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[LegendaryLeo]

if an officer who was promoted under voluntary will by the master begins to kick players who are offline for days, and then leaves the guild, is the officer committing an act which is deemed offensive? I do not see how this is so considering the master must have certain relational trust with the officer to allow this irregardless the masters' consent...

[arcanefid]

I agree. When promoting someone to officer the master should be aware of the "power" that can be misused.

Edit: What I said above doesn't mean I would be OK with that though, any officer doing that kind of thing must be some spoiled kid that doesn't deserve to have any friend or be in a guild. huhuhuh. It's the same thing as scamming.

[Kingumar]

Avaree (Chivalrous Union's Guild Master) kicks a lot of inactive people out of the guild. It is healthy for the guild, the kicked people can always join back If they ever become active again.

There is no point of having inactive players. And Guildmaster promote people to officer knowing the consequences, they only promote those who they trust. They trust them enough to make them officer and give them the right to kick people.

If you want to blame anyone, blame the guildmaster for promoting them to officer lol.

Sry Ava for mentioning you here xD.

Peace

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[LegendaryLeo]

so technically speaking for an officer to kick a few people with or without masters' consent is NOT bannable? no matter how subjective...

[Kingumar]

so technically speaking for an officer to kick a few people with or without masters' consent is NOT bannable? no matter how subjective...Not bannable, master isn't always online so they have the authority to kick people whenever they want, that is what is meant to be a officer.

If an officer needs master's permission to kick then what's the point of a officer?, the master can kick himself lol.

That is why you only make people who you trust and who are loyal officers.

Peace

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[LegendaryLeo]

Thank you for your opinion. The rest of the space is still reserved for idealists who feel they would like to participate in this conversation.

[Motherless_Child]

so technically speaking for an officer to kick a few people with or without masters' consent is NOT bannable? no matter how subjective...

Not bannable..... If a certain "player" commits the act "chronically", they'd most likely be considered a distraction and action may possibly occur then.....

But in your case, you probably just got a "quickie" from some drunk or stoner who was looking to entertain themselves via stupidity.......

LOL.....

[LegendaryLeo]

You mention action ? what type of action>?

[Motherless_Child]

Any excessive misbehavior or misconduct can lead to perm or temp bans, I assume....

[LegendaryLeo]

if it was just a one time only kick all, does it count?

[arcanefid]

if it was just a one time only kick all, does it count?

Lol, did you kick everyone from a guild and are now trying to find out if you will be banned?

[LegendaryLeo]

All the inactives, yes. but uninformed.

[arcanefid]

All the inactives, yes. but uninformed.

Well then it's more like a personal thing between you and your master, maybe you should talk it out with him/her instead of asking here. The worst thing you'll get is get kicked from the guild or be demoted. I don't think you would get banned from the game for that, no worries.

But things like removing all the members with the purpose of destroying a guild might be a different story.

[LegendaryLeo]

i kicked all those whom are offline for the sake of trying to give more active people a chance to join. Then he raged and reported and i left.

[arcanefid]

i kicked all those whom are offline for the sake of trying to give more active people a chance to join. Then he raged and reported and i left.

Lol. You know people need to go offline sometimes. Looks like a bad decision.

Anyway, it's always good to discuss things with your friends/fellow officers/gm before taking action, no need to be hasty.

[Chenie]

i kicked all those whom are offline for the sake of trying to give more active people a chance to join. Then he raged and reported and i left.

Does that guild have rules related to offline grace period ? normally Master and Officers agree on grace periods for inactive people (often between 60/90 days of inactivity).
Then, if the rules are there, officers should stick to it.

Otherwise every officer (and master) will come with what they feel is "proper", which is completely subjective and not correct for the guild mates.

[Avaree]

Any excessive misbehavior or misconduct can lead to perm or temp bans, I assume....

Yes players have been banned for mass booting or "nuking a guild"

[LegendaryLeo]

there was no rules, The master gave me officer voluntarily and probably hastily.

[LegendaryLeo]

i wouldnt say 20-30 people is 'mass booting' right?

[Tippertwo]

i wouldnt say 20-30 people is 'mass booting' right?
But still, it is best for the master to do the kicking since they ultimately make the decisions. Officers kick if someone is disobeying the masters’ rules. I doubt your master would want you to go kicking people. They would probably demote you lol.

EDIT: it’s considered “mass booting” depending on how many ppl are in your guild. For example, if there were 40 ppl total in your guild, and you kicked 30, that’s still considered mass booting.

If you feel like some ppl are inactive and want to kick, the best thing you can possible do is to consult the master about it.

[Tippertwo]

there was no rules, The master gave me officer voluntarily and probably hastily
What are you planning to do...

[LegendaryLeo]

i dont know

[Java]

there was no rules, The master gave me officer voluntarily and probably hastily.I think this commemt pretty much shows your true colors. Blame the guild master...no personal responsibility for your actions. Then you come on here and try to C.Y.A. with these 'justifications'.

Good luck to you.

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[LegendaryLeo]

the master gave it out of his or her own will. I took matters in my own hands and kicked those players, i do not understand why you would say such a thing....
I kicked because he infuriated me, and it was of my own failure of self control as well as the beforehand need to want to invite new players as aforementioned tht made me do so.

[Motherless_Child]

i wouldnt say 20-30 people is 'mass booting' right?

I am just going to answer this question according to logic..............

Booting 20 - 30 people from a guild (no matter the guild size) without GM discussion/approval "IS" considered mass booting......

Boot 1 - 2 people, probably not a biggie because even if it's not a preferred boot, 1 - 2 people can be easily reconnected with... 20 - 30 people on the other hand is way too many without GM intervention... You should know better.......

[Flamesofanger]

there was no rules, The master gave me officer voluntarily and probably hastily.


the master gave it out of his or her own will. I took matters in my own hands and kicked those players, i do not understand why you would say such a thing....
I kicked because he infuriated me, and it was of my own failure of self control as well as the beforehand need to want to invite new players as aforementioned tht made me do so.

I hope you learnt something from your mistakes.

It is human nature to have strong feelings. But at times it's better to act professional, then to take quick action without a second thought.

With great power comes great responsibility. And you didn't follow through.

I wish the best of luck to the guild that suffered a massive loss in members, i hope the guild rebuilds in a healthy pace.

PS: Please, do not ever kick Inactive. Members. Without the masters official permission.

[LegendaryLeo]

If you call that great power and are unable to differentiate the clarity of hastiness with true responsibility, then you do not truly understand my case.

[LegendaryLeo]

You know what there isnt a point in this, i just bring trouble wherever i go. Sorry all to have taken so much of your time. I will just quit and never come back again.

[Flamesofanger]

You know what there isnt a point in this, i just bring trouble wherever i go. Sorry all to have taken so much of your time. I will just quit and never come back again.

Do not think like this, do not let the guilt consume you.

Everyone makes a mistake, you didn't know any better.

Failure makes us stronger. We learn from our errors.

Everyone deserves a second chance.

[LegendaryLeo]

Then how should i think?

[Tippertwo]

You know what there isnt a point in this, i just bring trouble wherever i go. Sorry all to have taken so much of your time. I will just quit and never come back again.
I don’t understand...if you were planning on kicking members, you pretty much let the WHOLE FORUMS know what you were about to do. As the OP said, you’ve truly shown your colors.
Kicking ppl from guilds like that is just mean and in my mind, a sin. Of course, that is human nature.

[sier]

You know what there isnt a point in this, i just bring trouble wherever i go. Sorry all to have taken so much of your time. I will just quit and never come back again.

It's just a game. what is done is done. You had good intentions but did not get desired result. let this be a lesson and be careful in the future :)

[Java]

Instead of kicking inactives, you should have tried recruiting active players. It just sounds like you were acting spiteful and good luck ever being trusted to be an officer in any guild. This is so typical, people complain about problems and never want to put in the hard work to make change. You just kicked inactives so the guild master is forced to recruit new players instead of working to recruit new guild members, which should be one of the responsibilities of an officer. Instead you used your little bit of power and made a real mess. Petty.

There is no justification for this.

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[LegendaryLeo]

It is not of my own desire to have done this but the compelling hate i had for the person afterall, i have been absorbing all of that since the start say whatever u want, be the judicious people you all aspire to be, judge as you wish, but this is my reasoning afterall the word 'kick; itself is an unpleasant word, so it brings about all sorts of innocuous thinking. The undying fact is that if the master has given a person the role of an officer there is no disputing the fact that even after any sort of arguments he or she as a master would have the free moral choice to demote or not, and all this couldve been done way before. In another sense, whatever the reason for kicking is purely keen on guesses as you do not know the true intentions of my heart. For this saying, i will close this thread to avoid any more unnecessary conversations from here on forth, Please do not take this personal, and if you are so 'righteous' at heart, i hope you do empathize with someone who similar to you, couldve made the correct decisions but under pressure, did not.

[LegendaryLeo]

I think this commemt pretty much shows your true colors. Blame the guild master...no personal responsibility for your actions. Then you come on here and try to C.Y.A. with these 'justifications'.

Good luck to you.

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Precisely why my inadequacy in explaining the situation has led to your misunderstanding and the double whammy occurrence here lies in the fact that the abovementioned statement which i have aforementioned, is true. There wasnt enough relationship nor loyalty for a 'proper' officer role passover, but he or she did it out of their own free will. Yes very weird it sounds but im reasoning with a little logic here that no matter what the idea that an officer has the ability to kick does not put in play the so called 'unwritten' idea that the officer must first ask the master. If the power an officer has to discern and make decisions to kick is identical to what a master has, this shows that any decision made by the officer need not be verified or informed to the master as he or she is now second in command, or first when the master isnt around. it is all relative, afterall. Do not confuse normality and trendy behavior and thinking to be of rational thinking.

[Tippertwo]

It is not of my own desire to have done this but the compelling hate i had for the person afterall, i have been absorbing all of that since the start say whatever u want, be the judicious people you all aspire to be, judge as you wish, but this is my reasoning afterall the word 'kick; itself is an unpleasant word, so it brings about all sorts of innocuous thinking. The undying fact is that if the master has given a person the role of an officer there is no disputing the fact that even after any sort of arguments he or she as a master would have the free moral choice to demote or not, and all this couldve been done way before. In another sense, whatever the reason for kicking is purely keen on guesses as you do not know the true intentions of my heart. For this saying, i will close this thread to avoid any more unnecessary conversations from here on forth, Please do not take this personal, and if you are so 'righteous' at heart, i hope you do empathize with someone who similar to you, couldve made the correct decisions but under pressure, did not.
Now you say “the person” but before you were talking about kicking 20-30 members.
And im sure most of us here won’t go around kicking members as you’ve talked about lol. I emphasize with the person who’s guild may have potentially been destroyed.

[LegendaryLeo]

i was saying 'similar' to you. You have probably mistaken and not just that, have an already biased lens towards how you view all of this.
Read again, if you cannot comprehend the true intent of what the message is saying, forget it. Thank you

PS the person is the master.

[shadowronn]

Anyone remember purple thunder ? lb guild?

[PostNoob]

Umm.. Id say you should stay at recruiter level if little things set you off, and you precede to take it out on the guild.

To be an officer you should be mature, understanding, helpful and friendly.

There should be an option(made by the gm, like a switch) to turn off and on booting of guildmates. I know, there could be problems with it, but isnt that true about everything...

[alxe]

Well this convo went on for a while, lemme tell u this ive been an officer in multiple guilds and a GM. In each one of these guilds when i kicked some1 i kicked based on the rules, or in some other cases after a discussion with other officers/gm. In each one i was aware of the rules, and yeah my first promotion was in a guild with literally 4k+ members and 3k+ are inactive. The gm just promoted me "coz why not" so i didnt exactly deserve it or earnd trust but i did my best. I never went on kicking inactives even tho i couldve and it would prolly boost us up in LB but since they were there forever untouched what right do i have to kick them? A bunch of ppl have works and schools to attend they go off here and there. I think you shouldve consulted before kicking, and your gm shouldve made it clear about what you can and cant do as an officer. The next time u go to a guild or get promoted remember this incident.


And this thing exsisted as long as i remember btw, the whole misunderstanding-why was i promoted then-maybe u get mad and kick all members kind of things

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[PsychoNuke]

After reading all the posts I understand that the guild master of the said guild is responsible for everything that happened. Post #34 and #35 presents wider perspective. Hope all newbie GMs learn from this thread, if not then I hope they learn from such experience.

Kindly lock/close the thread as asked by OP. Ty.