11/28/18 | Preview | HARDCORE MODE

[Justg]

It's time y'all. Tomorrow we release Hard Core Mode.

HOW DO I PLAY!?


1) Max out a character with regular play.

2) Head to Festerfang Outpost and speak to Nalyx. He'll give you a quest.

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3) Complete said quest and turn it in:

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4) Create a new character and you will be presented with the HARDCORE option:

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5) Don't die

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More Info


This is from Cinco's original post (https://www.spacetimestudios.com/showthread.php?433295-Hardcore-Mode-Revised-Design-Additional-Details):

Overview
- Hardcore Mode is a challenging way to enjoy Arcane Legends with a new (special) character!
- To experience Hardcore Mode you must first complete a quest from 'Nalyx' in Festerfang Outpost. He's not there yet but will be soon. Once you complete his quest you will be able to create new 'Hardcore Mode' characters on your account.
- Hardcore Mode characters start the game at Level 1 and advance through the classic Arcane Legends campaigns, quests and content.
- Hardcore characters cannot trade or stash items and if they die they cannot resurrect! For enduring these hardships, Hardcore Mode characters collect unique achievements, titles and banners to show their prowess.
- Hardcore characters are allowed to hang out in the same social spaces as 'normal' characters but they are only allowed to go on PVE adventures with other Hardcore characters. This means that the game will only put Hardcore characters into instances with other Hardcore characters. Likewise, 'normal' characters are put in normal instances with other 'normal' characters ;-)
- Hardcore characters are allowed to PvP against other Hardcore characters. Normal and Hardcore characters are not allowed to play together in standard PvP maps. There are two exceptions to this: Duels and Guild Battlegrounds. Hardcore characters can elect to 'duel' or enter a 'Guild Battleground.'

Rewards
- Reach Level 2 for the title: <<Mortal>>
- Reach Level 25 for <<The One and Only>> title and the Level 25 Hardcore Banner.
- Reach Level 50 for the gold <<Living Legend>> title and the Level 50 Hardcore Banner.
- An additional title and an amazing new banner will be reserved for Level 75.

Important details:

DEATH & RESTORATION
- The cornerstone of 'Hardcore Mode' is the finality of character death. Hardcore characters cannot resurrect when they die. If a Hardcore character falls in battle s/he is considered 'permanently dead,' and is removed from the Hardcore Mode leaderboard.
- Players have the option to use Platinum to restore a dead Hardcore mode character to Level 1 with all of the inventory items that the character had when they died. This is the only way to recover a dead Hardcore character.
- Restored Hardcore characters start at Level 1 no matter how far they got in the game before they died!
- Dead Hardcore characters remain in your character list until they are deleted or restored.
- Death in PvE and death in PvP have the same consequences for Hardcore characters.

TRADE & STASH
- Hardcore characters are economically isolated from their Arlorian brethren. They cannot use the huge advantages that come from trading equipment with other adventurers. They cannot spend their gold for powerful items at Auction. They cannot move items from other characters on the same account via the Stash.
- The Hardcore character's equipment is the product of strict individual effort! Relying upon looted items makes the Hardcore character experience very challenging - especially at higher levels.


On CONVERTING CHARACTERS
- Existing characters are considered 'Normal Mode' characters. These characters cannot be converted into 'Hardcore Mode.' Likewise, you cannot convert a 'Hardcore Mode' character into a normal one.
- The purpose of hardcore mode is to create a risky, exciting new context for advancing from Levels 1 to 71 (and beyond) and 'conversion' back and forth would defeat this.

On GEAR LOSS
- All of the items in your Hardcore character's inventory are lost when that character dies. This includes everything: vanity items, equipment items, crafting components, chests.
- Since Hardcore characters do not have access to trade, stash or Auction, the strategic management of inventory is more important than in the 'normal' character context.
- If you choose to restore a dead Hardcore Mode character, all of that character's items will also be restored. Upon restoration your character will be back at Level 1 so higher-level items will not be accessible until you meet the necessary requirements.

On ACHIEVEMENTS
- After reviewing feedback we have decided to separate the 'Hardcore' mode character achievements into their own category. These will be visible only to Hardcore characters and will not affect normal players' advancement.

On LEADERBOARDS
- Hardcore characters are removed from the Hardcore Leaderboard when they die.
- All relevant advancement counters (kills, AP's) are reset on death.

On PETS
- When a dead Hardcore character is restored, their Pets are brought back along with all of their equipment.
- Pet levels are all reset to 1. Purpose of this is to ensure that early game balance is not trivialized by high-level companions.

We're looking forward to your feedback as the system matures, have fun out there!

- g

[PostNoob]

Woot. Ty sts! Cant wait to try.

First?

[Alfabeast]

Yay ty first

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[Avaree]

Will give it a try. (:

[Nocturnus]

Will there be an event for normal players? some x2?

[Abuze]

So people will dummy farm PvP kills again? Since if you risk entering PvP alone, you're just asking for your hardcore char to die.

[Abuze]

So people will dummy farm PvP kills again? Since if you risk entering PvP alone, you're just asking for your hardcore char to die.

Not to mention this highly promotes people to gang each other, instead of doing fair fights

[SkipperSkinner]

Finally!

I just have one concern with this.....will hardcore characters be able to use the platnuim store? if so its gonna be a cake walk for plat users, they can buy kits that give legendary gear for your character and even just strait up buy xp, You guys said said the objective of this was "eat what you kill" but if plat store purchases are allowed that simply won't be the case. This is coming from someone who would use plat to boost with gear and exlixirs to make it way easier but do I think it should be allowed? no.... but not sure if it is or not, please let me know

[Kairihearts]

So you use ur lvl 71 normal player to create a hardcore does that mean you lose your lvl 71 toon? If so this ain't worth playing.

[ramon78]

Well, finally we can try.

[SkipperSkinner]

So you use ur lvl 71 normal player to create a hardcore does that mean you lose your lvl 71 toon? If so this ain't worth playing.

No, you don't, you just need a level 66 plus charater to do the quest, after you do the quest the next time you create a new character it will give you the option to make a hardcore one

[Marosok]

I wish you all success in this mode.

[Kairihearts]

Phew that's ok then u just need a lvl 71 toon to access it thanks :)

[Abuze]

Finally!

I just have one concern with this.....will hardcore characters be able to use the platnuim store? if so its gonna be a cake walk for plat users, they can buy kits that give legendary gear for your character and even just strait up buy xp, You guys said said the objective of this was "eat what you kill" but if plat store purchases are allowed that simply won't be the case. This is coming from someone who would use plat to boost with gear and exlixirs to make it way easier but do I think it should be allowed? no.... but not sure if it is or not, please let me know

not to mention awakes xD

[SkipperSkinner]

not to mention awakes xD

Whether or not the allow use of the plat store will define this mode, espeacially since you can't use the gold to get stuff that others can get with plat, its gonna be all down to how much plat you have, will this be hardcoremode? or platcore mode?

[arcanefid]

This is a great update, kind of exciting, but I also have a few suggestions.

We know that right now the Top Players Leaderboard is for people who have a lot of time to grind, and those who played long enough to afford all the pets and mythic sets, and maybe some PvP dummy farmers here and there. And let's be honest, in game skill is not really required to be there. And I think that's where it should change.

I think that the Top Players, aside for being hardcore grinders and have spent a lot of time (or not time) to be in the Leaderboard, they should also possess some in game skills, like fighting. And this is probably the best opportunity to bring all those three together.

So, my suggestion is to send the Achievement Titles and Banners to our main characters, so we can 1) show off our skills, 2) get APs for the Top Player LB.

This way, in our main characters, with the titles and banners we can show that we got the moves, but not the time to grind, or buy pets (therefore not in Leaderboard). But, if we get in the Top Player Leaderboard, we show that we dedicated time to grinding and farming, but we are also skilled as AL players, and indeed worthy of being in Top Players LB.

[Gufugufutwo]

Is there a timed lb for hardcore mode? Like a hardcore timed maps n stuff?

[Itupastolab]

The only way you can make me play HARDCORE MODE is if you make HARDCORE MODE OFFLINE. Imagine yourself almost reach the top then suddenly ping go up rip, wasted,
the end, bye bye lol. We only have ONE life ( for us non plat users ) and PING can easily take it any time.

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[Stonedincali]

This sounds like a blast! Come on every one, it's a game!! Play have fun and laugh. Hardcore mode is good for us all, who remembers the fear certain maps presented to us? That joyous dread of being on the edge of sanity! I think this is going to bring back the importance of parties working together and being balanced. I for one look forward to see just how far I can go without dying!
Happy hunting all,

[Hechii]

Is there a timed lb for hardcore mode? Like a hardcore timed maps n stuff?

flast lol u want run in modoharcore too xd

[Kairihearts]

Problem ? What happens if you're hardcore dies in a energy based event that won't count as permanent death right? I know alot of people are already complaining about hardcore but just give it a chance if you don't like it just stick to normal simple as pie :)

[Ride AL]

Hmmm what about the IGN on hardcore character? Is it same as the normal character?

[arcanefid]

Problem ? What happens if you're hardcore dies in a energy based event that won't count as permanent death right? I know alot of people are already complaining about hardcore but just give it a chance if you don't like it just stick to normal simple as pie :)

I'm not sure you understand the basic thing about this mode. You're not really supposed to farm Events or money in this mode. This is completely separated from you main character, you just play to show off skills, or as a challenge, not to achieve something cool.

If you want to farm events, or maps for gold, then stick to your normal character and you will be fine.

[Dex Putra]

bored -1 ty nice move

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[Abuze]

I'm not sure you understand the basic thing about this mode. You're not really supposed to farm Events or money in this mode. This is completely separated from you main character, you just play to show off skills, or as a challenge, not to achieve something cool.

If you want to farm events, or maps for gold, then stick to your normal character and you will be fine.

No you misunderstand too lol, you need gear, good pets or else you'll die way too easy. Where do u get a decent pet from? Right events.
There isn't a single good pet that is lootable in the current maps, good ones come from events and locks.

[Spheresome]

Looks fun Justg! Can you elaborate on if there are any rewards for leaderboards? xD

[Tippertwo]

So i can’t play Hardcore mode on my main? I have to make a whole new char?

[Kairihearts]

No you misunderstand too lol, you need gear, good pets or else you'll die way too easy. Where do u get a decent pet from? Right events.
There isn't a single good pet that is lootable in the current maps, good ones come from events and locks.

Thanks abuse I know what I'm talking about :)

[Magecleff]

Wow... Finally..

[Kairihearts]

So i can’t play Hardcore mode on my main? I have to make a whole new char?

Yes old friend that's correct but you need a lvl 71 to access hardcore :)

[Futumsh]

So i can’t play Hardcore mode on my main? I have to make a whole new char?

I guess after you do the hardcore access quest on your 71 you could delete it, then make a hardcore character as your main... I wouldn't though ;)

[aramachhangte]

One thing that has been bugging me is that.. The loots in hardcore mode will be changed? I mean is there any chance of mythic item drops, arcane drops.. You know what i mean..probably..

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[Tippertwo]

I guess after you do the hardcore access quest on your 71 you could delete it, then make a hardcore character as your main... I wouldn't though ;)
Yes somehow that seems unappealing.

[jeffdgzmn21]

Yay goodluck

[Kairihearts]

I guess after you do the hardcore access quest on your 71 you could delete it, then make a hardcore character as your main... I wouldn't though ;)

Will the hardcore players have some type of badge next to there name so others realise they are hardcore players? This is a must please answer :)

[PsychoNuke]

So people will dummy farm PvP kills again? Since if you risk entering PvP alone, you're just asking for your hardcore char to die.

So you are saying 1st players will level till 71, then make a dummy and level it to 71 only to kill it 1 time in pvp.
Or
They are going to do everything at level 2 then level up to level 71, but if unfortunately if they die once in between then they will have do everything again.

Little far-fetched dont you think? Just give it a rest and enjoy the things as they are.

[PsychoNuke]

Rewards
- Reach Level 2 for the title: <<Mortal>>
- Reach Level 25 for <<The One and Only>> title and the Level 25 Hardcore Banner.
- Reach Level 50 for the gold <<Living Legend>> title and the Level 50 Hardcore Banner.
- An additional title and an amazing new banner will be reserved for Level 75.

- g

Level 75? or 71? Next cap soon? :p

[Abuze]

So you are saying 1st players will level till 71, then make a dummy and level it to 71 only to kill it 1 time in pvp.
Or
They are going to do everything at level 2 then level up to level 71, but if unfortunately if they die once in between then they will have do everything again.

Little far-fetched dont you think? Just give it a rest and enjoy the things as they are.

You don't know how far people will go in AL do u lol and I thought I didn't play much :(
Not like if you try to legit PvP in hardcore mode you'll get punished hard for it :P

[aramachhangte]

But what will happen if i fire a cannon in kraag and die from a backfire..

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[Marosok]

Looks like time consuming but not rewarding to me. Unless you allow transfer HC titles and banners to main char, i ll stick with BF5, AW and gold farming in AL.

[Creepiest]

do we need to level up to 66 or 71 ? need quick answer u.u Ive ask others and say 66 but some says 71

Thanks guys :)

[PsychoNuke]

You don't know how far people will go in AL do u lol and I thought I didn't play much :(
Dont use events of past to speculate the future, it serves no value. Lets wait and watch for far people will go.


Not like if you try to legit PvP in hardcore mode you'll get punished hard for it :P
You die once and you lose the whole progress, gear, kdr, etc., that punishment isnt hard enough?
May be devs can add account ban specialy for you. :p

[MasterP]

*yawn* Lets reboot the game!!!! and make it harder!! woopie.. Listen if you want Hardcore mode now, Make a new toon. Ask a friend to get you to Kelys via Planar Tombs, and goto shuyal map1 : Shadow plains.. And boom there you go hardcore mode lol.

[Idly]

Maybe no good pets will make players rely on skill and build instead of gold.
*Buying malison, ribbit and Kelvin HC mode*

[arcanefid]

No you misunderstand too lol, you need gear, good pets or else you'll die way too easy. Where do u get a decent pet from? Right events.
There isn't a single good pet that is lootable in the current maps, good ones come from events and locks.

We don't know if the loot tables are the same for Hardcore mode though. They can easily add Arcane items in loot tables for every map. It will be no problem because you cannot transfer items anyway, and it would have zero effect on economy. As you can see the highest reward at the moment is for level 50, which in my opinion is very easy to achieve, and you will have no reason to risk your toons in Mausoleum (curse).

But still, I don't see why all the hate is coming for this. It's 100% optional as it is, and there's absolutely no need to bring salt in the thread. Instead of using our efforts to criticize this idea, we can do it to bring suggestions and hope that some of them are added.

[BaronB]

hmm so have been looking forward to this as I know with many others as well. However, there are some concerns which others have already mentioned which could hopefully still be addressed and cleared up to get everyone on the same page of understanding...


"On ACHIEVEMENTS
- After reviewing feedback we have decided to separate the 'Hardcore' mode character achievements into their own category. These will be visible only to Hardcore characters and will not affect normal players' advancement."

In regards with the above... where is the sense in keeping the achievements separate?? You've already mentioned that in hardcore you wont be able to stand around the same soical zones as you can in normal mode which makes total sense... however if you can only show off your achievments to the 3 other people in the map your in, then your not really able to show off your hard earnt achievement at all...

As fun as it might be for a little while to just try out the hardcore mode... I struggle to see any sustainability with it if you dont have a method of being able to show people what you have achieved.

Being able to be on the main character with a title that can only be achieved through playing hardcore mode would even pave the way to more people wanting to go for it or try it out as those titles and achivments can at least be seen in social spaces such as towns and guilds ect, which in term instigates the questions of how such banners and titles were achived in the first place.


Also keeping it to strictly only capped players (currently 71) being only able to get the quest to do hardcore is the right move as its fantastic encouragement and something to look forward to for after youve run your lil backside off from running :)


Everything else seems spot on, altho people will be concerned with the plat store... which is fair however we all have bills to pay and kids to feed and gotta have something new to spend me money on ;)


But sincerely do hope something is at least reconsidered about the achievements earnt being shared with main char as it would be a shame to have something rather exciting simply end up being a short term hype >.<



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[Tippertwo]

Will there be a social aspect to this? If there is will the social side only be composed of hardcore players or will there be a mix?

[Gaprisha]

You've already mentioned that in hardcore you wont be able to stand around the same soical zones as you can in normal mode which makes total sense... however if you can only show off your achievments to the 3 other people in the map your in, then your not really able to show off your hard earnt achievement at all...

- Hardcore characters are allowed to hang out in the same social spaces as 'normal' characters but they are only allowed to go on PVE adventures with other Hardcore characters. This means that the game will only put Hardcore characters into instances with other Hardcore characters. Likewise, 'normal' characters are put in normal instances with other 'normal' characters ;-) - quoted by Cinco on the other thread xp
The deal is only the achievements and mode of play on the maps is seperated.

Its also mentioned on the other thread that hardcore character names will have a different colour than normal characters to distinguish.

Overall I'm looking forward to this and seeing how far my ping will allow me to stay alive XD

[Iculous]

arcane legends is 100% free to play
HC mode is 100% free to play
something we all forget sometimes.
remember you don't need to play HC mode, it doesn't effect anything in game, just something else done for us (that's free).
Thank you STS!

even though I probably won't spend to much time playing HC mode. I am truly thankful for another (free) aspect of the game.

[BaronB]

- Hardcore characters are allowed to hang out in the same social spaces as 'normal' characters but they are only allowed to go on PVE adventures with other Hardcore characters. This means that the game will only put Hardcore characters into instances with other Hardcore characters. Likewise, 'normal' characters are put in normal instances with other 'normal' characters ;-) - quoted by Cinco on the other thread xp
The deal is only the achievements and mode of play on the maps is separated.

Its also mentioned on the other thread that hardcore character names will have a different colour than normal characters to distinguish.

Overall I'm looking forward to this and seeing how far my ping will allow me to stay alive XD

Smoke must have gotten in my eye and i misread that >.<

But it doesn't detract from having the achievements shared... hardcore is meant as an extra challenge and not to take away from the main game... so people will still spend more time on their main accounts than their hardcore ones so makes sense to be able to show achievements on the character people will be spending most of their online presence on :3


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[PatD]

One thing i would suggest is to invest hardcore mode toon with more speed than regular character, because many of the player are already addict to speed set, starting hardcore mode will feel very boring and slow if we cant move fast. Also, all the people i know(me include) would prefer to be able to transfer banner and title to their main character, Thank you STS! Ill give a try for sure!

[Idly]

Be nice if we received all the banners titles etc on hardcore character and the main normal character who took nalyx quest also received a copy of these in stash when you've earned it. All non tradeable please, thank you.

We all like to show off, nobody can deny it xD

[Idly]

do we need to level up to 66 or 71 ? need quick answer u.u Ive ask others and say 66 but some says 71

Thanks guys :)

Normal and hardcore characters can be on the same account (and effectively must be, since you need a 71 normal before you can make a hardcore character, though I guess you could delete the normal one if you want).

Copy and paste from futumsh post in other thread...idk how to quote from different threads :/ but yeah, 71.

[Kairihearts]

I'm not sure you understand the basic thing about this mode. You're not really supposed to farm Events or money in this mode. This is completely separated from you main character, you just play to show off skills, or as a challenge, not to achieve something cool.

If you want to farm events, or maps for gold, then stick to your normal character and you will be fine.

I probably know the game better then you do don't tell me I don't understand this and that people have to ask question to get the right answers if you don't like my posts don't quote me quite simple really.

[Earlingstad]

I am just a little bothered by the fact that the population of AL will now be divided and maps that were frequented sparsely by two or three will now see less and less people. It may just create an image of pve being inactive if there is isolation between hardcore and nonhardcore players in pve.

[Earlingstad]

cant edit, second thought I also felt that doing 100K xp per level and getting to 71 cap to do pve was already hardcore enough for me, and now my character will be standard and kind of not the ultimate hard core character... but still excited to try it out. Lets hope it will be fun.

[Idly]

do we need to level up to 66 or 71 ? need quick answer u.u Ive ask others and say 66 but some says 71

Thanks guys :)

But...I just saw in the IMG on this thread it says required level 66 so who knows. Futumsh and G need to decide I guess xD

[Futumsh]

But...I just saw in the IMG on this thread it says required level 66 so who knows. Futumsh and G need to decide I guess xD

I just checked the quest to be sure, requires 71. I fixed the hardcore access quest reward item to show 71 now as well.

[Idly]

I just checked the quest to be sure, requires 71.
Thanks for clarification. *Dang... levels up like craze*

[Motherless_Child]

I'm a bit confused....

My character is maxed at Lv.71 but, there is no nalyx at the outpost?????

Am I missing something?

[Painting]

I'm a bit confused....

My character is maxed at Lv.71 but, there is no nalyx at the outpost?????

Am I missing something?

Yes, it hasnt started yet c:

[Motherless_Child]

Yes, it hasnt started yet c:


I feel like such a fool.... LOL......

LOL... I was in outpost searching for this guy..... LMFAO.........

[Avaree]

On ACHIEVEMENTS
- After reviewing feedback we have decided to separatethe 'Hardcore' mode character achievements into their own category. These will be visible only to Hardcore characters and will not affect normal players' advancement.

On LEADERBOARDS
- Hardcore characters are removed from the Hardcore Leaderboard when they die.
- All relevant advancement counters (kills, AP's) are reset on death.


We're looking forward to your feedback as the system matures, have fun out there!

- g

The APs are not shared (:

[Avaree]

Smoke must have gotten in my eye and i misread that >.<

But it doesn't detract from having the achievements shared... hardcore is meant as an extra challenge and not to take away from the main game... so people will still spend more time on their main accounts than their hardcore ones so makes sense to be able to show achievements on the character people will be spending most of their online presence on :3


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Oops my above post was in response to the above lol.

#noeditpain >.< hehe

[BaronB]

Oops my above post was in response to the above lol.

#noeditpain >.< hehe

I understood that the APs are not shared... point I was making was that it should be ^.^


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[arcanefid]

I probably know the game better then you do don't tell me I don't understand this and that people have to ask question to get the right answers if you don't like my posts don't quote me quite simple really.

I'm sure I know who you are. Your name was Tangokill, a mage, and now a rogue called Kairihearts. I've been GM of a top 5 guild when you joined us as a beginner (newbie) and I remember you learning your basic stuff from me and my guildies. And if you don't want to be quoted then don't post in here. This is a place open for everyone to read and write.

And also, your question always had an answer in the first post. If your character dies in any way, even in PvP, then it's game over. The events are 99% likely to follow the same, so there was no point in asking that question at all.

[Creepiest]

Normal and hardcore characters can be on the same account (and effectively must be, since you need a 71 normal before you can make a hardcore character, though I guess you could delete the normal one if you want).

Copy and paste from futumsh post in other thread...idk how to quote from different threads :/ but yeah, 71.

Ohh .. I see
Thank u :)

[Gaprisha]

I dont see why achievements cant be shared. We have to be 71 to get the quest to get the hardcore mode. So doesn't that mean that its linked somewhat to our main or whichever lvl 71 we used for the quest? Its not like we hade to make a new account and choose from the start what mode we like to play like choosing from the species of characters.

We never had a title sharing thing for chars in the past (if im not wrong) but that aside atleast the banners should be able to be shared to the char we used to get the hardcore mode. Yes, for banners this would mean having to be able to share stash to do that which goes against what was intended but can make it such that we can only stash the banner in hardcore mode to flaunt on our main. Besides, this doesnt really take away anything from the hardcore mode in itself since the banner is awarded from 25 onwards and that might even take awhile and effort to get there if ping doesnt get me first >_> If we die on the hardcore after all that, then the same mechanics of "you loose everything" can be applied to the banner on you main nab char too.

[Tilax]

I think you should make this hardcore mode for anyone available or to people who have reached Festerfang map, so it shouldn't be limited to level 71 only.

[Kairihearts]

I'm sure I know who you are. Your name was Tangokill, a mage, and now a rogue called Kairihearts. I've been GM of a top 5 guild when you joined us as a beginner (newbie) and I remember you learning your basic stuff from me and my guildies. And if you don't want to be quoted then don't post in here. This is a place open for everyone to read and write.

And also, your question always had an answer in the first post. If your character dies in any way, even in PvP, then it's game over. The events are 99% likely to follow the same, so there was no point in asking that question at all.

I can post where ever I like you can't tell me nothing :) also when I was a beginner many years ago I didn't come to your guild first. Just because you might have started game before me doesn't mean you know more anyone can progress and know more then you :) good day.

[Eagleye]

I think you should make this hardcore mode for anyone available or to people who have reached Festerfang map, so it shouldn't be limited to level 71 only.

Yeah I agree. Imo all players should have access to creating a hardcore character if they wanted , even level 1s. Why restrict who can and can’t try out the new content. It’s not like there’s any benefit for our mains so I really don’t see why you have to be 71 to even access the mode.

[BaronB]

Yeah I agree. Imo all players should have access to creating a hardcore character if they wanted , even level 1s. Why restrict who can and can’t try out the new content. It’s not like there’s any benefit for our mains so I really don’t see why you have to be 71 to even access the mode.



The idea of restricting this for end game is to encourage not only completing the main game and levelling but to offer a challenge once end game has been completed.

So allowing people to have access before completing end game defeats the whole idea...


If you can’t level and reach cap in end game what the chances you’ll get very far on hardcore ? :3


Food for thought...


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[denimlna]

need to try.

[Uiss]

I also think it is important. I suffer from it sometimes.

[Abuze]

We don't know if the loot tables are the same for Hardcore mode though. They can easily add Arcane items in loot tables for every map. It will be no problem because you cannot transfer items anyway, and it would have zero effect on economy. As you can see the highest reward at the moment is for level 50, which in my opinion is very easy to achieve, and you will have no reason to risk your toons in Mausoleum (curse).

But still, I don't see why all the hate is coming for this. It's 100% optional as it is, and there's absolutely no need to bring salt in the thread. Instead of using our efforts to criticize this idea, we can do it to bring suggestions and hope that some of them are added.

So looted any arcanes items in every map according to you? Think not lol
Don't be daydreaming with your eyes open or confuse my realism with salt.

[Elichka]

Ok so, you gotta be capped to get this hard core quest, then you gotta run the last expansion map a few times to get access to the hardcore mode. My question is... why do we still have to go through the intro/tutorial in this mode too :D it's totally redundant. If our darling devs remove it it would be such a time saver for us forever dying nubs who will need to delete and recreate character in this mode, for which I thank you in advance.

[Xxkayakxx]

Omg HRdcore is like eating spicy chili.....you suffer but need more XD
Had fun playing it, died at first Kraken boss just because I was saving potions XD
Thanks Sts I’m enjoying it!
Long time I didn’t use heal and play as support mage :) this mode really took me back.
Even spawn the 3 boss in last brackenridge map XD
Sniff :’)

[Waterbearoar]

Hardcore mode best plat user wins haha.

[aramachhangte]

I think the hardcore mode has weaker enemies.. From my experience haha

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[Itupastolab]

I suggest separate lb for plat user and non plat user. Because plat user have HUGE advantage. To make the hardcore lb fair need to separate plat user and non plat user.

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[Idly]

I suggest separate lb for plat user and non plat user. Because plat user have HUGE advantage. To make the hardcore lb fair need to separate plat user and non plat user.

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Then why would people buy plat when everyone could just play for free on an even playing field?

Plat is pretty much how this game has kept going for 6 years, people who spend money irl should have an advantage and will likely top all leaderboards.

At the end of the day it's all free content at point of entry and STS need to make revenue. Don't like not being the best, either pay or don't play for lb.

[Kaisaur]

Probably wastinf of time.. U can add trade system only in hardcore to hardcore characters so we can sell items and pets to others hardcore players

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[eis]

И смысл играть? Хардкор режим вообще ни понятно зачем создали. Ведь это просто тратишь время в пустую

[arcanefid]

So looted any arcanes items in every map according to you? Think not lol
Don't be daydreaming with your eyes open or confuse my realism with salt.

Well if STS refuses to make their game better that is another thing, but I don’t see the point of being against a new idea; one which has literally nothing to do with what you have done until now. You can stick to normal mode and never make a hardcore character, and you won’t notice a thing. It’s not like you’re forced to do it. You know they can add or change little things here and there to improve it, and it will probably happen.

Seriously though, I still don’t understand why would someone be against this.

[Kakashis]

Dang I was doing so well in hardcore until scratch spawned. One hit gg

[Eagleye]

The idea of restricting this for end game is to encourage not only completing the main game and levelling but to offer a challenge once end game has been completed.

So allowing people to have access before completing end game defeats the whole idea...


If you can’t level and reach cap in end game what the chances you’ll get very far on hardcore ? :3


Food for thought...


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I don’t think it defeats the purpose and I’ll use hardcore Ironman in osrs as a perfect example of hardcore mode exsisting without being forced to play standard. Imo all it does is ensure less people play. So no matter how you slice it that’s the end result, less people playing. The content has no relations whatsoever to our mains so to me that doesn’t seem very logical. If I haven’t capped since 66 but have 650+k pve kills over 48k aps amongst two chars I’m not qualified to play it? Some could be burnt out on standard and this was something new and fresh that coulda been appealing to even possibly peak the interest of people who haven’t played much in a while like myself. I don’t see how that could possibly be a bad thing or why anyone would be against this being accessible to all players to try if they wanted.

[PsychoNuke]

Well if STS refuses to make their game better that is another thing, but I don’t see the point of being against a new idea; one which has literally nothing to do with what you have done until now. You can stick to normal mode and never make a hardcore character, and you won’t notice a thing. It’s not like you’re forced to do it. You know they can add or change little things here and there to improve it, and it will probably happen.

Seriously though, I still don’t understand why would someone be against this.

People that don't have need for it will always say that it's not needed. (cough)
C'est la vie

[Elichka]

I think there's a lot of stuff that need to be adjusted. Hard core mode can not be the exact same as normal mode without the CS and stash :D doesn't make sense. Some NPCs, quests and features should be corrected to fit the HC mode in a way that it would appear that someone actually put some thought into it ("let's take away CS and see what happens" is not quite complete idea). I was way too bored to go past kraag for now since it's exactly the same as normal mode, but from what I've noticed, the shady mage that sells stuff in Brackenridge still gives us ANKHS. What for? We don't need this item in HC mode except if someone wants to take a picture with it. Also, in Brack mines there's noone in that underground map where that utterly boring quest should be done (the one that makes us go back there for 5 times). I'd suggest a few testers go run every map and quest at least once, put some thought into what should and should not be changed, and then we go play some "new" feature and spend some quality time in a game that does not feel as if it's dying due to lack of creativity. (I'm saying this with best of intentions)

Oh, one more thing. In HC mode, joining maps for the players should also be level-limited. There's not much skill into a new toon playing with friends which are already lvl 40 and above, right? So if people that are only +/- 2 levels apart can play together in a map (like it is in event maps) it would be better challenging and more "skill" oriented :) Cheers!

[Misterwheels]

For example if I do the Quest with my lvl 71 Character and then I do new Character and click on Hardcore character is my 71 character away? Or is it away if I die with my hardcore character? Or is Hardcore Character special character that has nothing to do with the 71 Character?

[dreyu]

И смысл играть? Хардкор режим вообще ни понятно зачем создали. Ведь это просто тратишь время в пустуюНа прикол


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[PatD]

Thx very much for that insane mode STS!! :)

I was very skeptical at first but dang i really enjoy this!!! hahaha

my first character has die at level 20 in kt1 (i was shocked!!), and i told myself ok i have try, its fine, lets go back to my main.... 10 min later i had create a second hardcore toon and im already at lvl13 lolll

The way i see it is that you need to go very slowly and be very strategic, so anyone who say plat user have huge advantage are wrong, if u do it slowly and don't rush its very doable,
just don't rush!!!

Its a very stressing mode but i like it!!!

and the 1600 plat is fine imo, this way when ppl die they just restart with nothing and try their luck again!!!

PS: Only thing i'm sure would encourage more people is to give more basic movement speed to hardcore toon (consolation of being a mere mortal!)

Hanumanix

[Kakashis]

Thx very much for that insane mode STS!! :)

I was very skeptical at first but dang i really enjoy this!!! hahaha

my first character has die at level 20 in kt1 (i was shocked!!), and i told myself ok i have try, its fine, lets go back to my main.... 10 min later i had create a second hardcore toon and im already at lvl13 lolll

The way i see it is that you need to go very slowly and be very strategic, so anyone who say plat user have huge advantage are wrong, if u do it slowly and don't rush its very doable,
just don't rush!!!

Its a very stressing mode but i like it!!!

and the 1600 plat is fine imo, this way when ppl die they just restart with nothing and try their luck again!!!

PS: Only thing i'm sure would encourage more people is to give more basic movement speed to hardcore toon (consolation of being a mere mortal!)

Hanumanix

Yeah, toons here need more advantage than just playing regular maps and no deaths. That's insane

[Abuze]

Well if STS refuses to make their game better that is another thing, but I don’t see the point of being against a new idea; one which has literally nothing to do with what you have done until now. You can stick to normal mode and never make a hardcore character, and you won’t notice a thing. It’s not like you’re forced to do it. You know they can add or change little things here and there to improve it, and it will probably happen.

Seriously though, I still don’t understand why would someone be against this.

Because it disgust me that hardcore mode is just for getting sts $$$, there isn't a single thing that money can't buy in this game anymore.
They could've highkey invested time in something else more worthwhile for the community, but instead just release a recolor of AL, again mb if me being straight blunt counts as salt lol, I just say things as they are.

[Abuze]

Its rather sad that you can just get to lvl 65 by using 500 plat, if anything they should've made it so that plat users get close to no advantages, give them the chance to look pretty and what not for using plat, not gear, lvl, etc advantage.

PS: there's no way for f2p players can get crafting inven slots, plat offers don't count :p

[arcanefid]

I think there's a lot of stuff that need to be adjusted. Hard core mode can not be the exact same as normal mode without the CS and stash :D doesn't make sense. Some NPCs, quests and features should be corrected to fit the HC mode in a way that it would appear that someone actually put some thought into it ("let's take away CS and see what happens" is not quite complete idea). I was way too bored to go past kraag for now since it's exactly the same as normal mode, but from what I've noticed, the shady mage that sells stuff in Brackenridge still gives us ANKHS. What for? We don't need this item in HC mode except if someone wants to take a picture with it. Also, in Brack mines there's noone in that underground map where that utterly boring quest should be done (the one that makes us go back there for 5 times). I'd suggest a few testers go run every map and quest at least once, put some thought into what should and should not be changed, and then we go play some "new" feature and spend some quality time in a game that does not feel as if it's dying due to lack of creativity. (I'm saying this with best of intentions)

Oh, one more thing. In HC mode, joining maps for the players should also be level-limited. There's not much skill into a new toon playing with friends which are already lvl 40 and above, right? So if people that are only +/- 2 levels apart can play together in a map (like it is in event maps) it would be better challenging and more "skill" oriented :) Cheers!

I agree with this. I will add more stuff that I noticed (or someone else):

1. There's an AP which requires us to list an item in auction.
2. Since there is no trading, I think we should be looting more stuff for our class too. I went through Kraken Isles and Nordr and didn't loot a single epic or rare item for warrior, everything was for Mages and Rogues.
3. Add better pets that we can drop from Bosses or Minions or Chests.
4. Not 100% sure on this one, but I never re-rolled any item with the Beginner's Luck Elixir, and never saw anyone else re-roll something. Check if Luck is working correctly?
5. Remove Ankhs from anywhere. Elite Runners, Klass, Shazbot, etc.
6. Make a new way to expand our crafting inventory space (without plats). I know it is possible if we really want to, but it would take months and some luck to expand the space for 25 slots, which is not very good.

[Castura]

I hope vial drop on hardcore mode better than normal

[Justg]

Hi folks, thanks for the feedback, please keep it flowing here: https://www.spacetimestudios.com/showthread.php?435980-HARDCORE-Mode-feedback-thread