PvP Events - Your thoughts

[Firead]

Hi Folks!

If you don't know me by now, I'm Firéad, one of the moderators here on the forums, and I'm looking to help make PvP fantastic! First off, I do ask that you all be patient, as this is going to be an ever evolving thing.

While we realize PvP isn't for everyone, we would like to get some regular PvP events going. That's where you guys come in - I want to hear from you, the Pvpers, with ideas of things you would like to see/do!

I'd like to get a League going (in Pocket Legends first) with regular tournaments (probably 3v3 Capture the Flag or maybe 5v5, though teams of 5 seem to be harder to get going) where the points from the tournament play contribute to standing in the ladder. On a regular basis (monthly, ideally) we review the standing of the ladder and grant the top team (or teams, depending on the range of participation) a prize.

Once we've got some ideas thrown about, I'd like to work to solidify some rules for these tourneys. That won't affect anything you all set up on your own, just these tournaments. If you have an idea or concern you are really not comfortable bringing up in front of everyone (IMO there are NO silly ideas, though!!), please feel free to PM me, and I'll make a note of it.

I look forward to seeing what you guys have to say!

[AbsolutePally]

First

Ladder does sound cool, maybe if something like a point based tournament. Where officially registered players can fight each other under specifically made games, maybe have a special password. These games would go towards their standings in a ladder that can only increase a players rank. The more matches you play the more points you get, including losses.
This would promote playing matches/matching up, but mods will be in place so that a person can not increase his/her rank by constantly killing lower ranking players. You get more points for beating a player with equal or higher rank compared to winning against a lower ranked participant.
Once the time frame expires the person with the highest rank/score wins.

To break it down let us use some examples:
Everyone starts at "Rank D" and you move up for wins against other "D" people. In order to increase rank you need to beat one person thus becoming a "C -" (minus)
The ranks will go D, C-, C, C+, B-, B, B+, A-, A, A+
If a C fights a B, the B can gain some points for winning (as he/she should be able to win) but if the C wins he gets A LOT more points.
So 3/1* point ratio, 3 points for a win against an equal rank and 1 for a loss. This remains the rule as long as you play within + or - 1 of your rank. The ratio flips if you play a whole rank above or below, so 1/3. Meaning the higher ranked person has the same chance to gain for a win as he does to gain if he loses. Therefore the higher reward goes to the player that is lower.
Anything higher is a 0.5/5, you stand to gain only 0.5 points if you beat a player more than one rank below, so a C vs an A-, if the C wins he can gain 5 points and if A- wins he gains just 0.5 points.
Hopefully this makes sense. I played VGT Starcraft and we had a set up like this. All we did was submit the matches w a replay and declare win or loss and specify the player you beat or lost to. We could do it more manually with typing and screenshots to accomplish the same outcome.

[TruePlayer]

3/3 sound good more people would have chance to play. And games be alot faster. League would be nice winning tourn will get you points and top ranking teams should be rewarded. Alot people play 3/3 more so we should start with that map.

[maneatingtree]

Hey i think we should do pvp tournaments like 2 times a month for different lvl ranges starting at 1-10 then 2 weeks later is 11-15 and up till cap then restart.

[TruePlayer]

Ranking and points will give people a reason to be active in pvp and play more. Everyone wants to be known. Cleaver idea to start a real ranking system. I support your idea fire. Good luck

[CrimsonTider]

Variety is key also. In the case of CTF tourneys, not only have teams where classes are chosen by the members but have selective tourneys like mage, bear, or bird only. This would allow all classes to be more involved because, as we all know, birds and MAGES make the majority of the population.

I think gear specific games would be fun as well. For example: Host a 61-66 tourney using only Cyber sets and no vanities, or a 50-55 tourney with only Swamp gear. This would allow those who cannot afford the high end gear a chance to partcipate.

Just a few of my thoughts.... will update as my old brain spits out new ideas.

[Imsebastiaanl]

I would like to see the kills and deaths, during the game, not only kills at the end :)

[Imsebastiaanl]

I know this is not a event :/

[Ixillicus]

I think that a rating system would give people something to strive for. Either ABCDE class system or something similar to chess, where your rating is a number that goes up or down based on the result, but the amount it goes up or down is based on their rating. If you beat someone with a good rating you get more rating points than if you beat someone with a much lower rating. I think to implement this you would have to have "rated maps" and "unrated maps" so that players know they are staking some of their ranking points when they go in to such a map.

[topskillz]

(Question)
Would this be for end game players only? Because there are so many that play lower lvls?

[Imsebastiaanl]

(Question)
Would this be for end game players only? Because there are so many that play lower lvls?

True, but arena is (almost) always no FFA. Because of this, tourneys can be 1 v 1 only, or FFA but builds are not made for FFA.

[JackOak]

If you want more players to fight in PvP then you should hold 2v2 or 3v3 tournaments and let the prize be a vanity. IMO, when someone hears that the prize is a vanity they want to be a part of it and have a chance to possibly win one. Its like with the skull and crossbones shield vanity, I want one, doesn't everyone? Also, I think you should hold more than one tournament at a time on a single day limiting the levels of entry to the more active levels of PvP. ( 26, 30-35, 19-23, 10-15, 60-66, 50-56 etc..) I'm not sure what the actual group of PvP levels is for each, but you get my point. :banana::banana::banana::banana:

[Whirlzap]

I like the ranking system.

[Swords]

like once a month the devs should host a tourney for all in a certain lvl with a never before seen vanity? this way it will attract lots of attention to the monthly dev tourney and the exclusive vanity with a good prize with it.
i was thinking a tourney should not be like pvp but more intresting way.

[JackOak]

like once a month the devs should host a tourney for all in a certain lvl with a never before seen vanity? this way it will attract lots of attention to the monthly dev tourney and the exclusive vanity with a good prize with it.
i was thinking a tourney should not be like pvp but more intresting way. Almost exactly what I said.. A new vanity attracts a lot of attention.

[Aratreoybae]

Very nice ideas I am hearing here I like dtf's ranking system this would encourage people to actually play pvp to increase their rank, also give everyone a chance to start fresh, all start at D and move up. The idea of gear specific tourneys would be alot of fun as well. As for the idea of showing the deaths as well as kills would be a nice simple addition. On another note I think it was amyxrose or awwmang not sure which one, that gave the idea in an earlier post about gaining exp from pvp kills and flag captures. Now I realize that this would be hard to implement because there are those who would spawn kill to get pinks/exp or make private games with two devises and spawn themselves. It whould take alot of work but could be well worth it would be very nice not to have to lvl up/farm in dungeons as most true pvpers would not if they did not have too. Thanks for looking after us and making a great game even better. THUMBS UP FIREAD!

[Firead]

Keep the ideas coming - I love them!

I see a lot of mention of vanity items, so I'll see what can be done on that front (we do already have the Skull & Crossbones shield).



(Question)
Would this be for end game players only? Because there are so many that play lower lvls?

Ideally, we get something going for tiers of players; everyone should be able to have fun, not just the end gamers!

If you folks hold tourneys of your own (I know you do!), I'd like you to PM me a link to the thread for it, so i can see the progression, and let me know if something worked really well or just went poorly. It'll help us streamline this and coordinate with you all on prizes and the like.

Thanks for all your info, and patience!

Firéad

[Imsebastiaanl]

Very nice ideas I am hearing here I like dtf's ranking system this would encourage people to actually play pvp to increase their rank, also give everyone a chance to start fresh, all start at D and move up. The idea of gear specific tourneys would be alot of fun as well. As for the idea of showing the deaths as well as kills would be a nice simple addition. On another note I think it was amyxrose or awwmang not sure which one, that gave the idea in an earlier post about gaining exp from pvp kills and flag captures. Now I realize that this would be hard to implement because there are those who would spawn kill to get pinks/exp or make private games with two devises and spawn themselves. It whould take alot of work but could be well worth it would be very nice not to have to lvl up/farm in dungeons as most true pvpers would not if they did not have too. Thanks for looking after us and making a great game even better. THUMBS UP FIREAD!

The idea of getting xp for pvp/ctf kills was my idea ... Like 3 months ago.

[Imsebastiaanl]

For twinks: disable xp gain.
Against farmers: their have to be 4 people in a game.
My idea!!! (at suggestions) :)

[Zeus]

The idea of getting xp for pvp/ctf kills was my idea ... Like 3 months ago.

And somebody had it before that, Amy, I think? :)

[Aratreoybae]

And somebody had it before that, Amy, I think? :)

Yes I believe it was Amy, In That book on pvp she wrote.

[mejslll]

there should be more points given for flag getters... they seem to die more (at least me) or a special acknowledgement.

mej - Aaron

[Livemau]

I have read many of these ideas and here are my responces. For the 2 tourneys a month thats not enough. Especially if they will be class specific. That means I would have to wait almost a fourth of a year to play in a tourney and if I get knocked out in round one then I have to wait 3 months or more till the next one. An edit to that could be 1 tournament a month for each level group which changes every 5 lvls. So everyone can play once a month an not get bored of the game. To whoever said they wan deaths at the point screen I couldn't agree more especially for ctf because I wanna know how my kill death ratio is going. Maybe for that idea of gear specific the game would put you in a set that you get when you join and is removed when you leave. I can't afford every set and if someone says crafted 65 sanguine most people can't just buy a set and play they would have to wait for the next one. To me a ranking system sounds great but if the max level is 50 in the ranks you still can't distinguish skill because 1 level 50 may have done the minimum an the other may have billions of kills and they would look the same. A new vanity sounds like a great prize but perhaps something more simplistic would do. For example a shield with the name of the tourney name on it would be a great way to show what youve won. Maybe another page that has avatar stats could have the tourney info. XP sounds great for pvp but that would encourage cheating in ways such as boosting. Where you get 5 guys on the other team that you just kill till you max lvl and they wear no armor use no weapon etc. Then they swap having the once killer be the one who takes the shots. One thing they could do is have the prizes be the other maps because I havent bought any extra pvp material like more ctf matches. I also think that it should force balance the teams and make someone join the team that has one player rather than the team with two people on it.

All of this is imo and I am not slamming on anyones idea I respect all of your ideas but if I think I can improve them I ill try my best.
Livemau

[Imsebastiaanl]

And somebody had it before that, Amy, I think? :)

I guess mine was earlier ... Mine was like, 2-3 months ago.

[XghostzX]

We need to emphasize on in-game brackets and creating tournaments in game :)

[Imsebastiaanl]

New 3 v 3 map for CTF (free)

[Chickenrunnn]

Hey there :

After a long time of playing pvp, I've though about some content which should be added to improve PvP and CTF fun :) Here is a list of them :

A new mode of playing, such as "Keep the Ball" mode : 3-3 teams, 1 all at middle of map, the goal is to take the ball, protect the ball carryer, and the other team needs to kill him to take the ball... the ball carryer would have half damage and half speed. The match would finish at the end of 5minutes of possession.
A PvP training room, including no kills, no deaths, no level restriction (for more details follow this link :) : http://www.spacetimestudios.com/showthread.php?56571-PvP-Training-Room-THE-pvp-training-revolution-idea!&highlight=training
A button during a game, on the which you could click to see current Kills, Deaths, Scores
At the end of the game, a screen showing kills AND deaths :D
A CTF leaderboard (kills, deaths, goals)
Locked entrance of the opposite team's spawning room : it would compel Spawners and rushers to spawn kill others, and avod the kills
A new 3-3 Free CTF map, like rockwall, because 3-3 CTFers always play in the same place
A new Humania PvP or CTF room (3-3 and/or 5-5), where there could be a bath which regenerate HP and MANA such as the one in Oasis town.
Many persons wanted a Spectator mode (here is a link for more infos about it http://www.spacetimestudios.com/showthread.php?53316-IDEA!-Spectator-Mode&highlight=spectator+mode)
This idea may be refused by everyone, but items drop for PvPers in pvp and CTF to reward the best players and/or gold per kill (like 1kill=5golds); indeed, why pvp and ctf players won't be able to make money from ctf and pvp ? Afterall, PvP and CTF are another game mode, nearly same as PVe, so I think it will be a really good idea (this is a personnal idea, I think everybody's gonna disagree with it lol)


If I get more ideas, or if I get some more suggestions, in game, which come to my mind, I'll edit the post :)!

Thanks for reading ! And I hope Devs and Mods will read this and take it into account :) Don't hesitate to say if you agree or disagree with some ideas, and don't hesitate to post yours ! :D

Cya ! :D

[kaiserbear]

i found only lv51 tournament 1vs1 rockwall forts :)

[Imsebastiaanl]

Chickens ideas are great!:)

[imleya]

I say yall let me into next tourn
imleya....!! (:

[misterpotatoe]

Hey everyone! This is Misterpotatoe, here for over a month since I was banned (Zoucataga) (Kikstat) (Misterpotatoe) and my Ip address also. All this because of my brother who used my account to insult the adminastrateur imatures and full of acts in all genres and call for the solidarity of all to leave comments of support, I beg you help me.

[Whofool]

That sounds alright, but maybe every week:o would go faster.

[Ubernewber]

There needs to be more tourneys maybe a tourney with no forgotten lvl 17 all classes :/