HARDCORE Mode feedback thread

[Justg]

Hey folks, please use this thread as consolidated feedback for us for Hardcore mode.

What is working, what is not, and what else does it need?

Thanks!

- g

[marsu4u]

Hey folks, please use this thread as consolidated feedback for us for Hardcore mode.

What is working, what is not, and what else does it need?

Thanks!

- gIt's awesome n fun because it's difficult

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[Antispace]

I would love to have a better possibility to loot eggs/stuff, so either try to let us get luck pots for gold, or the eggs etc. shouldnt require luck elixirs to be possible to loot.

Then please disable death by cannons in Kraag, remove Ankhs from Loot Tables and decrease the 1.6k plat for revival to like 300-600


Im not sure about the last one but Id like to see a trade system for HC Players only. I got so much stuff but its not for my class and I cant give it to anyone.

Ill add more later if it comes to my mind.

P.S The mode is great tho, reminds me of old times, love it:)

-Mail

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[Mrops|AL]

Its cool. It remembers me at the old times.
You guys may could add some vendors that sell arcane or mythic items,eggs,vanitys etc. For gold and some of them for platinum. The next thing you could do is reduce the platinum we need to revive our character again(Maybe make it 50-100 plat) because 1.600 is just too much.

Ps: Good luck to the guys who will fight the hydra in hardcore mode!!! :)

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[Tippertwo]

I wish it were for anyone who unlocked FF so everyone could play, but I understand why y’all created it this way.

[aramachhangte]

Having one life is really exciting and the hardcore mode is real hardcore and i love playing this mode.. But, the item drops are same as the drop rates in normal mode and since no trades or consignment isnt available its really hard to gear up and go deeper in the dungeons.. Some dungeons upto tindirin can somehow be cleared but the glintstone caverns and ups are really hard to run even in full party with proper lineup coz we got one life and with gears of rare and epic rarity does not really help lot..fighting the orcs with about 300dps(rogue) is really terrifying.. How are we supposed to get duskbringer equipment at lvl 57.. I mean who would run maus/graveyard having one life, having precious, deary or horton as pet with a lot of rare quality items equiped.. On the otherhand, i think the dungeons and all are easier than the normal mode, so well maybe it might be possible. Also idk if its bug or something, the troll in the second map of tindirin,when he stomped the ground for meteor to drop they never came..Or is it a sign that the enemies in hc mode are nerfed.. Hahaha.. What a long speech

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[Xxkayakxx]

Love it!
I like the fact you must just rely on drops friends and your own skill to survive.
I died once but got even more motivation to play it instead of being sad xD
Good job

[BOoOom]

really??plat based player will surely dominated...u can buy powerful pets,weapon kits,n many more...

[Itupastolab]

Need better drop rate according to my guildmates.

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[Neo1354]

I do not understand the emotion, for me it's like to recreate a pj lvl 1, same maps quets pets, I do not see any novelty, ahh and without the possibility of exchanging items and with penalty if you die, hahaha I hope they arrive to mau to see how they goes with the cursed

[Antispace]

I do not understand the emotion, for me it's like to recreate a pj lvl 1, same maps quets pets, I do not see any novelty, ahh and without the possibility of exchanging items and with penalty if you die, hahaha I hope they arrive to mau to see how they goes with the cursedIdk when u started to play this game, but it changed quite alot lately. I remember grinding elite nest for mali and km3 / brackenridge for lockeds. Sometimes Antee for the jaws. Or even farming Elite Bael in Mt Spyr or at Harbour. And when I play Hardcore mode now I remember that time which makes me happy...

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[Neo1354]

I understand the return to farmear egg, but put the same pets that you can never farm, I do not think they should design a little more and then not leave the same, as you will get the heroic ahh with platinum -_- hahaha like the normal mode

[Neo1354]

And do not get me wrong, I'm a player who spent hours in km3, farmeando locked, and I was going to plan to look for egg shell and stampy, before the gl mauso and all that (the best stage of the game at least for me) but ps not I see the novelty in that new mode

[arcanefid]

1. Remove Ankhs from any loot table.
2. Fix bugged red zones of bosses, such as Troll Abomination in Jagged Pass, or Arachna.
3. Make Kraag Cannons not kill us, or change the way how the daily quest for Cinder works. Or make Cinder obtainable in another way, and remove that quest.
4. Make Mythic, Arcane, and Heroic items and eggs obtainable in new ways, and not plat exclusive.
5. Remove other class loot, or make it drop a lot less.

[Antispace]

I forgot that we should be able to use the banners and titles on normal chars


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[Marosok]

What is working, what is not?
I think that HC mode run smooth, it is base game after all with some tweaks, but i am only lvl 40 and hard maps are still beyond me.

What else does it need?
1. Hardcore Rewards (HC rewards) -> Main character

We already did all those maps to reach max lvl, now we doing them again with single life. Rewards are interesting, but i do think, that our effort and time spent in HC mode should reward our main character. We cant be in town with 2 toons, haha. Nobody force me to play HC mode, but it would be awesome to show off Hardcore title/banner on my main character. After all, it is me, who will achieve them, nobody else on my account.

2. Higher chance of looting legendary gear.

[PsychoNuke]

I am realy happy with the implmentation and difficulty of this mode. I wont change a thing.
I guess people who are complaining have never playerd survival mode in any game before.

PS: I wont comment on the plat pay aspect of it because I see free players on LB and few plat players die early game.
So it comes down to how good a player you are and how good your internet is :p

[PatD]

Give us more basic movement speed (im so sloooowwwww)

I want banner (or a copy) on my main please :)

And of course better drop!

Thank you

[Gaprisha]

Im enjoying the rush I get from trying not to die in hardcore mode and being a rogue, gotta wait for mana to refil to save on pots like the good ol' days xD

As for improving it, make the hc names distinguishable in guild list, friend list and other lists as well, other than just chats or in towns.
Abit more character specific loots would be appreciated too.
A variety of loots that we wouldnt normally get in normal mode to help in our hc journey and to keep things more interesting in the long run.
Remove ankhs from the loot table and add some more eggs to it.
And allow us to stash just the banner for our main character or which ever character we used to get the hc quest >_<

[Cogmaster]

I'm enjoying this mode so far, the fear of dying keeps us focused like never before forcing us to think twice about engaging in any battle.

Today for example, I encountered a fellow mage player in the marine rift, we cleared it all but the boss. We were aware that with only 2 of us it would be quite difficult so we didn't risk it. It's these small choices that make this game mode really fun to play.

The only thing I think should be looked at are the drops.

Being hardcore mode I think you should be able to loot items you couldn't normally in any map, you cant trade em and if you die you lose it all so I dont think it would be an issue adding more powerful items and pets to the loot table.

A nice game mode for experienced players looking for challenge [emoji106]

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[drkoz]

Well what if im playing till i reacj level 71 and 25k aps and op weapons and awaks and jewels and died...boom everything will gone its not a big deal to play in new hardcore mode

[Kakashis]

It's good so far, but there's gotta be some kind of "hardcore" incentive to make it fun. As it stands, it just feels like I'm playing from the start with no stash or gold help and I'm not allowed to die. It's more insane than actually hardcore. Either have some kind of speed or temp in vulnerability button on top of the usual skills. Next to impossible to dodge certain boss windups and people dying will just lose interest. I don't know anyone insane enough to spend 1.6k to revive in a "fun" mode either.

[ancestor]

What is working, what is not?
I think that HC mode run smooth, it is base game after all with some tweaks, but i am only lvl 40 and hard maps are still beyond me.

What else does it need?
1. Hardcore Rewards (HC rewards) -> Main character

We already did all those maps to reach max lvl, now we doing them again with single life. Rewards are interesting, but i do think, that our effort and time spent in HC mode should reward our main character. We cant be in town with 2 toons, haha. Nobody force me to play HC mode, but it would be awesome to show off Hardcore title/banner on my main character. After all, it is me, who will achieve them, nobody else on my account.

2. Higher chance of looting legendary gear.

Completely agree. Should be like veterans award where it's just instash and you instash it on main. Titles should just transfer to all characters.

I also think that there are a lack of people playing as I cannot find anyone in anymap. I end up having to solo with war which takes wayyyy to long haha. I wish there was a system to find what people are playing more easily but that's more of your new map feedback thread. (Needs to be updated after winter event!)

[Mangyst]

This mod is complete nonsense. To die in the city from what I was trying to go to Dead city, I accidentally clicked on a gun that was right next to the entrance .... thank you so much for your time. This mod is an idiot idea. That's all I wanted to say.

[Waterbearoar]

Im will be happy if they make hardcore character can trade to hardcore character and after reaching level 71 i hope that toon will be on a normal mode and still have the equips aps etc etc.. So the effort not waste.

[arcanefid]

Im will be happy if they make hardcore character can trade to hardcore character and after reaching level 71 i hope that toon will be on a normal mode and still have the equips aps etc etc.. So the effort not waste.

I also thought that maybe trading between hardcore players should be allowed, because we get a lot of loot for other classes, which is completely useless, even if it is some Mythic or Arcane item from Elite Golden Chests. Imagine opening an Elite Golden Pirate Chest and looting Nefarious Hooks, but you're a fat warrior... the pain.

So basically it should either be that we don't get other class items, or that you allow trades between Hardcore characters.

And I forgot to add it in my original post, but we definitely want those banners and titles transferred/copied to our main characters, it's what everyone wants and I don't see the point of not being able to do that.

And yet another suggestion: Maps should be locked to levels like event zones. It's not really hardcore if I can go escort some level 2 nab through all maps until he/she/xe sails to Tindirin.

[Anehazaz]

Hey folks, please use this thread as consolidated feedback for us for Hardcore mode.

What is working, what is not, and what else does it need?

Thanks!

- g

For me and I’m speaking for myself , the only thing that’s good is that I have a different colored name...I seriously don’t see how it’s hardcore when players can buy advantages using plat..it’s hardly a level playing field is it? So it might be hardcore for most but it becomes easycore by spending plat...kind of removes any incentive for me tbh.

[PostNoob]

Have bosses drop Hardcore tokens, maybe the harder the boss the better the chance? Not sure what level you would want them to start dropping but around kraken would be fair i think.

With the Hc tokens, make a vendor that sells a variety of things, maybe some sort of eggs, a weapon for each class? There are many things a vendor could sell.

Keeping your items if you plat revive is a new thing, although quite a few games let you use a stash on a Hc character.. If we cannot ever use a stash, then the cost to revive should be lessened.

Heck, i would even be very pleased if we could get 1 or 2 "stash" slots. All in all its fun, but alot of us know that boss zones arent the most accurate.

Revival token for major event plat tier rewards would be awesome too.

[TheMadElf]

yeah maybe lower the cost for revival 1.6k is a lot and i play pc which offers aren't good for me

[Fyrce]

I don't know about stash and trade other than the reason hardcore is challenging is because you can't just gear up, i.e. trade for good gear. Or keep good gear around for your next toon, except for the insanely rich.

Not being able to just trade is also why the small amount of gold we get is perfectly adequate, because we not need gold to bribe gear traders.

Anyways, while I have not played a lot yet, it is quite a lot of fun to see people finding the old zones challenging again. Finally, people are finding out, a little bit, what it was once like to challenge Kraken, Nordr, and Tindirin. AND what it was like before amazing gear is considered crap gear and everyone expects the super amazing stuff.

I mean ribbit and mali are relevant again! Whoda thunk?

[Perspire]

Maybe reduce the plat revive cost and add a trading system but no auction. Easier way to get myth/arc/heroic weaps and eggs

[Nabkro]

I think you should add the advancement packs like you did in regular. If you cant use the ac or stash im level 40 using a 26 weapon lol

[Obooo]

Yes, i reached HC lvl40! Then, played cannon once in guildhall, and died! Hahaha...

[Zynzyn]

I gambled at Sir Spendalot in hardcore mode, and died from being too broke for potions. It was not sad but it just gave me a laugh and was totally fun. Feedback, nothing needs to change, it is a perfect system.

It is really hard and that is what the thrill is about. Trading not being there is actually great and adds to the fun. If trading was there then everything would again be about merchlegends which frankly is ughh.

About banners being stashable, I have mixed feelings. On one hand Hardcore is a totally separate game mode and should not have any incentive to play or any benefit for the main character apart from being a thrilling chase which it already is. On the other hand it would be nice to wear a hardcore banner on the main but then if that happens peeps would just play for the banner and then rip hardcore once they get that.

So I guess the system is great as it is, but please remove ankhs from loot tables everywhere (from chests too) and make the lootable items more class specific. Better odds isnt necessary.

[Fake_Stats]

My opinion is its fun and challenging but a little bit too closed system becouse no trade no stash just run maps. Maybe add trading just between hardcore players and no auction just trade. All rest is oke to me :)

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[Abuze]

Dunno if other already suggested but perhaps give us quest that reward decent gear? There are already some old quest that do so, more similar would be appreciated.

[Fake_Stats]

Dunno if other already suggested but perhaps give us quest that reward decent gear? There are already some old quest that do so, more similar would be appreciated.I agree on this one +1

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[QuaseT]

I have low lvl gear too but its fine for me. Looting a legendary piece if equipement feels like looting an arcane >.< hope u keep the mode as it is, I dont want it to be easier.

[Heyyobreh]

Let lvl 66s create hardcore characters. Players that have gotten tired of just lvling now could have had a chance to play something new and start over. Now they can’t because the requirement is being level 71. At least make it 66 to let very desperate people buy xp kits to reach the level. Personally, I wanted to try this really badly and was thinking that I would be able to start with everyone else. Later I found out that you had to be lvl 71, and now I’m behind and don’t feel as motivated to play it.

[Spheresome]

Revive your hardcore character at the level its at but it loses all of its gear for a sum of plat?

[PsychoNuke]

How about an option to craft/upgrade gear using the drops.
For example: Combine 10epic pieces of armor to get a legendry armor piece of the average level of the drops used to craft.

Does that makes any sense?

[Kakashis]

I'm level 41 now and have less than 200 damage as a rogue. This makes maps extremely challenging and high risk. I'm all about grinding, but there has to be a purpose. Till now its always been to better my toon with gold or make her look nicer with vanities. This separate HC toon feels like starting over without purpose. At least make some kind of hardcore vanity or title we can use on our mains.

[Rauitri]

Was it intended for Klaas to not give you anything? Could be a bug. Upon claiming, just skips the animation, resets the 8hr cooldown, and gives nothing.

If it was intended, was it because we could have the chance to loot decent pets(Colton etc)?

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[Dadansn]

I would add gift option to hc mode,so we can actually give away equipment which we got for other classes,making eachothers stronger,without any payment.
Id also make all untradable things giftable,so that,if you are about to quit the game,they dont go to waste.

[Majin]

Long time ago, a few players started a similar mode called "Iron mode"
They made new toon without taking trader's permit.
I was one of them, thing we felt:

1)Drop rate should be high cos loot is only source.
2)Loot should be class specific, we can't give waste item to other class.
3)Need a special identity, a recoloured name isn't enough/fair for hard work done. Perhaps consider for a cool font.
4) Didn't felt ign prob, cos players were adding "Iron" as prefix, otherwise its already hard to get a cool name for normal toon.

[Majin]

I would like to play this mode again if I can easily find Krampus egg :P

Just kidding, remove krampus from HC loot table .

Played iron mode, now ready player one

[Majin]

Also felt a strong desire for sirspendalittleless.

[Majin]

Long time ago, a few players started a similar mode called "Iron mode"
They made new toon without taking trader's permit.
I was one of them, thing we felt:

1)Drop rate should be high cos loot is only source.
2)Loot should be class specific, we can't give waste item to other class.
3)Need a special identity, a recoloured name isn't enough/fair for hard work done. Perhaps consider for a cool font.
4) Didn't felt ign prob, cos players were adding "Iron" as prefix, otherwise its already hard to get a cool name for normal toon.

https://www.spacetimestudios.com/showthread.php?373864-Introducing-Ironman&highlight=Irondios

[Alfabeast]

Was top 17 war, spent like 1 k plat on magma hisha vanity gears lol, then along came a spider boss in tindren , rip Alfahard was fun, but 1600 plat to revive? Meh https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181201/87e16fdffbf92d7119eb4fbd78b116bb.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181201/7973feec6bcd9400901a71d0ac4eea02.jpg

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[Buchmeister]

I don't understand, why can't you unlock or transfer hardcore vanity items to normal characters if they're going to lose it if they die? Isn't the point behind these characters to show off that you made it to a certain point as a hardcore character? All other vanities, yes should be kept to the hardcore character but hardcore mode related vanities should be able to be worn on all accounts to show off your achievement.

Just gonna throw this one back in because it didn't get answered in the last thread.

[Alfabeast]

Was top 17 war, spent like 1 k plat on magma hisha vanity gears lol, then along came a spider boss in tindren , rip Alfahard was fun, but 1600 plat to revive? Meh https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181201/87e16fdffbf92d7119eb4fbd78b116bb.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181201/7973feec6bcd9400901a71d0ac4eea02.jpg

Sent from my LGLS450 using TapatalkTbh it was so fun rehashing all the old memories, I loved the idea of hardcore ! :)

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[Stonedincali]

Simply brilliant!!!
Way to go guys, you made the game completely different without having to redo maps or anything!!!
I'm reminded of days gone by when everyone worked together because it was necessary for success. When fear was a part of the play and we all laughed at a glorious death! When gear meant less than teamwork and tactics.
I would like to see either better drops like eleit maps. The ability to trade could be helpful as gear is hard to come by.
All in all it is an absolute blast and who would have thought that death to a capped player could bring such laughter and joy!
A small thing would be to have some way to retain your guild, while still announcing the recently deceased!
Happy hunting all, and stay quick with that quit to menu button!!!

[Obooo]

Yesterday i saw a few hardcore characters. Today, i only saw one.

[Motherless_Child]

Hey folks, please use this thread as consolidated feedback for us for Hardcore mode.

What is working, what is not, and what else does it need?

Thanks!

- g

This is not really a "hardcore feedback" but, since I encountered it playing hardcore mode, I will post it here.........

Quest paths are too scattered.... Needs to be "tightened up"....... Quests drop you off in locations that "do not" yield quest completion.... Just yields confusion..... Needs to be more on point... Especially in "hardcore mode"..... The delivery of the content has to be just as "hardcore".... This stuff is all over the place..... Maps access is scattered too.... It's just madness.... It's like, you just gain access like "nothing".... Just my feedback...... Need better quest/map paths....... You can end up in shuyal/nordr before ready.......... I now this is "hardcore mode" but, it's the same for "non hardcore mode"..... Not an issue before because it's easier in normal mode due to the ability to share stash and such......... I don't know.... Just all over the place........

[Motherless_Child]

This is not really a "hardcore feedback" but, since I encountered it playing hardcore mode, I will post it here.........

Quest paths are too scattered.... Needs to be "tightened up"....... Quests drop you off in locations that "do not" yield quest completion.... Just yields confusion..... Needs to be more on point... Especially in "hardcore mode"..... The delivery of the content has to be just as "hardcore".... This stuff is all over the place..... Maps access is scattered too.... It's just madness.... It's like, you just gain access like "nothing".... Just my feedback...... Need better quest/map paths....... You can end up in shuyal/nordr before ready.......... I now this is "hardcore mode" but, it's the same for "non hardcore mode"..... Not an issue before because it's easier in normal mode due to the ability to share stash and such......... I don't know.... Just all over the place........

Numerous maps are opening before the much easier map is completed........ Too scattered.......

[Xxkayakxx]

Harcore is like red hot chili. It hurts.....but you want more!

[Kakashis]

Long time ago, a few players started a similar mode called "Iron mode"
They made new toon without taking trader's permit.
I was one of them, thing we felt:

1)Drop rate should be high cos loot is only source.
2)Loot should be class specific, we can't give waste item to other class.
3)Need a special identity, a recoloured name isn't enough/fair for hard work done. Perhaps consider for a cool font.
4) Didn't felt ign prob, cos players were adding "Iron" as prefix, otherwise its already hard to get a cool name for normal toon.

Excellent suggestions. All loot should be class specific if nothing else.

[Motherless_Child]

harcore is like red hot chili. It hurts.....but you want more!

lol.......

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[Motherless_Child]

Hey folks, please use this thread as consolidated feedback for us for Hardcore mode.

What is working, what is not, and what else does it need?

Thanks!

- g

Some sort of "Hardcore store" would be nice......

"Hardcore currency" that is acquired via running maps can be the currency......

At least let it sell vanities..... Weps and armor would be cool, too.......... I mean, there is a small chance that all will spend 1600 plat to revive hardcore characters so, it can be something to keep people "into" the "temp" aspect of it.........

[Zynzyn]

Many, including friends and myself have remade characters and are doing it from the beginning again. Some are doing it for many more times than once, which shows this mode is quite an exciting challenge. In HC guild chats, members brag about looting a legendary weapon or a george egg for instance. This is such a delight.

The scarcity of equipment and pets DEFINES the challenge. There should be no HC store, no trading between HC players and no discount in revivals. I disagree with changes that make the current system easier.

[Flamesofanger]

Many, including friends and myself have remade characters and are doing it from the beginning again. Some are doing it for many more times than once, which shows this mode is quite an exciting challenge. In HC guild chats, members brag about looting a legendary weapon or a george egg for instance. This is such a delight.

The scarcity of equipment and pets DEFINES the challenge. There should be no HC store, no trading between HC players and no discount in revivals. I disagree with changes that make the current system easier.

This is the beauty of Hardcore mode. I love hardcore mode the way it currently is.

Just looting a rare pet egg or a legendary weapon feels like looting an arcane item from a locked :)

You are speaking the truth. 1+

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We have a selection of Standard mode & Hardcore mode for a reason.

And it's called "Hardcore" for a good reason. No pain no gain.

[Elichka]

- skip intro (pointless waste of time)
- remove ankhs from shazbot and klaas
- remove stash slots / auction slots that are traded for various tokens (story tokens etc)
- add some vanities maybe for tokens, or make them drop from bosses, so people won't have to waste plats on them and non-plat users will appreciate it
- class-specific loot, since there's no trade or stash - our inventories would appreciate it
- close levels only in maps (like in event maps, 2-3 levels difference among players, so there's a real hard core mode instead of lower levels boarding on higher levels that would play the map for them)
- chat box for HC mode players (like there's one for general messages, guild, private, spouse chat, etc)
- for those who actually reach lvl 71, give their main toons some credit too :D A special title or banner that would go to the main toon so it's not a complete disappointment and bitterness once that lvl71 toon is dead (not many who invested so much time and effort into reaching lvl71 would go and do that again, since all that expenses can be invested in farming and bettering the main toon, no?)
- add some HC mode quests too, so it's not a complete copy/paste from normal mode. There are some NPCs that reward items for completing quests, spice up those items so it's not a total waste of time to actually go and do those quests.
- there are some achievements that are simply impossible for HC mode, and will pose as a serious threat for cheating. 10k PVP kills? I think the one who'd get this AP deserves a free kidney. But really, it can't be done without severe dummy farming, which although is not againt TOS, still is the most redundant AP in this mode. And it's not the only one, there are other silly APs that aren't suitable for this mode as well. So I'd also suggest that devs go through the AP menu and adjust it to fit the HC mode more properly, instead of just pasting the entire AP list and adding a couple more.

What I'm saying is, the normal mode and the HC mode can not be identical in the entire game play. HC mode is a wonderful idea for an entire new AL expansion or addition in a separate game - AL Adventures or AL 2. For now, if you can tweak these essentials to make it seem like a new gameplay over the dear old AL maps, we will appreciate it greatly.

I know some of these stuffs are repeated probably, didn't have time to go through the entire thread cuz I knew if I start typing it would take a while. Great minds think alike, I'm told. (I feel I'm forgeting a hundred stuffs too)

- Love and happiness for all!

[Motherless_Child]

Many, including friends and myself have remade characters and are doing it from the beginning again. Some are doing it for many more times than once, which shows this mode is quite an exciting challenge. In HC guild chats, members brag about looting a legendary weapon or a george egg for instance. This is such a delight.

The scarcity of equipment and pets DEFINES the challenge. There should be no HC store, no trading between HC players and no discount in revivals. I disagree with changes that make the current system easier.

True..... Some type of way to get vanities would be cool... Whether it's a store or not.... No need to make it easier, just prefer some type of way to get vanities for non-plat....... Plat for this, plat for that, then 1600 to revive is a bit steep for me... Just like you can get stuff via story vendor (in hardcore mode)...... No one suggested "removing" that yet..........

[Motherless_Child]

- skip intro (pointless waste of time)
- remove ankhs from shazbot and klaas
- remove stash slots / auction slots that are traded for various tokens (story tokens etc)
- add some vanities maybe for tokens, or make them drop from bosses, so people won't have to waste plats on them and non-plat users will appreciate it
- class-specific loot, since there's no trade or stash - our inventories would appreciate it
- close levels only in maps (like in event maps, 2-3 levels difference among players, so there's a real hard core mode instead of lower levels boarding on higher levels that would play the map for them)
- chat box for HC mode players (like there's one for general messages, guild, private, spouse chat, etc)
- for those who actually reach lvl 71, give their main toons some credit too :D A special title or banner that would go to the main toon so it's not a complete disappointment and bitterness once that lvl71 toon is dead (not many who invested so much time and effort into reaching lvl71 would go and do that again, since all that expenses can be invested in farming and bettering the main toon, no?)
- add some HC mode quests too, so it's not a complete copy/paste from normal mode. There are some NPCs that reward items for completing quests, spice up those items so it's not a total waste of time to actually go and do those quests.
- there are some achievements that are simply impossible for HC mode, and will pose as a serious threat for cheating. 10k PVP kills? I think the one who'd get this AP deserves a free kidney. But really, it can't be done without severe dummy farming, which although is not againt TOS, still is the most redundant AP in this mode. And it's not the only one, there are other silly APs that aren't suitable for this mode as well. So I'd also suggest that devs go through the AP menu and adjust it to fit the HC mode more properly, instead of just pasting the entire AP list and adding a couple more.

What I'm saying is, the normal mode and the HC mode can not be identical in the entire game play. HC mode is a wonderful idea for an entire new AL expansion or addition in a separate game - AL Adventures or AL 2. For now, if you can tweak these essentials to make it seem like a new gameplay over the dear old AL maps, we will appreciate it greatly.

I know some of these stuffs are repeated probably, didn't have time to go through the entire thread cuz I knew if I start typing it would take a while. Great minds think alike, I'm told. (I feel I'm forgeting a hundred stuffs too)

- Love and happiness for all!

That.............

[Obooo]

I searched all towns in AL, only saw 2 HC characters.

[murte]

can it be lvl 66 can unlock it because theres no point of going lvl 71

[Suentous PO]

No to anything that makes this easier, yes to anything that allows us to to be able to display our hardcore achievements on our main

[w4r]

Is this diablo?

[Majin]

can it be lvl 66 can unlock it because theres no point of going lvl 71

+1

Many old floks would love to return if they can just start playing HC without spending whole month on there main for 71.

61-66 is best for letting players know the taste of main game.

[Obooo]

No, it s diablo immortal. Haha

[Heyyobreh]

+1

Many old floks would love to return if they can just start playing HC without spending whole month on there main for 71.

61-66 is best for letting players know the taste of main game.
Same here. Really hope they change this.

[Obooo]

Ok, one suggestion for real: if sts really wants the hardcore mode to last longer, there must be a new skill: rescue. It could be the last upgrade of every class s healing skill, or a new ultima skill. So that players have to depend on team to survive. The only chance of hopeless real death is all member die at the same time, no rescue, at all.

[Kenisin]

Hi all. I have completed the quest but cannot create new character. I'm sure quest is complete(it shows in quest log). Any suggestions? Any help? All appreciated.

[Xxkayakxx]

Hi all. I have completed the quest but cannot create new character. I'm sure quest is complete(it shows in quest log). Any suggestions? Any help? All appreciated.

Go on your char list.
Click on new char
Select Hardcore option

This is how it is supposed to work after you complete quest to unlock HC

[Irg]

-Pro: Plz epic gear
-dang you have one legendary?
-AHAH golden chest
-no im not going
-not tindrin 3rd map
-who faking called me?
-plz mana

Hardcore in a nutshell

[Oakmaiden]

Hi all. I have completed the quest but cannot create new character. I'm sure quest is complete(it shows in quest log). Any suggestions? Any help? All appreciated.

Did you buy a new character slot? They can be purchased with story tokens and a couple of other ingame currencies.

[Dalmony]

I’m absolutely loving hardcore - it brings back all the reasons which got me addicted to AL in the first place :)

At the moment I’m level 42, and I don’t feel anything should be made easier. I’ll list my main concerns below:

1. Everything unlocks too fast and in too haphazard a manner. As it’s hardcore I expected to go back over the maps a couple of times before moving on in area, and I found that suddenly I had quests to open every single area, eg told to take quest for Kraken I haven’t finished dead city. Suddenly tindirin was available and I hadnt even entered nordr yet. When working through brack, Ydra, Dead City, the quests flow well and are have an excellent, linear design. After that they are super confusing and the NPCs are in totally nonsensical places - maybe extend Karins letters or introduce a new Karin type character who joins things up.

Additionally, the relationship between Xp gain, questing, levelling, and maps opening needs to be adjusted to make the experience more smooth - the new areas should unfold in a linear manner like the first 3, not suddenly all be there at once.

2. Piggybacking for APs.

3. Travelling to the “Elite” version of any map unlocks its normal counterpart, allowing players to skip past hard sections.

4. At the moment, I’m enjoying egg farming in the early maps - pet quests, ribbit, flapjack etc. However, I am aware that 1. Luck elix is pretty much required to drop these and 2. later in the game egg farming becomes less lucrative. I’m hoping some more eggs (and legendary gear too) will be put as drops in normal maps for hc players to farm so that we can build our collection before venturing into elite farming.

5. PLEASE add loot tables to the location descriptions on world map. As a hardcore player I need to know what drops where in terms of eggs & legendaries so that I can plan my farming effectively.

6. If I make it to 71 please let me show off my achievements / banner / title on my main. Dal”i”mony is great but to me she is just a copy of my main, which is where it feels right for my achievements to be displayed.

7. Other players shouldn’t be able to kill us in town with pets or otherwise, it’s below the belt and just shouldn’t be a thing.

Thanks for this mode though it really takes me back to the good old days :D

[vfreakhun]

I have to admit I did not start HC yet...

Two comments while I read through all the forum post (including the original announcement, this and the Iron_xxx thread):

1.
STS do not have to remove Ankhs, but make an NPC for HC players and sells something for Ankhs - make it another ingame currency.
For Ankhs you could buy
- loot reroll elix,
- HP/mana,
- chest containing vanities,
- chest containing eggs,
- chest containing jewels,
- craft/inventory/furniture slots
- etc.
OR get one thing which may contain one of the above...

Of course you can remove the game-affecting things from loot table and keeping vanity/furniture.

2. (read somewhere)
able to craft crap thing to a better one, like 2-3-5 exactly the same common blades to a rare blade ... up to legendary.
Seems an adequate "reward" for the long farming time...

[crudmudgeon]

Skratch's redzone nuked me at lv52 through Jugg, with awakened lv50 lege gear and magma...
'Twas fun... but too much plat for revival.

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[Valkiirye]

This nice way to enjoy game but yes, need fix some others things.

1. Any way to can farm gold instead of Daily quests.

2. Maybe put some shop with gears, eggs, vannitys that can buy with tokens or gold.

3. Remove some Usless APS like list items at cs,
Impossible 10k, 5k, 1k PvP Kills/Flags.

4. Reduce Dmg (if no release new gears to HC) at maps like Mausoleum, Fester And some others high lv maps that require nice equipment, about mausoleum will be good if remove mobs skills like AIM, Cursed ( isn't good for HC balance reach high lv just to die with simple cursed) and many more things that will be tested for many players.

5. Reduce the cost of Revive, it's crazy pay $100 just to revive Hc toon, search other way useful to make us waste Plat in Hc.

Hardcore mode its other way to enjoy game that force us to make plan to survive, gear up.

For now maybe just test Hc, we know need fix many things, add more ways to gear up.

Hope Admins read our suggest and fix the Hc Mode

I'm Valkiirye PvE Player From Chivalrous Union
And "Hes" At Hardcore mode From Chivalrous.

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[Fyrce]

I might agree with a class-specific loot or more class-specific loot.

I actually turn off xp when turning in quests, because otherwise, one would level way to fast for the equips one has. I also turn off xp while opening tombs. Same reasoning: leveling too fast for equips and farming.

It might be interesting to have an HC sirspendalot, at maybe 1/10th the costs of normal level.

I prefer much fewer changes to hardcore though, because the scarcity of items making the zones challenging is what makes the entire mode fun. Anything that increases people's gear too quickly would decrease the challenge.

Oh yeah, maybe a hardcore chat channel (/hc or /hardchat) so we can ask farming questions, which normal people would skip since once they can trade, everything is available to them.

[Fyrce]

Oops. Would also be nice to have separate characters list for normal and hardcore. Kind of annoying to scroll so much to find my hardcore toons. Thanks!

As for whoever keeps implying hardcore is dead before it has begun, I have seen hardcore toons everywhere, though yes, some town instances only have 1 or 2. Some towns have whole herds of them though.

[MegaVordred]

Story of my Hardcore Life;
-Creates Hardcore Character
-Did some of the storyline (the nostalgia is real :] )
-tried to conserve my pots
-all alone
-and magically died from doing nothing when exiting a game.
-Not touching HC for awhile due to massive temper
10/10 would recommend

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[sinfuldito83]

Is this diablo?
Pffttt.... Not even close

[Fyrce]

Hardcore mode, at this moment, is more a novelty, separate from the normal mode. It is a challenge and defniitely helps a player to learn the game, because one no longer has the advantage of six years worth of items from which to choose to equip one's character.

However, since it is a novelty and separate, right now, besides curiosity and a personal challenge, there is no incentive to keep going in Hardcore.

So a small suggestion:

HARDCORE RUNNER CHESTS (based on the Elite Runner Chests):

Obtainable either via 1. a DAILY Hardcore only quest, available in Kraag (tavern?) to kill 1k mobs and/or 25 bosses, or 2. as a reward every 300AP's after reaching Level 20 or 30.

I think maybe as a daily, so it is something for people to do daily, whereas people will reach the end in Ap's at some point. But then again, they can always start another character.

The chest is deposited in the character's stash, to be accessed in Normal mode. The chest will be untradeable, but obviously, stashable.

Most of the time, the chest will just drop common, normal items. Once in awhile, it drops some desirable fun stuff. Very rarely, it drops a very desirable item.

The chest has the possibility to drop:
Various currencies, including Murkstone tokens (or possibility a Sack of Murkstone Tokens)
Various elixirs
Gold (500g - 100k)
Spirit xp kit
Fine/Fury/Mind Standard or Fort Jewel
Vial of Ectoplasm? Possibly other rare items? Unique pet egg? Possibly super rare vanity but I think consumables is better.

[|Ares|]

What about increasing the chance of getting good loot for your class from at least golden chests soon we loot them from bosses (any chance of let's say looting Maul from elite golden warchest or maybe kershal scepter from elite golden puzzleboxes)?

[murte]

Come On Sts Make It Lvl 66 To Do The Quest That Makes You Unlock Hardcore Mode Ty

[PsychoNuke]

Come On Sts Make It Lvl 66 To Do The Quest That Makes You Unlock Hardcore Mode Ty

Come to Level 71 we have special badges and artifacts.

[danishahmed]

How about STS reintroduces early season weapons all those had good procs.

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[BabVna]

Gear is major challenge, opened few chests and got gear other than rogue. At least please narrow down loots to character specific. Revive cost too much, people give up easily and hardcore may left with one or two in long term. 100 plat around is reasonable.

Also please consider gear fusion for hardcore mode.

[Fyrce]

How about a vendor that uses Ankhs as currency? Perhaps an item the vendor could 'sell' would be Class Loot Elixir, maybe for like 25 or 50 Ankhs. Could also maybe sell some loot chests or other elixirs.

It would be fairly useless in normal mode but probably fairly useful in hardcore mode.

[PostNoob]

Could you put icons next to hardcore characters in our friends/guild list? Can be rather confusing at times. Ty!

[Futumsh]

Could you put icons next to hardcore characters in our friends/guild list? Can be rather confusing at times. Ty!

This is coming in the next update.

[arcanefid]

This is coming in the next update.

Does this mean the other things are not coming? Getting Ankhs from Klaas and Shazbot isn’t somethig that takes a lot to change? Even potions will do.

[fidelth]

Several people I know have lag died in kraken. I noticed that kraken is extra laggy in hc
I died cause of lag there I NEVER have lag. I could 1 hit in kraken lvl 46 and lagged for a quick second and dead. I will not spend a stupid ammount of plat to revive a character at lvl from lag.

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[Futumsh]

Does this mean the other things are not coming? Getting Ankhs from Klaas and Shazbot isn’t somethig that takes a lot to change? Even potions will do.

It means I haven't already done it, not necessarily that it won't happen.

[Futumsh]

Next update Klaas and Shazbot will no longer give Ankhs to hardcore characters.

[Stonedincali]

Been playing for a while and am beginning to get the feel for it. Awesome addition for all us dinasours out there.
People have been squawking about lag, random deaths ,ECT. Why not just give everyone 3 hardcore ankhs? 3 chances to reboot time and not lose everything. Seems reasonable and then nobody can complain they lost everything due to... Fill in the blank.
As far as gear goes, I get the no buying part, but players should be able to gift useless stuff to other classes, why not? It won't harm the economy, it will give us a fighting chance, and it will build teams and guilds. We could all farm as a unit and with it the spoils could be shared.
Other than those small points, hardcore mode may not excite the newer players, but the old dinasours are having a blast!
We share tales of Arlor, epic battles, and hilarious moments! From the glitches we've found to the friends we've made.
I no longer am concerned with the millions I have stashed, nor the thousands of other stuff stashed along the way, I just don't want my friends list to get smaller, and hope when I do buy it, everyone will rejoice and laugh, because here we go again! Hahah
Happy hunting all, and stay alive
Stonedincali or toyoungtodie

[crudmudgeon]

I restarted and I think that I have a better game plan this time.
Like other players have noted, it is frustrating waiting to loot lege gear, only to finally get it... but for other class.
Maybe Hardcore Mode could enable permanent Class Loot Lixer!
That would be swell.
Lag deaths are rampant but in general its a lot of fun

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[Motherless_Child]

I'm trying to like hardcore mode but, it's just a bit bland....

The "challenge" is not the issue, it just seems that there needs to be more going on..... I mean, you run maps without dying and then...........

If you aren't really concerned with the leaderboard, where does that leave you?

Just seems something is still missing..........

[fidelth]

So many lag deaths. That in itself makes it not enjoyable. Been playing since Jan 2013* so it was a nice change of event but I have all 3 classes and know how to use them already I knew mage was easiest way to go considering low gold. So to lag die in kraken within seconds while auto pot was enabled. Is a bit ridiculous. So I will no longer continue hc until the major server issue has been fixed. It would have been decent till lag death. Then I seen the insane numbers of lag death and cmon sts 1600 plat. Could you be more greedy?

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[Futumsh]

I will no longer continue hc until the major server issue has been fixed.

Server performance has been just fine, so there is no 'major server issue'. Whatever your lag problem is, it's network related.

[fidelth]

Server performance has been just fine, so there is no 'major server issue'. Whatever your lag problem is, it's network related.Cant be network related. I experience no lag in regular mode. I have lived in the same house for 3 years. Never lag. Yet seems so many are experiencing lag deaths. Anyways the concept was great but lag death followed by to recover account is 1600 plat. Not even close to worth 1600 plat. I have purchased platinum over the years but to spend a full 1600 plat to restart at lvl with current gear is way insane. Just restart the character with key items for free. Allow the character to keep 3 items or 2 items and 1 pet.. or figure out another system for respawning. Because many are complaining about the insane numbers. I have been here for years and the concept is great but I'm shocked at the respawn price..

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[Futumsh]

Cant be network related. I experience no lag in regular mode. I have lived in the same house for 3 years. Never lag. Yet seems so many are experiencing lag deaths.

Believe what you will, but the facts are:
* Normal and hardcore are on the same servers. The only difference is a single flag on your character.
* I get notified by the service every time something is affecting server performance, so I know if they're not performing as they should. They're fine.

[fidelth]

Believe what you will, but the facts are:
* Normal and hardcore are on the same servers. The only difference is a single flag on your character.
* I get notified by the service every time something is affecting server performance, so I know if they're not performing as they should. They're fine.Whether its server or not server related, there is still other issues that need to be addressed. Obviously the game isn't what it uses to be. I often travel to areas completely vacant. Hardcore is a great concept maybe lighten up the insane platinum request for reset. Work something else into the gameplay to allow people to reset at 1 without considering near 90$ purchase lol that's more then a game for console. 1600 platinum is a joke of a request. I'm not the only one who feels this way. Whether the lag deaths are server or network based it's not cool that its happening and people are enjoying the up until that point. 1600 cmon. I'm not going to dwell on this too long. Many already gave up on hardcore. Many dont even see a point in going to hardcore. I personally enjoyed it because of the challenge but seeing 1600 reset drove me away laughing.

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[Futumsh]

Whether its server or not server related, there is still other issues that need to be addressed. Obviously the game isn't what it uses to be. I often travel to areas completely vacant. Hardcore is a great concept maybe lighten up the insane platinum request for reset. Work something else into the gameplay to allow people to reset at 1 without considering near 90$ purchase lol that's more then a game for console. 1600 platinum is a joke of a request. I'm not the only one who feels this way. Whether the lag deaths are server or network based it's not cool that its happening and people are enjoying the up until that point. 1600 cmon. I'm not going to dwell on this too long. Many already gave up on hardcore. Many dont even see a point in going to hardcore. I personally enjoyed it because of the challenge but seeing 1600 reset drove me away laughing.

If there are bugs to be addressed, post them in the bugs and tech forum.

I get that you don't like the pricing, but frankly, it wouldn't be hardcore if it was so cheap that people did it all the time. You're not attached enough to your character to be willing to pay that much (and really, hardcore hasn't been out long enough that I would expect many to be), so you don't. That sounds like it's working as expected.

[Antispace]

If there are bugs to be addressed, post them in the bugs and tech forum.

I get that you don't like the pricing, but frankly, it wouldn't be hardcore if it was so cheap that people did it all the time. You're not attached enough to your character to be willing to pay that much (and really, hardcore hasn't been out long enough that I would expect many to be), so you don't. That sounds like it's working as expected.Well if you say it's a hardcore mode it shouldnt be easy to revive, I agree with that. But right now its a game mode where plat-player can simply just run through without having any problems. If yoz want it to be hardcore, then remove the revive function completely for everyone

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[arcanefid]

Making revive cheaper would ruin everything. I'm free player, and I know how bad that would be for me, and probably for many others. Let's say if you make it 100 plat to revive, with $100 someone can revive 16 or 17 times and that's completely unfair. Everything affordable would be bad, so I would support the decision for revives to be extremely pricey or non-existent.


Well if you say it's a hardcore mode it shouldnt be easy to revive, I agree with that. But right now its a game mode where plat-player can simply just run through without having any problems. If yoz want it to be hardcore, then remove the revive function completely for everyone

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I agree that if you spend even a small amount of cash on plats, the game becomes extremely easy in some parts. You can basically grind to level 51, buy legendary items for very low amounts of Plat and get good items. The power-gap between Tindirin and level 51 items is very big, so it becomes pretty easy to farm maps up to there, but there is another great power-gap from 56 to 61, so it gets sorted itself. As far as I know you can't really buy level 57-61 items from the Store so in the end it's no big deal. I think it's OK as it is. F2P nabs can just do offers, if they pay the plays.

[Antispace]

Vice verse with 100 plat free players atleast have the chance to revive..
There is no actual way for me to get 1600 plat with offers, but 100 plat are affordable.
I get ur point, but then give free players another possibility to revive their players like for example with a questline for one free death, or let us revive with ankhs, i hope u get what i mean
Making revive cheaper would ruin everything. I'm free player, and I know how bad that would be for me, and probably for many others. Let's say if you make it 100 plat to revive, with $100 someone can revive 16 or 17 times and that's completely unfair. Everything affordable would be bad, so I would support the decision for revives to be extremely pricey or non-existent.



I agree that if you spend even a small amount of cash on plats, the game becomes extremely easy in some parts. You can basically grind to level 51, buy legendary items for very low amounts of Plat and get good items. The power-gap between Tindirin and level 51 items is very big, so it becomes pretty easy to farm maps up to there, but there is another great power-gap from 56 to 61, so it gets sorted itself. As far as I know you can't really buy level 57-61 items from the Store so in the end it's no big deal. I think it's OK as it is. F2P nabs can just do offers, if they pay the plays.

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[arcanefid]

Vice verse with 100 plat free players atleast have the chance to revive..
There is no actual way for me to get 1600 plat with offers, but 100 plat are affordable.
I get ur point, but then give free players another possibility to revive their players like for example with a questline for one free death, or let us revive with ankhs, i hope u get what i mean

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I understand, but seriously as Futumsh mentioned, I don't see the point of being able to revive our characters easily. That way the whole Hardcore thing becomes softer, and sort of loses the point. If you can revive easily - or just by doing anything that takes time, it just becomes a super-grindy standard mode without Auc and Stash.

[Antispace]

Tbh that's what it is now too innit? I mean if we dont have the opportunity to revive ofc we will play it wouth any risk and the only thing we r doing is grinding in low lvl zones for gear..
I understand, but seriously as Futumsh mentioned, I don't see the point of being able to revive our characters easily. That way the whole Hardcore thing becomes softer, and sort of loses the point. If you can revive easily - or just by doing anything that takes time, it just becomes a super-grindy standard mode without Auc and Stash.

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[Fyrce]

Revive...revive...Oh you mean, you want normal mode?

[Motherless_Child]

Revive...revive...Oh you mean, you want normal mode?

I do not believe anyone is asking for "normal mode" this or that..... It's just, if you are going to revive for 1600 plat with a bunch of "crap" that was picked up off of the ground, it is pointless.....

If hardcare mode was "meant" to be a "rich only" mode, it should be advertised as such and not be advertised as a mode "for all"........

I'm honestly bored with HC mode because there is no sensible gain for "non excessive plat spenders"....... You run, stay alive, and then compete with lucrative plat spenders.......

Seems "imbalanced".........

Just my honest opinion..... Why HC mode if you cannot excessively spend plat? I'm stuck there....

Just sayin.....

[PsychoNuke]

I do not believe anyone is asking for "normal mode" this or that..... It's just, if you are going to revive for 1600 plat with a bunch of "crap" that was picked up off of the ground, it is pointless.....

If hardcare mode was "meant" to be a "rich only" mode, it should be advertised as such and not be advertised as a mode "for all"........

I'm honestly bored with HC mode because there is no sensible gain for "non excessive plat spenders"....... You run, stay alive, and then compete with lucrative plat spenders.......

Seems "imbalanced".........

Just my honest opinion..... Why HC mode if you cannot excessively spend plat? I'm stuck there....

Just sayin.....

You are looking at it the wrong way, it is survival mode. It is meant to be experienced hard. If the motive is just to be on LB or to show-off then you can do that in normal mode as well. Let them spend plat and play the way they want, you can have fun without that too, why compare? :)

[Abuze]

You are looking at it the wrong way, it is survival mode. It is meant to be experienced hard. If the motive is just to be on LB or to show-off then you can do that in normal mode as well. Let them spend plat and play the way they want, you can have fun without that too, why compare? :)

*in cringe girls voice* OMG GUYS I MADE IT TO LVL 71 by being a kitty and just doing daily for a whole month, that was so much fun.

It's oke tho, tho everyone has the cells to see the disadvantages and advantages immediately, most players have been wanting something new so badly that they get excited for the smallest of things.

[PsychoNuke]

*in cringe girls voice* OMG GUYS I MADE IT TO LVL 71 by being a kitty and just doing daily for a whole month, that was so much fun.

Well if that is your definition of fun then good for you.

Plat cannot buy skills nor kill bosses, it only help you with few higher stats. There are many ways to top that for free, but I dont think a kitty play-style will need any of my tips. GL :encouragement:

[Rauitri]

It's Hardcore alright, I've asked like around 30+ HC players randomly. All answered that they played to get a place in LB, as lb is one of the best rewards you could get in HC, perhaps get a banner at end of season.

But the problem is we have these P2W players who are dominating lb, so far we still have F2P in lb, but I foresee that it wouldn't be the case in the long run.

I guess this hardcore mode (F2P perspective) is all about competing with P2W players, which is hard, and definitely not because this mode is hard.



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[Motherless_Child]

You are looking at it the wrong way, it is survival mode. It is meant to be experienced hard. If the motive is just to be on LB or to show-off then you can do that in normal mode as well. Let them spend plat and play the way they want, you can have fun without that too, why compare? :)

I think everyone understands the "challenge" aspect of "HC" mode..... From my perspective, the challenge is not an issue nor is that aspect of the "mode" misunderstood.....

My thing is, you "are" going to die in hardcore more.... That's it's design...... It's not designed for anyone to be a supreme ruler for eternity...... Based on my own personal experience, I cannot find motivation to keep playing HC mode if the only thing you can do is revive for plat and go for LB.... I like the purple name and all but, there is a disconnect.... Something is missing.... It's like a dog chasing it's tail...... You "have it" because it's "right there" but, you never "get it" because the dog never gets it's own tail...... Just seems there is a missing ingredient.... Just my "feedback/opinion"

He or she who is having a blast playing HC, more power to em.... I personally would prefer to level ALTs ATM.

[Xxfaithfulxx]

Make it possible to loot arcane and mythic items also, or put vendors for hardcore players to buy gears. And possibly a system to earn gold in hardcore mode.
Thank you.

[Abuze]

Well if that is your definition of fun then good for you.

Plat cannot buy skills nor kill bosses, it only help you with few higher stats. There are many ways to top that for free, but I dont think a kitty play-style will need any of my tips. GL :encouragement:

No offense but this isn't exactly the type of game where you need skill, all you need a functioning brain and money, nothing else. Hence why lots of players r attracted to AL, it's easy.
Then again there are those who use shadow bomb as a rogue and heal on mages :( so guessing a properly functioning brain is rather rare.

[Antispace]

How dare you insulting my belived Shadow Storm Shot with ur bad words! ;-;

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[Abuze]

How dare you insulting my belived Shadow Storm Shot with ur bad words! ;-;

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Syre, I said the bomb ;-;
Yk I'd never insult precious SSS :(

[PsychoNuke]

No offense but this isn't exactly the type of game where you need skill, all you need a functioning brain and money, nothing else. Hence why lots of players r attracted to AL, it's easy.

oh ok, I am sorry, so which one you lack? a functioning brain or money? I mean what is the fuss about?



Then again there are those who use shadow bomb as a rogue and heal on mages :( so guessing a properly functioning brain is rather rare.
Dont play with those players. You play your game the way you like and let others play how they want to play. Simple :)

[Abuze]

oh ok, I am sorry, so which one you lack? a functioning brain or money? I mean what is the fuss about?


Dont play with those players. You play your game the way you like and let others play how they want to play. Simple :)

Neither and I don't but you mentioned skill so :P

[PsychoNuke]

Neither and I don't but you mentioned skill so :P

Skill: The ability to do something well; expertise.
I think the ability to stay alive facing hard bosses with bad gears is a skill on its own, but then that's just my way.

[Hiqen]

Please make it so you dont have to be level 71 to start i just got back into the game

[Mitsooos]

Hardcore mode is blast from the past back to 2011 the year I start this game!
My opinion about the game was: making friends,playing quest, have fun!
But the most bad thing for this mode for me is that when you die you don’t lose only your items or pets!
You losing your FRIENDS and the ability to look in your friend list and invite them again!

I wish to have a afterlife mode (for dead hardcore players) to traveling around Arlor and bother the living XD

[Dalmony]

I think everyone understands the "challenge" aspect of "HC" mode..... From my perspective, the challenge is not an issue nor is that aspect of the "mode" misunderstood.....

My thing is, you "are" going to die in hardcore more.... That's it's design...... It's not designed for anyone to be a supreme ruler for eternity...... Based on my own personal experience, I cannot find motivation to keep playing HC mode if the only thing you can do is revive for plat and go for LB.... I like the purple name and all but, there is a disconnect.... Something is missing.... It's like a dog chasing it's tail...... You "have it" because it's "right there" but, you never "get it" because the dog never gets it's own tail...... Just seems there is a missing ingredient.... Just my "feedback/opinion"

He or she who is having a blast playing HC, more power to em.... I personally would prefer to level ALTs ATM.

IMHO what’s missing is that it should provide something to the main character for major accomplishment (such as reaching level 71). An account wide title which can be worn on the main would motivate a lot more people to join & persist in hc. A vanity delivered to stash would also be a nice touch.

[Lichqueen]

İf we dont die in pvp it'll be better.( pls evaluate this)

[Alkif]

Decided to start playing this game again because of hardcore release just to find out that you need to be level 71 to enable it. I stopped playing at 66 cap and I am sorry, but why do I have to level up to 71 to start over as a hardcore? There is no way I am going to grind 5 levels just to start playing the game. Please change it.

[Twomucho]

One thing I would like is for you to take away the pvp achievement points, instead let us enter pvp for fun and the deaths not count. It will benefit the community by letting us have some fun and see what pvp is truly made of, it will benefit you bc I think it may bring to light some ways to actually get twinks back going and maybe even balance it in all aspects, ty in advance

[Majin]

Any chances of decreasing level 71 eligibility to 61-66?

If yes then yup make hardcore PVP as Win loss instead kill death.
Hardcore mode is already about own loots, and so it's kinda self balanced PvP.

Win loss PvP will also encourage players to buy pets by plats for PvP .

[crudmudgeon]

Decided to start playing this game again because of hardcore release just to find out that you need to be level 71 to enable it. I stopped playing at 66 cap and I am sorry, but why do I have to level up to 71 to start over as a hardcore? There is no way I am going to grind 5 levels just to start playing the game. Please change it.5 levels was done in a week by many... 2weeks by most. You can make leaderboard in hardcore in 24hrs... not really missing much. If you had started last week you might have been done already

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[Futumsh]

Hardcore changes in the 2018-12-13 update:
+ Hardcore characters can now only permanently die in PvE zones (so you can pvp or click kraag cannons).
+ Hardcore characters no longer go through the tutorial.
+ Klaas and Shazbot no longer give Ankhs to Hardcore characters.

[BobDehBuilder]

hey, can you make hardcore plat-free in terms of gear/pets/store etc but the revival is ok i think in order to make it more hardcore you know ;p,
-maybe can we have adjusted loot table/drop rate for HC or
-maybe farmable currency w/ npc trader especifically for HC(i think because we will not be farming gold to upgrade gear) or
-maybe an item(gear) upgrade system which is similar to upgrading jewels :D,
-also maybe hidden unknown discoverable side APs,
-also HCC bound vanities that are glowing hehe would be cool too :D

[Alkif]

I have a job, I can't grind 24 hrs a day, and I see no point leveling up so high when all I want to do is play hardcore, I have 0 interesest in normal mode. So I wont come back unless they change it.

[Banana101]

Hey folks, please use this thread as consolidated feedback for us for Hardcore mode.

What is working, what is not, and what else does it need?

Thanks!

- g

Make pvp for hardcore characters it Would be so fun for hardcore characters to find and upgrade their gear to pvp at a certain level without losing everything after they die


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[Justg]

Make pvp for hardcore characters it Would be so fun for hardcore characters to find and upgrade their gear to pvp at a certain level without losing everything after they die

You can PvP as a hardcore now:


Hardcore changes in the 2018-12-13 update:
+ Hardcore characters can now only permanently die in PvE zones (so you can pvp or click kraag cannons).
+ Hardcore characters no longer go through the tutorial.
+ Klaas and Shazbot no longer give Ankhs to Hardcore characters.

[Fyrce]

What grinding from L66 to L71?

My warrior got to L71 just doing daily xp quests. Turned in quests using xp lix from elite runner chests, 19% xp from equips, and Abaddon. Got 40k-50k xp from quests. Some days I did all quests; some days I just did the fast ones first. Quests in under an hour a day; mostly solo.

Did the whole thing in under a month, including taking weeks off.

What grinding?

[Alkif]

What grinding from L66 to L71?

My warrior got to L71 just doing daily xp quests. Turned in quests using xp lix from elite runner chests, 19% xp from equips, and Abaddon. Got 40k-50k xp from quests. Some days I did all quests; some days I just did the fast ones first. Quests in under an hour a day; mostly solo.

Did the whole thing in under a month, including taking weeks off.

What grinding?

All those hours wasted, just so I could start playing again? I could spent thouse hours on hc mode instead of leveling up character I am never going to play again. I see alot of people playing a white knight for sts and protecting this idea so Ill stop complaining now. If they think it invites more people to play hc mode then good for them.

[Stonedincali]

Drop the required 71, let more people enjoy the fun! Mostly the people who play HC mode are older players who know the game well. So why not give the newer members of the game enjoy the thrill of fear! Haha.
I do wish I could use one of my vanities from the stash, and gift others the gear I can't use, but keep it up!
Hardcore only needs more players!
Happy hunting all...
Stonedincali

[Majin]

Devs, A clear answer about level cap requirements would be appreciated.

Many players wants to play hardcore but they are clearly not in mood/condition/able in leveling main toon to 71...

We will love to play HC if level cap required drops to 61-66max.

I will also love it if there are few exclusive trophies only available in HC mode at different levels (like boss trophy :D Arcanite Boss trophies) which CAN BE STASHED to use in main character house..

[murte]

yes sts plz make it lvl 61 or 66 to be able to make a hc toon

[Catiion]

I find thats a very nice mode. Have some death but thats the fun :)

[Glixr]

Any chance I can get back all the legendary rogue and mage items and duplicate eggs my hc warrior has sold? I had looted some pretty sweet stuff I thought I'd never use.

[Raziast]

1: I died 1 hit because of that 2nd map troll boss in Tindrin @ lvl 49 within first 3-4 days. and i heard that it's a bug that can even kill lvl 71 normal chars.

2: Please make sure that there are no bugs in hc mode, because we have 1 life only.

3: I noticed that i was getting good drops on my first try. For some reason it is getting difficult to keep up because of no good drops on my 2nd try. so i stopped at lvl 41.

4: Further more is that random gear drops we get should be class specific only.

5: Dropping Arcane and set items specifically in hc mode will make it more playable.(drops should be rare ofc)

6: Doing mausoleum with hc characters sounds impossible because of mage mob curse. can you nerf it?

7: Only rouge managed to get to lvl 71 used uncountable plats to get there. do we really need to pay that much?

[beastsharky]

I think hardcore mode so waste of time
The normal mode is dead make it more active


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[Raziast]

1: I died 1 hit at 2nd map of tindrin from troll boss @ lvl 49 in first 3-4 days. I heard the reason is a bug that can kill even 71 lvl normal characters.
2: Make sure to fix these kind of bugs considering we have 1 life only.
3: Getting at lvl 71 without xp elxiers seems to take ages, More frequent xp elxier rewards from allies in HC mode would be appreciated.
4: Arcane and set loots in elite maps (should be rare ofc) would be good for HC mode because there is no other way to get them but using platinum. Which is very unfair for non-plat users.
5: Similarly enable Mythic and Arcane egg drops with high rarity for HC mode. At least make it possible so players can have a good reason to farm more.
6: The only rouge managed to get at lvl 71 with full nightmare set and arcane pet used uncountable amount of platinum, do we really have to pay that much?
7: Doing mausoleum sounds impossible because of mage mob curse. nerf it's curse for HC mode so character don't die by hitting it once.
8: Those are some reason that made me give up on playing HC mode, please make it a bit more enjoyable. :)

[Kiditachi]

Increase the loot tables for eggs and gold drop

[danishahmed]

EXPANSION!!

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[PatD]

Thank very much for that but please make hc banner stashable! :)

[Gaprisha]

Klass seems to give me more eggs on my main than on my hc. In a span of a month ish, Ive gotten just 2 eggs compared to 6 or 7 or more on my main where I dont even need them :/

And please remove deaths from cannons in kraag. If perma deaths from pvp can be removed then its makes no sense to perma die from canons. Some of us would really like to do the daily that requires canons to get the pet cinder. But perma death from it for just a simple daily quest is heartbreaking.

[Kakashis]

I was doing fine at level 66. I got one hit by Hugal boss not even in charge mode. Just one normal hit and GG. Hardcore mode was fun while it lasted, but death is inevitable either to bugged bosses or ping. I won't pay or start over again. It would be nice if characters in HC were reserrected once a year or something xD

[mintarlay]

too many wave.zzz

[Stonedincali]

Stash is pretty much useless. What's the point of having it?
We worked together as a guild, we should be able to share in the rewards. Stashing old kit and gifting it to mates would make hard core much more of a team effort.
At least let us stash and retrieve our Jewels, it's hard enough to manage the micro space available for Craft items.
Just my opinion, I'm loving the challenge of hard core and more so the collaboration between guild mates to grind it out.
My thoughts are only to promote this part of the game while maintaining the integrity of end game.
Happy hunting all...
Stonedincali

[Shakes]

Awesome when boring, love hardcore!

[Ygadaikto]

I just played in hardcore mode, eventually the server went down, and I was killed. It's not very pleasant when you die not for your own reason, but because there were problems with the game server! Ps with my internet was all right!

[Ygadaikto]

174909something like this

[Jakubson]

You can know game well and still u will die because of bugs. i died at lvl66 at winter event from second boss. when huge red pool appears i start run to safe zone. was there 2sec with ping +-150 and still i was killed with one hit.

im okay with that. what im not ok is 1600 plat revieve. everything in your game started be plat consuming.

[ndyfixer]

Idk when u started to play this game, but it changed quite alot lately. I remember grinding elite nest for mali and km3 / brackenridge for lockeds. Sometimes Antee for the jaws. Or even farming Elite Bael in Mt Spyr or at Harbour. And when I play Hardcore mode now I remember that time which makes me happy...

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[ndyfixer]

Just need auction.. Cant trade is ok.. Just auction..

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[Repeat]

Didn't read all suggestions so maybe I double some stuff already said but here is my feedback after nearly 4 seasons.

First thing I rly love hardcore mode and nearly totally stopped normal mode since this one is released. It's a great kick and full of challenges and adrenaline for those who played normal mode many years and want the last and ultimative arcane legends challenge<3

But some things could be improved in the future.

1. I'd like to see an event leaderboard for hardcore players to run with unstashable rewards cuz we can't catch up with normal who can use gold to buy energy and run with speed n maxxed stats.

2.pls make events playable for hardcore at all cuz stuff to loot is rare in hardcore and missing whole events cuz they are too risky even for the top of hardcore hurts. I like that the difficult is scaled up for normal mode cuz many were bored by too easy events but in hc we got totally different state of gear and all.

3. Pls remove the stuff that is unusable or unobtainable from hardcore mode. Remove the aps for trading and auction and ankhs and all cuz it again evolves this copy n paste feeling.

4. The lack of player base is really a problem maybe some exclusive hardcore content could motivate more ppl to join but I think leaderboards should already solve this problem too.

That's all so far:) thanks for reading, bye.

[QuaseT]

Didn't read all suggestions so maybe I double some stuff already said but here is my feedback after nearly 4 seasons.

First thing I rly love hardcore mode and nearly totally stopped normal mode since this one is released. It's a great kick and full of challenges and adrenaline for those who played normal mode many years and want the last and ultimative arcane legends challenge<3

But some things could be improved in the future.

1. I'd like to see an event leaderboard for hardcore players to run with unstashable rewards cuz we can't catch up with normal who can use gold to buy energy and run with speed n maxxed stats.

2.pls make events playable for hardcore at all cuz stuff to loot is rare in hardcore and missing whole events cuz they are too risky even for the top of hardcore hurts. I like that the difficult is scaled up for normal mode cuz many were bored by too easy events but in hc we got totally different state of gear and all.

3. Pls remove the stuff that is unusable or unobtainable from hardcore mode. Remove the aps for trading and auction and ankhs and all cuz it again evolves this copy n paste feeling.

4. The lack of player base is really a problem maybe some exclusive hardcore content could motivate more ppl to join but I think leaderboards should already solve this problem too.

That's all so far:) thanks for reading, bye.Your suggestions are on point. Would love to see those changes for hardcore mode.