Request for Cinco

[Irishcow]

Cinco, would you please add a spectating option in pvp. I feel like many people want this(including myself) and it would just be fun watching people play. Especially in tournaments.

Merci.

[NukeDragon]

I would definitely love to see this as an option, especially if I wanna learn from their play styles. Or Make it a custom option to allow spectators.

[Fwend]

I'm a farmer myself. But would love to witness pvp in its all its glory, being able to root for my friends would be amazing.

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[Waug]

Would be really nice, newcomers can spectate and learn/grow interest in pvp.
Would be fun if there's many players could spectate a match all together, all given that they can't be targeted,stay outer circle, can't reach center and also CAN'T COMMENT.

[Poiec]

support i want to see pvp games

[Absolize]

+1 for me this is a great idea!

[Communion]

This would be cool, but I feel like the request should be clarified a bit more. If you are on a player's friends list and they are currently in a Rockwall Forts PvP lobby, but their game is full, can we still be able to spectate them? Or do you have to be within the level range of your friend (5 +/-) and have to actually join them to spectate in game? Or is it you have to be within the level range of your friend, but you can freely spectate them without having to join their game?

The idea of this is great and I would definitely love to see this happening.

[burntoutdex]

i would personally, love a spectate screen. i have always wanted to spectate high level endgame ctf. It would be a really nice addition to the game - perhaps even inspiring more people to try PvP and reach endgame to partake in ctf (of which i am assuming there's a lot of, i might be wrong.)

I think, however, it should have chat disabled so that players who are spectating are unable to see the chat of the PvP (incase there is any toxicity.)

Perhaps to program it without making a new engine, you could just set a flag that upon pressing spectate, joins you to the hosted map, but never triggers the team selection buttons to appear - meaning you are in the PvP match, and able to roam around, but unable to fight.

Then, to allow players to see what is going on: remove that extra island where you are spawned before joining a team, and instead, allow the player to enter the map anyway.. this would mean you would be in the PvP map but without a team, meaning you could watch, but not participate, but still be able to move around freely to see what is going on..

then, of course, you would need a way to hide the player from the screens of people on a team, so there isn't any deliberate distractions being made by spectators in a tourney.. (this would only be important during actual tournaments, imo).

Perhaps, this could be accomplished by making the playermodel transparent by equipping a 'spectator' item-set? These items would just be designed so that the gear makes the character completely transparent. This set could be purchasable for 30k - much like the Honour Arena sets.

Also, the playerlimit would need to be changed from 2,6&10 (depending on the map) to something larger so that we are able to spectate full games.

Also, skills should be disabled and unmapped whilst spectating, so that there is a larger view for the spectators.

When i say remove the island, i mean this room where the player is spawned before joining:
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I wonder if that even makes sense to anyone other than me hahah


That's all speculation, i have no idea how the game is actually programmed..


Here are my attempts at designing the screens...

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[Draebatad]

You're lucky to see more than a single game per +/-5 pvp zones. If the game was thriving in PvP, the work required to implement a spectator mode (which incidentally, makes STS zero money) would make sense :)

[Communion]

You're lucky to see more than a single game per +/-5 pvp zones. If the game was thriving in PvP, the work required to implement a spectator mode (which incidentally, makes STS zero money) would make sense :)

That is a good argument for this suggestion and probably something that should or will be thought through before the idea even being considered. That's a good point you've made there :thinking:

[Waug]

You're lucky to see more than a single game per +/-5 pvp zones. If the game was thriving in PvP, the work required to implement a spectator mode (which incidentally, makes STS zero money) would make sense :)
Honor pvp would not exist in that sense, enormous pvp balance tweaks would not exist, 105 pvp procs & cinco's effort to assign 105 item's pvp aspect stat first rather than PVE wise for the first time ever in PL would not exist & all those would not make sense xD


This would be cool, but I feel like the request should be clarified a bit more. If you are on a player's friends list and they are currently in a Rockwall Forts PvP lobby, but their game is full, can we still be able to spectate them? Or do you have to be within the level range of your friend (5 +/-) and have to actually join them to spectate in game? Or is it you have to be within the level range of your friend, but you can freely spectate them without having to join their game?

The idea of this is great and I would definitely love to see this happening.
I've some cool basic ideas for that -
- Spectate option like join option (hosted games)
- No level restriction to spectate but to stop spam maybe a minimum level requirement lets say L50
- Large numbers of lobby Lets say upto 20 players can spectate
- While hosting one can choose that spectate mode will be available or not
- An outer circle exclusive for spectators, they can't get into inner active circle zone
- Inner circle zone for active pvp-ers occupies most of the map eg 90%, pvp-ers can't visit outer circle either
- Spectators can't comment only pvp-ers as usual.
This idea fits for round shape arena maps

2nd type -
As we see in the various competitive games -
Spectate pvp-ers from pvp-ers point of view (spectator can choose which player's POV to watch but not the skill set up) and pvp-ers can see how many players are spectating em.

[XghostzX]

I'm all for it! Who knows, sometimes Cinco and others at STS don't always implement things strictly for profit -- they do it to make their beloved game even better than it is.

[Dolloway]

I think a spectator option would be too time consuming to make and wouldn't offer much return to STS, but would love to see it implemented obviously.

Alternatively, we could start recording our games more (especially tournament matches) and upload them on YouTube or stream them on Twitch. Powerleval recently did this with his Honor tournament match and the community loved every bit of it.

[Draebatad]

There are no end game pvp games at this moment. Even if the feature was added, how many would use it and how would it help increase activity levels for pvp? Not many, and it wouldn't help. There's not enough players left and for every player that spectates that is potentially one less to actually join a game and fight. YouTube is better in two ways: 1) the burden is on the player not the devs and 2) it grants the illusion that pvp is actually active by having an on-demand video available.

Speaking of YouTube and pvp fights, here's the final fight from the Clash of the Couples 2v2 FFA L100 tournament from September 2017.

https://youtu.be/0P-_StnLGh0

[NukeDragon]

I do believe having a spectate option would be nice. I would love to have like a way to video other's games with commentary. Especially, for tournaments. A way for someone to describe where they went wrong at certain point would be great and helpful. The learning experience would help improve people's games (including mine).

[NukeDragon]

Still people request for this..

[Draebatad]

There are no end game pvp games at this moment. Even if the feature was added, how many would use it and how would it help increase activity levels for pvp? Not many, and it wouldn't help. There's not enough players left and for every player that spectates that is potentially one less to actually join a game and fight. YouTube is better in two ways: 1) the burden is on the player not the devs and 2) it grants the illusion that pvp is actually active by having an on-demand video available.

Speaking of YouTube and pvp fights, here's the final fight from the Clash of the Couples 2v2 FFA L100 tournament from September 2017.

https://youtu.be/0P-_StnLGh0

^ Let's get the game and PvP active and fix what needs to be fixed. There's always YouTube.

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[Muzzling]

+1 great idea for sure

[XghostzX]

I'll give this idea another +1

[xzLegendszx]

+1 Why not add this?

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[NukeDragon]

I remember this thread from a while back, seriously a good idea.

[Draebatad]

I remember this thread from a while back, seriously a good idea.

Yes, that is what you said yesterday when you bumped this thread. I am not surprised you feel the same way a day later.

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[NukeDragon]

Lol true.. I am sometimes forgetful.

[XghostzX]

Yes, that is what you said yesterday when you bumped this thread. I am not surprised you feel the same way a day later.

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Is his enthusiasm for the idea bothering you or something?

It's an idea worth juggling around, regardless if it's practical or not. None of us really know how easy/costly it is to implement certain features to the game. Cinco's insight would be very welcomed.

[Cinco]

Great idea for a feature. Super hard to do a full function spectator mode (like Call of Champions). Less functionality would be appropriate but still very challenging. I’ll think about it though :-)


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[XghostzX]

Great idea for a feature. Super hard to do a full function spectator mode (like Call of Champions). Less functionality would be appropriate but still very challenging. I’ll think about it though :-)


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That's all we could ever ask for, thanks for the response :)

[Draebatad]

Super hard to do a full function spectator mode (like Call of Champions). Less functionality would be appropriate but still very challenging.

Good to know.

Sounds like the alternative suggestion Dolloway and I made for players to use YouTube (and/or other streaming services) is the best path for the aforementioned reasons (difficulty to implement, extremely small size of the community, extremely low activity in the total combined PvP zones, burden is on the player and not the devs, grants the illusion that pvp is actually active by having on-demand videos available, etc).

Looking forward to seeing the many issues with PvP getting resolved in the coming months.

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[plpr]

Great idea for a feature. Super hard to do a full function spectator mode (like Call of Champions). Less functionality would be appropriate but still very challenging. I’ll think about it though :-)


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[Absolize]

+1 I’m still all for it 🤷🏻*♂️

[Snacking]

Hear me out

Add a 3rd team instead of red and blue called passive mode. Your character still spawns on the pvp map but is transparent / grayish. You can’t die but also can’t harm any other players.

I feel like this would be the easiest for cinco to implement, while still serving its purpose :)

[NukeDragon]

What if you made a third team just for spectators that spawn outside the map and can’t be targeted? Dolloway mentioned this to me so I would give him that credit, but I still would like something like this to be added. :) Maybe since they are outside the arena watching give them specific spots they can switch to or give them 4x speed to get to best views.


Just noticed snackling had the same idea right before this one but with minor changes.

[Absolize]

Still fully support this idea and feel it should be added not only for new players but tournaments also to make sure no rules are broken.