the platinum cost to revive BUT there must be something to account for unexpected variables (disconnecting and ping spikes). Maybe if the system detects a ping spike, there can be a immunity period applied to your character until re-connection. If such a thing cannot be done, you could simply give all hardcore players around 5-ish free resurrects (this way, non-plat players would know when they are beat i.e. they would know when they can no longer continue hardcore mode without the need to say "oh its just pay to win". With this, its not like you aren't giving them a chance). You could also make it so players can resurrect each other for free within a few seconds. I buy platinum now and then and I will say its a lose-lose for both sides if resurrecting is platinum only because on one side you would need to spend platinum to resurrect for every unexpected variable and on the other side you can't even resurrect (that's why I think the idea to allow party members to be able to resurrect each other within a few seconds would be fair-play to all).

- Equipment loss upon death should be applied if you decide to let party members resurrect each other.

Hardcore cannot play with non hardcore in PvE, no trade, no stash suggestions
Because of these literal dead end handicaps applied by playing hardcore, I would like to say the hardcore rewards should be transferable to another character on the same account (coloured titles should be chests that can only be opened on one chosen character).

Tier rewards suggestions
All rewards are really nice but maybe vanities can also be added? Can rogues get an arcane circle aura vanity for the first time ever lol? Also, please don't make system announcements...no body will logically play with their main character if the handicaps are put in place...we will be seeing "SYSTEM: sgjsgsdksdfjk has achieved tier 71".



Lastly, There should really be a way to return to non-hardcore mode once you feel you can no longer continue (after resurrecting of course) or when you achieve hardcore 71.

[Rauitri]

My speculations:

- A quest has to be finished (you can see this quest currently), that will access you the choice to go Hardmode.

- X amount of plat is required for you to make a Hardmode toon. With numerous cautions. General rules, and guidelines should be added as a notification before starting.

About the Hardcore toon:

- I imagine it as 2 seperate toons, the Normal toon where all progress is saved, nothing touched. And the Hardcore toon with its vast limitations.

- There will be a 4rd campaign map (Hardcore), such that in the World maps we'll see (Normal, Elite, Pvp and Hardcore maps). The Hardcore campaign map will consist of numerous maps where you'll start your journey, just like the Normal maps, it will start of easy at first, and progressively harder the more levels, and maps you unlock.

- You could only loadout your Hardcore toon in this Hardcore campaign map, it will default spawn the appropiate toons. Example: you went to Braken, then it loads your Normal toon, you went to a map in the Hardcore section, then it loads your Hardcore toon. It does this in default. So no, you cannot loadout your Normal toon in the Hardcore campaign vice versa.

- About the perma-death/ Equipment loss. No, your main toon wouldn't be affected, but rather your hardmode toon. Example: You died at lv10, then all your progress from the Hardcore toon will be liquidated.

By the term perma-death, it should mean your chance is gone as you're dead, no resurrection afterwards, and thats where this Plat revive option is used. You could have another chance to start from level 1, but with another plat purchase.

- There will be no Auction, stash nor trading in this mode, it makes it even harder.

- Lets say you manage to cap in Hardcore mode, then the APs and rewards will be registered on your Normal toon.

- Only way to gain Xp is by killing enemies, no awakes, kits nor Dailies helping you out. Or 2x Hardcore Xp event.

- Only thing you could bring with you are your vanities, pets and friends.

Generalization:

- The concept is old, such that if you die, you restart. Minecraft for example has this mode just saying.

- The first try of Hardcore Mode should be free, such that all players has a chance, if players die, and would like to do succeeding attempts, then a new Token is used for the exchange, not Plat.

- This new token can be farmed/crafted in both Normal/Hardcore mode perhaps in some quests. Reason for this Token is to prevent people from over trying and making it easier then expected. A level requirement is placed high, such that people wouldn't abuse making new toons to get the 1st Attempt free. I know STS is smart, and would make an option to purchase these tokens for plat in store.

- I believe we should need some extent of socialization in this Hardcore mode, by enabling trading for gears, just incase you looted something not your class.

Ty.


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[Rauitri]

You know its hardcore when people complain XD

Honestly though, things to consider and explain for some who don't seem to understand:

Permadeath, equipment loss in PvP and PvE and resurrect at level 1 for plat explained-from-what-a-fellow-player-has-gathered
In PvE terms: This means if you die at any level while playing hardcore, you will LOSE ALL EQUIPMENT YOU HAVE GAINED DURING YOUR TIME PLAYING HARDCORE, for those that are still a little confused, YOU DO NOT ENTER HARDCORE MODE WITH YOUR CURRENT GEAR so you don't lose what your character literally has RIGHT NOW. When you die, your character is literally gone unless you resurrect it for platinum. You can resurrect your character at level 1 for a considerable amount of platinum WITHOUT THE GEAR YOU GAINED but resurrecting your character is the only way to get your character back.

In PvP terms: I don't even think someone with 1 brain cell would even try to enter PvP when there is so much to lose and no gain UNLESS there is a ridiculous amount of XP/awesome gear to be gained from hardcore PvP...then again, players would just dummy farm their way to hardcore 71.

Permadeath, equipment loss in PvP and PvE and resurrect at level 1 for plat suggestions
- I don't see any issues with the platinum cost to revive BUT there must be something to account for unexpected variables (disconnecting and ping spikes). Maybe if the system detects a ping spike, there can be a immunity period applied to your character until re-connection. If such a thing cannot be done, you could simply give all hardcore players around 5-ish free resurrects (this way, non-plat players would know when they are beat i.e. they would know when they can no longer continue hardcore mode without the need to say "oh its just pay to win". With this, its not like you aren't giving them a chance). You could also make it so players can resurrect each other for free within a few seconds. I buy platinum now and then and I will say its a lose-lose for both sides if resurrecting is platinum only because on one side you would need to spend platinum to resurrect for every unexpected variable and on the other side you can't even resurrect (that's why I think the idea to allow party members to be able to resurrect each other within a few seconds would be fair-play to all).

- Equipment loss upon death should be applied if you decide to let party members resurrect each other.

Hardcore cannot play with non hardcore in PvE, no trade, no stash suggestions
Because of these literal dead end handicaps applied by playing hardcore, I would like to say the hardcore rewards should be transferable to another character on the same account (coloured titles should be chests that can only be opened on one chosen character).

Tier rewards suggestions
All rewards are really nice but maybe vanities can also be added? Can rogues get an arcane circle aura vanity for the first time ever lol? Also, please don't make system announcements...no body will logically play with their main character if the handicaps are put in place...we will be seeing "SYSTEM: sgjsgsdksdfjk has achieved tier 71".



Lastly, There should really be a way to return to non-hardcore mode once you feel you can no longer continue (after resurrecting of course) or when you achieve hardcore 71.

Perhaps I've answered some of the possible genralization questions of yours? In my speculations at post #101.

Such that yes, you could switch from Normal to Hardcore vice versa.

My theory is a 4th campaign map (Hardcore). Such that we'll see (Normal, Elite, Pvp and Hardcore maps) in the World maps. Your Hardcore toon will only load in this campaign, and cannot be accesed by your Normal toon, and vice versa. It does this in default.

And for the rest of your speculations, yes, we seemed to have the same thoughts or theories about it.

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[BroknHeart/Nephop]

I would like to suggest something for this mode:-

1)If a player enters a hardcore mode then the player should be able to run non-hardcore mode too.But for this the players should die in hardcore mode and then the player will come back to non-hardcore mode.
2)If the player is dead in hardcore mode then the player would need platinum to resurrect to run hardcore mode again.But if the player does not have platinum then the player will be resurrect after few days lets say after 5 days.And if the player want to run and does not have platinum and want to run before 5 days then the player need to craft special revive potion which can be introduced by STS.The ingredient for the special revive can be farmed in both modes.The ingredient and potion should be non-tradable and non-stashable.
3)The lvling should be based on xp and when the player enters the hardcore mode then there lvl will be lvl 1 but there lvls at non-hardcore mode should be same.Lvling from lvl 1-lvl 10 should not be that much hard and after that the difficulty can be raised.And if anyone dies in hardcore mode then one should not be deleted permanently but they should not be able to run the mode for certain days.If u die at any level and while reviving again one will lose some percentage of lvls instead of reseting to lvl 1.Lets say if u die at lvl 50 and then u will lose 25% of lvl i.e u will lose 12 lvls.
4)The players have to farm weapons and with that weapons the players should farm xp to reach lvl 70.If anyone dies in hardcore mode then the player would lose all gear so that when he resurrect in non-hardcore mode he wont be able to use those stuffs.But after entering the hardcore mode again the player will be given a chest and while opening he will get common version of gears for his lvl.Lets say if he is lvl 10 then he will get lvl 10 common gears and with that gear he have to farm good gear in hardcore mode again.
5)Stash and auction house should not be available in this mode.But the title and banner obtained in this mode will be directly open and given to the player and the player can show the title and banner in non-hardcore modes too.
6)After one reach lvl 70 then the player will be able to use stash and can stash some gears and stuffs in hardcore mode but if he dies at lvl 70 then he lose lvl and he wont be able to use stash again.

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[Fearrr]

I want to start off to say I think it's great STS that you guys our thinking of new ideas to try for AL and also taking community feedback on how to build this mode. With that being said I'm a little disappointed about Hardcore Mode so far. I was really hoping it would be Endgame Lvl 71 Content that we could play on our Main Accounts. There is nothing more I despise in this game then Lvling lol...so this whole idea is a automatic no for me. Hmm I guess in my head I was hoping more for a Call Of Duty Zombie Arena style type of combat:

The Lvls don't represent actually Lvling a character but a Wave that consist of Mobs, Mini-Boss(Or Multiple), and Main Boss(Or Multiple). The higher the Lvl the harder the Wave. Glint Set, Arc Armor, Endless Set, Tainted Set, and Mire Set Bonuses with Awakes work in this mode/map. Size of map could be NM Raid style. If you die you don't lose gear but get sent back to the first Wave. If at least one person in PT survives the Wave, the people who died get to respawn back to the next Wave. No plat respawn. Two of the same class max in a PT. Colored Titles, Banners and AP's included for reaching a certain Wave. Rewards after each Wave or if you reach a certain Wave Lvl is up to you guys.

I think a map/ mode like this would be really fun. Would have a replay value. Would give the people who spent close to 100m on Mire Set (I don't own Mire Set) a harder Elite Map besides Deep Marsh. I hope STS you guys have something awesome planed for us Lvl 71 Endgamers as well or feel free use this idea ;).

[Perceval]

(*EDIT) In PvP terms: I don't even think someone with 1 brain cell would even try to enter PvP when there is so much to lose and no gain UNLESS there is a ridiculous amount of XP/awesome gear to be gained from hardcore PvP. I don't think there is really a way to dummy farm this since dying resets you to level 1...level brackets and all.

[Gaprisha]

Besides the entire gameplay of within the hardcore mode, the idea of having to have a seprate toon altogether apart from our main doesnt sit well with me either. Dalmony has already given us a proper reason as to why (also heya Dal, long time no see :p).

I like the idea of having the hardcore mode similar to how we enter the elite mode tho or dreamscape fo that matter. So my suggestions are based on this.
To enter to hardcore mode,have us craft a portal at first (from existing materials) which we can keep in our houses ( also allow us to design it please :3). So when we enter, we are still are main character selves except since its a differnt mode or an alternate universe so to speak, we start everything from scratch which includes lvls and what not and only rewards are shared. I dont mind the fact that you enter without any gears and loose if you die because thats how I'd expect it to be being all hardcore and all.

The first ever entry would be free and if you die, its either rip or use plats to revive as intended. This part I dont mind but if we die, we should be pushed back into our normal mode if we don't have the means to revive. But if plats are used to revive, have a plat increment after every death like a fibonacci sequence or power of 2 sequence or some other. My reason being its hardcore on plats too :p ( a silly idea I know >_< )

Since it's a hardcore mode, it makes sense to me to make it plat revive but it would benefit alot if we could farm for some certain kind of tokens in normal mode which are equally hard to obtain, to be used instead of plats to revive. More so, so that f2p isnt left out.And for the sake of our f2p peeps, I suggest making everyday, one free entry the same as dreamscape, or make every third day a single free entry, or have two seperate days in the week where everyone gets one free entry. But the second entry from portal whould cost plats including non designated days if at all.

[tahtto007]

Wait i dont get it whats the point of resurrection with plats (even without plats) when you'll lose everything when you die? When you die u can just delete the char and remake one whats the points of resurrect it lol tbh. Or ressurection we get to keep the item obtain but level back to 1 if so it contradict with one of the rules gear loss. Do you guys understand whats the point of hardcore mode its for pure loves among player and the game but not a tunnel to win the game with pay to win. Player plays hardcore mode to get out of pay to win mechanic and enjoy the game fron scratch yet you guys trying to introduce it back to the players.

[Xxkayakxx]

Hope G will give us more details XD
With informations we have it’s just speculation......
Could also be that this hardcore mode would be similar to Full Metal Jackpot, where Pvp make a lot of sense....
Still with big hype about this mode xD
We need SPOILEEEEERZZZ

[tahtto007]

Trying adding practice mode for each map so that player can see whether they will manage to complete the map without dying or not without risking their hardcore status. And of course practice mode should not cost plat . Also all the pots used in practice mode will be consumed and no reward or gold drop at all since you guys like 0 gold drop implementation so much this is the price for it.( mechanic taken from runescape for practice mode in boss instance food/gear degrade in practice mode will not be refunded)

[tahtto007]

Wait devs hardcore mode is a new difficulty level like normal, elite or a new character status. If character status please say hardcore character instead of hardcore mode. From some prev comments some think its a difficulty level or is my understanding wrong.

[Justg]

Wait devs hardcore mode is a new difficulty level like normal, elite or a new character status. If character status please say hardcore character instead of hardcore mode. From some prev comments some think its a difficulty level or is my understanding wrong.

Hardcore CHARACTER, sorry about the confusion!

Current plan is you start at Level 1. No trade/ auction/ stash. No tier care packages.

If you die you are done. If you plat revive you are back at level 1 (with gear).

Lots of great questions and feedback in this thread, we're still collecting and collating, keep it up!

[mhysaa]

Maybe it could be one alternative world, like Arlor destroyed, another dimension that you can swap on the map, like elite, but than you join there lvl 1 , and without nothing. To back to real world could be paying something, gold, platinum or some kind of tokens. Would be meh get all this new aps, or title and don't show to all your friends that are in the normal mode. Because mostly of the ppl like to show off their achievements.

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[Infectivity]

Hardcore CHARACTER, sorry about the confusion!

Current plan is you start at Level 1. No trade/ auction/ stash. No tier care packages.

If you die you are done. If you plat revive you are back at level 1 (with gear).

Lots of great questions and feedback in this thread, we're still collecting and collating, keep it up!

How do we get the achievements on our main characters if we have to make a new character? If the APs aren't account wide, I don't see hardcore mode being that popular.

[PsychoNuke]

Hardcore CHARACTER, sorry about the confusion!

Current plan is you start at Level 1. No trade/ auction/ stash. No tier care packages.

If you die you are done. If you plat revive you are back at level 1 (with gear).

Lots of great questions and feedback in this thread, we're still collecting and collating, keep it up!

I am so confused, if I understand this right: players will have to be level 71 to get the quest from Festerfang. right? Then once you take the quest the character level will reset to level 1? What will happen to the level 71 equipment and items?

[Alfabeast]

How do we get the achievements on our main characters if we have to make a new character? If the APs aren't account wide, I don't see hardcore mode being that popular.I agree , I'd like to get the aps on my mains,

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[ancestor]

My opinion: only be able to stash gold.
Also when you hit cap make everything stashable as a reward and reward a cool tradable vanity for the hard work. That way we didnt spend hours apon hours to get a gold title haha.
Make egg drops and equipment drop in more maps that drop mythic and arcane (very rare drops for myth and arcane) and eventully make it stackable at cap as a reward.
Who ever drops the arcane items with be very lucky haha

[Mel030]

U can revive for free but without gear and with plats u get back ur gear?

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[Obooo]

Nice new start! Ty sts. Besides considering 100% absolute death penalty of lose all gears, exp and level, there could be milder approaches, too, such as drop a gear by low chance, drop % or fixed small aamount of gold or exp, reduce stats for limited time... These are all possible and adjustable plots we can try until an acceptable balanced is reached as well as proper randomness is maintained for surprises. Ty again.

[Sometacoz]

Happy Monday!

As some of you may know, we're working on a hardcore mode and we'd love your feedback.

Rules:

- Perma-death/ equipment loss in PvE and PvP
- Resurrect @ L1 for plat
- Hardcore cannot play with non-hardcore in PvE (we're going to need your help in tracking down all the edge cases here)
- No trade/ no stash
- No tier-up gift packs

Rewards:

- Tier Banners (L46, L66, L71)
- Tier Achievements
- Tier Titles
- Tier System Announcements
- Colored Name (on capped hardcore toon)

What do you think?

Thanks, and have a great week!

- g
So ...
I lose all my items...
I need lots of plat to revive...
I m stuck in hardcore mode...
I need to lvlup again...
I can't stash...
I can imagine myself quitting Al after dying cuz I don't have any plans...
Way to go ..
I am not taking such a risk..
This is not hardcore....this is suicide and only accessible to heavy plat buyers...
So.... No new content for me...
Ok nvm

[Sometacoz]

when i don't have enough plats*
sorry but i don't see any perks atm for players like me who are kids and can't put in too much money in a game.

[BigRandal]

For hardcore mode you should add new vendors and maybe new tokens/new currency (silver) and use the tokens for specific pets or maybe armors, just so it wont be 100% Rng for drops and u can grind for the items u want, or add new chests for legendary gears/pets or even add new maps and add more pets to drop tables, just my opinion though.

[BigRandal]

Or even add more craftable gear like for for certain lvls just stuff to grind towards so it's not all random for gear

[Itupastolab]

Hardcore mode?
Is this new map difficulty?
Why lose gears after death? Go back to level 1 is enough I guess
No auction no stash no trade? This is OK if we can loot any types of gears/eggs from this new area ( legendary/mythic/arcane )
Platinum to revive? That's kinda one-sided, I suggest you give use limited times to resurrect. Gold revive should be better but no stash.


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[Slamdk]

So it’s hardcore character... then if there’s plat to revive it obviously means we can’t delete our character once died to recreate it. But can we create more characters in hardcore mode or is it bound to one hardcore pg per account?

[Sliceshee]

Guess we won't be seeing many rogues lol

[tahtto007]

So devs we are paying to revive right? so in my opinion you guys could add arcane eggs, hero egg and arcane weapons be able to drop or add them as achievement reward when completed on hardcore char since its totally bound to your char for those items. why drop these? since all our items are gone once die i think no one will invest or open lock with these chars so make these items dropable isnt that bad imo . At least this can attract players' interest. But make sure there is no bug in coding it could be really bad if normal player can get it just like hardcore char when farming on normal maps. Also make awakens on weps for hardcore char reroll with the use of gold.
Keep for future content.
(make a reboot server like maplestory where the in game currency literally can be farmed and buy all cash item/items with in game currency but this 100% wont give any profit to sts. Hmmm maybe add monthly membership fee to be able to play this server?)

[noahgoulin]

So ...
I lose all my items...
I need lots of plat to revive...
I m stuck in hardcore mode...
I need to lvlup again...
I can't stash...
I can imagine myself quitting Al after dying cuz I don't have any plans...
Way to go ..
I am not taking such a risk..
This is not hardcore....this is suicide and only accessible to heavy plat buyers...
So.... No new content for me...
Ok nvm

Its on a new character, u don't lose ur main character non-hardcore stuff , if u die u just waste the little time u played on ur NEW hardcore character.

[Kakashis]

So pretty much start from scratch in hardcore mode where the risk is high, rewards are titles, and everything is untradable. I don't mind trying it if the redzones don't one hit even when you've stepped out of them. The system isn't too drastically different from what we're used to when AL first started. I guess overtime the average farmer has stopped using plat to revive because of ankh accumulation and its time to get back into putting quarters into the machine! Whatever keeps the game alive!

[Illegaly]

Let's try it with reviving (after death) for (there is an example) 100k or more. It'll be a good gold sink and those non-plat players will be able to participate in the new hardcore mode for more times than only once. The other thing, don't make it a gold loot based zone or, if it's necessary, gold can be earned there, but can't have link or concatenation with the whole ARLOR gold amount. If you know what I want to say by this. Cheers!

[Illegaly]

Let's try it with reviving (after death) for (there is an example) 100k or more. It'll be a good gold sink and those non-plat players will be able to participate in the new hardcore mode for more times than only once. The other thing, don't make it a gold loot based zone or, if it's necessary, gold can be earned there, but can't have link or concatenation with the whole ARLOR gold amount. If you know what I want to say by this. Cheers!

Ofc by reviving for 100k I mean taking ARLOR gold (for a gold sink) ;)

[Itupastolab]

Dev said can't use stash/auction/trade. If they'll allow us to use gold that will be great XD

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[PostNoob]

I suggest either Consignment shop(just 1 spot, keep it controlled) or stash if there can be multiple Hc characters. Otherwise looting something not for your class will be frustrating and worthless. 5 stash spots.

If gold at some point isnt the objective or there is isnt some sort of trade, the drive to keep playing and such wont be as high. Dont get me wrong, i can enjoy the zero trade thing, it does get a little iffy though when u think about opening locks and such( basically making 2/3 of most loot useless in crates doesnt seem like a draw to open them). Especially if you were to loot a useless item to your class, given there is no trade or stash.

I would say if equip drops the same as Sc, than u need one or the other to balance it.

[marzeg]

I strongly disagree with 1st and 2nd rule.

1st rule - Lose 5% of your xp at current lvl when die (sad rogues, sigh).
2nd rule - Ressurect for 5 ankh (but still xp lost from rule above).


Rewards are cool (coloured titles or names, that motivate)

I have some ideas about hardcore mode itself (about bosses/ xp usefulness).

Agreed. If I played a game for years, and farmed items for years to get where I am at just to be able to lose it all in a matter of seconds. Unless the reward is one HE'LL of a reward. It's a risk not worth taking.

[marzeg]

This may be a little on the off side, but considering this hardcore mode runs like typical maps.
Why not place a set time limit required to complete the map in order to receive rewards or said achievements.
Instead of having fixated death penalties why not randomize it? and have the penalties apply to every member currently running the map.
These penalties can be like debuffs to make completing the map in time more difficult.
For example.
Player A dies. All players currently in the session/map get a -%damage/-%XP/etc debuffs?

[Browdy666]

How about instead of 1 plat per death people will able to watch one video 30sec per death from your partners? Or any video from them(games, apps etc)

[Pool]

So a character that cant trade? I dont see any point in that. ppl are farming all time to BUY certain gears and vanitys
if trading is off in hm then what is the goal?? U get lv71 and theres nothing more u can do... or maybe staying in towns all day to show off a colored name?
I dont see any fun in this unless ALL vanity and gears be dropable in hardcore mode. That would worth something to play

[arcanefid]

I'm fine with anything as long as we can transfer those APs, Banners and Titles to our main character.

I would suggest that Hardcore Characters that reach Level 71 should enter some sort of Hall of Fame, where our main toon's name is written, and we get all the stuff transferred to our main. Stuff as in gold, items, titles, banners, and the APs. That way we can show off what we've achieved. After that happens the Hardcore Character is deleted, or whatever, as I don't see the point of playing it after max level is reached.

You could take this one step further and make APs for all the three classes. My idea is like having "Hardcore Mage Lv71", "Hardcore Rogue Lv71", and "Hardcore Warrior Lv71". So basically we could be a super omega pro AL Players and show all of those titles off in our main character. :3

[Kuwaabs]

All I can I don’t like this idea

[Fyrce]

Gold inflation - Hardcore toon solves this.
Gear inflation - Hardcore toon solves this.
Pet inflation - Hardcore toon solves this.

But ah, people actually liked all of the above 'problems' AND complaining about them. Got it. Don't worry. Hardcore toon is a choice. No need to play one. The world is as it was and nothing will change.

[Arkiouj]

Perma-death in a game like AL where most of the playerbase have ping issues is a recipe for disaster imo and pvp is toxic enough, imagine some guy has ping issues, gets ganged, losses all his gear.. GD would be spammed with thread upon thread of complaints

I'd rather see a 'hardmode' for every map in the game, scaled to cap level, upon entering these maps with a party, you get a list of options like:

No pots run - pots are totally disabled, forcing players to use CC, a warrior would always be needed for aggro, mages for aoe/cc and rogues to nuke the bosses fast. you could also add layers on this like: complete the map in 3mins50sec + pots disabled = better reward. complete the map in 3mins50sec + pots disabled + no death run = amazing reward for everyone in that group. this way all classes are useful and people would actually have to use tactics and strategy without running past everything with a speed set.

part of my idea comes from WoW and mythic+ system which has weekly affixes for each endgame dungeon, for AL it could be like:

when each mob reaches 15% hp, enrages increasing that mobs dmg by 50% -> people would need to target specific mobs first
Bosses enrage after x amount of time -> Rogues will be needed to tunnel the boss, mages take care of the aoe while warrior keeps taunt

just a thought from someone passing by, i haven't played AL in months but something like this would keep everyone busy

[Crocodile]

I hope my credit card can stand this so called hardcore mode.

[Daggee]

Im not sure if this has be brought up but,
A perma death sounds a litttle too hardcore. Lost of equipment sounds fine tho.
I think a slightly more fair and motivating gamestyle would be to have temporary deaths on ban? I was thinking maybe a 1 week ban after dying. When you relog, you lose ur equipments.

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[MightySufyan]

Question:
These characters that you're saying will be deleted permanently will they be the character we are using right now or will this be a separate thing? I.e. we will have a 2nd char play with it, try to get as high lvl as we can, hope to get good equipment as we are fighting and if we die its game over like a battle royal? O.o

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[PsychoNuke]

Question:
These characters that you're saying will be deleted permanently will they be the character we are using right now or will this be a separate thing? I.e. we will have a 2nd char play with it, try to get as high lvl as we can, hope to get good equipment as we are fighting and if we die its game over like a battle royal? O.o

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This idea is more like the DiabloII Ladders.
What is the Ladder concept? Google it :p

[Zhaorabeos]

any halloween event preview?xd

[MightySufyan]

That helped explain a lot of things thx for the info :)
This idea is more like the DiabloII Ladders.
What is the Ladder concept? Google it :p

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[Sabbido]

Losing all gear and starting from scratch is kinda insane, imagine running maus, 0 deaths and no good pet etc and I curse mistake and gg back to start all over again. I find it impossible. Can it be something about gear that would reset to low level or gear drops and you can go back and pick it up or limited amount of deaths before reset.

[Sabbido]

Another idea would be if it is a sub level, you can enter a specific map that has mobs according to the highest person sub level, if you die you lose 10 levels. The mobs start easy to kill with ok gear and the higher the level the harder and getting the sub level to high level would be super hard that requires high skills and gear.

[Greekrogue]

I really want to know if we will have an option maybe in the game if we want to turn in to hardcore or stay to normal as we are right now..

[swoutttt]

I really like this hardcore idea! Brings new life into this game. Would be great if we could get unique gears and pets in this hardcore mode only. Hope eventually the hardcore chars can join the normal game after some time, and bring all the goodies u collected. This way we get some more diversity ingame and make sure that everyone will run this hardcore mode.

[championboost]

1. Why should we play the hardcore mode
2. What if u die because ping dc

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[matiusjohn]

My idea about this mode is, when you dead at specific lvl, your xp will be reset to 0 of your lvl xp. It's not going back to lvl 1, but at 0 xp of each lvl.

Or

You can add a safe point system, like once you reach lvl 5,10,15 etc you get ur record save, so when u dead u r not reset at all.

..

For loosing what you get throughout ur journey, I disagree. Because it'll make people frustrated instead of challenging.

No trade, no auc, etc I agree with this

For guild, I hope we can still communicate between hardcore and non hard player.

And yeah, I think hardcore mode can brings the pvp mode life again because people gear are stable, not so op bcoz of awakening things (not bcoz I dnt want waste much, oh really)

Really excited for next sneak peak.
Thanks

Topsorc

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[Greekrogue]

Best for me is to make an other server on the game..name it hardcore and any one that wants to play it go and play it..

[Bundlos]

I am still confused regarding the information that has been shared.
If the toon you are using is really going to lose it all, won't it be better to have hardcore maps in a similar fashion the way we access the elite maps, only that in these hardcore maps all the rules mentioned above will be applicable. But you can switch to normal mode whenever you want to and continue with your toon's normal version like usual. In the hardcore mode the toon will survive on what they earn along the way and survive. Just my thoughts on this.

And regarding using plat to revive, I would like it if there is some other alternative like some new tokens dropped in hardcore maps to revive, not everybody can invest in platinum

[Squire Neia]

interesting im assuming this will be a completely separate area where we still have our main account but a new one starting at level 1?

[Heyiamsohappy]

Happy Monday!

As some of you may know, we're working on a hardcore mode and we'd love your feedback.

Rules:

- Perma-death/ equipment loss in PvE and PvP
- Resurrect @ L1 for plat
- Hardcore cannot play with non-hardcore in PvE (we're going to need your help in tracking down all the edge cases here)
- No trade/ no stash
- No tier-up gift packs

Rewards:

- Tier Banners (L46, L66, L71)
- Tier Achievements
- Tier Titles
- Tier System Announcements
- Colored Name (on capped hardcore toon)

What do you think?

Thanks, and have a great week!

- g hello does this mean we have spawn with no gear and have to get to lvl 71 with looting gear in hardcore mode and still keep our gear in the normal mode?

[Azerothraven]

Okay so after reconsideration and Justg telling a bit more this sounds like it will be a challenge and I am keeping though I wish we could get a bit of a headstart somehow.

[scarysmerf]

Is this some kind of April fool's joke? If this is for real I won't be participating in hardcore mode. I like my gear and pets too much to rush losing them forever I definitely will not revive for platinum platinum is the only way I make money on Arcane legends so no hardcore mode just isn't my style.

[arcanefid]

Okay so after reconsideration and Justg telling a bit more this sounds like it will be a challenge and I am keeping though I wish we could get a bit of a headstart somehow.

What's the point of a headstart when the whole idea is to make it hardcore?

Any sort of extra buff or help, even the platinum revives should not be included in such stuff.

[Azerothraven]

What's the point of a headstart when the whole idea is to make it hardcore?

Any sort of extra buff or help, even the platinum revives should not be included in such stuff.

It's just sts acknowledging the current players who worked hard many years and sorta gets an option to buy a bit more but it does not mean you have to use it ofc so u can chose not to


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[Mezderak]

wow pure insanity it says **HARDCORE** a very steep consequence

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[Happilyanonymous]

Happy Monday!

As some of you may know, we're working on a hardcore mode and we'd love your feedback.

Rules:

- Perma-death/ equipment loss in PvE and PvP
- Resurrect @ L1 for plat
- Hardcore cannot play with non-hardcore in PvE (we're going to need your help in tracking down all the edge cases here)
- No trade/ no stash
- No tier-up gift packs

Rewards:

- Tier Banners (L46, L66, L71)
- Tier Achievements
- Tier Titles
- Tier System Announcements
- Colored Name (on capped hardcore toon)

What do you think?

Thanks, and have a great week!

- g



So...the only incentive for this hardcore mode is a title and aps? It feels a little bit like I'm retiring my character if i go hardcore.

Reasons why I don't like it:
1. Can't make gold becuz since no trade,stash, or auction
2. Can't play unless I have plat
3. Can't play with non hardcore means limited friends
4. What about events...unless there's a hardcore mode then I can't even do those either?
5. Once I hit lvl 71hardcore, who will risk playing more in order to go back to lvl 1?
6. Aps shouldn't affect non hardcore players if they don't wanna go hardcore

Reasons I like it:
1. I like the idea of starting over at lvl 1 and using only dropped gear
2. New title, banners, and colored name

Suggested changes:
1. Alternate way to revive character besides plat (hard to do without auction)
2. Way to go back to non hardcore after achieving aps(lose gear, level, etc)
3. Take aps away or make it a new aps for hardcore mode that doesn't affect non hardcore

[arcanefid]

It's just sts acknowledging the current players who worked hard many years and sorta gets an option to buy a bit more but it does not mean you have to use it ofc so u can chose not to


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The whole "hardcore" idea sounds like some completely optional content which you can choose not to do. And again, any sort of headstart will make the "hard" part softer, so if that happens it will start off as a failure and not true to its name.

Hardcore mode should be just what it says it is. Difficult and not chill with for player regarding of their experience or wallet.

[Kairihearts]

I personally think one of the best soulutions for hardcore mode would be that hardcore players play alone like solo mode no help whatsoever from others or friends etc

Because all i see happening is top lb players sticking toghter and running for 71 banner title etc

So why no make it fair and do solo mode only? Thanks :3

[Azerothraven]

The whole "hardcore" idea sounds like some completely optional content which you can choose not to do. And again, any sort of headstart will make the "hard" part softer, so if that happens it will start off as a failure and not true to its name.

Hardcore mode should be just what it says it is. Difficult and not chill with for player regarding of their experience or wallet.

You do make a good point but some may not like having no options. Maybe they will be 'okay'


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[merlintrue]

Interesting but not a fan of separating plat users from none, should be available for the grinder,hunter as well!! Make this happen G! Thanks

[aramachhangte]

Well putting everything aside.. Maybe its already been asked.. But its a drag to scroll through some 160 comments.. But when is this coming.. I see that the achievements are already in the game In my current normal character.. So i was wondering if we have to sacrifice our current character to join the hardcore mode..or create new character theough new slot and chose hardcore mode.. But what makes me wonder is the achievement being in my every normal character right now.. Like i mean.. Why does the achievement have to be in the normal character if the hardcore mode is gonna be in another world(or some sort) .. So which is why i have the idea if we had to sacrifice my character.. Or well.. Maybe thats an option too.. Sacrifice or create new characyer in another slot.. Just being curious..

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[jazzary]

i guess that they will create 2 servers like two dimensions ,well just like america, asia, Europe,africa or one half and the other half town will be same for both but map will be different
and after u reach hardcore lvls the achievement will be together or could be just like elite and normal maps

just select hardcore same way that u select elite maps
it could be like change charaters on the main menu options.




but i really thing if you change your main acc for a hardcore mode then u die and you are not available to spawn again, people that lose they progresse and also they cant pay plat for spawn if you character is delete ,all of you main archivement gone maybe 4 years of play lost people are going to leave the game.



or just could be like you select hardcore and the game reload with a new charater with the same name , archivement just with out pet ,items and exp, hardcore more could be like lvl up from 1 to 71 in normal = 1 lvl on hardecore.

but you will do what u have on mind, you will fine the way Good Luck!

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[Susanne]

I'm scared. 🙁 Do we have to do it? Is it compulsory? I don't understand any of it. It can't whizz me there by accident can it??? I don't want to go 😟 I'll stay in my house..I'll be agoraphobic....I need it explaining in a simplistic way because I'm stupid when it comes to hard things. Nobody listens to me...

[arcanefid]

I'm scared. �� Do we have to do it? Is it compulsory? I don't understand any of it. It can't whizz me there by accident can it??? I don't want to go �� I'll stay in my house..I'll be agoraphobic....I need it explaining in a simplistic way because I'm stupid when it comes to hard things. Nobody listens to me...

I'm sure it's all optional and your main and other existing characters will be completely safe.

Anyway, I think it would be better if we had some sort of "beta running" for this mode. Just put it for a week how you have planned it, but not count anything and wipe all the records after the "testing" phase. That way we can give much better feedback and hopefully help you guys to improve the final product.

Or maybe limit the beta running to some specific group of players like only lv71 or those with 30K APs or more, so you won't have opinions from every newcomer that hasn't even finished the main campaign. *evil laugh*

[Ilvias]

I personally think one of the best soulutions for hardcore mode would be that hardcore players play alone like solo mode no help whatsoever from others or friends etc

Because all i see happening is top lb players sticking toghter and running for 71 banner title etc

So why no make it fair and do solo mode only? Thanks :3

Well being on lb doesn't mean they are the only ones who are able to run fast or they are op. I have so many friends which are op and aren't on lb. They are crazy enough to accept the hardcore challenge. To be honest solo mode I don't like. Its a rogue thingy. If i wanna runs maps solo I play a different game.

[PostNoob]

If y'all are worried about how hard its going to be ect, i can only suggest u take it slowly and dont invest time/money/effort in things that you cant afford to lose.


I would just expect your first character or two to die, make backups(if we can make multiple chars). Hc modes have always been fun(to the point of when you first lose a character thats close to cap or what have you). Prepare to overlevel in areas and see 2 tank pts :).

Maybe hc pvp will be more active, at least at low twink levels :). If you die, just rerun another char and go again. At this point maybe sts can keep it - pvp by equip rarity, or by non awaken and awakens modes. At least try it out like that i would say.

On the point of plat revives,if there is absolutely no way to trade, please incorporate a revive token(super rare or whatever) in elite gold runners or something.

Cant wait for this and good luck to all!

[Archerios]

For me the reward is still no good for all the hardwork we got to put.

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[Bony]

Will we lose our Character slot [PERMA DEATH]

[conat]

What do you mean by a hardcore mode, I mean this would improve the playability or it would only be for pro players.
-greetings, nice day

[sinfuldito83]

I'm assuming a lot of these people surprised by this mode and its requirements never played diablo 2...

[Rosna]

After reading through all the comments and suggestions i am more confused now than after reading the initial announcement. It said initially if we die, we reset to level 1 and lose gear, after there was a post by Justq saying if plat revive, we reset to level 1 with gear, so we dont lose gear afterall? Some suggestions sound good others not so much. However, i would caution STS that it does sound like hardcore will split the game into factions, will hardcore players separate from their guilds and friends? I believe this requires a great deal of planning and should think carefully prior to introducing this new content. Someone, In the midst of these posts, suggested a beta run, a great idea imo, people could get idea of what is involved. Many are talking in game about hardcore, and almost all have stated they believe it may be the death of AL. Please STS post full explanation of hardcore, how it impacts main character, and why we should even bother.

[Kairihearts]

Well being on lb doesn't mean they are the only ones who are able to run fast or they are op. I have so many friends which are op and aren't on lb. They are crazy enough to accept the hardcore challenge. To be honest solo mode I don't like. Its a rogue thingy. If i wanna runs maps solo I play a different game.

I also have op friends as well that ain't on lb not sure if you're listening or not but this is what I see happening all top lb players running together then bragging they got banner lvl etc while all the poor players with only a few friends with different time zones etc don't come online or yet still don't even play anymore...

[Xxkayakxx]

I also have op friends as well that ain't on lb not sure if you're listening or not but this is what I see happening all top lb players running together then bragging they got banner lvl etc while all the poor players with only a few friends with different time zones etc don't come online or yet still don't even play anymore...

Not all of them......

[Kairihearts]

I really don't care if no one agrees or likes my posts this is what will happen as it does with most things mabye not all but I know a lot of names who will peace out.

[Gouiwaa9000]

Running the harder maps will be extremely hard considering how bad drop rates are on gear , also the no trade rule is making it even harder so if you loot something thats not your class its useless .
Maybe you could replace all the other class items on the loot table with items we can use , and in the endgame introduce drops we would normally see in locks . This way its worth going into maus and risking getting hit by a curse .

[Tuhguhbuhbuh]

I disconnect a lot. So I'll be losing stuff on the regular ��

[Zylx]

Testing something. Disregard

[SacredKnight]

Personally I think there really isn't any incentive for a hardcore toon, they can't trade, stash or use auction and their achievements and titles are character bound. If one dies in PvE or PvP they have to start over from scratch.

While I think a hardcore mode is interesting I feel like it would be better done with different or rather reoptimised maps, similar to how Elite mode scales the difficulty of the mobs etc, hardcore would make the mobs/bosses easier or different (e.g. different attack patterns).
Also I think reworking item drops for hardcore toons would be good, perhaps an exclusive currency or point system earned only by hardcore toons similar to Somberhault, HC toons can use these points in exchange for elixirs, gear or other useful items. Item drop wise, increase drop frequency of actually good items makes a lot of sense, as they cannot be traded it's not like it would greatly impact the general market.
Making achievements account based instead of character based seems like a good idea, it seems impossible for a HC toon to make it on the top of the LBs so making the achievement account based as well as titles would provide more incentive to do hardcore. Perhaps also unique vanity outfits or gem rewards for HC based achievements that can are automatically rewarded into stash, cannot be traded, but then also give an endgame use for HC mode.

In general I think hardcore would be interesting and a fun challenge, however I think it would make more sense to have specified content or system for those character as opposed to just have general rules and throwing them into the same content.

[ciagenny]

I still don't get the purpose of this mode [emoji1] is this still al?

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[Allset]

From my point of view this lose of gear is a bad idea. I can understand the char death lock and plat buy back. But to lose everything I have worked for and bought without anyway to get it back is too much for my blood... If that is how it works in hardcore mode I doubt I will be doing it...

[Archerios]

I don't see any hardcore from it when you can still using your plats.They can open chest,buy gold,gears,potions,elixirs and pets instantly from the shop.Hardcore doesn't use shortcut.No plat user for this mode and make another currency as loot.When f2p and whale play the same gameplay,you deserve hardcore title.

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[ciagenny]

I agree on pvp hardcore tho. Other than that no.
I still don't get the purpose of this mode [emoji1] is this still al?

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[Shishigami]

Not good at all
Perma death and using plat to respawn? Plus losing items? That's the worst thing ever

Excited for nothing..

[andyh0510]

Might as well make banners tradable if I decide to use main acct for hard cord at least I keep my old stuff 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼

[ancestor]

At current conditions, i would litterly play this once die and put into my "never trying that again" chest. Its a good idea but there is absolutely no reward except a i did it banner i can wear around town and not even be able to trade stash or cs. Haha no thx

[Argomax]

Achievements At hardcore mode is most horibole ideas ever because this game uselly lagging, reconnecting and frozen.... and if u want to be in top u have to do that... super bad idea! Better take the achievements off and who want they can do it but it shouldn’t be “mast thing”.

[PatD]

I would find the idea more appealing if for example our HC toon was let say the soul of our main character, and that all reward(title and banner) we get can be use by our main character, when we play for years with same character we become very conservative and very attached to it, so to have a completely new character is not appealing to me at all, thank you

[Alfabeast]

I would find the idea more appealing if for example our HC toon was let say the soul of our main character, and that all reward(title and banner) we get can be use by our main character, when we play for years with same character we become very conservative and very attached to it, so to have a completely new character is not appealing to me at all, thank youI agree, the aps is what appeals to me, would need on my main

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[Xxkayakxx]

I agree, the aps is what appeals to me, would need on my main

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Same. Is a given to me that aps is added on my main.
Looking forward on how Sts is going to release hardcore!!! Can’t really guess what will be XD
In my opinion will be something a little different from normal AL playstyle, with ideas coming from FMJ. An AL PVE FMJ xD
Also hope there will be no different classes....and no pets. Just keep it simple :)

[Energizeric]

Interesting idea, but just because of the inconsistency of broadband internet, power outages, etc.... I don’t see this as a desirable option. Even if you did everything perfect, you are bound to die at least once along the way due to circumstances beyond your control.

[Head]

Has the Hardcore Mode already happen?

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[YeaSheGamez]

From what I've read it looks optional. So if you dont like it then don't do it. Problem solved.

I have a couple questions, which may have already been asked/answered but i don't feel like going through all these post reason being alot (not all) are just complaining and not being supportive or productive at all.

If we die do we lose vanity items aswell?

Are daily quest available in hardcore mode?

If we reach max level in hardcore mode but then die do we still have to start over?

Do we keep our pets when we start hardcore mode?

Do we get to keep our Pve/Pvp kills or start clean?

Thats all. Btw great idea! With no trade people would be more equal (meaning you don't have people buying overpowered gear while the poor struggle to not die)




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[YeaSheGamez]

From what I've read it looks optional. So if you dont like it then don't do it. Problem solved.

I have a couple questions, which may have already been asked/answered but i don't feel like going through all these post reason being alot (not all) are just complaining and not being supportive or productive at all.

If we die do we lose vanity items aswell?

Are daily quest available in hardcore mode?

If we reach max level in hardcore mode but then die do we still have to start over?

Do we keep our pets when we start hardcore mode?

Do we get to keep our Pve/Pvp kills or start clean?

Thats all. Btw great idea! With no trade people would be more equal (meaning you don't have people buying overpowered gear while the poor struggle to not die)

yes it says you die and lose gear but the gear can most likely be obtained easily.
You'd be surprised at how easily you can run maps in legend/epic gear.(i do it all the time just to make the game more interesting) No need for 1 shot kills just take your time and play smart. Alot of peoples deaths come from rushing if your not strong enough for a map then dont do it until your ready. Stop being so impatient! Stop pulling huge mobs trying to be mr/ms/mrs tough guy/girl.

Also this mode would help some of you to learn how to play more strategically.

As for the ones complaining about leveling, most of you have been playing for atleast a year or more with multiple toons of max or various levels (which is time consuming). it would most likely only take 1-2 maybe 3 months to take your time and level legit.

Slow and steady wins the race!

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[YeaSheGamez]

Oops i screwed that up [emoji23] G delete the top one if you wish or edit, what ever you want to do.

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[Atoxezotiquis]

It whould be nice to switch to hardcore mode from none hardcore mode caracter(every 15 dyas or 1 month u can switch modes)

[Jausa]

Happy Monday!

As some of you may know, we're working on a hardcore mode and we'd love your feedback.

Rules:

- Perma-death/ equipment loss in PvE and PvP
- Resurrect @ L1 for plat
- Hardcore cannot play with non-hardcore in PvE (we're going to need your help in tracking down all the edge cases here)
- No trade/ no stash
- No tier-up gift packs

Rewards:

- Tier Banners (L46, L66, L71)
- Tier Achievements
- Tier Titles
- Tier System Announcements
- Colored Name (on capped hardcore toon)

What do you think?

Thanks, and have a great week!

- gFUN if done right.


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[Zynzyn]

great idea sts, looks like fun. Thanks

[Eagleye]

I think perma death is fine but I think being able to keep whatever we loot would be a lot more appealing. I’m fine with restarting at level 1 but losing everything just sounds bad. I also think having hardcore specific loot only lootable and usable in hardcore mode/maps would also be something exciting people would look forward to working towards. If it’s basically gonna be identical maps/gears etc but just extremely hard that will definitely appeal to a smaller player base. There should be new content involved one way or another. I would also suggest having the initial level cap be much lower than the current cap just so we all can get a feel for how this is gonna play out and if it’s worth investing time into.

[Cinco]

Thanks for all of the feedback. A new more detailed thread can be found here: https://www.spacetimestudios.com/showthread.php?433295-Hardcore-Mode-Revised-Design-Additional-Details