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Zeus
01-20-2012, 10:02 PM
How to PvP: L66 Bear Style

Hi guys, it’s Apollo here. I just wanted to take the time to create a L66 bear PvP guide modeled off my character, Zeus.

NOTE: Many can disagree with my tactics, these are just the tactics that I personally use.

Skill Build:
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Skill Order: Go from the top right hand corner, down the column, then to the left hand corner, excluding buffs, as you need to use those before a fight.

So essentially, buff up, then beckon, scream, crushing blow, stomp, crippling, vengeful, super mega slash, then heal. Please note, this is not a robotic order. As you familiarize yourself with your class, you will realize sometimes it's not appropriate to use the skills in the same order. For example: I often do not use stomp until I need to pin them, I usually go for crippling first, then stomp them into a wall or tree to pin them.
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How to fight various classes (Bear, Bird, Enchantress):



Bear:

Str Bear:
People may say that full strength bears are impossible to kill if you are also a full strength bear. I beg to differ. It may take time, but it can also be done in under a minute. As a full strength bear fighting another full strength bear, you do not NEED your buffs right away. Thus, you can get by using taunt and stacking it until your opponent’s buffs wear out. What should you do in the meantime? Apply your debuffs and pin the bear, of course! If you notice, crippling slash is my second highest slash. One only has time to utilize 2 of the 3 slashes typically before your opponent pushes you away. Crippling slash has the ability to root the enemy, making it easier to apply your debuffs and drag him to a tree to stun lock him. So, you should approach the strength bear by beckoning him into a corner (he is likely to dodge this), spamming hell scream, landing crushing blow, crippling slashing him, then stomping him into a tree. Once you have him successfully pinned, then turn on your rage buff and hammer away. Otherwise, it’s useless considering half the time you guys are just flinging yourself across the map and wasting the usefulness of rage.

Dexterity Bear/Bow Bear:
These bears are capable of high damage, thus you will need all your buffs immediately. The most effective way to deal with them is beckon, hell scream, crushing blow, CRIPPLING SLASH, then stomp. You guys might ask, why not the stomp combo? Well, the root is more important, otherwise you are just stomping your enemy away. If you can find the time to squeeze another slash in there, then by all means, be my guest. If done effectively, your dodge should take care of their damage and pinning them should do the rest. Please note that this class typically wears a recurve of sorts (Sanguine Longbow). Recurves have the ability to reduce hit percent greatly (-20 to -30 percent). Thus, be aware of the sparkling gold stars above your characters head. If they are present, you should NOT be trying to remain in range and get out of it ASAP, as your skills will likely miss the bear.


Enchantress:

Typically, you can approach all types in the same manner. These guys hit rather hard, so, what you need to do is buff up everything EXCEPT rage. Only use rage when you have them pinned, or your rage will end up going to waste. Do NOT forget to buff taunt TWICE as you will need every bit of dodge to withstand this rather hard hitting class. Once you get them pinned, you can stun lock them and hammer them until they die. Be sure to pre-plan where your stomp and beckon will land.


Bird:

Birds are perhaps the MOST dangerous class versus a bear. They have the ability to ignore high armor and dodge with their various debuffs. You essentially NEED the beckon to land when you approach them. If it doesn’t your last resort is to try and hell scream to stun them and then apply crushing blow and take them out with your slashes. If this is not possible, retreat and remember to spam stomp keeping them away until your beckon is off cooldown again.

IF BECKON LANDS: You want to use hell scream, crushing blow to negate their dodge, stomp, and crippling slash or SMS. This combo will USUALLY take them out, unless their Sanguine Longbow Blinding proc activates. IF this the case, which can be determined by seeing gold stars on your character’s head, GET OUT. You will NOT be able to hit them and they will be capable of landing some RAPID and HIGH damage on your poor bear.

Also, treat warbirds like a strength bear, unless they have you rooted. If they do, stomp to get out of roots and retreat. Pin warbirds and treat them like a strength bear whenever possible. This is the most efficient way in my experience to kill them.

NOTE FOR ALL CLASSES:
Heal whenever possible, the most efficient time is when you are taking heavy damage or recovering.


My Character: Zeus

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Otukura
01-20-2012, 10:04 PM
You go through plat fast.

Twinklaser
01-20-2012, 10:09 PM
Pretty nice and detailed guide! Though I do not have an endgame bear, I think that the skill builds are pretty much self explanatory until Humania comes.

Once again this is 5/5 guide :)

AbsolutePally
01-20-2012, 10:20 PM
Wow thats exactly my bears build! But not quite there (62 & no vanity bonus) better off retiring him or rescaling to 55

Otukura
01-20-2012, 10:21 PM
Wow thats exactly my bears build! But not quite there (62 & no vanity bonus) better off retiring him or rescaling to 55

They don't do rescales anymore, apparently. I tried emailing support for my main.

Draopwnzall
01-20-2012, 10:22 PM
What a great guide Apollo, I'll definately be benefiting from this.

Off Topic:

I like your gold! :D

Zeus
01-20-2012, 10:30 PM
You go through plat fast.

Hehehe, I'd normally restock by now, but trying to go platinum free. I don't think I'll make it and will eventually end up caving in and buying platinum.



What a great guide Apollo, I'll definately be benefiting from this.

Off Topic:

I like your gold! :D

Haha, thanks! :)


Pretty nice and detailed guide! Though I do not have an endgame bear, I think that the skill builds are pretty much self explanatory until Humania comes.

Once again this is 5/5 guide :)

Thanks! :)


Wow thats exactly my bears build! But not quite there (62 & no vanity bonus) better off retiring him or rescaling to 55

You were an epic bear and probably still are! Honestly, I often fight with no vanity and it doesn't really make a difference if you play the bear correctly. Might want to think about leveling him some! :)

PL Playa
01-20-2012, 11:31 PM
Can I haz one million? *wink* jk very nice guide I am working on my bear atm so I'm glad to know what skills are good to leek and which not to, even though I don't PvP

Walkhardd
01-20-2012, 11:42 PM
Weird, my bear has the exact same build...lol

Zeus
01-20-2012, 11:55 PM
Weird, my bear has the exact same build...lol

I wonder how that came to be. ;)

Late
01-20-2012, 11:57 PM
So lucky maxed gold

Draopwnzall
01-21-2012, 08:12 AM
So lucky maxed gold

Its not luck. :)

Roc
01-21-2012, 10:49 AM
Thank goodness this isn't INDECENT exposure ;) Informative, good formatting, and (coming from someone with 0 pvp experience who needs every guide she can read) this is very helpful :)

Apostel
01-21-2012, 10:56 AM
Yes my bear has exact same build. Its not complicated when you understand skills

Draopwnzall
01-22-2012, 09:10 AM
You didn't mention talking about Pallie's. Although it would be the same as killing a warbird & bear right?

saiyen
01-22-2012, 09:15 AM
Once again awesome guide bro!

Zeus
01-22-2012, 01:28 PM
You didn't mention talking about Pallie's. Although it would be the same as killing a warbird & bear right?

Correct, you want to get them pinned, then time your rage. How do you do this? Carefully watch when they cast drain life. As soon as they do, buff up and hammer away.

Draopwnzall
01-22-2012, 01:32 PM
Gotcha.

Bunnyshoota
01-22-2012, 09:51 PM
Excellend job bro. Agree on everything.
Could you look into a level 51 bear (str and dex) guide?

mejslll
01-23-2012, 01:50 PM
apollo for a young surf punk you are a pretty smart kid... lol

great great post!!

Zeus
01-23-2012, 02:22 PM
apollo for a young surf punk you are a pretty smart kid... lol

great great post!!

Haha, MJ, thanks! Now to be a bear like you irl ;)

@Bunny, Sure, I can do that. Just give me a week (:

Swimmingstar
01-23-2012, 04:51 PM
They don't do rescales anymore, apparently. I tried emailing support for my main.

Whoa they accepted lowering the level before? I wonder if devs have ever made someone a higher level. :p

Zeus
01-23-2012, 05:06 PM
Whoa they accepted lowering the level before? I wonder if devs have ever made someone a higher level. :p

That wouldn't make sense, because they would most likely lower because people already achieved that accomplishment before.

I think the reason why they stopped doing it is because it's a hassle and detrimental to their sales/profits. It's not a bad thing, either.

Sryyoulose
01-26-2012, 12:31 PM
Nice guide being as there is not many main pking bears! Though I've always admired them because theyll own you with ease or you'll kill them with a bit of damage done. It's based on luck that works 80% of the time! Good guide 6/5!

Elitephonix
01-26-2012, 03:06 PM
Heres 1 gold for u

mejslll
01-26-2012, 10:18 PM
honestly guys i played zues today on pvp we were pounding on him, and could not stop him, and i am not looking to promote any one but i was stunned how two characters couldnt kill zues with a flag... it was very very impressive.

Zues (apollo) im going to get you! (lol)

Phoenixking
01-26-2012, 10:34 PM
This will help me more, im levelijg my bear and need to get better at it :o do you have a mage guide ;) ;)

bglir
01-27-2012, 03:48 AM
Nice work apollo, been looking for a guide like this, im gona try it on my bear, sorry i scrach you in ctf hahaha meow meow prrrrrrrrrrrr.

Zeus
01-27-2012, 03:55 AM
Nice work apollo, been looking for a guide like this, im gona try it on my bear, sorry i scrach you in ctf hahaha meow meow prrrrrrrrrrrr.

Lmao, bglir. I'm glad you found it useful!

Also, bear in mind, even if you don't have the vanity set, the great thing about a bear is you don't really need it if you know how to play your class right. I often fight no vanity just to prove it, so don't let it discourage you if you do not have the vanity set!

UPDATE: Come this weekend, I plan to add an expansion to this guide that is HIGHLY effective and efficient towards killing full strength bears FAST! :D

bglir
01-27-2012, 06:10 AM
Lmao, bglir. I'm glad you found it useful!

Also, bear in mind, even if you don't have the vanity set, the great thing about a bear is you don't really need it if you know how to play your class right. I often fight no vanity just to prove it, so don't let it discourage you if you do not have the vanity set!

UPDATE: Come this weekend, I plan to add an expansion to this guide that is HIGHLY effective and efficient towards killing full strength bears FAST! :D



UPDate: After following instruction i win 4 games 3 vs 3 straight, catch 6 flags and last one 5-0 with no mage to help and against experience fighters, thanks this is my first time try in ctf using bear.:victorious:

starjaya
01-27-2012, 06:23 AM
Nice job Bro.you rock!!!👏👏👏

bglir
01-27-2012, 06:31 AM
honestly guys i played zues today on pvp we were pounding on him, and could not stop him, and i am not looking to promote any one but i was stunned how two characters couldnt kill zues with a flag... it was very very impressive.

Zues (apollo) im going to get you! (lol)


Nahhhhh it was easy lol taking the flag from him, i just show my ninjitsu cute kitty face.

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mejslll
01-27-2012, 12:17 PM
bg you are so freaking funny! lol lol ! love playing with ya... lol


bg who is your bear?


Mej = Aaron

Pandamoni
01-27-2012, 01:31 PM
Thanks for this, Parth! I don't PVP but it's nice to see a new guide and something that people can study :D

Whirlzap
01-27-2012, 02:53 PM
Nice nice but about your point of bird being essentially the hardest class for a bear.
I beg to differ.
I will argue that staff mage is many times harder.
Most people now think of mage as generally being wand, perhaps due to the OP wand set.
It's easy to beat this set due to its lower nuke capabilities if you can play bear right.
With staff, you will generally win unless it is a good staff mage.
With the Crafted Lilith Set and all three vanities, Staff Mage Pure INT has over 300 DPS and 200 Armor.
From me, I have been able to take care of warbirds in 2 hits.
For bears, the dodge still serves as a problem, but with mages able to deal hits over 400 easily, a slim two hits will easily kill a bear.
I believe that bear PvP has become easier since the Sewer Age; at those times bears had lower dodge and relied more so on armor, which usually failed.

Zeus
01-27-2012, 03:10 PM
Nice nice but about your point of bird being essentially the hardest class for a bear.
I beg to differ.
I will argue that staff mage is many times harder.
Most people now think of mage as generally being wand, perhaps due to the OP wand set.
It's easy to beat this set due to its lower nuke capabilities if you can play bear right.
With staff, you will generally win unless it is a good staff mage.
With the Crafted Lilith Set and all three vanities, Staff Mage Pure INT has over 300 DPS and 200 Armor.
From me, I have been able to take care of warbirds in 2 hits.
For bears, the dodge still serves as a problem, but with mages able to deal hits over 400 easily, a slim two hits will easily kill a bear.
I believe that bear PvP has become easier since the Sewer Age; at those times bears had lower dodge and relied more so on armor, which usually failed.

I've fought many staff mages. They actually aren't too difficult, whirlz. Then again though, it's all a matter of opinion. For me, birds are extremely difficult, for you it may be staff elves.

Whirlzap
01-27-2012, 03:26 PM
Perhaps you are more skilled than the majority of the bears I have fought.
:/

Swimmingstar
01-29-2012, 09:00 PM
My biggest weakness is good birds. (In ffa/ctf)

Skeokateva
01-30-2012, 06:56 PM
Nice guide, will try it out:D

Fncrazy
02-02-2012, 03:24 PM
Staff mages are easy compared to goods birds

Tenaciousdjb
02-11-2012, 01:45 AM
This was gr8..ty for d tips..now need to practice ;)

samuel_bonas
08-19-2015, 02:38 AM
Great build man! Totally loved it! But I'm confused. You've listed every skill, but taunt. So should taunt come before bekon?

Groaning
08-19-2015, 09:06 AM
Great build man! Totally loved it! But I'm confused. You've listed every skill, but taunt. So should taunt come before bekon?

just so you know the build is no longer viable as they have added L65 to have skills to reach 9 skills points