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Hi there
Hope you all enjoy Rogues temple Challenge..
Mages are over looked in this event. Even with top gears mages still are not welcomed in party unless its 3 rogue / 1 mage.
Group lb already limited for full rog pt or 1tank_3 rog pt...
A solution for future could be a party buff if party consisted of all classes. A damage buff that would be superior of an all rogue party.
Another solution..
Sts can make a limit for parties..
1 tank_2rog_1 mage..
or whatever ..
it would end of Classism ... and allows All classes to enjoy event
ty for reading
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Not sure cuz i'm a warrior and don't know anything about other class but from what i have heard, people don't invite often mage because many mage don't understand that they have to not use anything that stun or slow or freeze etc.. or else it make ebon reflective weapon proc useless, i think it is the main reason, but i see plenty of mage who understand that who get invite as often as other class, maybe i'm wrong tho
Not sure cuz i'm a warrior and don't know anything about other class but from what i have heard, people don't invite often mage because many mage don't understand that they have to not use anything that stun or slow or freeze etc.. or else it make ebon reflective weapon proc useless, i think it is the main reason, but i see plenty of mage who understand that who get invite as often as other class, maybe i'm wrong tho
Its very true that a lot are still trying to be mage.... Stun, freeze etc.
The ebon weapons/armors have made it very hard to be a crowd control mage, we don't have the DPS/DMG to be as useful as a rogue and nowhere near enough armor/hp to tank.
Go make a dps mage without any stun/freeze effects, not easy.
Fireball - w/out stun
Lightning - (I don't think anyone uses
stun)
Timeshift - No mastery
Wind...oh wait basic attack stun, OK so Ice...oh wait basic attack freeze OK so curse it is...na why curse when I have ebon...shield..hmm na not for pve + many shield pets...lifegiver lmao.
Sts needs to look at mage class... But I'm in no rush tbh, don't mind being weak nab when I can blame it on my class xD
Bluehazee
06-17-2019, 08:03 AM
Not sure cuz i'm a warrior and don't know anything about other class but from what i have heard, people don't invite often mage because many mage don't understand that they have to not use anything that stun or slow or freeze etc.. or else it make ebon reflective weapon proc useless, i think it is the main reason, but i see plenty of mage who understand that who get invite as often as other class, maybe i'm wrong tho
Cmon hanu XD
How many mages you see in top10 team?
Last temple event there were 2 different team lb (pure & enhanced) , so this means 40 spots in top10. Do you know how many mages finished event in top 10? JUST 2/40!!! (btw i was one of them and i got carried 100%, idk about the other mage) Does this means that only 2 mages in whole game understand that stun is bad for ebons? Only 2 mages know their job (which is wrong since mage is supposed to stun, freeze, root, etc but now we cant because due to ebon procs we 'sabotage' runs) and all good players are warrior/rogue?
I dont think a pt buff is best solution, maybe yes but not what is needed. Just need balance between classes. We all understand that is impossible to have perfect balance but cmon....current gap is ridiculous.
Only 2 mages know their job (which is wrong since mage is supposed to stun, freeze, root, etc but now we cant because due to ebon procs we 'sabotage' runs) and all good players are warrior/rogue?
I dont think a pt buff is best solution, maybe yes but not what is needed. Just need balance between classes. We all understand that is impossible to have perfect balance but cmon....current gap is ridiculous.
@Futumsh
Frozen, stunnned, rooted enemies now have a 10% chance per tick to proc ebon reflect + armor proc
*Wakes up*
:'(
will0
06-17-2019, 08:51 AM
They will reply this is not a bug... Movung to suggestions... Gg mage ebon staff and armor both inferior process to mage..
Cmon hanu XD
How many mages you see in top10 team?
Last temple event there were 2 different team lb (pure & enhanced) , so this means 40 spots in top10. Do you know how many mages finished event in top 10? JUST 2/40!!! (btw i was one of them and i got carried 100%, idk about the other mage) Does this means that only 2 mages in whole game understand that stun is bad for ebons? Only 2 mages know their job (which is wrong since mage is supposed to stun, freeze, root, etc but now we cant because due to ebon procs we 'sabotage' runs) and all good players are warrior/rogue?
I dont think a pt buff is best solution, maybe yes but not what is needed. Just need balance between classes. We all understand that is impossible to have perfect balance but cmon....current gap is ridiculous.
You are 100% right Blue, what i say is they don't get invite exactly because of that incompatibility of skill, as for the one who know how to do it i was thinking exactly about you who made it to top 10, but like i said i don't know nothing about mage and rogue, was just stating what i was hearing, but also, u have made 25k pts solo as a mage, mean its possible to be op as a mage too, i guess that if run with warr who use only ebon sword and tb it can make a really successful pt? never try but it should imo
so maybe the solution would be to give more efficient damaging skill to mage? skill that don't freeze or stun?
Azerothraven
06-17-2019, 09:04 AM
Yea sts the game isnt called Rogue Legends
Perceval
06-17-2019, 09:30 AM
Yea sts the game isnt called Rogue Legends
Many were happy calling it that till now though.
Im totally sure, im using correct skills without stun or freeze..
i think most of mages know How to Make right skills , but this problem isn't include only SKILLS, then main reason is stat..
my full mire set Max dps is 7.7 k
and around 6.3k dmg.. so there is no reason to invite a mage while they can pick a rog with +15k dps...
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Bluehazee
06-17-2019, 09:45 AM
You are 100% right Blue, what i say is they don't get invite exactly because of that incompatibility of skill, as for the one who know how to do it i was thinking exactly about you who made it to top 10, but like i said i don't know nothing about mage and rogue, was just stating what i was hearing, but also, u have made 25k pts solo as a mage, mean its possible to be op as a mage too, i guess that if run with warr who use only ebon sword and tb it can make a really successful pt? never try but it should imo
so maybe the solution would be to give more efficient damaging skill to mage? skill that don't freeze or stun?
I dont think skills dmg is main problem, although atm 2 mages skills need a major buff : curse and lightning.
Imo what makes difference in elite or endgame maps are procs. Maybe rogue remains as dmg based class but i don't think same about pve mages/warriors. Ebon aegis is perfect example : not high dps weapon but with that reflection wrecks mobs, bosses, everything.
Like i said in another post, ebon armor doesn't benefit mages as much as others classes if running in pt. Mage is not supposed to take dmg like tanks or daggs rogue, but we find that ebon equipment is meant to work in that way (not only is against mage role, also worst % reflection of all). I see warriors taunting and exterminating everything with both procs, rogues being op as usual and mages mere spectators in every single map.
Im not sure about how to fix this and balance game, but maybe diff procs based on each class attributes/roles can be a good start.
Alwarez
06-17-2019, 09:46 AM
Im totally sure, im using correct skills without stun or freeze..
i think most of mages know How to Make right skills , but this problem isn't include only SKILLS, then main reason is stat..
my full mire set Max dps is 7.7 k
and around 6.3k dmg.. so there is no reason to invite a mage while they can pick a rog with +15k dps...
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Your dps is 8k and you want to be invited in 15k party. You didn't spend on gear as much as them and you want to run as effective as them, ridiculous.
The entire reason behind this thread is that mages don't want to upgrade their toons like rogues do and prefer spending all resources on gl and shiny vanities.
Your dps is 8k and you want to be invited in 15k party. You didn't spend on gear as much as them and you want to run as effective as them, ridiculous.that's not my answer buddy , i want a fair challenge.. im sure my stat is Op as my class, but they look for maximum damage and thats how top 25 full of rogs
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Your dps is 8k and you want to be invited in 15k party. You didn't spend on gear as much as them and you want to run as effective as them, ridiculous.
The entire reason behind this thread is that mages don't want to upgrade their toons like rogues do and prefer spending all resources on gl and shiny vanities.
Oh look, someone who never made or played mage class.
Bluehazee
06-17-2019, 09:56 AM
Your dps is 8k and you want to be invited in 15k party. You didn't spend on gear as much as them and you want to run as effective as them, ridiculous.
The entire reason behind this thread is that mages don't want to upgrade their toons like rogues do and prefer spending all resources on gl and shiny vanities.
Wooohoo you around again, missed you! I always laugh when i read you
Want me to post ss of my gear so you can judge before say same stupidities as usual? And we can compare it to rogues/warrs in top spots, or we can compare it with yours if you want
PD : for everyone who doesn't know this player, he has been saying non sense stuff last years about mages being op and rogues crying in a corner, while other rogues WHO KNOW HOW TO PLAY stayed quiet and enjoying game
merlintrue
06-17-2019, 10:03 AM
Mage lives matter!!
Alwarez
06-17-2019, 10:05 AM
Wooohoo you around again, missed you! I always laugh when i read you
Want me to post ss of my gear so you can judge before say same stupidities as usual? And we can compare it to rogues/warrs in top spots, or we can compare it with yours if you want
PD : for everyone who doesn't know this player, he has been saying non sense stuff last years about mages being op and rogues crying in a corner, while other rogues WHO KNOW HOW TO PLAY stayed quiet and enjoying game
Chill out keyboard warrior. Let's compare your gears with top rogue spots. And no exclamation marks and caps lock please.
Edit: this is just a waste of my time, since you can just run to your friend who farmed their gear instead of crying here and borrow their items.
Your dps is 8k and you want to be invited in 15k party. You didn't spend on gear as much as them and you want to run as effective as them, ridiculous.
The entire reason behind this thread is that mages don't want to upgrade their toons like rogues do and prefer spending all resources on gl and shiny vanities.so you think i don't want spend money on gears and look for shinny vanities and gold loot gear? May i see your toon please? really want to see someones stat who tt others
you Have to be Dope on stat with that much confidence
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Bluehazee
06-17-2019, 10:15 AM
chill out keyboard warrior. Let's compare your gears with top rogue spots. And no exclamation marks and caps lock please.
Edit: This is just a waste of my time, since you can just run to your friend who farmed their gear instead of crying here and borrow their items.
xdddddddddd
Grimcry
06-17-2019, 10:17 AM
Mage class is severely overlooked
Strike
06-17-2019, 11:10 AM
As i told b4 in forum ..mage class is pure waste now..ebons making mage even worst..crowd control is no uss at all since ebon ruining the game..although how high n op dps a mage got that mage cant even do as much dmg as average geared rogue..basically for new players..dont pick mage since mages r not invited to most maps..
*everything base on my own experience
Flamesofanger
06-17-2019, 12:06 PM
Interesting thread. Very interesting.
I wonder. What the future holds for us? I guess we'll have to wait and see. :)
arcanefid
06-17-2019, 01:12 PM
Interesting thread. Very interesting.
I wonder. What the future holds for us? I guess we'll have to wait and see. :)
The future? New 7/7 Set, all with 0 stats and terrible looks, but if you wear them all at once, they become beautiful and everyone around you dies. Each piece comes from a different kind of lock and is rare as f tho. :P
Flamesofanger
06-17-2019, 04:03 PM
The future? New 7/7 Set, all with 0 stats and terrible looks, but if you wear them all at once, they become beautiful and everyone around you dies. Each piece comes from a different kind of lock and is rare as f tho. :P
5/5, 6/6, 7/7 Set gear bonus' that are only activated within specific zones, is very balanced and healthy.
But gear that is as powerful as all set gears we've ever gotten so far, combined all together. Into 1 piece of equipment. That can proc by just getting hit, anywhere you go.
Now that, is too concentrated.
Dev's. I hope you look very deep into this. Please guys, take this with a grain of salt.
There are so many unique proc's we could go for, like maybe a maul of Ollerus type of AoE proc? Anything other then "Power Creep" Statistical buffs.
(Power Creep: When an item has such a sudden increase via power, it becomes a requirement to keep adding items with such massive power gaps. Thus, turning out to be rather troublesome for new/old players to be on par, without being obsolete).
There are two sides to everything. This is merely my opinion. :)
Switchback
06-17-2019, 08:40 PM
Its nice to have each class at 71. That way youre ready for each meta that comes.
Korabiv
06-17-2019, 10:37 PM
The funny thing is, I would consider warriors weaker and more useless than mages. Only ebon (and maybe tb) warriors seem to have any value right now, and that’s not a very large percentage of warriors.
Mages were good in twilight expansion because of their op procs (mainly ds, but hex and immo were good too). But ever since those procs became obsolete, so did the class. Warriors were struggling greatly as well, until ebons were introduced and the proc made them all of a sudden op.
I feel like if we want this game to be balanced, sts needs to do exactly that: balance the classes. The proc of one weapon shouldn’t be the defining factor of a class. Each class should have value and be able to contribute regardless of using the “meta weapon”. Mages were deemed useless in maus if they didn’t have a ds. Warriors are deemed useless if they don’t have ebon. Rogues are good no matter what (even with all pink gears). Please sts, address the real problem at hand.
Kenny McCormick
06-17-2019, 11:04 PM
I blame the person who came up with the idea of ebon weapons, it's clear that he/she has no knowledge on how mage class plays in this game.
There are only 3 offensive mage spells that can be used without doing any kind of cc (even those skills have cc, but upgrades can be removed), that means we are limited to use only 3 skills in this event or anywhere we or our party is using ebon. That itself reduces our dps output. On top of that the ebon procs for dags does 3x more damage and aegis does 4x more damage vs ebon staffs in pve.
Now tell me why would anyone like to carry a mage in the group? Even the best geared mage is useless for damage based events. But who gives a crap? Devs certainly dont.
Forget group LB, there are less than 5 mages on solo LB who were able to kill all 4 bosses. And they were only able to do it because they were lucky enough to get the weapon/armor to proc.
Its a shame @Sts.
Forget group LB, there are less than 5 mages on solo LB who were able to kill all 4 bosses. And they were only able to do it because they were lucky enough to get the weapon/armor to proc.
Its a shame @Sts.
Killed boss 4 twice now, just haven't cleared the mobs in same wave. Boss doesn't give any more points than mobs which sucks as I'm one of the lowest scorers on wave 19 and probably performed the best.
Interesting thread. Very interesting.
I wonder. What the future holds for us? I guess we'll have to wait and see. :)i tell you what we'll see buddy, an expansion which make Rogs Super again , then they can vs Ebon Aegis tanks , and mages will be decorations as like always .. that's all
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Bluehazee
06-18-2019, 01:59 AM
Your dps is 8k and you want to be invited in 15k party. You didn't spend on gear as much as them and you want to run as effective as them, ridiculous.
The entire reason behind this thread is that mages don't want to upgrade their toons like rogues do and prefer spending all resources on gl and shiny vanities.
I just want to apologize for some words i used yesterday on my comments about you. I disagree with you 100% and many times i think you have been disrespectful to other ppl or mainly to certain class (idk why but is like something personal for you), but this is not a valid excuse for my behavior, and even if i consider your comments disrespectful or ridiculous, i shouldn't have been at same level. Yesterday wasn't a good day and now i think i made big mistake, so i use same social way to apologize.
Im sorry
Catabolgg
06-18-2019, 02:40 AM
I blame the person who came up with the idea of ebon weapons, it's clear that he/she has no knowledge on how mage class plays in this game.
There are only 3 offensive mage spells that can be used without doing any kind of cc (even those skills have cc, but upgrades can be removed), that means we are limited to use only 3 skills in this event or anywhere we or our party is using ebon. That itself reduces our dps output. On top of that the ebon procs for dags does 3x more damage and aegis does 4x more damage vs ebon staffs in pve.
Now tell me why would anyone like to carry a mage in the group? Even the best geared mage is useless for damage based events. But who gives a crap? Devs certainly dont.
Forget group LB, there are less than 5 mages on solo LB who were able to kill all 4 bosses. And they were only able to do it because they were lucky enough to get the weapon/armor to proc.
Its a shame @Sts.
Verry well said! Ty
Flamesofanger
06-18-2019, 03:08 AM
I blame the person who came up with the idea of ebon weapons, it's clear that he/she has no knowledge on how mage class plays in this game.
There are only 3 offensive mage spells that can be used without doing any kind of cc (even those skills have cc, but upgrades can be removed), that means we are limited to use only 3 skills in this event or anywhere we or our party is using ebon. That itself reduces our dps output. On top of that the ebon procs for dags does 3x more damage and aegis does 4x more damage vs ebon staffs in pve.
Now tell me why would anyone like to carry a mage in the group? Even the best geared mage is useless for damage based events. But who gives a crap? Devs certainly dont.
Forget group LB, there are less than 5 mages on solo LB who were able to kill all 4 bosses. And they were only able to do it because they were lucky enough to get the weapon/armor to proc.
Its a shame @Sts.
Ebon gears are far too complex to set foot in arlor, yet.
Ebon gears are just too concentrated, they need a complete revamp.
Imbalance & Chaos cannot be fixed by just simply adding even more powerful gears, thus the cycle never ends.
Remember the times when you could fight players without being worried of their weapons, deciding to proc "A reflective barrier"?
Remember when gears were meant to buff your stats by like 50 str/ or 5% armor? Instead of 30k+ Armor & 4/5k+ DMG/DPS in just 1 simple proc.
This game is not ready yet, to obtain such items. We haven't even hit level 100 cap like pocket legends. We aren't ripe enough.
^^^^^
This is just my opinion. Take it with a grain of salt.
serious-
06-18-2019, 04:07 AM
Normally sts makes a character stronger than the other at each expansion so each has a theme but yeah mages asses has been farmed up lately pvp and pve before mages were a need so as a rouge and tank each had a specific role in the party but now the dmg of the rouges exceeded the limit of power especially with the new gears thats why people like hartholwurm top lb mage quitted this week because of this disbalance if each character had a balance rank rating and can complete with the other characters it would be perfect its a 3 characters game not one
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Statsonly
06-18-2019, 04:31 AM
Someone mentioned mages don't spend, personally as a mage i can hit 13-14k dps and 10k damage and still get showed up by a rogue with 4k damage and 7k dps in any event or map. So what's the point of gearing to be op when 4 rogues solve everything? Swamp temple is bugged in many and "luck" gets u on lb not just pure "skill".
Catabolgg
06-18-2019, 05:18 AM
Someone mentioned mages don't spend, personally as a mage i can hit 13-14k dps and 10k damage and still get showed up by a rogue with 4k damage and 7k dps in any event or map. So what's the point of gearing to be op when 4 rogues solve everything? Swamp temple is bugged in many and "luck" gets u on lb not just pure "skill".
Yup rogues can do a lot more with lower gears.. and i'm also tired of running event 17-19 waves everytime to be just lucky to proc at the boss and get lb luck based..
Very interesting info *.*
a variety of character and equipment changes are being designed presently (largely in the interest of serving the 76 cap).
Very interesting info *.*tnx for resharing it here :)
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