Paladin in Arena of Honor (100-105)

[Absolize]

After multiple experiments in the Honor Arena on rhino, at this point I feel like it supports well but does no damage and doesn’t tank like it should. I think it needs a slight armor buff, but a semi decent damage buff. The base damage isn’t bad but when versing other classes, the rhino buff does not compare to other classes. (Example: Bird or Bear)

A lot of players have seen rhino in action in the Honor Arena and could agree with me on this, all I want to do is come up with a solution to where rhino is doable, and can compare to a mage. As a rhino, I am not able to kill anything in honor. No matter what the case may be it’s always a mismatch. I am not asking for the class to get a huge buff to where it becomes “OP” but just something to where I am able to compete.

As for the base damage of the set, it is 80-120 base damage. I feel like that is solid, but the buffs do not compete to other classes. For example, bears “Rage” buff adds +100 Damage, rhinos damage buff only does +46 Damage, making it impossible to beat them in a 1v1. Not only that, but when it comes to team play the rhino isn’t able to compete with any class regardless of the situation.

[Waug]

Lol rhino is a broken 2hit and done class in Myth pvp need nerf not buff, add as much stat as u can in rhino honor items I don't care but not in rhino skills or base stats.

[MageFFA]

Lol rhino is a broken 2hit and done class in Myth pvp need nerf not buff, add as much stat as u can in rhino honor items I don't care but not in rhino skills or base stats.

Except rhinos base stats are exactly what needs to be buffed. Why does rhino suck at everything outside of 105-110 with sets that are already broken? You continue to blame rhino for the fault of the developers when they created 2 caps that were easily exploitable for the class. The way i see it. If rhinos are OP thanks to their base stats then foxes and mages should be nerfed automatically. Bears Ib should be halved. Archers Skill Damage in endgame should also be halved. You can't have it one way.

Rhinos are the ONLY class that cannot gain kills in honor PvP, mind you honor is stat PvP so in no way can you blame it on the set.

[MageFFA]

Lol rhino is a broken 2hit and done class in Myth pvp need nerf not buff, add as much stat as u can in rhino honor items I don't care but not in rhino skills or base stats.

Also i can't help but be amused that you refused to acknowledge that birds can 2 shot in Myth with cruel blast, Bears with Smash, Mages with frost light fire, and foxes can possibly do it with rabid shred ham. You don't mention them but you're real quick to say rhinos. I stand by the statement that until you play the class firsthand you should not have any input on what needs to be changed about it. It's pretty damn easy to blow things out of proportion, especially at the faults of gear inbalance.

[Waug]

Yet u denied to come to point where I offered something to low lvl rhino separately (event though I have no clue about low lvl rhino situation) since then I've doubt on ur intention TBH. Doesn't matter what u say, endgame rhino is broken compared to anything.

Absolute junk class, u want a tank with tank gear kill 2 hit anything with a speed skill as good as teleportation.

[MageFFA]

Yet u denied to come to point where I offered something to low lvl rhino separately (event though I have no clue about low lvl rhino situation) since then I've doubt on ur intention TBH. Doesn't matter what u say, endgame rhino is broken compared to anything.

Absolute junk class, u want a tank with tank gear kill 2 hit anything with a speed skill as good as teleportation.

What's the difference between a rhino and bear then? Both 2 shots with their respective combos, being Smash and Juice. I don't know what you offered for low level. I didn't see a thread made outside of your usual "rhinos need nerf" and "rhinos are OP" threads. To the contrary, birds are far more broken in the eyes of many than rhinos for myth. Perfect example is Dodge. I'm a bird main and even i know birds should out dodge bears. I see more complaints about myth birds than anything else.

[Absolize]

Lol rhino is a broken 2hit and done class in Myth pvp need nerf not buff, add as much stat as u can in rhino honor items I don't care but not in rhino skills or base stats.

The endgame sets are what is broken. If rhino was “OP” like you always complain it is, the stats would overpower everything in the Honor Arena as well. Rhinos base stats and buffs are terrible. That is the reason it is literally impossible to use in the Honor Arena, it is not the honor set. Rhinos buffs/attacks don’t compare to other classes.

[Absolize]

What's the difference between a rhino and bear then? Both 2 shots with their respective combos, being Smash and Juice. I don't know what you offered for low level. I didn't see a thread made outside of your usual "rhinos need nerf" and "rhinos are OP" threads. To the contrary, birds are far more broken in the eyes of many than rhinos for myth. Perfect example is Dodge. I'm a bird main and even i know birds should out dodge bears. I see more complaints about myth birds than anything else.

I agree, Mythical birds are the most overpowered. But he’s just being biased, considering he knows nothing about the class. The Honor Arena shows if a classes base stats are good or bad because of the low numbers on the sets. Rhinos have no hope in the Honor Arena, so I feel that should be changed to where they have a fighting chance.

[MageFFA]

I just seen a bear 10-4 a rhino in Myth PvP. Beck stomp SMS. :rapture:

[Waug]

U want buff for honor, I stated get as much buff as much u want in the rhino honor gear and every class has it's unique honor item pack but ur denying that, tells everything about ur intention.

Not gonna waste my time explaining same things again and again, good luck.

[Absolize]

U want buff for honor, I stated get as much buff as much u want in the rhino honor gear and every class has it's unique honor item pack but ur denying that, tells everything about ur intention.

Not gonna waste my time explaining same things again and again, good luck.

Im not denying a thing. YOU are not happy unless bird is overpowered.

Rhino is not a good class base stat wise, and it needs to be fixed. You need to stop complaining about mythic 24/7 because it’s RNG and skill less. ANY CLASS is good in mythic, you’re not explaining anything to me, I didn’t ask for you to come here and complain. I asked for relevant discussion on this topic, but instead you want to come in and complain just like you do in every other thread.

[MageFFA]

U want buff for honor, I stated get as much buff as much u want in the rhino honor gear and every class has it's unique honor item pack but ur denying that, tells everything about ur intention.

Not gonna waste my time explaining same things again and again, good luck.

Buffing the stats on gear does nothing but make the sets OP which could be easily exploited. Rhinos lack damage, but from what you're saying we should just go ahead and have cinco buff the stats on their honor axe to 200 damage. What sense does that make? Since foxes lack armor maybe StS should give their honor gear an extra 100 armor to balance things out also? Mages have no hit. Maybe we should make their 110 hit 170 instead? What sense does any of that make?

The logical solution is buffing the class. This effects every single level they play, because unlike fox this is a global problem. Rhino Charge and Redemption is rhinos main combo. Rhino charge and Holy Tempest does far more damage than Charge Red, can you explain why? You don't need to I'll tell you why. It's because Redemption has received nerf and nerf and nerf. One in 2013, one in 2018, and another in 2019. Buffing Redemption and charge would fix the damage on the class so they could actually gain kills. 1 charge is has no significant difference than 10. Ontop of which rhinos are not even a decent tank class. They posses lower HP than mages and their heal has a absurd 5 second cooldown. Their only good tank buff "Guardian" only lasts a couple seconds and when it's gone they're practically dead.

I guarantee you that if you wore any other gear outside of Mythic, 110 Elite, 105 Sets, and 100 Set you'll see that rhinos does absolutely jack for damage and are easily killable as a tank. Perfect example is how a lustrous Rhino with 3pc can lose to a Level 66 Int mage with omni, this was happening Pre-2018/19 nerfs. Definitely not the OP class you keep claiming.

I do advise you to stop wasting your time because it wastes our time having to explain why you're wrong. In the beginning players was skeptical that it was a class problem, but after 2 nerfs and people seeing it for themselves nobody agrees with you anymore.

[Waug]

Not happy with 2h kills? Want 1hit kill all opponent in the arena? Good luck. Probably I would type Abit more if I was not on Mobile currently

[MageFFA]

Not happy with 2h kills? Want 1hit kill all opponent in the arena? Good luck. Probably I would type Abit more if I was not on Mobile currently

Did i say i was happy with 2hit kills? Quote it for me. When i call you out on your BS you give nonsense rebuttals. I merely gave examples of other classes doing the same exact thing. The thing you claimed only rhinos can do. 2 hit kills. Bears 2 hit kill, so does mages and birds. Sometimes foxes. Bears are also a "Tank" class but you have no problem with them doing it either. Teleportation? You see the class dash, what do you want Cinco to do? Have the rings under them light up a bright yellow to signify that they are about to charge? Remove the auto lock on so they dash mindlessly no where making them even more cannon fodder? Lower their charge range to 8-10 meters so that any range class with a 12 meter skill can bully them into submission like how they already do dispite 12 meter charge? Remove all damage skills and buffs in exchange for a pure tank support role so it doesn't gain kills but supports better, it's not like they can kill anything anyways. What do you suggest Waug?

[Waug]

We had multiple pages discussing that.
Myth rhino should b nerfed. Ty

[MageFFA]

We had multiple pages discussing that.
Myth rhino should b nerfed. Ty

That doesn't asnwer my question. How would you nerf myth rhino? Explain.

[Absolize]

That doesn't asnwer my question. How would you nerf myth rhino? Explain.

Myth SETS need a balance, has nothing to do with the class.

[MageFFA]

Myth SETS need a balance, has nothing to do with the class.

I know but Waug keeps saying it's a class problem so i wish to respectively hear his solution and provide input.

[afroSamuraii]

After multiple experiments in the Honor Arena on rhino, at this point I feel like it supports well but does no damage and doesn’t tank like it should. I think it needs a slight armor buff, but a semi decent damage buff. The base damage isn’t bad but when versing other classes, the rhino buff does not compare to other classes. (Example: Bird or Bear)

A lot of players have seen rhino in action in the Honor Arena and could agree with me on this, all I want to do is come up with a solution to where rhino is doable, and can compare to a mage. As a rhino, I am not able to kill anything in honor. No matter what the case may be it’s always a mismatch. I am not asking for the class to get a huge buff to where it becomes “OP” but just something to where I am able to compete.

As for the base damage of the set, it is 80-120 base damage. I feel like that is solid, but the buffs do not compete to other classes. For example, bears “Rage” buff adds +100 Damage, rhinos damage buff only does +46 Damage, making it impossible to beat them in a 1v1. Not only that, but when it comes to team play the rhino isn’t able to compete with any class regardless of the situation.I agree rhino us awful in honor

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[Waug]

Oof simple lies.
Show me birds can 2hit kill
I'll use 2h weapon set aka bow, as many games u want, u or ask any bird to fight me
Kill me at least once with so called 2hit kill and prove that.

[Dolloway]

So what do you suggest? Like a 25 dmg boost for Rhino Honor sets?

I was testing out level 15 Honor set on Rhino last week to see how 400 Dex/70 Str (just enough to equip) would work. It seemed okay offensively but obviously lacked defense. The damage was something like 110-147, but I had only 21 armor instead of the usual 50+ with level 100 set. I was able to go even or slightly win against a few birds. The added damage seemed to help quite a bit.

[Absolize]

So what do you suggest? Like a 25 dmg boost for Rhino Honor sets?

I was testing out level 15 Honor set on Rhino last week to see how 400 Dex/70 Str (just enough to equip) would work. It seemed okay offensively but obviously lacked defense. The damage was something like 110-147, but I had only 21 armor instead of the usual 50+ with level 100 set. I was able to go even or slightly win against a few birds. The added damage seemed to help quite a bit.

Twink isn’t what I’m talking about at the moment, I don’t know how twink rhino plays but this is for 100-105 because the problem occurs there I know for a fact. I’m not sure what would be the right call on this because rhino in 100-105 Honor doesn’t tank, nor do damage. So if the set was buffed it would probably need a semi-big buff in each category. In my opinion the rhinos buffs are the problem considering the buffs do not compare to other classes when it comes down to armor or damage.

[Tpfelblatt]

Let's do some testing, while keeping in mind what Paladins Role in Honor teams would be. I think he is a backline diver to divide the enemy team from within. Thoughts?

[MageFFA]

Let's do some testing, while keeping in mind what Paladins Role in Honor teams would be. I think he is a backline diver to divide the enemy team from within. Thoughts?

Yet that's the thing. Rhinos have no role in either team fights or honor.

1. They are banned from entering any tournaments whether it's 3v3, 2v2, or 1v1.

2. They have no definitive role in team fights. They are a lackluster support class since mages do far better thanks to having a better heal, but most importantly mages do what rhinos can't, damage.

3. Their buffs aren't even as efficient in team fights. Brute Force merely gives your team 5 armor. WTF you gonna do with that. For Guardian to clear negative effects on your team you have to be close. Vital Force merely adds more damage but that's it. You'd think Vital Force is a A+ Tier skill but when your class has a absolutely absurd heal Cooldown time it becomes useless. Vital is only a effective team skill in 15-20 and even then they get beat out by mages for support.

4. They only have 1 good debuff skill to control teams and that's summon, which could be healed off unlike blind and CB making the skill irrelevent when you're against a good mage team. I use to do 61 PvP as a rhino with alot of members in FFA. I would try to control the fight best for my bears by summons so they could beck ans go for terror with HS. It's usually healed off and now my teammates are under debuffs plus taking alot of damage. What can i do to save them if i have to wait 5 seconds for a skill. I can't nuke as is so it usually resorts to my team losing.

The problem with rhino is a class problem. If you want to fix the set I'd first start with mana regen high enough to support them in combat. Rhinos consume more mana per skill than any other class i believe. Their armor needs to be increased, not to the extent of them tanking like bears in 110. A slight increase in damage to compensate for the fact that the axe they were given has a attack speedof 1.8. Dodge is irrelevant and I'd advise against giving them any. Rhinos damage needs to be high enough to nuke a buffless mage.

[Waug]

That doesn't asnwer my question. How would you nerf myth rhino? Explain.

I missed this one, Well that was never your question though I focused on this, I would be happy to deal with that, I need to know which pvp level you want to have no negative impact or might be impactful in a positive way, It's definitely possible.

[MageFFA]

I missed this one, Well that was never your question though I focused on this, I would be happy to deal with that, I need to know which pvp level you want to have no negative impact or might be impactful in a positive way, It's definitely possible.

Well anything directed to the class will have a negitive impact regardless. You can nerf Redemption again but you'll have to remember that skill was nerfed 3 times already. If i was to give a guess at the percentage it is now, I'd say it's over 30%. Your argument is rhinos deal too much combo damage. That would mean nerfing redemption again, which achieves nothing. It can't be blamed on the buffs because Vital isn't a good damage buff. I don't see what can be done here.

[Dolloway]

Twink isn’t what I’m talking about at the moment, I don’t know how twink rhino plays but this is for 100-105 because the problem occurs there I know for a fact. I’m not sure what would be the right call on this because rhino in 100-105 Honor doesn’t tank, nor do damage. So if the set was buffed it would probably need a semi-big buff in each category. In my opinion the rhinos buffs are the problem considering the buffs do not compare to other classes when it comes down to armor or damage.

I know you're talking about the 100-105 Honor set. I'm just saying that I tried the level 15 Honor set on a 110 rhino (it's comparable to 100-105) and used far less str to equip the gear, which bumped the damage up. It seemed okay offensively so I was wondering if a 25 dmg buff would be helpful to add to the level 100 Rhino Honor Sets.

[Waug]

Well anything directed to the class will have a negitive impact regardless. You can nerf Redemption again but you'll have to remember that skill was nerfed 3 times already. If i was to give a guess at the percentage it is now, I'd say it's over 30%. Your argument is rhinos deal too much combo damage. That would mean nerfing redemption again, which achieves nothing. It can't be blamed on the buffs because Vital isn't a good damage buff. I don't see what can be done here.

Yet u still and again denied the simple question which lvls.

Lots of things can be done even that would make rhino more viable in a good way but you guys seems not to take interest in that, as always.

[Absolize]

I know you're talking about the 100-105 Honor set. I'm just saying that I tried the level 15 Honor set on a 110 rhino (it's comparable to 100-105) and used far less str to equip the gear, which bumped the damage up. It seemed okay offensively so I was wondering if a 25 dmg buff would be helpful to add to the level 100 Rhino Honor Sets.

That seems fair, but also another thing to consider would be the buffs not comparing to other classes when it comes down to tanking and damage. A buff on the set could resolve the solution, but I feel like it would need to be a bit bigger to compare to other classes. But I’m not sure of that either.

[Axals]

Absolutely should change how paladin is doing in honor I like this thread


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[NukeDragon]

I personally have tried rhino at many different levels. Rhino is really only good at endgame pvp. In honor, they lack the damage or armor in l100-105 sets. Have yet to try l15-30 honor sets, but as others have said the sets for honor on rhinos seems to need a buff. It’s really the only class in honor imo that needs a buff.