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Geraxx
03-11-2020, 10:33 PM
This have been happening since forever already. It seems like the damage elixir not only boost our own damage, but also the mobs damage. Whenever players buy damage elixir, the mobs hit us harder and we die fast and easily too. Can you fix this please? thank you :)

Cinco
03-12-2020, 09:24 AM
Interesting... so I checked, and discovered that this does not happen (at all) with any combination of elixirs.

What elixir in particular do you think is having this effect on monsters? Thanks.

Geraxx
03-12-2020, 10:36 AM
i used x5 dmg buff and died to 4 or less zombies in an instant in old quarter campaign lol

Cinco
03-12-2020, 10:50 AM
i used x5 dmg buff and died to 4 or less zombies in an instant in old quarter campaign lol

The damage elixir does nothing for your defense - it adds damage. Also you need to keep in mind that your blood powers your abilities so if you are spamming them you will be more likely to die (as your blood has run out).

Don't let the zombies hit you so often. You may also want to consider whether or not to use a defensive elixir (something that gives you armor, for instance) to withstand beatings from the zombies.

Geraxx
03-12-2020, 10:57 AM
watt then why i die :/ its because if x5 dmg elixir lol. my health is always above 90% when i dont use elixir

Cinco
03-12-2020, 11:00 AM
watt then why i die :/ its because if x5 dmg elixir lol. my health is always above 90% when i dont use elixir

You are dying because you are getting hit by monsters and you're using blood to fuel your skills.

Geraxx
03-12-2020, 11:02 AM
im using auto blood packs. there are many players who agree with me too. thats why those who wanna fight for pve kdr lb always do not buy damage elixir

Cinco
03-12-2020, 11:13 AM
im using auto blood packs. there are many players who agree with me too. thats why those who wanna fight for pve kdr lb always do not buy damage elixir

...because you think that somehow the elixir gives bonus damage to the monsters? It's very interesting. Definitely not happening for me in any way. What's your IGN? I will look at your character to see if something else is wrong. Do you have any other items / item sets that are giving you damage multipliers?

Geraxx
03-12-2020, 11:16 AM
...because you think that somehow the elixir gives bonus damage to the monsters? It's very interesting. Definitely not happening for me in any way. What's your IGN? I will look at your character to see if something else is wrong. Do you have any other items / item sets that are giving you damage multipliers?

IGN: Geraxx

im in pve kdr lb and i got one death and it is from old quarter campaign lol. the only difference i got during the one death compared to the other time i was farming is only that i bought dmg elixer and i got burst down by 4 or less zombies lol. yea my dmg was quite high anout 400-500 lvl46 when i died. only once... do i nvr buy x5dmg elixir ever again

Geraxx
03-12-2020, 11:19 AM
...because you think that somehow the elixir gives bonus damage to the monsters? It's very interesting. Definitely not happening for me in any way. What's your IGN? I will look at your character to see if something else is wrong. Do you have any other items / item sets that are giving you damage multipliers?

i know u cant revoke my one death and that really sad for me since i fight for pve kdr and that made me lose motivation. thats fine. but i just want this to be fixed so that i wont die again if i might want to buy the dmg elixer agn lol. thank you!!

Cinco
03-12-2020, 11:22 AM
IGN: Geraxx

im in pve kdr lb and i got one death and it is from old quarter campaign lol. the only difference i got during the one death compared to the other time i was farming is only that i bought dmg elixer and i got burst down by 4 or less zombies lol. yea my dmg was quite high anout 400-500 lvl46 when i died. only once... do i nvr buy x5dmg elixir ever again

Cool. I will take a look at your toon and see if something is weird.

Since we have been talking here I have tested all of the elixirs and have seen none of the bad effects you claim to be seeing. Damage elixirs, and any combo elixirs with damage all increase the amount of damage that I do. They do not affect the damage that monsters do. I can see the monster damage stays exactly the same in every case. These elixirs have been around since the game started... but I re-tested it today because you are so insistent on this. Unfortunately, I cannot find anything that is going wrong or any way that the effect could be buffing monsters.

Thanks for the info ;-)

Cinco
03-12-2020, 11:22 AM
i know u cant revoke my one death and that really sad for me since i fight for pve kdr and that made me lose motivation. thats fine. but i just want this to be fixed so that i wont die again if i might want to buy the dmg elixer agn lol. thank you!!

That's not happening.

Ugon
03-12-2020, 11:26 AM
im using auto blood packs. there are many players who agree with me too. thats why those who wanna fight for pve kdr lb always do not buy damage elixir

That is correct, recently we PvE players have stopped using the DMG elixir from The Old Town since it either reduces our defense or it boosts up the mobs DMG which results in the player's rapid death despite the fact we use auto blood packs refill therefore we started to warn other players about the DMG elixir curse !

Cinco
03-12-2020, 11:27 AM
That is correct, recently we PvE players have stopped using the DMG elixir from The Old Town since it either reduces our defense or it boosts up the mobs DMG which results in the player's rapid death despite the fact we use auto blood packs refill therefore we started to warn other players about the DMG elixir curse !

It definitely does not boost monster damage.

Ugon
03-12-2020, 11:32 AM
It definitely does not boost monster damage.

But when we do not use the DMG elixir we never die no matter how much time passes while we are standing still between zombies taking hits ofc as long as we have blood packs and the auto blood packs refill is on.

Cinco
03-12-2020, 11:35 AM
But when we do not use the DMG elixir we never die no matter how much time passes while we are standing still between zombies taking hits ofc as long as we have blood packs and the auto blood packs refill is on.

Fascinating. So far as I can tell, whatever is happening here is happening to your avatar and not to the monsters.

What is the specific exact name of the Elixir that you believe is causing the issue? Is it a combo elixir? Thanks in advance ;-)

Ugon
03-12-2020, 11:36 AM
We never reported this because we thought this is a hidden surprise curse comes with the elixir lol I see its not I feel stupid XD

Cinco
03-12-2020, 11:38 AM
We never reported this because we thought this is a hidden surprise curse comes with the elixir lol I see its not I feel stupid XD

It is possible that there is either a single item or a combination item that has the wrong values for the effect. If this is the case (I cannot find it anywhere in the game data right now) it will be easy to fix.

I just need to know the specific item you are talking about because my search of the entire game has come up with nothing that causes this. I've been testing the effects of all elixirs this morning in good faith... and I just can't find something that does this :-|

Ugon
03-12-2020, 11:39 AM
It is particularly the DMG elixir x5 from the old town ^^

Ugon
03-12-2020, 11:45 AM
Fascinating. So far as I can tell, whatever is happening here is happening to your avatar and not to the monsters.

What is the specific exact name of the Elixir that you believe is causing the issue? Is it a combo elixir? Thanks in advance ;-)

This had happened with so many players includes me with my Ugon acc when we used that elixir precisely so I believe it is not related the the avatar.

Cinco
03-12-2020, 11:53 AM
It is particularly the DMG elixir x5 from the old town ^^

Okay! So I tested this and was able to see my damage increase by 5X. Monster damage does not change. The domain of the elixir is bound entirely to the avatar and has no effect on the monsters.

That said... I think the effect you're describing is related to Old Town itself: specifically whether you are returning to a fresh instance of Old Town when you emerge from Club Spacetime, or if you're going into something that exists and has other players in it that affect the damage of the monsters due to level. We do quite a bit behind the scenes to balance for full parties and for the levels of the party members. Nothing about the elixir system affects this.

If you want to survive endless waves of bad guys you may want to look at using that 5X Armor Elixir in addition to the 5X Damage one.

Ugon
03-12-2020, 12:11 PM
Okay! So I tested this and was able to see my damage increase by 5X. Monster damage does not change. The domain of the elixir is bound entirely to the avatar and has no effect on the monsters.

That said... I think the effect you're describing is related to Old Town itself: specifically whether you are returning to a fresh instance of Old Town when you emerge from Club Spacetime, or if you're going into something that exists and has other players in it that affect the damage of the monsters due to level. We do quite a bit behind the scenes to balance for full parties and for the levels of the party members. Nothing about the elixir system affects this.

If you want to survive endless waves of bad guys you may want to look at using that 5X Armor Elixir in addition to the 5X Damage one.

Believe me Mr.Cinco I personally have tried these possibilities and have ended up dying in solo mode in the campaign maps :/
Yes I tired purchasing all the 3 Old Town elixirs " Dmg, Armor and speed " together then was the same thing when I use Dmg elixir and dies, it looks like armor elixir is nullified when you combine it with the Dmg elixir x5.

Cinco
03-12-2020, 12:18 PM
it looks like armor elixir is nullified [/COLOR]when you combine it with the Dmg elixir x5.[/SIZE]

This does not happen at all. I'm wearing both 5X Elixirs right now and I am untouchable. Not only do the monsters not have any more damage, I have 5X more damage and 5X more armor which makes their attacks basically nothing. Combined with Auto Blood Packs, I'm just standing there like a statue.

Ugon
03-12-2020, 12:20 PM
It confuses us when we die tho we are in the top level of the game while using the top gears too, nobody complains when they die before reaching the top level because they think it might be due to the low lvl of the alt.

Cinco
03-12-2020, 12:23 PM
It confuses us when we die tho we are in the top level of the game while using the top gears too, nobody complains when they die before reaching the top level because they think it might be due to the low lvl of the alt.

Dark Legends combat has always been challenging because of the single resource pool for skills. It is very possible for you to get yourself killed even with the very best stuff and the most powerful elixirs.

Ugon
03-12-2020, 12:24 PM
This does not happen at all. I'm wearing both 5X Elixirs right now and I am untouchable. Not only do the monsters not have any more damage, I have 5X more damage and 5X more armor which makes their attacks basically nothing. Combined with Auto Blood Packs, I'm just standing there like a statue.

Umm...Idk really but it actually happened at least to me, I can volunteer to make new record for the issue and send it to you.

Cinco
03-12-2020, 12:29 PM
Umm...Idk really but it actually happened at least to me, I can volunteer to make new record for the issue and send it to you.

Yes! Please do make a video.

Meanwhile my toon is still standing there not dying.

I have now verified multiple times this morning:
- Monsters do not gain damage when you apply a damage elixir.
- 5X Armor elixir does not negatively affect damage.
- 5X Damage increases your damage by 5X for its duration.
- 5X Armor elixir increases your armor by 5X for its duration.

This is all stuff that I know to be true... but because I trust you all I have spent the time to re-test and re-verify. Nothing appears to be wrong with any of this. I really wish I could say "Yes! I see the error and I'll fix it," but I just can't fix what isn't broken. Maybe if I see a video and take a good look at your avatar inventory, elixir set-up I can find some sort of bug. As soon as I can verify that these things happen in a specific case I can address it :-)

Thanks for all your patience! Hope you enjoy the Sin Patty event ;-)

Ugon
03-12-2020, 12:32 PM
I do not know how the process goes for the elixirs but it is possible to make that DMG elixir just like a gem that attaches to you when you purchase it from the vendor which adds pure Dmg status only? works for limited time in pve alone ofc.

Cinco
03-12-2020, 12:40 PM
I do not know how the process goes for the elixirs but it is possible to make that DMG elixir just like a gem that attaches to you when you purchase it from the vendor which adds pure Dmg status only? works for limited time in pve alone ofc.

This is all handled by the enhancements you get from the Blood Forge. Damage puts a stat directly on the item - and it applies in all contexts.

The elixir takes whatever damage you're doing and it multiplies that. Note: only the highest multiplier is ever used (so if you have an item that gives you 1.5X damage and you buy the 5X you will only get 5X and not 6.5X).

Ugon
03-12-2020, 12:43 PM
Yes! Please do make a video.

Meanwhile my toon is still standing there not dying.

I have now verified multiple times this morning:
- Monsters do not gain damage when you apply a damage elixir.
- 5X Armor elixir does not negatively affect damage.
- 5X Damage increases your damage by 5X for its duration.
- 5X Armor elixir increases your armor by 5X for its duration.

This is all stuff that I know to be true... but because I trust you all I have spent the time to re-test and re-verify. Nothing appears to be wrong with any of this. I really wish I could say "Yes! I see the error and I'll fix it," but I just can't fix what isn't broken. Maybe if I see a video and take a good look at your avatar inventory, elixir set-up I can find some sort of bug. As soon as I can verify that these things happen in a specific case I can address it :-)

Thanks for all your patience! Hope you enjoy the Sin Patty event ;-)

I will gladly do, and will send you the link in pms.

Sts events are as the usual filled with fun and excitements, much appreciated ^^.

Novangeline
03-29-2020, 08:56 PM
I too experienced this issue.

I frequently take lower level players to the hospital. I coincidentally had a 5x damage buff, from fighting the archangel. I died quite often and unexpectedly when encountering small mobs of ghouls. My character was level 42, which is not a level that would die often in the hospital. The issue resolved itself after the buff ran out. Usually I only die while killing in the hospital if I'm chatting.

Thank you for your attention to this issue.

Novangeline aka Gryffinorren aka Annamandra aka Troilus aka Prosurpina aka Shamandar aka Xamantina