View Full Version : The Future of Dealing with PvP and PvE Problems
Chaasivab
08-07-2019, 03:22 PM
This week on the forums has taught me that there is no way to really balance PvE and PvP right now because their agendas are very different. I think that in future caps we might need to consider the ability for PvE and PvP only gear dropping. You could make the drop rate of PvP gear a lot greater than PvE. Make the sets only use able in their respectful locations like when we had class specific drops.
The only down side to this could be how it might affect the market of the game, but this could be a good thing and help bring all this chaos to an end in the future. The PvE community wants a fun farming where gear is remotely hard to get and PvP just wants to get gear as fast and start killing in the arena. There has to be a way to help combat this chaos.
This sounds like a terrible idea
Chaasivab
08-07-2019, 03:25 PM
This sounds like a terrible idea
Great you said its terrible with no reason why your comment is absolutely pointless like most of what you say
Thank you next anyone else have actual substance to add
XghostzX
08-07-2019, 03:32 PM
This sounds like a terrible idea
It's not a bad idea.
I actually thing it's a great suggestion Chaa. I really just want to hop into that damn PvP arena...
Duckypowerz
08-07-2019, 03:34 PM
The balance is really simple.... make sets not crazy hard to obtain so pvp can become active within a reasonable time frame of cap release but at the same time offer new vanities that are difficult to farm for pve to still maintain its balance. I mean this was like 76 cap when we had plenty vanities to farm and sets were still abundant. Granted the community was larger then but still the task of a balanced pvp to pve isn’t very hard to imagine.
It's not a bad idea.
I actually thing it's a great suggestion Chaa. I really just want to hop into that damn PvP arena...
1. Given the lack of love PL is getting from sts, is this really a feasible answer? We can hardly get a platinum based map for this cap and you are asking them to build and test two separate gear sets? Seems highly unlikely from a practical stand point.
2. This would essentially be honor pvp at endgame. If you really truely just want to pvp than honor pvp is pretty much exactly what you want.
3. What if I want to pve and pvp? Now I have to farm two separate sets? Maybe you might be happy at the start with your pvp set, but then a new event comes and you can’t participate because your set doesn’t work. So now you have to go out and farm the same set you would have gotten in the first place.
4. You are removing the need for hard core pvp players to spend plat if you make the pvp sets easy to get. In what world would sts go for this. Seems like shooting themselves in the foot.
I’ll think of more latter
XghostzX
08-07-2019, 04:17 PM
1. Given the lack of love PL is getting from sts, is this really a feasible answer? We can hardly get a platinum based map for this cap and you are asking them to build and test two separate gear sets? Seems highly unlikely from a practical stand point.
2. This would essentially be honor pvp at endgame. If you really truely just want to pvp than honor pvp is pretty much exactly what you want.
3. What if I want to pve and pvp? Now I have to farm two separate sets? Maybe you might be happy at the start with your pvp set, but then a new event comes and you can’t participate because your set doesn’t work. So now you have to go out and farm the same set you would have gotten in the first place.
4. You are removing the need for hard core pvp players to spend plat if you make the pvp sets easy to get. In what world would sts go for this. Seems like shooting themselves in the foot.
I’ll think of more latter
I see you have played into my hand... those are the kind of responses that are actually fruitful as opposed to the former.
Good points!
I see you have played into my hand... those are the kind of responses that are actually fruitful as opposed to the former.
Good points!
Well played
Fwend
08-07-2019, 05:09 PM
This is a very interesting idea indeed.
How to please the entire community with the current nature of super rare sets?
If this concept was put in place pvpers will get their sets more quickly and will in turn spend platinum to enchent their sets. Currently the armors and shields still require Platimum rerolls to achieve the strongest statistics.
Farmers and merchs will still be occupied in both gaining pve sets as well as pvp sets to sell and make gold from.
Mastervoodoo
08-07-2019, 05:55 PM
I like the thought of this, but like you’re stating, the market would go down the drain. You’d split the two spectrums of pL. a lot of players just log on to pvp a few hours a day and a lot just wanna fun pvm maps with friends. The best solution would be to make farming profitable by adding vanity drops, different flask drops of different rarities, legendary, elite and mythical etc as it is now. With that being said, pvmers have incentive to farm for gear drops and consumables/ rare vanities and flask. I think both sides would be happy with this, the pvpers wont obtain these rare vanities because we’d be too lazy to farm, so you pvmers would have something that we don’t unless we put in the work !
Lets just see cincos new plat map and move from there. Hopefully that will be the last problem of this cap fingers crossed
ImRandy
08-07-2019, 08:01 PM
Just sell 1 time access tickets to pvp dungeons complete with mythical gear ... like 20 plat for 60min ... EZ fix
Aoeqt
08-07-2019, 09:05 PM
This week on the forums has taught me that there is no way to really balance PvE and PvP right now because their agendas are very different. I think that in future caps we might need to consider the ability for PvE and PvP only gear dropping. You could make the drop rate of PvP gear a lot greater than PvE. Make the sets only use able in their respectful locations like when we had class specific drops.
The only down side to this could be how it might affect the market of the game, but this could be a good thing and help bring all this chaos to an end in the future. The PvE community wants a fun farming where gear is remotely hard to get and PvP just wants to get gear as fast and start killing in the arena. There has to be a way to help combat this chaos.
Even though PL isn't WoW, WoW has been implementing this from the start of Vanilla, should also include that the sets aren't tradeable. What they do and what PL could potentially do is have a system almost exact, where there are basically two different sets. One is a beginner/intermediate set if you will, which is the baseline set to get right away, and then they have the 2nd set which you guessed it, is the best set/items there is for pvp.
The way these sets are bought is through Honor points, which are gathered through obviously pvping. There is a daily win bonus, and after that honor points are based upon kills/wins throughout the day in your games. There is also a cap on the number of points you can get in a day. (To give an idea of how their system works, let's say one piece of the first set costs 1500 honor points, a daily win bonus grants 150-250, and then you can reach a maximum of 1500 a day. May also include different pieces cost a different amount of points to buy. Most expensive ones being weapon and armor. Others such as rings or a helm can cost the same.)
I think this could actually be implemented sometime in the future (whenever that would be) where there is a vendor having let's say a legendary set then an elite set for either str/dex/int. These points could act as a non-tradeable currency such as platinum, and could be displayed next to platinum or gold in the bottom of a player's inventory.
Fwend
08-08-2019, 12:54 AM
World of Warcraft is the computer, Massively multiplayer online role-playing game (MMORPG) that has lead the way all these years.
They still have millions of players who subscribe to them each year. However they too are loosing their player base.
When describing PL to others I always mention it is like a smaller mobile version, casual version of WOW.
I agree with Palm's suggestion of the way WOW deals different sets for PVP and PVE. No harm in modelling ideas off other games that are successful.